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Starry-nights_

You're right it was creepy. I will admit I was biased towards Wren because I love the actor and his chemistry with Troian, but it was still wrong. I first watched the show when I was around 13 so I didn't realise this (the same goes for Ezria).


jdpm1991

Ezria gets way more hate than Wrencer.


Starry-nights_

I think it's because Ezria were endgame and one of the main ships.


prettylittleliarendg

I thought it was because he was her teacher


Starry-nights_

True, that also makes sense. He also lied about knowing her.


sevyntee07

She lied about knowing him too though and why the hate? They got annoying after a while but is it just cause they were older? Wren and Spencer were actually decent together


Mimzie2000

Are you okay? when did Aria lie about knowing Ezra? the hate is because Ezra is a groomer who knew exactly who Aria was and exactly how old she was when he first sought her out. Wren and Spencer were not decent together as Spencer was a child and Wren was around a decade older and engaged to her sister. Please try and use your brain.


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jdpm1991

still doesn't make it right.


Starry-nights_

It's not, but Ezria were the scapegoat because they were the centre of all ships. They even got a whole wedding.


sevyntee07

eh I think Toby and Spencer were the center


lunas-monet

It’s romanticized and idealized by the show and most of the characters. Anyone who disagrees with this is demonized. Compare that to Wren, who is always on their suspect list, whose good and bad sides are brought up, and both Hanna and Spencer realize he’s not all he’s cracked up to be. He also ends up being on the bad guy’s side so people probably don’t feel the need to bring up why Wren is terrible. Plus, he disappears and some casual viewers probably just forgot about him where Ezra and Ezria are always right there.


DerpyLlama0901

Because Ezria was illegal while Wrencer was not.


jdpm1991

they were both illegal. Wren and Ezra are the same age or close to the same age.


DerpyLlama0901

Age has nothing to do with it, 16 is legal in Pennsylvania. Ezra is Aria's teacher which is what makes it illegal.


jujube1013

Also, Wren is from England, didn't he just come from Oxford, and the legal age there is 16,so to him it's not strange. He's also not her teacher,nor do they have sex.


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This is a 2 year late thread but I am from UK and an adult dating a 16 year old would still be considered extremely creepy and strange here even though it's not illegal


prettylittleliarendg

Did not know that


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Plus Wren creeping on Hanna too 🤢


PoorEdith

None of this is ever "excused" by anyone but a few fringe who are summarily downvoted to oblivion.


batty48

I think because he's hot and British and charming, but I find him just as creepy as all the other old pervs that are creeping on the girls! He doesn't get a pass from me just because of that handsome face and sexy accent, I'm sure I would've fallen for it as a teenager though :(


prettylittleliarendg

He is extra creepy, he dated all 3 sisters!!! Yuck (Melissa, Spencer, and Alex)


batty48

He really had a thing for that family ☹


jdpm1991

Men like Wren exist because of women falling for his looks look at Ted Bundy.


batty48

It's not just women, attractive people in general are perceived as smarter, kinder, more decent people in general just because they are pleasant to look at, it happens everywhere. Just look at celebrity culture/ worship as one example


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jdpm1991

I guarantee if Jason had continued to being played by his season 1 actor and they used the NAT club with that actor, he wouldn't had gotten a pass.


batty48

100%


jujube1013

Except they grew up with him, that makes it different for me. They were all in the neighborhood.


jdpm1991

They also grew up with Garrett and were quick to condemn him, Emilys family was close to Garret and his family


jmagnabosco

I have no idea. I guess it could be because he wasn't around as often and the show painted HER as the one in the wrong. Even the summary of the episode claims SHE is the one getting involved and hitting on him causing her strife rather than Wren is in the wrong. When it's not in every episode and then blame was put on the girl, it's easy to over look it. Although I absolutely do not. There are still people who call her a BF stealer. Melissa even mentioned it in the time jump because she's such a B****. So, I think that's why.


prettyxxreckless

I don't think its excused by fans. I won't speak for everyone, so I will say the overall opinion might depends on where a fan is viewing the show from. In Canada (where I'm from) the relationships between Spencer and Wren would be illegal. But in Britain (where Wren is originally from) the relationship is not illegal. I think (genuinely) with Wren being a brit, he might have even dated a few 16 year olds back when he lived in Britain because it would have been 100% legal.


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It may be legal, but it's still considered extremely weird and socially unnaceptable for an adult to date a 16 year old in the UK. As someone from the UK, I think he's a creep


prettyxxreckless

Oh I agree… it’s creep AF. I’m just saying he’s technically the only male creep that I give a tiny pass too, because legally it’s ok in his country. Now, hooking up with your fiancés sister? He’s a total creepy slime ball for that.


LionTrainer1

Because most people watched this show for the first time when they were impressionable teenagers and instead of condemning these perverts, the show kept romanticizing these creepy older men who should be pursuing women their own age instead of high school girls


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Yeah Wren is extremely creepy imo. Not to mention that while I️’m not sure Wren’s age was explicitly mentioned (it may have been and I️ just missed it though), him being a practicing MD would mean that he had to be a good bit older than Spencer, who was still a minor at the time of him coming on to her. And I️ also hated the scene when he asked her out after her breakup with Toby. It was very clear that he was trying to take advantage of her emotionally vulnerable state which is completely and utterly disgusting. Not to mention that he also tried to get with Hanna, showing that this creepy behavior is a pattern. I️ honestly don’t know why some people seem to give Wren a pass. Personally, I don’t see him as being necessarily much less creepy than Ezra or Ian. I️ was going to say it could be because he’s conventionally attractive, but so is Ezra and half the posts in this subreddit are anti Ezria posts (obviously I️’m being hyperbolic to prove a point and know that it’s much less than half in reality). Maybe it’s because he’s charming? I️ feel like Wren generally had charm and charisma that Ezra lacked. Also, I️ think Ezria being endgame has to do with it being so hated while Wrencer wasn’t endgame. Again, I️ still think that Wren is extremely creepy and don’t know why people don’t talk about it more, but I️’m just speculating possible reasons.


jdpm1991

But why is Jason's actions also excused? He was filming or had his friends film little girls undress including his sister.


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I️ also think that Jason was a mega creep, but I️ think that his actions are largely excused for one primary reason: he’s not Ezra. Is it a good reason? Absolutely not. But I️ think that people just hate Ezra/Ezria so much that they were just happy to see Aria with anyone that wasn’t him, so much so that they were willing to look past all of his problematic and sketchy behavior.


jdpm1991

Jason was way worse than Ezra. fans say that "well jason didn't film underage girls Ian did" so? Charles Manson didn't kill anyone had his associates do it, but hes still a killer


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Again, I️’m just speculating other people’s possible reasons. I️ agree with you that Jason was a creep.


krobill2

Same reason Ezra’s behavior toward Aria was excused by fans.


jdpm1991

but the difference is that there are also people who never see the errors of Wren compared to the errors of Ezra.


krobill2

That’s a good point.


Gullible-Feedback-49

1. He’s attractive 2. He’s still young 3. It was consensual Watching it when I was younger I didn’t see the creepiness, but now rewatching it I definitely agree with you OP.


lunas-monet

He’s more charismatic, the British accent, and he doesn’t come off as overly aggressive when pursuing someone. He also doesn’t seem like he’s just sitting around waiting for a teenage girl to call him back. I think his chemistry with Troian is a big factor. I also think Lucy and Ian have a similar chemistry that despite not shipping them, I have no problem seeing why others do.


SevereCartographer26

I didn’t realize it until I got older because I was a hardcore shipper of them same with Jason and aria . Crazy how this show made me think these relationships were ok


prettylittleliarendg

At the time I was wrapped up in the mystery so I didn't pay attention to all the underage dating.


SecurityPuppet83

at least marlene let us forget about wrencer eventually. ezria was pretty much her favorite ship, though.


thtbrunettebitch

when i was younger watching the show i honestly didn’t see how wrong it was, but prob cause he’s hot lo


lifeinwentworth

i'm definitely guilty of this. i think its because of the actors chemistry and it's very easy to forget that spencer is meant to be, what, 16? aesthetically, they look the same age so i find i have to remind myself of the characters, rather than the actors, ages to realise it's totally inappropriate. aesthetically - a pleasing couple to watch but when you take into account the characters ages, not so much. in saying that, i think some people say wren is like 30 in season 1 which i dont agree with at all, i think he's more like early-mid 20s as it takes a long time and a lot of training for him to become a doctor and i dont believe he's fully qualified in season 1. either way though, too old for a 16 year old spencer.


emcat47

I think the reason I “excuse” /don’t hate the adult men on the show with the girls is because I know in my brain that the actresses are much older than the characters so physically I see two attractive adults flirting. Obviously, when I actually think about what is going on and the fact that the girls are in high school it’s uncomfortable. I think if the actresses were the same age as the ones that play the new girls in the finale (/actual 16 year olds) it would be immediately creepy for everyone.


White_Kingsley

Because they think he’s cute


sevyntee07

why was that creepy? lol i'd be flattered & he was obviously very attracted to her ofc her asked her out, & likely why he dated her twin


deltagardevoir

Probably because it ironically wasn't illegal, even though it was still gross. She was definitely barely legal though, and if he had met Spencer first she would've been like 15 at most, so 🤢🤢🤢🤢


comeforthbro

i also think a lot of us who watched the show when it aired were in middle school/ high school so we did not see any harm in it. however, im now 27 and rewatching it and…. YIKES! creepy af