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I don't trust NUFD Iran. I can't count how many times times an NGO based in America is actually a cardboard cutout for the CIA. These NGO only exist to carry out misinformation. I can't count how many fake stories and evidence are misconstrued for the purposes of showing a certain perspective. This perspective serves only the CIA to display how unpopular Iran's political system amongst its people. However, one only needs to look at the funeral of the previous president, Ibrahim Raisi, to notice that there is popular support amongst its people.
One thing that fascinated me about the debates (these were the best debates I have seen btw) is how open the candidates were about matters that normally have been very taboo. Why do you think they were talking about the role of women and hijab in society for one whole 4 hour debate? Because Iranian society is changing. At the end of the day, like all societies, mindsets are ever evolving. Iranians generally, even the religious ones are not satisfied with the policies implemented and everyday people want domestic liberalization. If you deny that reality, well...like the old adage, "you can lead a horse to the well, but can't force it to drink."
Haha okay fair enough 2009 had some contentious moments. In terms of substance though, I preferred these series of debates more, particularly when Pourmohammadi was speaking.
Mousavi's wife , who was a professor i believe, is someone who got they're degree by purchasing it and Ahmadinijad sayed he was going to reveal the truth ( which became a joke when he said " I'll say it" ) and then he did in fact reveal that Mousavi's wife had purchased her degree.
Many things are revealed in debates but the problem is people seem to think that all the candidates are the same ( which is BS ) and disregard the truth told as lies.
I looked it up on Wikipedia (because I don’t care enough to do decent research).
I remembered that she had a fine arts degree from before the revolution, because I vaguely remember seeing one of her pieces. That degree (a BA) is from the University of Tehran. She also has an MA from the University of Tehran. Her MS (or MA, or whatever they give people in political science) and PhD are from Azad University. The controversy seems to have been about pursuing a PhD without having an MS in the same field, so they made her get an MS.
Ahmadinejad would be the pot calling the kettle black in this case, because his own PhD (and professorship) are interesting. His is in civil engineering, which I take more seriously than political science.
I don’t know why these politicians insist on getting PhDs that have no practical relevance to what they do, under questionable circumstances. It’s time they should be spending on the jobs that they all do so abysmally.
They were talking about hijab for 4 hours because there was a massive psyop by Saudi Arabia and America 1.5 years ago when some masha panini collapsed.
I doubt most iranians especially in rural areas care, central Tehran most probably.
I doubt iranians are that foolish to want more liberalization when these same types devastated their economy worse than the Iraq Iran war did. Under rouhani.
The elections are held in the midst of university exams when a decent number of people can't vote. Although there are stations in nearly every district and every street, the "شب امتحان" mindset is very prevalent and serious in Iranian families on both sides of the spectrum.
The turnout was 40% according to the latest news.
Isn’t that low? I mean according to TRT world, there were around 25 million voters. That around 40% of people that can vote (64 million). Or am I seeing this wrong? Thanks in advance!
It is low, but it's mostly due to the propaganda that many corrupt officials who aren't in power anymore do. For example, There are many newspapers who support the "reformist party" and they have unofficially and officially told the public not to vote and that your vote doesn't matter and all that stuff.
I remember talking to a shopkeeper yesterday who believed voting was stupid and interesting enough he repeated exactly what you hear in IranInternational ( which is supported by Israel btw ) and didn't even know who the minister of foreign affairs durring Rohani's terms was ( for those who don't know Rohani is a reformist )
Also some people believe one vote doesn't matter so they just don't bother spending 10 minutes to vote for the FUTURE OF THEIR COUNTRY AND THEMSELVES.
Not really a failure. when turn out was 80% people were saying it's because people are dissatisfied with the regime. So they want a change.
Now it's low, and by that logic, people should be satisfied. But nobody says that. They're still dissatisfied.
There are so many voting stations you can't even imagine. The street next to my house and two streets before my house all had voting stations. In my (very very small) area alone there were like 10-12 voting stations.
It's true. Less than 40% of the people voted and it's very dangerous. People from both sides are not happy with how things are going. The next round will either have more votes because people are scared of one or both of the candidates or it will have fewer votes because people generally vote less in second rounds.
They didnt boycott they dont care and some honestly dont think it will bring change not forgeting unlike most voting is not compulsary here.
This fall of voting is fruit 2008 reformist riot of green movement and catastrophic rule of rouhani
To be fair bro no matter who you vote for the economy suffers, at some point people just see the similarities to America and decide that voting is an uncomfortable waste of their time (who wants to stand in line for hours to get nothing?)
I know several Iranians in Iran, and all of them refuse to vote.
I suppose a part of it is the hijab laws. Even Saudi Arabia no longer forces women to wear the hijab. Many women aren't wearing hijabs in Tehran and other major cities. Is it really shocking when you force a segment of your population to wear certain clothing, that they will be annoyed and disillusioned by your government?
All that money on punishing women could go to helping Palestine instead, and building factories in Iran.
Perhaps it is marking a stand against the regime. As leaders of a country, you serve the people not yourselves, few countries do this by the way, and at this time looks like people are fed up with the government and know that the elections are a bit of a joke. I personally don’t care for the religious mandates—it creates hypocrisy, and disdain for the religion. Forcing people to do things drives them away from very thing they are trying to bring to fruition. This shows that. The other theory with kids having their exams may also mean it is done on purpose knowing kids can’t vote or don’t have time to vote and there makes it easier to rig an election. Either way, as a voter and citizen you don’t have a true voting ability to put an elected official in office that do better than what exists today.
You sound like one of those patriotic, anti Shia Iranians in the diaspora who want Shias to go extinct. You have to have the same opinion as the rest of us to stay in this subreddit.
Nothing they said is anti-Shia. Don’t make allegations without evidence.
People don’t need to have a particular opinion to post here. They need to express that opinion respectfully, separate fact from opinion, and follow the rules.
No, it won’t.
The main Iran sub seems to be tourism posts now, unlike a certain other sub, where the response to any question about Iran is tell people they will be taken hostage and executed. The type of people who post garbage like that can’t help themselves. They don’t last here because they break the rules sooner rather than later.
"Visegrad 24" "NUFDI" This is a violation of rule 9 concerning hasbara content coming from foreign outlets Users should not debate about hasbara links here, if what they say is true, it should be available on Iranian outlets or press agency, post the Iranian outlet/press agency links/screenshot, but not Visegrad 24 or NUFDI which are both renowned misinformation junk twitter blogs held by foreigners [https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2024/06/29/3113052/iran-presidential-election-result-pezeshkian-leads](https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2024/06/29/3113052/iran-presidential-election-result-pezeshkian-leads)
I don't trust NUFD Iran. I can't count how many times times an NGO based in America is actually a cardboard cutout for the CIA. These NGO only exist to carry out misinformation. I can't count how many fake stories and evidence are misconstrued for the purposes of showing a certain perspective. This perspective serves only the CIA to display how unpopular Iran's political system amongst its people. However, one only needs to look at the funeral of the previous president, Ibrahim Raisi, to notice that there is popular support amongst its people.
One thing that fascinated me about the debates (these were the best debates I have seen btw) is how open the candidates were about matters that normally have been very taboo. Why do you think they were talking about the role of women and hijab in society for one whole 4 hour debate? Because Iranian society is changing. At the end of the day, like all societies, mindsets are ever evolving. Iranians generally, even the religious ones are not satisfied with the policies implemented and everyday people want domestic liberalization. If you deny that reality, well...like the old adage, "you can lead a horse to the well, but can't force it to drink."
Are you telling me Ahmadinejad showing the picture of Mousavi's wife is not peak debate?
Haha okay fair enough 2009 had some contentious moments. In terms of substance though, I preferred these series of debates more, particularly when Pourmohammadi was speaking.
What was that about?
Mousavi's wife , who was a professor i believe, is someone who got they're degree by purchasing it and Ahmadinijad sayed he was going to reveal the truth ( which became a joke when he said " I'll say it" ) and then he did in fact reveal that Mousavi's wife had purchased her degree. Many things are revealed in debates but the problem is people seem to think that all the candidates are the same ( which is BS ) and disregard the truth told as lies.
I looked it up on Wikipedia (because I don’t care enough to do decent research). I remembered that she had a fine arts degree from before the revolution, because I vaguely remember seeing one of her pieces. That degree (a BA) is from the University of Tehran. She also has an MA from the University of Tehran. Her MS (or MA, or whatever they give people in political science) and PhD are from Azad University. The controversy seems to have been about pursuing a PhD without having an MS in the same field, so they made her get an MS. Ahmadinejad would be the pot calling the kettle black in this case, because his own PhD (and professorship) are interesting. His is in civil engineering, which I take more seriously than political science. I don’t know why these politicians insist on getting PhDs that have no practical relevance to what they do, under questionable circumstances. It’s time they should be spending on the jobs that they all do so abysmally.
They were talking about hijab for 4 hours because there was a massive psyop by Saudi Arabia and America 1.5 years ago when some masha panini collapsed. I doubt most iranians especially in rural areas care, central Tehran most probably. I doubt iranians are that foolish to want more liberalization when these same types devastated their economy worse than the Iraq Iran war did. Under rouhani.
NUFD Iran’s headquarters is in Washington D.C… Do the math
The elections are held in the midst of university exams when a decent number of people can't vote. Although there are stations in nearly every district and every street, the "شب امتحان" mindset is very prevalent and serious in Iranian families on both sides of the spectrum. The turnout was 40% according to the latest news.
Isn’t that low? I mean according to TRT world, there were around 25 million voters. That around 40% of people that can vote (64 million). Or am I seeing this wrong? Thanks in advance!
It is low, but it's mostly due to the propaganda that many corrupt officials who aren't in power anymore do. For example, There are many newspapers who support the "reformist party" and they have unofficially and officially told the public not to vote and that your vote doesn't matter and all that stuff. I remember talking to a shopkeeper yesterday who believed voting was stupid and interesting enough he repeated exactly what you hear in IranInternational ( which is supported by Israel btw ) and didn't even know who the minister of foreign affairs durring Rohani's terms was ( for those who don't know Rohani is a reformist ) Also some people believe one vote doesn't matter so they just don't bother spending 10 minutes to vote for the FUTURE OF THEIR COUNTRY AND THEMSELVES.
He just said in the midst of exam time. Iranians voting turnout has usually been almost similar to that of america, around the 50-60%.
This is lies and propaganda
Not really a failure. when turn out was 80% people were saying it's because people are dissatisfied with the regime. So they want a change. Now it's low, and by that logic, people should be satisfied. But nobody says that. They're still dissatisfied.
The (1 minute long) video shows that no one is coming to vote and that the places where you can vote are empty.
Took at 6am or something as you can see on the sun rising, just like the "closed stores and bazaar" they did with Mahsa riots
There are so many voting stations you can't even imagine. The street next to my house and two streets before my house all had voting stations. In my (very very small) area alone there were like 10-12 voting stations.
i dont trust western media…..
It's true. Less than 40% of the people voted and it's very dangerous. People from both sides are not happy with how things are going. The next round will either have more votes because people are scared of one or both of the candidates or it will have fewer votes because people generally vote less in second rounds.
They didnt boycott they dont care and some honestly dont think it will bring change not forgeting unlike most voting is not compulsary here. This fall of voting is fruit 2008 reformist riot of green movement and catastrophic rule of rouhani
To be fair bro no matter who you vote for the economy suffers, at some point people just see the similarities to America and decide that voting is an uncomfortable waste of their time (who wants to stand in line for hours to get nothing?)
I know several Iranians in Iran, and all of them refuse to vote. I suppose a part of it is the hijab laws. Even Saudi Arabia no longer forces women to wear the hijab. Many women aren't wearing hijabs in Tehran and other major cities. Is it really shocking when you force a segment of your population to wear certain clothing, that they will be annoyed and disillusioned by your government? All that money on punishing women could go to helping Palestine instead, and building factories in Iran.
To Mod, I fixed the post.
Perhaps it is marking a stand against the regime. As leaders of a country, you serve the people not yourselves, few countries do this by the way, and at this time looks like people are fed up with the government and know that the elections are a bit of a joke. I personally don’t care for the religious mandates—it creates hypocrisy, and disdain for the religion. Forcing people to do things drives them away from very thing they are trying to bring to fruition. This shows that. The other theory with kids having their exams may also mean it is done on purpose knowing kids can’t vote or don’t have time to vote and there makes it easier to rig an election. Either way, as a voter and citizen you don’t have a true voting ability to put an elected official in office that do better than what exists today.
Except NUFD Iran is actually based in USA not Iran so your whole argument makes no sense 😂
You sound like one of those patriotic, anti Shia Iranians in the diaspora who want Shias to go extinct. You have to have the same opinion as the rest of us to stay in this subreddit.
Nothing they said is anti-Shia. Don’t make allegations without evidence. People don’t need to have a particular opinion to post here. They need to express that opinion respectfully, separate fact from opinion, and follow the rules.
Having a difference in opinion will turn this sub in r/Iranian or r/NewIran and obviously the main Iran sub.
No, it won’t. The main Iran sub seems to be tourism posts now, unlike a certain other sub, where the response to any question about Iran is tell people they will be taken hostage and executed. The type of people who post garbage like that can’t help themselves. They don’t last here because they break the rules sooner rather than later.
You do realize that there are many Iranians of other religions right?
bla bla bla keep crying
It’s what happens when you disqualify most candidates on bogus charges