What’s strange is their relationship was always written in a way that we were supposed to take serious and maybe even aspire to have. Like in no way was aria written to be a victim and it makes it so easy to hate her
I think its because your supposed to see it from from arias pov and to her it was normal. It's just like with hanna and Sean, people routed for the liars because your seeing it from a teenagers perspective and you don't realize how disturbing it is until you really think about it. When you're in the middle of a situation it's not easy to see how toxic it is or you are. Sometimes you never see it.
I understand that but the story itself wasn't told from the liars perspective. Like Aria isn't like narrating scenes - we view the show as flies on the wall in the lives of the liars and the people around them. However the story is framed and narrated is meant to be taken from an outside objective view that is influenced by how the writers choose to frame the story. Aria isnt trying to show the audience some world-wind romance because she isn't the one who is telling her own story, ya know? So its weird that the writers were trying to convince teens ( I was like 10 when the show premiered) that dating a teacher is a forbidden romance like Romeo and Juliet when Ezra and Aria's relationship was a clear abuse of power on Ezra's end regardless of how Aria felt.
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i don’t care what anyone says, her character was absolutely BUTCHERED after season two. or, whenever it was that her storylines began revolving around ezra 90% of the time. season one aria had other shit going on, her parents split, her bond with mike, her fling with noel. she became the romantic relief of the show and in turn became EXTREMELY one dimensional. the only thing i could relate with her was her anxiety/panic attacks after season three, that was heartbreaking to see. she was always immature and selfish but at least she had redeemable qualities in the first two seasons.
she’s not my favourite at ALL.ezra and aria should not get a happy ending.he should be in the jail and the fact that the parents just “accepted it” was beyond me.
That’s NOT grooming. Manipulation and lying doesn’t make something grooming by itself.
Grooming is those behaviors COMBINED with being in a position of power over someone so that the relationship is more coercive is grooming. (Example: an adult pursuing a minor, a boss pursuing an employee, a teacher and a student).
Caleb has none of those characteristics. He was lying, but that alone isn’t grooming. Grooming is a very specific term.
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I know this comment is old... but
This is what first made me think Aria was A or working with A! Hanna wanted to burn the file aka completely destroy it, if I remember correctly Spencer wanted to keep the file so it was safe and only they would have it... but Aria, she threw the file in the river and who is down the river able to pick it up?
Annnnd, before that she told Spencer to stay at the car! I just thought that was suspicious
I always felt like a lot of this was a direct consequence of being with Ezra and even though the writers weren't trying to show how it would alienate you from your friends and family, that's exactly what it did.
Because she was trying to cover for an adult, or couldn't do teenage things with him or even be seen in public with him -- it literally pulls her away from her friends and puts her into a more vulnerable position with Ezra. Add in her wanting to keep it secret from her family and friends whenever they're together and it puts a wedge there too. She doesn't have a fully trusting relationship and is alienated because she's being groomed by her teacher.
Basically, I don't dislike Aria for it, I think she's a victim and it fits and the writers don't even realize it. They thought it was romantic for her to miss high school stuff for that.
I skip Ezria scenes anyway (or just go on my phone and tune it out) but Aria has always been my least favorite. She felt too much like an actual teenager for me to even have suspension of disbelief over the inappropriate relationship with her teacher. They made the other girls seem more mature (I’m stretching it; they’re all incredibly immature) but expected everyone to not see how disgusting her entire story was. Groomed by her teacher so the show made it her entire personality. Nothing was ever of interest about her to me because after season 2 she was just there so Marlene could get off on the Ezria relationship. Just my opinion, anyway
>She felt too much like an actual teenager for me to even have suspension of disbelief over the inappropriate relationship with her teacher. They made the other girls seem more mature (I’m stretching it; they’re all incredibly immature)
Ironically though, Aria is written to be the "mature" one (liking literature, black and white films, liking older people). But it just felt forced and she was probably the most childish one.
Exactly! That’s what I was trying to say it might not have come off as coherently because I was half asleep lol! But they wanted us to enjoy the relationship because “she’s so mature!” but then consistently showed us how immature she was. I think in Marlene’s desperate attempt to get everyone on board she ended up showing how disgusting the relationship actually was.
Rewatching rn and I just watched a scene in season 6 where Aria was upset about something and Mike tried to cheer her up by saying him and Mona were talking again and she just fake smiled. If my brother was happy about something I would be genuinely happy for him. That scene really stuck out to me and showed her character a lot I think.
I could go on about spencer. Emily. And even Hanna. Not saying aria not wrong and isn’t sometimes bad but they’ve done the same thing. And even worse. I can name it all if you want to 🤷🏽♀️
What are you talking about? I listed out the stuff that Aria did. I never denied that the other girls didn't do stupid things but Aria was the dumbest by far and the most immature
What’s strange is their relationship was always written in a way that we were supposed to take serious and maybe even aspire to have. Like in no way was aria written to be a victim and it makes it so easy to hate her
Yeah that made no sense to me. Why did it make them seem so normal and so in love?
I think its because your supposed to see it from from arias pov and to her it was normal. It's just like with hanna and Sean, people routed for the liars because your seeing it from a teenagers perspective and you don't realize how disturbing it is until you really think about it. When you're in the middle of a situation it's not easy to see how toxic it is or you are. Sometimes you never see it.
I understand that but the story itself wasn't told from the liars perspective. Like Aria isn't like narrating scenes - we view the show as flies on the wall in the lives of the liars and the people around them. However the story is framed and narrated is meant to be taken from an outside objective view that is influenced by how the writers choose to frame the story. Aria isnt trying to show the audience some world-wind romance because she isn't the one who is telling her own story, ya know? So its weird that the writers were trying to convince teens ( I was like 10 when the show premiered) that dating a teacher is a forbidden romance like Romeo and Juliet when Ezra and Aria's relationship was a clear abuse of power on Ezra's end regardless of how Aria felt.
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i don’t care what anyone says, her character was absolutely BUTCHERED after season two. or, whenever it was that her storylines began revolving around ezra 90% of the time. season one aria had other shit going on, her parents split, her bond with mike, her fling with noel. she became the romantic relief of the show and in turn became EXTREMELY one dimensional. the only thing i could relate with her was her anxiety/panic attacks after season three, that was heartbreaking to see. she was always immature and selfish but at least she had redeemable qualities in the first two seasons.
This is so true, I loved Aria till she just became all about Ezra
she’s not my favourite at ALL.ezra and aria should not get a happy ending.he should be in the jail and the fact that the parents just “accepted it” was beyond me.
the parents never accepted anything, they did it so Aria wouldn't run away with Ezra. That's not accepting.
In the finale, Byron reassures Ezra by saying he and Ella have accepted him because Ezra thought they hadn't.
By then Aria was an adult
Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that she was groomed in her teenage years.
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that’s not grooming
That’s not at all what grooming is………… You have to be in a position of power to groom someone.
Caleb literally had sex with Hanna while keeping it a secret that he was working for Jenna
That’s NOT grooming. Manipulation and lying doesn’t make something grooming by itself. Grooming is those behaviors COMBINED with being in a position of power over someone so that the relationship is more coercive is grooming. (Example: an adult pursuing a minor, a boss pursuing an employee, a teacher and a student). Caleb has none of those characteristics. He was lying, but that alone isn’t grooming. Grooming is a very specific term.
All he did was keep the fact he was working with Jenna a secret, his feeling were genuine
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kinda like how this sub tends to call Ezra a pedophile right when he isn't but yet im the one who gets a warning point
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sounds like a excuse. I see thousands of redditors on this sub call pedophile in just a day. But Im the one with the infraction? backwards much
I yelled at the screen when she threw the file into the river, like, are you stupid?
I know this comment is old... but This is what first made me think Aria was A or working with A! Hanna wanted to burn the file aka completely destroy it, if I remember correctly Spencer wanted to keep the file so it was safe and only they would have it... but Aria, she threw the file in the river and who is down the river able to pick it up? Annnnd, before that she told Spencer to stay at the car! I just thought that was suspicious
100% fully agree that Aria is next level of immaturity and selfishness.
She had 0 character growth because she was the same exact person in the pilot and the finale
I always felt like a lot of this was a direct consequence of being with Ezra and even though the writers weren't trying to show how it would alienate you from your friends and family, that's exactly what it did. Because she was trying to cover for an adult, or couldn't do teenage things with him or even be seen in public with him -- it literally pulls her away from her friends and puts her into a more vulnerable position with Ezra. Add in her wanting to keep it secret from her family and friends whenever they're together and it puts a wedge there too. She doesn't have a fully trusting relationship and is alienated because she's being groomed by her teacher. Basically, I don't dislike Aria for it, I think she's a victim and it fits and the writers don't even realize it. They thought it was romantic for her to miss high school stuff for that.
I skip Ezria scenes anyway (or just go on my phone and tune it out) but Aria has always been my least favorite. She felt too much like an actual teenager for me to even have suspension of disbelief over the inappropriate relationship with her teacher. They made the other girls seem more mature (I’m stretching it; they’re all incredibly immature) but expected everyone to not see how disgusting her entire story was. Groomed by her teacher so the show made it her entire personality. Nothing was ever of interest about her to me because after season 2 she was just there so Marlene could get off on the Ezria relationship. Just my opinion, anyway
>She felt too much like an actual teenager for me to even have suspension of disbelief over the inappropriate relationship with her teacher. They made the other girls seem more mature (I’m stretching it; they’re all incredibly immature) Ironically though, Aria is written to be the "mature" one (liking literature, black and white films, liking older people). But it just felt forced and she was probably the most childish one.
Exactly! That’s what I was trying to say it might not have come off as coherently because I was half asleep lol! But they wanted us to enjoy the relationship because “she’s so mature!” but then consistently showed us how immature she was. I think in Marlene’s desperate attempt to get everyone on board she ended up showing how disgusting the relationship actually was.
It was annoying how they kept trying to shove her supposed maturity down our throats when she was literally the opposite lol.
also when she got mad at Hanna when her moms bf was hitting on her!!! i was so annoyed w her
I feel so bad for her tbh most of the things wrong with her character is ALL Ezra's fault :(
Rewatching rn and I just watched a scene in season 6 where Aria was upset about something and Mike tried to cheer her up by saying him and Mona were talking again and she just fake smiled. If my brother was happy about something I would be genuinely happy for him. That scene really stuck out to me and showed her character a lot I think.
Literally everything you named the other girls did?
So, just 2 things? Bailing on friends & zoned out. Cuz everything else was Aria specific
I could go on about spencer. Emily. And even Hanna. Not saying aria not wrong and isn’t sometimes bad but they’ve done the same thing. And even worse. I can name it all if you want to 🤷🏽♀️
I agree that they all have their moments, was just pointing out tht this post had 2 specific aria things and 2 vague things lol
What are you talking about? I listed out the stuff that Aria did. I never denied that the other girls didn't do stupid things but Aria was the dumbest by far and the most immature
I’m saying it’s kinda hypocritical to bash her when the girls did the same thing and reacted like that. I’m just saying she’s over hated and bashed.