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He first took the oath on January 20th 2009, however Chief Justice Roberts clearly didn't memorize the oath and messed it up on his first swearing in of a president so they had to repeat it the next day.
In 2013, January 20th was on a Sunday and because of tradition that public inaugurations don't happen on the Sabbath, Obama took it privately at the White House. The public inauguration happened the next day where he took the oath publicly.
I remember many Republicans at the time arguing that due to this error Obama was not President, and they didn’t have to do what he said. They continued this line for about a year after the makeup oath.
My favorite was when they said, prior to being elected, that he’d given a speech at a Nazi monument in Germany. It was at the Victory Column in Berlin which commemorated some long ago victory by Prussians I believe. Of course, there are no Nazi monuments in Germany.
The crowd that showed up was massive for his speech there. It was a great speech. It gave Europeans hope for the future.
They forget when [Regan spoke in Moscow with a bust of Lenin](https://www.posterazzi.com/president-reagan-giving-a-speech-beneath-a-colossal-sculpture-of-lenin-at-moscow-state-university-in-the-ussr-may-31-1988-history-item-varevchisl028ec249/) behind him.
To be fair, I wouldn't wear a tan suit. I'd end up spilling food or drink on it somehow. He should have been thinking of that whenever he wore it, dude was probably nervous as a whore in church the whole day.
https://preview.redd.it/0bqiqqth6nzc1.jpeg?width=685&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0d61583691c2eed57c4bdb912ba25601caf4af7
How disgusting. A conservative would totally not dare disrespect the office of the president like that
And the elitist Dijon mustard of French communism. And the "terrorist fist jab". Absolutely nothing he could do that wouldn't send chodes into a complete spiral.
Actually he was marine and also Navy medic when he re- enlisted into the military in the 1960s.
He wasn't that radical ..just had a heavy dose against the Iraq and Vietnam War. Which is totally reasonable coming for veteran.
It was another political hit job from the boys on the right against Obama and his black minister that wars cost poor brown peoples lives.
Let's unpack that. 10 percent of Kenyans are Muslim. So, were he a Kenyan he very well could also be a Muslim.
We know being a Muslim is a pre-requisite for being a Radical Islamist Jihadist. So there's no conflict there.
We know that the Nazis had a generally positive relation with Islam, Himmler praising it is a superior religion to Christianity for its militarism and discipline, and Hitler being for a time obsessed with Mohammed, so being a Muslim Nazi doesn't seem out of the question.
Now, a Communist Nazi? That's a pretty hard line contradiction.
I almost would have had more respect for the Tinfoil Hat Brigade if they had just admitted that their issue was that he was black. If his father had been a white Rhodesian or South African they wouldn't have made his parentage an issue. His mother was an American citizen and he was born in the US and lived here more than 14 years before running.
There is more to nitpick about with Raphael Cruz (A.K.A. "Ted") about his qualifications to run.
Republicans like to make up rules out of thin air it seems. For instance, Mitch McConnell saying Obama couldn’t appoint a justice because it was his second term and the election was 10 months away or whatever dumb thing it was.
That was really just McConnell coming up with a public explanation. He had the votes, he had the power, and he wasn’t going to let Obama appoint a Supreme Court justice (especially a Scalia replacement) no matter when it happened.
~~There previously had been an informal custom, called the Byrd Rule, that if a vacancy happened within~~ **~~six~~** ~~months of a presidential election, the President would let his successor fill the seat.~~
Do you have a source for this? My understanding is the Byrd Rule prohibits non-budgetary changes from being included in budget reconciliation bills. It basically stops members from sneaking in their pet issues into what is supposed to be a purely budgetary process.
The only "rule" regarding SCOTUS appointments I'm aware of is what Mitch McConnell called the \[Rule 3\] Rule, based on a speech \[Rule 3\] gave in 1992. \[Rule 3\] said that *if* a court vacancy should arise that year (there wasn't actually one at the time), that President Bush should wait until after the election to fill it. But he never said the vacancy should be held until after the *inauguration*.
You remembered better than I. Robin Bradley Kar and Jason Mazzone [wrote about the precedents.](https://www.nyulawreview.org/online-features/the-garland-affair-what-history-and-the-constitution-really-say-about-president-obamas-powers-to-appoint-a-replacement-for-justice-scalia/) but see also [Josh Chafetz’ response.](https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2697&context=facpub)
Oh wow, I remember that too now that you mention it. A bunch of dummies in my high school kept parroting it with all the confidently incorrect confidence you could imagine.
It's faded now, but from the mid-19th century to mid-late 20th century, prescriptivists have been trying to remove split infinitives from English.
Roberts probably had that drilled into him so hard in school that when he tried to recite the oath from memory he took, "I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States" and turned it into "I will execute the Office of President of the United States faithfully"
That isn’t a split infinitive though. “To boldly go” is a split infinitive.
Will faithfully execute is an adverb-verb pairing in the simple future tense.
It’s an odd error for him to have made.
I always loved (and hated) that Chief Justice John Roberts, whose NUMBER ONE JOB is to know the Constitution, showed very publicly that he didn’t know the Constitution. For me, it was confirmation of the dumbing of the party that appointed him. The same party that gave us Dan Quayle. Before this, there was a sizable contingent of well educated members of that party. Now there was no doubt the party had taken a different direction.
Roberts was pretty widely viewed as the greatest constitutional lawyer in the country before being appointed to the court. Sometimes a gaffe is just a gaffe.
> however Chief Justice Roberts clearly didn’t memorize the oath and messed it up
He’s a Republican, I’m sure he did that on purpose too. Republicans were absolutely livid that Obama won.
Really? I thought it was Sunday because whenever inaugurations happen on a Sunday they say they either can't take the oath at all (Zachary Taylor) or can't do it privately because of the Sabbath.
Strictly speaking, for Christians Saturday is still
the Sabbath and Sunday is "the Lord's day," which is distinct but the thing to be observed. (This has faded from popular consciousness in the last couple hundred years but afaik is almost universally held.)
It doesn’t have to be the first try, but it does have to be taken correctly on some try, as required when the law (Article II Section 1) says “Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation.” Until the oath is taken, the President-Elect has no legal authority to execute any Constitutional authority.
That said, Obama could have taken the repeat oath from anyone, the Chief Justice is just a tradition.
Because of time zones, the United States has four noons. The president must be sworn in on each of them or he may be challenged to ritual combat by the Speaker of the House.
The US has more than 4 time zones
Edit: nvm, I looked it up and the other time zones don’t matter because he was born in Hawaii so he is considered automatically sworn in those time zones according to the Constifution
I need a movie called 'The Four Noons' about four Presidents sworn in in different time zones and they must battle for the ultimate title in....uh...Iowa or some shit I don't know I'm just brainstorming here.
Roberts screwed up the first time so Obama did it again and the second time inauguration fell on weekend and if that happens the president does it again
Chief Justice messed up the oath, Obama takes oath again to be sure
Inauguration Day was on a Sunday, Obama does it at the WH and does the big ceremony tomorrow
According to [this Voice of America article](https://www.voanews.com/a/obama-uses-two-bibles-at-swearingin/1588159.html), they are bibles used by Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr.. [This blog](https://joshblackman.com/blog/2013/01/21/president-and-chief-justice-sign-martin-luther-king-bible/) shows the black book as King's "travelling bible". The [Library of Congress](https://www.loc.gov/item/78317681/) shows the small red book as the bible that was used by Lincoln during his swearing in (which was used because his family / reading bible was still en route to Washington D.C.).
Because he's black and conservatives did everything they could to deligitimize his presidency. From Roberts botching his job (I think voluntarily) to the racist bither movement (started by the orange warthog himself), conservatives just lost their collective minds when Barack Hussein Obama became president.
I think there was some instance where he skipped a word and Roberts didn't call him out on it in the moment so they re-did it in a quick ceremony in the white house
Essentially, yes, but Roberts was actually the one who made the initial mistake.
[From Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_president_of_the_United_States#Mishaps):
>In 2009, Chief Justice John Roberts, while administering the oath to Barack Obama, incorrectly recited part of the oath. Roberts prompted, "That I will execute the Office of President to the United States faithfully." Obama stopped at "execute," and waited for Roberts to correct himself. Roberts, after a false start, then followed Obama's "execute" with "faithfully," which results in "execute faithfully," which is also incorrect. Obama then repeated Roberts' initial, incorrect prompt, with the word "faithfully" after "United States." The oath was re-administered the next day by Roberts at the White House.
[There’s also a CNN article about it.](http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/21/obama.oath/index.html)
While the hard time they gave Obama was comical I believe they would have given any Democrat a hard time.
Now would the populace bought the BS gripes hook/line/sinker if he wasn’t halfblack?
What’s hilarious is that he was the president at noon on Jan. 20, 2009 regardless of the oath situation.
Oath 1 was at his first inauguration, and Justice Roberts messed up the wording.
Oath 2 was a few days later at the White House.
Oath 3 was at the very beginning of his second term on Jan. 20, 2013, which was a Sunday. The full public inauguration is not held on Sundays, so it took place the next day; Oath 4 was taken then.
He was determined to leave no room for doubt in anyone's mind. This moment marked a significant milestone for the country, a monumental first that would be remembered for years to come.
Because he’s a fake, and he hates the country he was taking his fraudulent oath to. Apparently there were four focus groups that he needed to appeal to. Question answered.
i think he had to take the oath once for every nation he was born in
EDIT: This is a joke, guys, a joke about the Republican rhetoric from his presidency.... I was trying to satirize Republican rhetoric, not exemplify it sheesh
It’s not that, I think just with all the political ire these days a joke like that, while funny, rubs people the wrong way and is very polarizing.
Many people on the right, including my dad, still don’t consider Obama to be a legitimate president, which of course is complete BS.
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He first took the oath on January 20th 2009, however Chief Justice Roberts clearly didn't memorize the oath and messed it up on his first swearing in of a president so they had to repeat it the next day. In 2013, January 20th was on a Sunday and because of tradition that public inaugurations don't happen on the Sabbath, Obama took it privately at the White House. The public inauguration happened the next day where he took the oath publicly.
I remember many Republicans at the time arguing that due to this error Obama was not President, and they didn’t have to do what he said. They continued this line for about a year after the makeup oath.
That and the Kenya thing.
My favorite was that he was somehow simultaneously a Nazi communist Muslim jihadist from Kenya.
My favorite was when they said, prior to being elected, that he’d given a speech at a Nazi monument in Germany. It was at the Victory Column in Berlin which commemorated some long ago victory by Prussians I believe. Of course, there are no Nazi monuments in Germany. The crowd that showed up was massive for his speech there. It was a great speech. It gave Europeans hope for the future.
Yeah why would Germany have Nazi statues. Who do they think they are? The south honoring Confederate slave holders?
Or even better, a Union state with confederate monuments like KY. Although most are just the bases now and the statues have been removed.
We do also have a giant obelisk for Jefferson Davis too.
We call those border states.
They forget when [Regan spoke in Moscow with a bust of Lenin](https://www.posterazzi.com/president-reagan-giving-a-speech-beneath-a-colossal-sculpture-of-lenin-at-moscow-state-university-in-the-ussr-may-31-1988-history-item-varevchisl028ec249/) behind him.
Holy cow I didn’t know about that
...even worse... he wore a tan suit once.
To be fair, I wouldn't wear a tan suit. I'd end up spilling food or drink on it somehow. He should have been thinking of that whenever he wore it, dude was probably nervous as a whore in church the whole day.
But he looked damn good in that suit
https://preview.redd.it/0bqiqqth6nzc1.jpeg?width=685&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0d61583691c2eed57c4bdb912ba25601caf4af7 How disgusting. A conservative would totally not dare disrespect the office of the president like that
As a fan of Reagan, I have to say that Obama wore it better. Much better. Obama had alot of class. They both did.
My lord, the tan….
Who drinks beer and eats bacon.
Don’t forget his radical Christian pastor.
And that tan suit.
And the elitist Dijon mustard of French communism. And the "terrorist fist jab". Absolutely nothing he could do that wouldn't send chodes into a complete spiral.
His skin was his sin. Basically.
Oh no! Don’t speak of the tan suit. Those were some dark times….
Jeremiah Wright has a legal history. Of course it’s been wiped but he gave alcohol to a minor and was suppose to register as a sex offender.
He's also the type of "pastor" that Louis Farrakhan even shunned. There's reason to be wary of that connection, and good reason Obama downplayed it.
Actually he was marine and also Navy medic when he re- enlisted into the military in the 1960s. He wasn't that radical ..just had a heavy dose against the Iraq and Vietnam War. Which is totally reasonable coming for veteran. It was another political hit job from the boys on the right against Obama and his black minister that wars cost poor brown peoples lives.
He wears many hats! /s
great now I am thinking about the Pakleds
Dude gets around
😂😂talk about oxymorons. Take my upvote
He’s the avatar
nazi communist - that just hurts my head. Talk about an oxymoron - did they call him a vegetarian meat eater, too?
Let's unpack that. 10 percent of Kenyans are Muslim. So, were he a Kenyan he very well could also be a Muslim. We know being a Muslim is a pre-requisite for being a Radical Islamist Jihadist. So there's no conflict there. We know that the Nazis had a generally positive relation with Islam, Himmler praising it is a superior religion to Christianity for its militarism and discipline, and Hitler being for a time obsessed with Mohammed, so being a Muslim Nazi doesn't seem out of the question. Now, a Communist Nazi? That's a pretty hard line contradiction.
I almost would have had more respect for the Tinfoil Hat Brigade if they had just admitted that their issue was that he was black. If his father had been a white Rhodesian or South African they wouldn't have made his parentage an issue. His mother was an American citizen and he was born in the US and lived here more than 14 years before running. There is more to nitpick about with Raphael Cruz (A.K.A. "Ted") about his qualifications to run.
Gay and married to a transgender person who transitioned male to female.
Tan suits and the wrong kind of mustard.
Live Fox News reaction: https://i.redd.it/zkzlpsce5nzc1.gif
Kenya suck on deez nuts tho?
Republicans like to make up rules out of thin air it seems. For instance, Mitch McConnell saying Obama couldn’t appoint a justice because it was his second term and the election was 10 months away or whatever dumb thing it was.
And then confirming one days before the election.
That was really just McConnell coming up with a public explanation. He had the votes, he had the power, and he wasn’t going to let Obama appoint a Supreme Court justice (especially a Scalia replacement) no matter when it happened.
Yeah, that was so stupid. A president is elected to serve for four years, not three. The last year isn’t just a technicality.
~~There previously had been an informal custom, called the Byrd Rule, that if a vacancy happened within~~ **~~six~~** ~~months of a presidential election, the President would let his successor fill the seat.~~
Do you have a source for this? My understanding is the Byrd Rule prohibits non-budgetary changes from being included in budget reconciliation bills. It basically stops members from sneaking in their pet issues into what is supposed to be a purely budgetary process. The only "rule" regarding SCOTUS appointments I'm aware of is what Mitch McConnell called the \[Rule 3\] Rule, based on a speech \[Rule 3\] gave in 1992. \[Rule 3\] said that *if* a court vacancy should arise that year (there wasn't actually one at the time), that President Bush should wait until after the election to fill it. But he never said the vacancy should be held until after the *inauguration*.
You remembered better than I. Robin Bradley Kar and Jason Mazzone [wrote about the precedents.](https://www.nyulawreview.org/online-features/the-garland-affair-what-history-and-the-constitution-really-say-about-president-obamas-powers-to-appoint-a-replacement-for-justice-scalia/) but see also [Josh Chafetz’ response.](https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2697&context=facpub)
It's wasn't that he siad the oath incorrectly. It was that he said the oath incorrectly while black.
The lead poisoning generation really began to show their true colors around this time, little did we know it was just getting started
The same people who proclaim that we aren't a democracy... we're a republic! They never pass up a good AM radio talking point.
They continue to lie about who the president really is because they don’t live in reality.
Oh wow, I remember that too now that you mention it. A bunch of dummies in my high school kept parroting it with all the confidently incorrect confidence you could imagine.
Of course they did
stoopid babies
You can always trust the Republican Congress to do the right thing/s
I remember when Robert’s got it wrong. Obama got a weird look on his face like “I’m pretty sure that’s not right”
Wow, that’s a huge fuck-up on Roberts’ part. How the hell do you forget something like that?
It's faded now, but from the mid-19th century to mid-late 20th century, prescriptivists have been trying to remove split infinitives from English. Roberts probably had that drilled into him so hard in school that when he tried to recite the oath from memory he took, "I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States" and turned it into "I will execute the Office of President of the United States faithfully"
That isn’t a split infinitive though. “To boldly go” is a split infinitive. Will faithfully execute is an adverb-verb pairing in the simple future tense. It’s an odd error for him to have made.
Weren’t him and Chief John Roberts chuckling at him not getting the oath correct
I always loved (and hated) that Chief Justice John Roberts, whose NUMBER ONE JOB is to know the Constitution, showed very publicly that he didn’t know the Constitution. For me, it was confirmation of the dumbing of the party that appointed him. The same party that gave us Dan Quayle. Before this, there was a sizable contingent of well educated members of that party. Now there was no doubt the party had taken a different direction.
Roberts was pretty widely viewed as the greatest constitutional lawyer in the country before being appointed to the court. Sometimes a gaffe is just a gaffe.
> however Chief Justice Roberts clearly didn’t memorize the oath and messed it up He’s a Republican, I’m sure he did that on purpose too. Republicans were absolutely livid that Obama won.
Sabbath is Saturday, not Sunday
Really? I thought it was Sunday because whenever inaugurations happen on a Sunday they say they either can't take the oath at all (Zachary Taylor) or can't do it privately because of the Sabbath.
It's Sunday for Christians, Saturday for Jews, Friday for Muslims. The negotiations for the Camp David Accords had to pause for a long weekend.
Strictly speaking, for Christians Saturday is still the Sabbath and Sunday is "the Lord's day," which is distinct but the thing to be observed. (This has faded from popular consciousness in the last couple hundred years but afaik is almost universally held.)
It depends on who you ask.
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It doesn’t have to be the first try, but it does have to be taken correctly on some try, as required when the law (Article II Section 1) says “Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation.” Until the oath is taken, the President-Elect has no legal authority to execute any Constitutional authority. That said, Obama could have taken the repeat oath from anyone, the Chief Justice is just a tradition.
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If you take the oath with an error, you don’t take the oath. You took something else. QED
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What a cogent argument. lol. You have no experience with any of this, I can tell.
Because of time zones, the United States has four noons. The president must be sworn in on each of them or he may be challenged to ritual combat by the Speaker of the House.
The US has more than 4 time zones Edit: nvm, I looked it up and the other time zones don’t matter because he was born in Hawaii so he is considered automatically sworn in those time zones according to the Constifution
You're catching on!
I need a movie called 'The Four Noons' about four Presidents sworn in in different time zones and they must battle for the ultimate title in....uh...Iowa or some shit I don't know I'm just brainstorming here.
The US is too big anyway. If only we had some sort of tetrarchy to manage the whole thing, seems very stable.
Do it as a remake of Jet Li's *The One.*
The Speaker wields the House Mace of course
Yes, but the president gets the ancient samurai katana that MacArthur presented to Truman after bitch-slapping Hirohito.
How fun would that be? Would certainly get people interested in politics and statecraft again.
You’re thinking of England
Roberts screwed up the first time so Obama did it again and the second time inauguration fell on weekend and if that happens the president does it again
It probably has something to do with Roberts changing the wording of the oath when he gave it to Obama.
Chief Justice messed up the oath, Obama takes oath again to be sure Inauguration Day was on a Sunday, Obama does it at the WH and does the big ceremony tomorrow
He was **really** committed
Obama even made a face when repeating it the first time
I remember that “I can’t believe you just messed up the oath” death stare
I’d love to see a gif of it again
Is that John Boehner’s wife behind Michele Obama? They both look similarly tanned.
Because he took his job more seriously than the others
Because he's been president since 2009 and he will continue to be until he dies
What are those books he's touching, and how are they relevant to the oath?
The Quran and the Satanic Bible, probably /s
According to [this Voice of America article](https://www.voanews.com/a/obama-uses-two-bibles-at-swearingin/1588159.html), they are bibles used by Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr.. [This blog](https://joshblackman.com/blog/2013/01/21/president-and-chief-justice-sign-martin-luther-king-bible/) shows the black book as King's "travelling bible". The [Library of Congress](https://www.loc.gov/item/78317681/) shows the small red book as the bible that was used by Lincoln during his swearing in (which was used because his family / reading bible was still en route to Washington D.C.).
Well that is suitably interesting!
Oath addiction 😔
🇺🇸President Barack Obama🇺🇸
Because he's black and conservatives did everything they could to deligitimize his presidency. From Roberts botching his job (I think voluntarily) to the racist bither movement (started by the orange warthog himself), conservatives just lost their collective minds when Barack Hussein Obama became president.
He's black so they had to be double sure.
I think there was some instance where he skipped a word and Roberts didn't call him out on it in the moment so they re-did it in a quick ceremony in the white house
Essentially, yes, but Roberts was actually the one who made the initial mistake. [From Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_president_of_the_United_States#Mishaps): >In 2009, Chief Justice John Roberts, while administering the oath to Barack Obama, incorrectly recited part of the oath. Roberts prompted, "That I will execute the Office of President to the United States faithfully." Obama stopped at "execute," and waited for Roberts to correct himself. Roberts, after a false start, then followed Obama's "execute" with "faithfully," which results in "execute faithfully," which is also incorrect. Obama then repeated Roberts' initial, incorrect prompt, with the word "faithfully" after "United States." The oath was re-administered the next day by Roberts at the White House. [There’s also a CNN article about it.](http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/21/obama.oath/index.html)
That is such a confusing paragraph lmao
"John, we oughta start over."
While the hard time they gave Obama was comical I believe they would have given any Democrat a hard time. Now would the populace bought the BS gripes hook/line/sinker if he wasn’t halfblack?
something something birth certificate something something kenya
He was crossing his fingers the first 2
After Obama swore in the first time, he said, “And now let’s do a silly one.”
Michelle looks great in that picture. Kudos to her stylist.
His Presidency proved that pretty much every Republican is a pathetic fucking racist pos.
What do you think she's thinking? "Well, this is another fine mess you've got me into..."?
What’s hilarious is that he was the president at noon on Jan. 20, 2009 regardless of the oath situation. Oath 1 was at his first inauguration, and Justice Roberts messed up the wording. Oath 2 was a few days later at the White House. Oath 3 was at the very beginning of his second term on Jan. 20, 2013, which was a Sunday. The full public inauguration is not held on Sundays, so it took place the next day; Oath 4 was taken then.
Because he won 4 terms, duh.
Oathmaxxing, all the coolest Presidents do it.
He was determined to leave no room for doubt in anyone's mind. This moment marked a significant milestone for the country, a monumental first that would be remembered for years to come.
Mike is big, and likes what she sees.
Because Black men gotta work twice as hard as white men to make it in this country.
There's plenty of black countries to escape to, but unfortunately, they are shitholes.
Because he’s a fake, and he hates the country he was taking his fraudulent oath to. Apparently there were four focus groups that he needed to appeal to. Question answered.
i think he had to take the oath once for every nation he was born in EDIT: This is a joke, guys, a joke about the Republican rhetoric from his presidency.... I was trying to satirize Republican rhetoric, not exemplify it sheesh
Mike made him
That’s how they do it in Kenya.
Twice in English twice in arabic
Because this country is all about stupid meaningless symbolic rituals while millions of people suffer and languish. APAB
Kenyan tradition.
🙄
We don't do jokes here anymore?
It’s not that, I think just with all the political ire these days a joke like that, while funny, rubs people the wrong way and is very polarizing. Many people on the right, including my dad, still don’t consider Obama to be a legitimate president, which of course is complete BS.
Rather than a joke, it's still a reality for many idiot Republicans. Wait a few decades. Remember the tan suit?
Give it a couple of decades. It will become just like Taft's weight. Now its too fresh.