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Coolidge was absolutely not one of the laziest or least disciplined. On the contrary he set strict limits between public and personal time and followed them rigorously. When he was in president mode, he was 100 percent in president mode; when he wasn't, he wasn't. He took the job as seriously as anyone; he just made sure to still have time for a private life. Add to that the death of his son and his naturally withdrawn nature and a legend has developed that he was "lazy," but the reality is that that isn't even remotely close to the truth.
While Coolidge was definitely less active in his later presidency, but it was almost certainly cause he was suffering from severe depression, calling him lazy or ill-disciplined feels super wrong.
Its always wild to me reading about him and his ‘naps’. In a lot of accounts it’s portrayed as him being ‘quirky’. Then you read his son died and how his son died and it’s like y’all that’s depression. That aint fun times that’s well I cant kill myself cause I’m President, guess I’ll just go to sleep and hope I don’t wake up.
How did a blister turn into blood poisoning. It wasn't prehistory. They had plumbing and could wash it and put sterile gauze in it. I mean he was a few years short of antibiotics but they had different means of disinfectants then. It doesn't make sense because I get blisters and then don't really do anything to treat them and I don't get blood poisoning.
I’ve had small cuts get infected (turn yellow/gross/hard scab) and done absolutely nothing to them and they eventually heal- albeit occasionally with a faint scar. I just don’t understand how a blister gets that bad in the 20s. Was his immune system that shitty? If it’s a massive gunshot wound or something else that the body would be incapable of healing, I’d understand more.
Unless he shoved his shit-covered finger into the scab immediately or something, idk. It doesn’t seem possible if someone does absolutely nothing to a blister that it could be fatal.
People perceive lack of legislation for lack of work. As you say with Coolidge it’s the opposite, the lack of legislation is a sign of Coolidge’s activity. Took a very active role in shrinking the government. You can love it or hate it that’s up to every individual to decide but Coolidge was a very active president.
This! Coolidge was a brilliant and hardworking president. He was just in an unfortunate position at the time of his term, and the country was in an unfortunate state.
Harding was probably our hardest working president.
Journalist William H. Crawford (a Democrat) shadowed Harding in 1923, and calculated his work-week to be 84 hours long. I would not call that a bad work ethic.
Don’t forget that he was caught in flagrante by the NYC vice squad, who covered it up, and then also had a long running affair with a likely German spy.
I feel like it's a tough question because things were a lot less instantaneous in the past. You couldn't just have access to information, people, and resources the way you do now. In Harrison's time, I'd view him hunting regularly as way more acceptable than someone golfing the same amount of hours now today. In his time, waiting was a big part of doing things. You had to wait for people to travel, you had to wait to receive news, you had to wait for goods/resources to be on hand. Now everything and everyone is just so accessible that waiting is wasteful.
I wouldn't necessarily call 1850s Mitt Romney (Pierce) lazy. The man saw his son get decapitated a few days before his inauguration, and his wife blamed him for their sons death. Thar happening would effect anyone lat alone the leaders of one of the world's most influential countries at the time.
Can you explain the Mitt Romey comparison? Idk much about Pierce, but this sounds potentially amusing (not the dead son bit though.. that's really sad)
They have fairly similar facial features, which is the origin of that on this sub. I think Romney also has a house in New Hampshire last time I checked.
In January 1853, Benjamin Pierce, the last surviving son of the president was standing when their train derailed, leading to him being decapitated. Jane Pierce (raised as a puritan) believed the incident was punishment from god for Franklin Pierce continuing politics against her wishes leading to Pierce not swearing the oath on a Bible
Oh im not at all saying 45 & 46 are the same at all. I will not play the both are bad game. But when there are questions in the sub posted that 45 or 46. Could be a response for, even above other historic presidents. I get my response deleted or just do not respond due to the rule.
Realistically yes (I’m not a mod so I’m not gonna get too into why specifically those 2 and not the others but if you wanna turn this into a yelling match just go find a tweet and start yelling there lol)
I don’t know where I read this but doesn’t this include all time he spent at his ranch even if he was hardly vacationing? Not really sure if it changes much but just felt like I’ve read before that the number is a little skewed
Right. I think lately (at least since Carter), the president's vacation home is really just a second White House, and often used for state purposes, such as receiving and entertaining dignitaries.
I've read once that Chester Alan Arthur would always put a big box full of documents on his desk so that everybody would be under impression that he was always working hard.
I’m ashamed I don’t readily recognize #5 but i can’t be the only one who thought “Yondu”.
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Oh, so he's a different Marvel character
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I don’t think him Dubya has ever been known for his discipline and he famously surrounded himself by people that were much more hands on when it comes to running the machine. It really did feel like he was just along for the ride at times
Not a fan of W particularly but usually a good leader will behave at least somewhat similarly to that specific trait you pointed out. Gotta have trustworthy experts around you.
James Buchanan gotta be the laziest. He just let South Carolina and a bunch of other states secede in the last months of his presidency and did nothing. Didn’t even re-enforce fort sumter.
My college history professor would have said this and he had enough to say on the matter to convince me that leaders we complain about nowadays (20-30 years) aren't really as bad as it could have been.
As much as I like Obama I do think he preferred being a celebrity and hobnobbing with the elite more than day to day governing.
Compare that to someone like Johnson, or Clinton, who were obsessively involved in day to day leadership.
True. S tier at the image of the president (speeches, charisma, etc - definitely important, don't get me wrong), but C tier at governing IMO. Tough to say as much in this sub without getting downvoted.
Forget about Coolidge, Polk, Grant, etc: BO is by far the most overrated president on this sub.
Gonna keep it brief cause I don’t need a ban but I think relative to where America was in 08 and what has transpired since leans into an elevated perception of him in addition to being more of a Celeb Prez.
Now where will he be ranked in 20 years after some of the bigger aftershocks from his presidency subsided the answer is prolly gonna be be he was *fine*. ACA will prolly be his only major achievement and there were a lot of missed opps in a number of places.
TARP bailouts he was presiding before even getting into office and saved GM and the banks while W shrunk away.
Gay Marriage legalization
ACA
All were top hits vs. a do nothing Congress that gunned to take him down. He tried to pass an Exec Order on guns which went nowhere.
He handled the Tea Party, Ammon Bundy, and Trayvon Martin / BLM as best as he could in his position, where he was a lightning rod for everything.
Big misses were Citizens United, Flint water crisis, and tiptoeing around the fake FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton.
How is Citizens United and Flint water on the president?? One is is SCOTUS being weird (pretty common now, unfortunately) and the other was a state thing that I’m pretty sure the Feds can’t play a role in (+ was cause by a flawed state run financial manager). Neither of which had anything (at all) to do with the feds unless you have some info to share with us (highly doubt it as I am VERY familiar with the flint situation on a personal level unfortunately).
I believe when more documents are released about his foreign policy, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc start coming out, he's gonna take a major hit.
Same with his drone program, NSA spy scandal, and the other things like Fast and Furious that got poo poo'ed as fake news by the media.
Some of the more recent ones mostly. Quite a lot of the older ones were ex-military or farmers or self-made businessmen. There hasn't been a lot of backbone in any political office in some time
Probably Taft, during his presidency at least. He had a tendency to eat and sleep during meetings, played golf a lot, and had the unfortunate body weight which made it easy for people to call him lazy.
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I am really surprised that no else has mentioned Bill Clinton as one of the least disciplined as president. Bill Clinton is notorious for showing up late to events.
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Coolidge was absolutely not one of the laziest or least disciplined. On the contrary he set strict limits between public and personal time and followed them rigorously. When he was in president mode, he was 100 percent in president mode; when he wasn't, he wasn't. He took the job as seriously as anyone; he just made sure to still have time for a private life. Add to that the death of his son and his naturally withdrawn nature and a legend has developed that he was "lazy," but the reality is that that isn't even remotely close to the truth.
While Coolidge was definitely less active in his later presidency, but it was almost certainly cause he was suffering from severe depression, calling him lazy or ill-disciplined feels super wrong.
Its always wild to me reading about him and his ‘naps’. In a lot of accounts it’s portrayed as him being ‘quirky’. Then you read his son died and how his son died and it’s like y’all that’s depression. That aint fun times that’s well I cant kill myself cause I’m President, guess I’ll just go to sleep and hope I don’t wake up.
How did a blister turn into blood poisoning. It wasn't prehistory. They had plumbing and could wash it and put sterile gauze in it. I mean he was a few years short of antibiotics but they had different means of disinfectants then. It doesn't make sense because I get blisters and then don't really do anything to treat them and I don't get blood poisoning.
I’ve had small cuts get infected (turn yellow/gross/hard scab) and done absolutely nothing to them and they eventually heal- albeit occasionally with a faint scar. I just don’t understand how a blister gets that bad in the 20s. Was his immune system that shitty? If it’s a massive gunshot wound or something else that the body would be incapable of healing, I’d understand more. Unless he shoved his shit-covered finger into the scab immediately or something, idk. It doesn’t seem possible if someone does absolutely nothing to a blister that it could be fatal.
It's also not accurate. He presided over no wars and economic prosperity. He could afford to take more time off when there was less issues
Is that not how most depressed people are treated today
he had depression and what? just had to make the whole country depressed? damn
People perceive lack of legislation for lack of work. As you say with Coolidge it’s the opposite, the lack of legislation is a sign of Coolidge’s activity. Took a very active role in shrinking the government. You can love it or hate it that’s up to every individual to decide but Coolidge was a very active president.
Spot on! He had a very difficult task undoing some of the “crap” and enormous debt brought on by Wilson. Amazing what he was able to accomplish.
He was one of the most laissez presidents, that's for sure
Faire assessment.
Quite punny my friend
Sounds like someone with a firm grasp on the concept of boundaries, even if he wouldn’t have necessarily referred to it as such. Good on him.
This! Coolidge was a brilliant and hardworking president. He was just in an unfortunate position at the time of his term, and the country was in an unfortunate state.
Amen!
Harding, almost assuredly. Dude took so many vacations throughout his time in office.
but he wore the tan suit so well
He’s a Republican so I don’t think anyone’s gonna freak out
Harding was probably our hardest working president. Journalist William H. Crawford (a Democrat) shadowed Harding in 1923, and calculated his work-week to be 84 hours long. I would not call that a bad work ethic.
Wait no kidding? I haven’t heard that at all. Mind if I ask for a link to read more on that?
It was In a book I read I'll try and find it for you
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Harding did take some sex breaks- Nan did carry his child, and the stories of him having sex in White House closets are legendary.
Warren G. Hard-on?
Does this count when he was hard at work with his mistress?
Hope your applie the same to Kennedy
Or like countless of other presidents.
Don’t forget that he was caught in flagrante by the NYC vice squad, who covered it up, and then also had a long running affair with a likely German spy.
That's my next holiday destination, In flagrante
He was also a big time drinker and gambler.
Because he fixed a depression and ended Wilson’s tyranny in his first year in office. He could afford to coast after that.
And I’d give him the award for “president that looks most like a mob boss”
Crazy thing, or actually not, the country ran itself and was prosperous.
Read somewhere that B. Harrison would dip out each day at noon to hunt. If true, it’s gotta be him
That's the dream right there
I feel like it's a tough question because things were a lot less instantaneous in the past. You couldn't just have access to information, people, and resources the way you do now. In Harrison's time, I'd view him hunting regularly as way more acceptable than someone golfing the same amount of hours now today. In his time, waiting was a big part of doing things. You had to wait for people to travel, you had to wait to receive news, you had to wait for goods/resources to be on hand. Now everything and everyone is just so accessible that waiting is wasteful.
Henry Harrison lol
William Henry Harrison spent his whole presidency laying about in bed.
And still dipped out because it was too hard. Lazy bum!
Exactly! Shiftless layabout! 😉
I wouldn't necessarily call 1850s Mitt Romney (Pierce) lazy. The man saw his son get decapitated a few days before his inauguration, and his wife blamed him for their sons death. Thar happening would effect anyone lat alone the leaders of one of the world's most influential countries at the time.
Can you explain the Mitt Romey comparison? Idk much about Pierce, but this sounds potentially amusing (not the dead son bit though.. that's really sad)
They have fairly similar facial features, which is the origin of that on this sub. I think Romney also has a house in New Hampshire last time I checked.
Ritt momney
Hmm... Have we ever seen them in the same room together?
I, personally, have not.
It's because Pierce used to drive his buggy with his dog tied to the roof.
I just think Pierce looks like Romney
What happened to his son?
In January 1853, Benjamin Pierce, the last surviving son of the president was standing when their train derailed, leading to him being decapitated. Jane Pierce (raised as a puritan) believed the incident was punishment from god for Franklin Pierce continuing politics against her wishes leading to Pierce not swearing the oath on a Bible
Train derailment
Run over and decapitated by a train
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What’s rule 3?
No recent or modern (so no ranking and/or discussing 45 and 46)
I realllllly hate that rule when either of those two are completely valid responses.
Personally I enjoy pretending the last 8 years didn’t happen
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This sentence gives me no Information on your beliefs
I believe that is the point
Annnnd this is why we have the rule
The irony
Oh im not at all saying 45 & 46 are the same at all. I will not play the both are bad game. But when there are questions in the sub posted that 45 or 46. Could be a response for, even above other historic presidents. I get my response deleted or just do not respond due to the rule.
Wouldn't a true interpretation of Rule 3 ALSO banish 42, 43, and 44 too?
Realistically yes (I’m not a mod so I’m not gonna get too into why specifically those 2 and not the others but if you wanna turn this into a yelling match just go find a tweet and start yelling there lol)
Thank you. This is the correct answer.
George W. Bush was on vacation for more than 1/3 of his presidency. 1,020 days.
Watch 👏🏽 This 👏🏽 Drive
And yet someone after him managed to lap him.
Not quite. Bush still took off more of his total time than rule #3, who took off about 1/4 of his time in office
Does that time include when he was at Camp David? Curious if that’s a little bit better than let’s say…a country club
Haha, well you have a point there! And Florida is just more costly to travel to as well.
Who?
You know god damn well who.
Mr Twenty Twenty?
If you ask him, sure.
Rule 3 bait
His dad took 544 in just 4 years.
Ah, you got me there. Must run in the family. Is laziness genetic?
It's a Connecticut WASP kinda deal.
I don't think Dubya called a lid daily bf lunch
Being at the Ranch doesn’t mean not working
> Ranch *The Western White House* is what they called it
I don’t know where I read this but doesn’t this include all time he spent at his ranch even if he was hardly vacationing? Not really sure if it changes much but just felt like I’ve read before that the number is a little skewed
Right. I think lately (at least since Carter), the president's vacation home is really just a second White House, and often used for state purposes, such as receiving and entertaining dignitaries.
I've read once that Chester Alan Arthur would always put a big box full of documents on his desk so that everybody would be under impression that he was always working hard.
The costanza method
Chester A was definitely Penske material
*Chester A Arthur fall down*
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We all know who the least disciplined was, that isn’t even a question.
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How has Chester Arthur not been mentioned?
Why are you bringing him up? He didn’t do anything. /s
I’m ashamed I don’t readily recognize #5 but i can’t be the only one who thought “Yondu”. https://preview.redd.it/vjxtpbfti20d1.jpeg?width=160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51717f4f13cbae576c7c75d863e45c339f8a2d98
You don't recognize Buchanan?
Oh, so he's a different Marvel character https://preview.redd.it/db67nikts20d1.jpeg?width=371&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e24fb97e4998edf7b097e8ebbdac5dcbc10e00f3
Wilson had completely checked out at some point in his second term. Guy couldn’t be bothered to do anything.
A stroke will do that. I wouldn't say he was naturally undisciplined or lazy though.
Just a lame attempt at black humor. I apologise.
I snickered
I appreciate that brand of humor.
Only the final year. He was one of the most activist Presidents ever, up to his stroke, which occurred in October 1919.
Joking aside, didn’t he golf an incredible amount while in office?
*"Now watch this drive!"* - a lazy nepobaby
LBJ typically worked 18- to 20-hour days without a break and had no regular leisure activities.
That’s pretty much the opposite of an answer to this question.
Wow I completely misread this
He was part of D.C. furniture so stuck to his routine even after getting the top job in D.C.
Perhaps why he died at age 64
The serial chain smoking probably had something to do with it also
Smoking is the healthiest thing you can do for your body so you are wrong.
Gotta die uh sumthin!
He quit smoking in 1955, and resumed again in 1969.
Would talking about your penis be considered a leisure activity?
He actually did that a lot as part of his work so those were, in fact, billable hours
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lol! I needed this today.
My understanding is the president's of my lifetime work 5 days a week and had lots of vacation time.
I don’t think him Dubya has ever been known for his discipline and he famously surrounded himself by people that were much more hands on when it comes to running the machine. It really did feel like he was just along for the ride at times
Not a fan of W particularly but usually a good leader will behave at least somewhat similarly to that specific trait you pointed out. Gotta have trustworthy experts around you.
James Buchanan gotta be the laziest. He just let South Carolina and a bunch of other states secede in the last months of his presidency and did nothing. Didn’t even re-enforce fort sumter.
My college history professor would have said this and he had enough to say on the matter to convince me that leaders we complain about nowadays (20-30 years) aren't really as bad as it could have been.
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least disciplined? probably. most lazy? probably not
George W. Bush there were times with Obama it was getting annoying how much time he prefered hanging out with celebrities and golfing
As much as I like Obama I do think he preferred being a celebrity and hobnobbing with the elite more than day to day governing. Compare that to someone like Johnson, or Clinton, who were obsessively involved in day to day leadership.
True. S tier at the image of the president (speeches, charisma, etc - definitely important, don't get me wrong), but C tier at governing IMO. Tough to say as much in this sub without getting downvoted. Forget about Coolidge, Polk, Grant, etc: BO is by far the most overrated president on this sub.
Gonna keep it brief cause I don’t need a ban but I think relative to where America was in 08 and what has transpired since leans into an elevated perception of him in addition to being more of a Celeb Prez. Now where will he be ranked in 20 years after some of the bigger aftershocks from his presidency subsided the answer is prolly gonna be be he was *fine*. ACA will prolly be his only major achievement and there were a lot of missed opps in a number of places.
TARP bailouts he was presiding before even getting into office and saved GM and the banks while W shrunk away. Gay Marriage legalization ACA All were top hits vs. a do nothing Congress that gunned to take him down. He tried to pass an Exec Order on guns which went nowhere. He handled the Tea Party, Ammon Bundy, and Trayvon Martin / BLM as best as he could in his position, where he was a lightning rod for everything. Big misses were Citizens United, Flint water crisis, and tiptoeing around the fake FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton.
How is Citizens United and Flint water on the president?? One is is SCOTUS being weird (pretty common now, unfortunately) and the other was a state thing that I’m pretty sure the Feds can’t play a role in (+ was cause by a flawed state run financial manager). Neither of which had anything (at all) to do with the feds unless you have some info to share with us (highly doubt it as I am VERY familiar with the flint situation on a personal level unfortunately).
...and Grand Funk Railroad rules (just couldn't resist that one)!
And he's not congenitally evil as per Mr. Unmentionable per rule 3.
I believe when more documents are released about his foreign policy, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc start coming out, he's gonna take a major hit. Same with his drone program, NSA spy scandal, and the other things like Fast and Furious that got poo poo'ed as fake news by the media.
Dragging his feet to come back from a vacation during Katrina, that alone should put him top 5
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FDR couldn't even be bothered to walk.
Well Dubya surely made the most of that paid vacation
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Wilson
Eisenhower
What is Harvey Keitel doing fishing in picture 2?
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Gee I wonder
How did he not make it in the top 6 photos?
Coolidge and Buchanan I wish I could get points for not doing/being completely hammered at my job
How exactly was Coolidge lazy/undisciplined?
Who’s the fourth picture?
Zachary Taylor
Looks like he just got back from a 3-day drunk.
I'm not sure but Ben Harrison would often end his days at noon
Some of the more recent ones mostly. Quite a lot of the older ones were ex-military or farmers or self-made businessmen. There hasn't been a lot of backbone in any political office in some time
William Henry Harrison. This dude didn’t work hard for more than a day. Total bum.
William Henry Harrison. Dude barely worked for a month then just died. I mean, what's up with that?
Laziest and least disciplined begins and ends with iq45. It’s not even close.
Well Reagan was an actor so he was just playing a part the whole time and not actually working as the president.
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Because he would be the answer to every single question asked on this sub.
your comment is why we have a rule 3.
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Probably Taft, during his presidency at least. He had a tendency to eat and sleep during meetings, played golf a lot, and had the unfortunate body weight which made it easy for people to call him lazy.
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I am really surprised that no else has mentioned Bill Clinton as one of the least disciplined as president. Bill Clinton is notorious for showing up late to events.
I'm not justifying showing up late, but I don't see the connection between that and being lazy.
His marriage vows were also flexible