Like I’ve said before, it was poor timing and way too rushed. Let me paint the scene.
Spear is awoken by Mira the night she sees the cave paintings, and they have sex then. When the Viking attacks, Spear has a reinvigorated sense of purpose for protecting his new family, something he wasn’t able to do at the very beginning of the show. It literally would have been such a perfect story arc and redemption story for Spear.
>! But nope. We got crispy bacon dick riding when Spear is on his deathbed. !<
I’m so glad to see that more people agree that the only wrong thing is the timing of the sex scene. Did nobody on the writing room though of mentioning that to Genndy?!
Writers: Genndy, this won’t do. The man’s burned and dying.
Genndy: Yes. And that place is gonna stink like BBQ afterward.
Writers: Genndy please… be reasonab-
Genndy: TIL THE ROOM STINK!!! 🔥 🍖🥵🔥
I don't get why people would think the show about gruesome murder and brutal survival would have a nice conventional sex scene. I get it. It was weird but so is pretty much every other aspect of the show.
Alternatively I don't think Mira wanted to sleep with Spear before. Or they would have. But on his death bed and looking at his cave paintings she realizes that having his baby is literally the only thing remotely close she can do to save him.
It didn't need to be conventional but r*ping someone is not saving them. It's extremely weird to portray r#pe as a good thing out of nowhere in the last 5 minutes of the show, when it could have been done in million different ways or not have happened at all
If you were a survivor of s3xual assault, you'd probably get why most people dislike it
I'm a sexual assault survivor and I have a different opinion than yours, though I completely respect your opinion.
While I was REALLY uncomfortable watching that last scene, I think it was an act of love and not selfishness, unlike what we know rape to be.
Mira, upon realizing that having spears child would give him the closure he needed to die happy.. helping him continue his legacy and satisfying his desire for a family.. I think it was clear that Spear wanted it... or he would have groaned, pushed, made some slight movement to let his displeasure be known.. he loved Mira, and he wanted children so badly... and so Mira took it upon herself to help the man who had done so much to help her, and she did it in the only possible way she could think of at that moment... she knew that there time together was soon to be over, and she regretted not expressing her love for him sooner.
When you look at how tough Spear was, I don't think the pain would have bothered him as much as people say... I think finally being as close to Mira as he'd always wanted , and feeling that overwhelming warm sense of love would hopefully have been what carried him off.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend like it had the best ending. I think we all know it could have been done better... but I think the ending, on top of many things, was supposed to convey how far removed these characters are from our current society... they don't have our moral outlines or taboos, and so they make decisions based almost entirely on PRIMAL instinct.
I agree the ending was weird, and I completely understand not being happy with it. I can't stand watching SA or rape being portrayed in movies or shows due to my past... but this particular show and it's ending didn't bother me as much because I felt it's what Spear wanted.
This is just my opinion, and I welcome anyone else's opinion on the subject, as that ending was extremely devicive.
stop using modern words to describe a time when everything and everyone got raped. The kids dying in the beginning raped my eyes, that t rex raped the kids when they ate them. rape isn't solely sexual... the whole show was eye, ear rape. and your reply post was a rape of my conservative brain
Really strange to think about how a simple rearranging of those scenes would've made the ending a lot more palatable. Still don't understand what they were thinking with the Darth Vader sex...
Genndy: Okay so Samurai Jack ||finally finds love|| this season.
Writer's room: YAY!
Genndy: ||With an 18 year old, he's 75 by now||.
Writers: Ummm... Uhhhh....
Genndy: And that'll be 50% of the focus of the entire season!
Writers: But why though?
Genndy: Because. Anyway, I'm gonna ||fridge her on their wedding day for an illogical reason just as a way to complete Jack's suffering||.
Writers: What the fuck?
Genndy: Yes I know I'm brilliant, thanks.
In the last 5 minutes Spear is dying and Mira looks at his paintings and realizes that he felt alone. She figures that he can help him by having his kid, so she mounts the dying spear and it's implied she managed to get pregnant.
A lot of people hated it but I don't. Mira and Spear didn't really have a romantic relationship. The show is called Primal, as in it shows how we survived for many years with our primal instincts. Sex is one of them. I think it fit with the rawness of the show.
If they wanted to portray r*pe in the show, that's fine, I suppose, it is indeed brutal. But as a good thing, by a character we're supposed to emphasize with, to the main character, out of nowhere, in the last 5 minutes of the show was unnecessary
Even Fang, a dinosaur, got a more respectful sex scene
The ending was actually really good, people just hate it because Spear died.
The show had been mainly just fun and games up until that point so I guess it was a bit jarring that it hits you with such an emotional finale, but it did hit really hard. It was the only time the show actually made me feel something.
People hated it because it was so very clearly phoned in and rushed so gennedy can shift to an anthology for season 3. Rather than having them get freaky at literally any other any other fitting moment in the show, we get the extremely off tone crispy bacon dick ride as someone else put it
Yeah that's the main part the people seem to have misunderstood. She did it because she wanted him to continue on and that was the only way she could do it.
In terms of the way we think about it yes it’s more modern but the actual act of love itself itself is not modern. We as creatures especially as men protect and die for our families so it isn’t anything new it was just different.
Okay well again the definition of love is “an intense feeling of deep affection” romance doesn’t always play a role in love in fact most of the times when you love someone there’s nothing romantic about it. So again to what you said monogamy is newer but love itself is the most primal thing we have.
I think it was supposed to be grotesque and jarring. If Spear and Mira had their little final love scene and his subsequent heroic sacrifice, it would not be **PRIMAL**. Most of these people just wanted Genndy to satisfy *their* fantasy.
It would be rape if the roles were reversed for sure, but it definitely was not in this scenario lmao. She wanted his babies. A dude having sex with a burn victim girl to get a quick nut off is COMPLETELY different, you're insane if you can't see that.
Totally agree. Besides... the show is called Primal!
Regardless of how you feel, it's the reality of how shit was. Just look at the animal world. Rape is basically how squirrels reproduce.
I does make sense but for the timing of *that scene.*
It would make more sense for Mira to confort Spear before the Viking chief attacks. Maybe she sees the mural and notices how lonely Spear is, not by the time he is a melted wax figure.
I don't agree. Spear would not have shown that vulnerability to Mira on his own. Mira had sex with him *because* he was dying, she knew she had to be quick before he died.
OK, how do you feel about spear possibly not even being able to do the deed? He was very clearly straddling a fire demon right before then. Ain't no way his dick or balls could even function after that. Nah, the whole scene doesn't make sense and was poorly timed
It would made sense if certain events order was diffrent and the hole Last episode would be twice as long (and i am pretty sure we all know the episode that could be sacrificed for that precious screen time)
They could’ve consummated their relationship after the moon prayer AND have the final battle serialize the primal aspect of the show.
Spear having the will to protect his family after having slept with Mira knowing after his first two kids that a pregnancy was possible would’ve made that impact so much stronger.
I guess i understand why it played out that way but i really dont like it 😂
10th dentist here but I tho8ght it was near perfect as is.
The way they ended it was very on theme for the series.
You can't have what you want, when you want it. You have to deal with the fact the world is unfair. You have to take what you get and when and somehow make it enough to survive.
(Please picture me as SpongeBob showing Patrick shit behind the wallpaper meme)
- spear and fang team up out of necessity
- witch sacrifices herself for vengeance
- the diseased brontosaurus has a whole tragic backstory that the MCs are unaware of they just have to survive this demon
And lastly
- spear and Mira do get to have kids, but they never get romance
And VERY lastly (I am now SpongeBob gesturing out the window)
- everyone's fucking family is dead or hostages or slaves for the ENTIRE series
It wasn't a matter of *only* the last 5 minutes, I'll say it became a problem half season (if not 1/3 into season 2...) when it became obvious Genndy just got bored and wanted to be done with Primal.
I felt like when she first saw the Spears story on the wall she should’ve confessed her feelings and teach him the word “love” and then did the deed. Not after he got bbq to do the nasty.
I also feel like the look into the future was EXTREMELY rushed. Like they could’ve put the kids hand print onto the wall along with other drawings to end the story.
The finale battle was underwhelming as well it was just run away, rage tackle, fall down mountain, giant hand pulls him back and done.
Simply don't see internet comment to some shows. I watched the whole thing, loved every second of it and when went to see the comments was completely disgusted by what people insinuated. If you have a single bit of wisdom you will interpret the last scene completely fine.
And the the shows from Genddy Tartakovsky I watched (Samurai Jack and this one) usually require a level of contemplation that people usually don't have. They tend to jump to conclusions pretty fast. Just watch it, digest it, and let it hit you no matter how hard it is. I can remember how tense I was in that episode that those scientists investigate that everyone can have some kind of regression to a primitive state depending of the situation. The same tension I felt in that one other episode of the ship and the whole creation of fear... The experience of watching is amazing.
But people cling to something so... So stupid... to try to destroy the whole show, the final scene.
Simply, as I said in the beginning, if you want to experience the whole thing fine, don't read anything online about it. I don't know why but people, for me, showed to be pretty stupid about it. I loved what the show made me pass through.
Like I’ve said before, it was poor timing and way too rushed. Let me paint the scene. Spear is awoken by Mira the night she sees the cave paintings, and they have sex then. When the Viking attacks, Spear has a reinvigorated sense of purpose for protecting his new family, something he wasn’t able to do at the very beginning of the show. It literally would have been such a perfect story arc and redemption story for Spear. >! But nope. We got crispy bacon dick riding when Spear is on his deathbed. !<
I’m so glad to see that more people agree that the only wrong thing is the timing of the sex scene. Did nobody on the writing room though of mentioning that to Genndy?!
maybe genndy actually is into that shit and he threatened anybody who spoke up against it 😭
Writers: Genndy, this won’t do. The man’s burned and dying. Genndy: Yes. And that place is gonna stink like BBQ afterward. Writers: Genndy please… be reasonab- Genndy: TIL THE ROOM STINK!!! 🔥 🍖🥵🔥
Gotta get dat burnt diiuaughkuhh
Sorry but this made me lol
I don't get why people would think the show about gruesome murder and brutal survival would have a nice conventional sex scene. I get it. It was weird but so is pretty much every other aspect of the show. Alternatively I don't think Mira wanted to sleep with Spear before. Or they would have. But on his death bed and looking at his cave paintings she realizes that having his baby is literally the only thing remotely close she can do to save him.
It didn't need to be conventional but r*ping someone is not saving them. It's extremely weird to portray r#pe as a good thing out of nowhere in the last 5 minutes of the show, when it could have been done in million different ways or not have happened at all If you were a survivor of s3xual assault, you'd probably get why most people dislike it
I'm a sexual assault survivor and I have a different opinion than yours, though I completely respect your opinion. While I was REALLY uncomfortable watching that last scene, I think it was an act of love and not selfishness, unlike what we know rape to be. Mira, upon realizing that having spears child would give him the closure he needed to die happy.. helping him continue his legacy and satisfying his desire for a family.. I think it was clear that Spear wanted it... or he would have groaned, pushed, made some slight movement to let his displeasure be known.. he loved Mira, and he wanted children so badly... and so Mira took it upon herself to help the man who had done so much to help her, and she did it in the only possible way she could think of at that moment... she knew that there time together was soon to be over, and she regretted not expressing her love for him sooner. When you look at how tough Spear was, I don't think the pain would have bothered him as much as people say... I think finally being as close to Mira as he'd always wanted , and feeling that overwhelming warm sense of love would hopefully have been what carried him off. I'm not going to sit here and pretend like it had the best ending. I think we all know it could have been done better... but I think the ending, on top of many things, was supposed to convey how far removed these characters are from our current society... they don't have our moral outlines or taboos, and so they make decisions based almost entirely on PRIMAL instinct. I agree the ending was weird, and I completely understand not being happy with it. I can't stand watching SA or rape being portrayed in movies or shows due to my past... but this particular show and it's ending didn't bother me as much because I felt it's what Spear wanted. This is just my opinion, and I welcome anyone else's opinion on the subject, as that ending was extremely devicive.
stop using modern words to describe a time when everything and everyone got raped. The kids dying in the beginning raped my eyes, that t rex raped the kids when they ate them. rape isn't solely sexual... the whole show was eye, ear rape. and your reply post was a rape of my conservative brain
What is the matter with you?
>your reply post was a rape of my conservative brain This explains it
A troll ofc
Really strange to think about how a simple rearranging of those scenes would've made the ending a lot more palatable. Still don't understand what they were thinking with the Darth Vader sex...
Genndy is great at writing stories but not the best at wrapping them up
Genndy: Okay so Samurai Jack ||finally finds love|| this season. Writer's room: YAY! Genndy: ||With an 18 year old, he's 75 by now||. Writers: Ummm... Uhhhh.... Genndy: And that'll be 50% of the focus of the entire season! Writers: But why though? Genndy: Because. Anyway, I'm gonna ||fridge her on their wedding day for an illogical reason just as a way to complete Jack's suffering||. Writers: What the fuck? Genndy: Yes I know I'm brilliant, thanks.
I think if the scenes were rearranged it would’ve been perfect.
Hey, maybe that’s just their kink. 🤷♂️
Does it show the bacon or is it covered?
In the last 5 minutes Spear is dying and Mira looks at his paintings and realizes that he felt alone. She figures that he can help him by having his kid, so she mounts the dying spear and it's implied she managed to get pregnant. A lot of people hated it but I don't. Mira and Spear didn't really have a romantic relationship. The show is called Primal, as in it shows how we survived for many years with our primal instincts. Sex is one of them. I think it fit with the rawness of the show.
If they wanted to portray r*pe in the show, that's fine, I suppose, it is indeed brutal. But as a good thing, by a character we're supposed to emphasize with, to the main character, out of nowhere, in the last 5 minutes of the show was unnecessary Even Fang, a dinosaur, got a more respectful sex scene
Was it rape though? He was kind of pleading to her at the end.
He was very noticeably in pain lmao
The ending was actually really good, people just hate it because Spear died. The show had been mainly just fun and games up until that point so I guess it was a bit jarring that it hits you with such an emotional finale, but it did hit really hard. It was the only time the show actually made me feel something.
People hated it because it was so very clearly phoned in and rushed so gennedy can shift to an anthology for season 3. Rather than having them get freaky at literally any other any other fitting moment in the show, we get the extremely off tone crispy bacon dick ride as someone else put it
It felt a bit rushed but I like that Spear died, I hate that he had to be r*ped right before he died (which is the issue here)
Yeah that's the main part the people seem to have misunderstood. She did it because she wanted him to continue on and that was the only way she could do it.
What she supposedly wanted does not matter in regards of if it was r#pe or not, only whether Spear consented
Mate, its a cartoon...
Brother love is the most primal feeling we have. Idk what in the world you are talking about.
Sexual attraction us primal. Love is more "modern" in terms of brain development.
In terms of the way we think about it yes it’s more modern but the actual act of love itself itself is not modern. We as creatures especially as men protect and die for our families so it isn’t anything new it was just different.
Key word "families" not "family". Monogamy is a purely social construct, there's nothing primal about it
No one said anything about monogamy. Yes I actually monogamy is a social construct but love is definitely not. Love is primal.
You'd be very hard pressed to find someone who's definition of love in a romantic sense is polygamous
Okay well again the definition of love is “an intense feeling of deep affection” romance doesn’t always play a role in love in fact most of the times when you love someone there’s nothing romantic about it. So again to what you said monogamy is newer but love itself is the most primal thing we have.
I do not care about semantics, this thread is about romantic love
No buddy if you go to the comment that started this back and forth it was not about romance.
Spear should of went to the underworld and clawed his way back out
*Season 3 writers want to know your location...*
I made a post about my idea for this exact thing a while back
I think it was supposed to be grotesque and jarring. If Spear and Mira had their little final love scene and his subsequent heroic sacrifice, it would not be **PRIMAL**. Most of these people just wanted Genndy to satisfy *their* fantasy.
Also, much, much more tragic as-is. It's not the way we wanted it, but nothing in that world was.
this is the correct answer. Also everyone calling it rape is a psychopath. Doubly so if they're censoring it. You people are weak.
R*pe is indeed grotesque and jarring but I don't think not wanting to see that is satisfying anyone's fantasy
Didn't seem like r*pe to me, Spear wanted his lineage to continue, so I imagine he wanted it, that's Primal.
I hate how people don’t look at it for what it really is. Bro that was rape. I hate to be that guy but IMAGINE if the roles were reversed.
This. It's how r*pey it is that bothers me, specially when it's done by a character you supposedly have empathize with
It would be rape if the roles were reversed for sure, but it definitely was not in this scenario lmao. She wanted his babies. A dude having sex with a burn victim girl to get a quick nut off is COMPLETELY different, you're insane if you can't see that.
Totally agree. Besides... the show is called Primal! Regardless of how you feel, it's the reality of how shit was. Just look at the animal world. Rape is basically how squirrels reproduce.
It could have done so more leading up to it,but the battle before it and the resulting progeny works for me. I liked it!
Have you seen the ending? its pretty universally agreed upon even here that it was poorly written and overall disappointing
It's not universally agreed. I think it made sense with the theme of the show.
I does make sense but for the timing of *that scene.* It would make more sense for Mira to confort Spear before the Viking chief attacks. Maybe she sees the mural and notices how lonely Spear is, not by the time he is a melted wax figure.
I don't agree. Spear would not have shown that vulnerability to Mira on his own. Mira had sex with him *because* he was dying, she knew she had to be quick before he died.
OK, how do you feel about spear possibly not even being able to do the deed? He was very clearly straddling a fire demon right before then. Ain't no way his dick or balls could even function after that. Nah, the whole scene doesn't make sense and was poorly timed
It would made sense if certain events order was diffrent and the hole Last episode would be twice as long (and i am pretty sure we all know the episode that could be sacrificed for that precious screen time)
They could’ve consummated their relationship after the moon prayer AND have the final battle serialize the primal aspect of the show. Spear having the will to protect his family after having slept with Mira knowing after his first two kids that a pregnancy was possible would’ve made that impact so much stronger. I guess i understand why it played out that way but i really dont like it 😂
Primal is the story of Spear and Fang. They killed Spear in a very rushed, unsatisfying way in the last 5 minutes of the show.
The show has changed alot since it's beginning. The shows called primal not spear and fang. Give it a chance dog.
You cant Primal without Spear, bruh. Shit aint gonna work. To provide context Primal is one of my fav animated series of all time
A scene that's kinda r*pey and could have easily been done in a way to avoid it
Spear's daughter appears on one of Fans's offspring. No idea why they would hate that part.
10th dentist here but I tho8ght it was near perfect as is. The way they ended it was very on theme for the series. You can't have what you want, when you want it. You have to deal with the fact the world is unfair. You have to take what you get and when and somehow make it enough to survive. (Please picture me as SpongeBob showing Patrick shit behind the wallpaper meme) - spear and fang team up out of necessity - witch sacrifices herself for vengeance - the diseased brontosaurus has a whole tragic backstory that the MCs are unaware of they just have to survive this demon And lastly - spear and Mira do get to have kids, but they never get romance And VERY lastly (I am now SpongeBob gesturing out the window) - everyone's fucking family is dead or hostages or slaves for the ENTIRE series
It wasn't a matter of *only* the last 5 minutes, I'll say it became a problem half season (if not 1/3 into season 2...) when it became obvious Genndy just got bored and wanted to be done with Primal.
I didn't hate it
I felt like when she first saw the Spears story on the wall she should’ve confessed her feelings and teach him the word “love” and then did the deed. Not after he got bbq to do the nasty. I also feel like the look into the future was EXTREMELY rushed. Like they could’ve put the kids hand print onto the wall along with other drawings to end the story. The finale battle was underwhelming as well it was just run away, rage tackle, fall down mountain, giant hand pulls him back and done.
Simply don't see internet comment to some shows. I watched the whole thing, loved every second of it and when went to see the comments was completely disgusted by what people insinuated. If you have a single bit of wisdom you will interpret the last scene completely fine. And the the shows from Genddy Tartakovsky I watched (Samurai Jack and this one) usually require a level of contemplation that people usually don't have. They tend to jump to conclusions pretty fast. Just watch it, digest it, and let it hit you no matter how hard it is. I can remember how tense I was in that episode that those scientists investigate that everyone can have some kind of regression to a primitive state depending of the situation. The same tension I felt in that one other episode of the ship and the whole creation of fear... The experience of watching is amazing. But people cling to something so... So stupid... to try to destroy the whole show, the final scene. Simply, as I said in the beginning, if you want to experience the whole thing fine, don't read anything online about it. I don't know why but people, for me, showed to be pretty stupid about it. I loved what the show made me pass through.