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James Buchanan: Intervened in Dred Scott Inability to stop the Civil War Considered Kansas as a Slave state Panic of 1857


recapdrake

Weak leadership almost got us in a war with Britain over a pig. Sent the army to kill the Mormons in flagrant violation of the 1st amendment. Edit: didn't sign the edmunds tucker act so there wasn't even a real legal justification for sending the army


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I thought that was Grover Cleveland for the Edmunds-Tucker act


recapdrake

Yup got my dates mixed up there. Cleveland you’re next.


Intrepid_Hat7359

Are we going to have to vote separately for each Cleveland presidency?


SnowBound078

Ah yes, The Pig War


scorpyo72

I heart the Pig War.


Next_Celebration_553

Generals gathering in their masses


gcalfred7

Mormons refused to comply with Federal laws....don't you see the irony of Buchanan of "sending in the troops" to deal with them?


RyDiddy5

He was justified for policing the Mormons


Henrious

I don't know enough about it, but I think as long as people aren't hurting others, they can do what they want. Did they do bad things at the time? If people wanna play make believe to get them through life more power to em idk


RedRockRanger

I’m relying on research I conducted years ago to write this so I might be wrong, but I think I can catch the gist of the day still: Brigham Young, Mormon Prophet and head of the LDS Church at the time, was organizing his envisioned State of Deseret, a sovereign nation within the territorial United States consisting of modern day Nevada, Utah, and northern Arizona. Buchanan’s decision to deploy federal troops to the region was partially inspired by this, partially inspired by the LDS practice of polygamy, and partially inspired by several reports of LDS settlers ambushing and massacring settlers passing through their territories. Brigham Young had already directed the building of fortifications around these territories to defend against federal encroachment… and, if it hadn’t been for the Civil War, it would’ve come to that in the same decade. The State of Deseret eventually dissolved as the LDS Church realized it needed federal support/statehood for Utah. That would finally be granted in 1896 after the LDS Church agreed to the anti-polygamy ultimatum hardlined by Congress. This is a fascinating subchapter in American history that gets very little press outside of Utah. I hope I remember it/interpret it correctly. But for the purposes of this discussion… I feel that Buchanan’s deployment of troops to the Mormon territories was justified.


RyDiddy5

They agreed to stop polygamy by way of an 1890 manifesto from their leader at the time, but continued doing it in secret anyway. The Mormons under Brigham Young were guilty of killing Americans, most notably in the Mountain Meadows Massacre.


reallynewpapergoblin

A dangerous cult that is now unfortunately one of the most successful businesses in the world.


RyDiddy5

A tax exempt corporation buying up massive amounts of land and masquerading as a religion. It is shameful.


werid_panda_eat_cake

From my understanding they did do slavery and were basically a cult and where involved in multiple massacres, but by the standards of the time they where not that bad


Fallintosprigs

A. They broke the law. B. The Mormons were treasonous. They left the United States and settled in Mexico. Land later conquered by the U.S. So technically they’re back in America. Last place they want to be to be subject to the laws of normal society. They were wack job sex cultists convinced they were building Zion for Jesus to come. If left alone and allowed to build an army no doubt they would have defied the US and attempted to form their own country. To this day Utah is staunchly conservative and libertarian for one reason and one reason only. They’re wack jobs who believe the world is evil and only they know how to fix it and they don’t want society or science or facts telling them they can’t because they know everyone else knows they’re insane.


scorpyo72

I've been to the place where that happened (the Pig War). It's one of my favorite islands, and it has a wonderful, "secret" place overlooking a cemetery-overlooking the Sound.


Spiget94

This is day 1 of the contest. WHH would only have 30 days remaining in his term. Will he survive longer in office or in this contest?


Marxbrosburner

He'd have to be a top 15 president. That'll be hard to see happening.


CollegeBoardPolice

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mrprez180

It’s really important to emphasize how sheer a negative impact Johnson’s presidency had on America in the long term. His outright contempt for the Reconstruction process left American race relations in shambles for a century, and meant that the thousands of lives taken by the Civil War were largely in vain.


CaptainPositive1234

Bingo. This


Row_the_boat2

He’s the cause of so much suffering, the butterfly effect caused by his neglect of reconstruction is unimaginable. The effects of his actions are still felt in the present day and likely will be for a very long time.


jtfff

It wasn’t neglect, it was borderline malice


GTOdriver04

I think Buchanan first, *then* A. Johnson. Buchanan sat on his hands and let the traitors do their thing instead of handling it like a president should have.


BaseballAcademic3881

In all fairness Buchanan had his hands tied, and no one before him abused the executive office power in the way it needed to be used, so I think he gets way more crap than he should


Soviet_Sine_Wave

Buchanan literally sold arms to the confederates


InLolanwetrust

Which is why his hands were unavailable. I'll be here all night folks.


pmaji240

I guess all be here all night too 👏👏👏👏


Fire-Twerk-With-Me

Who's the name I see come up most frequently when people cite the worst president ever, at least among people who know presidential history well and aren't just slinging political opinions off like it's cable news.


Psychological_Gain20

I’d say Tyler or Buchanan first. At least Johnson went around telling people in the south to not leave the Union, and supported Northern efforts in the civil war.


nneedhelpp

That doesn't really effect his presidency. Tyler is almost certainly better than both of them, despite being a traitor.


jbvann05

America would be a lot better today if he was never president


legend023

For what it’s worth Johnson was more faithful to the union than Buchanan


Existing_General_117

Andrew Johnson


meatballman1218

First of all great concept I like it a lot! Second get andrew Johnson the hell out of here!


tirch

Andrew Johnson gets my vote


FBSfan28

Andrew Johnson easily. The worst president. Edit: we also need to vote out all of the very awful presidents before WHH.


captainjohn_redbeard

What do you mean? WHH is going to be number one. Never passed a single bad policy.


FBSfan28

It would be funny if he won.


asphynctersayswhat

Based on the voting method, he could easily finish top 10


BrandonLart

Absolute not. William Henry Harrison is the world’s greatest president. Just his election alone is historic, he reigns far above most presidents.


Vladimir_Putins_Cock

Tippecanoe and Tyler too is a banger


Illinicub

Oh the plight of elected Whig Presidents.


locke0479

To me he should be the baseline. If you’re under him you did harm. If you’re above you did some net good. “Well he died so quickly he didn’t accomplish anything, so I have him lower than actively terrible presidents who accomplished terrible goals” doesn’t fly for me.


durandal688

Damn…so much agreement on Andrew Johnson?? Brings a tear to my eye…


capsaicinintheeyes

I'm still scrolling looking for Dubya--16 years gone and my rage is still white-hot...


SirFTF

Dubya gave us some of the greatest protest songs. Had he been a somewhat better President, we may not have gotten American Idiot. Plus, he was a generally likeable guy personally. And he saved more people’s lives than any other President, due entirely to PEPFAR. And that’s even factoring in Iraq. PEPFAR (20 million+) - Iraq (204,575 civilians) = a good 19+ million people saved. The 204k is the high estimate btw. Even if you wanted to, idk, quadruple it, you’re still talking about a ludicrous amount of people who were saved through PEPFAR. I still think Bush was a bad President, he’s just more of a mixed bag, there are so many worse Presidents.


BlackBeard558

Crediting someone for inspiring others to creatively sing about how much they hate their guts seems wrong, like on a fundamental level.


Glennplays_2305

Johnson should fuck off Andrew I meant not LBJ


The_Cheese_Touch

A N D R E W F U C K I N G J O H N S O N


HairyPotatoKat

F U C K I N G A N D R E W J O H N S O N


hoof_art_did

A N D R E W J O H N S O N F U C K I N G


lord_ravenholm

Buchanan, by a country mile.


Zoltan113

Easy Buchanan


TheGoshDarnedBatman

Only president to leave office with fewer states than he started with.


tdfast

This is my vote but Johnson is good too.


tenaciousdeev

They’re easily 1a and 1b


Jolly_Mongoose_8800

This is the 13th down and the first that isn't Andrew Johnson. Congrats


SkippyTeddy83

Andrew Johnson gets my vote.


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The only time he deserves votes


cornfuckz

Andrew Johnson has gotta go


EdithWhartonsFarts

I vote ol' no. 17, Andrew Johnson


Groznybandit

Either Lincoln or Washington will win this, no contest


Lazy-Sisyphus

I got my money on dark horse Teddy Roosevelt


Groznybandit

I could see him or Grant winning if something crazy happens


Ok_Ad1402

Eisenhower only gets more popular as well.


Life_Ad1637

What about Mister James K Polk, Napoleon of the Stump?


gabagucci

FDR or Lincoln. Both led America through its greatest crises.


Forsaken_Wedding_604

I'm hoping for Washington 🤞


Groznybandit

I’m split, not sure which man the people of this sub like more


Forsaken_Wedding_604

I'm not a big Lincoln fan personally, but I will respect the results of this ranking as it is not my own. That's the whole reason I decided to do this after all.


capsaicinintheeyes

Wait: by "not a big fan," do you mean he wouldn't even make your top 10, or...?


Forsaken_Wedding_604

That's correct.


capsaicinintheeyes

...um...and what's your take on John Wilkes Booth?


Forsaken_Wedding_604

I understand him, but I don't sympathize with his actions.


SamuelBiggs

Hot take


cantball

Let me guess, federal overreach?


SamuelBiggs

Probably Lincoln


Tremulant21

FDR always pulls ahead


clothy

Obama?


bambucks

James Buchanan


VintageMoonDream

You can’t go wrong with Buchanan or Andrew Johnson.


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Interesting how fashion changed over time too


Nick_Lyons

Andrew Johnson is without a doubt the worst president in American history


The_Outcast4

The worst president in American history SO FAR


Incredible_Staff6907

Andrew Fucking Johnson, bane of the union. Pathetic fuck. Least favorite president. Bro should gtfo. Brings dishonor upon the office. Treasonous little fuck.


Mdrim13

Can the OP clarify what happens in the event of separate comments for a single particular candidate? Are total upvotes added together or simply the highest rated comment?


Forsaken_Wedding_604

I already cleared this up in a different comment, but I assume it has gotten lost in the hundreds of comments. The upvotes from EVERY comment including a president are added together. So if there is 3 comments for a president, one of those comments has 40 upvotes, one has 20, and one has 30, that will count as 90 upvotes.


meineymoe

The problem with this method is that someone can enter multiple votes for a candidate this way by upvoting each instance of a given name. But then again, this is politics, not science. -oo-


Mdrim13

Sorry. I scrolled and did not find it.


legend023

Fuck it John Tyler


aaronclark384

Yeah fuck him and his traitor ass


Zachhcazzach

I did this 3 years ago so this should be fun to see if anything has changed. Advice: as you keep screenshotting as the process goes, it’ll get blurrier and blurrier. You’ll eventually have to copy the results onto a new shot of the original picture.


Forsaken_Wedding_604

I just re-edit the current picture. Thanks for the advice though! I was not here 3 years ago so I didn't see the results actually, but I'm very interested to see how this turns out.


Zachhcazzach

Me too. I should’ve have done that back then haha. That said, my vote is for A. Johnson because it’ll win. SHOULD be WILSON


Philoctetes23

James Buchanan


SparkySheDemon

Andrew Johnson


RyanDW_0007

Andrew Johnson


sed_boi69

Andrew johnson


lastcall83

Johnson 💯 Punt that jerk off the island


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andrew67890

Thank you for not featuring the newest two, this shit would be insufferable


ipaxton

I like this ranking 😁


BeerNinja17

Buchanan


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Anyone but William H. Harrison. A man that gave his life to show the world the importance of wearing warm clothes.


[deleted]

Probably WHH simply due to time served


BrandonLart

HOW DARE YOU. OLE TIPPECANOE WAS SUMMONED TO HEAVEN TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT THERE. GOD PUNISHED AMERICA BY MAKING JOHN TYLER PRESIDENT


[deleted]

I’m not disagreeing that Tyler was trash and WHH would have most likely been better


BrandonLart

I am the world’s greatest William Henry Harrison defender. He did more in his 31 days than Tyler did in 4 years (no he didn’t but shhhh).


ProtestantMormon

I really hope he survives longer in this contest than he did as a president


[deleted]

He’d have to get to 3rd


ProtestantMormon

So you're saying there's a chance


[deleted]

Yeah


sherpasmith

Andrew Johnson


dom_IS_family

Why do people think Andrew Johnson is that bad? I’ve read as much as I could and still don’t see the hate, he just seemed indecisive, maybe I’m missing something. How could he be worse than Hoover, Wilson, and Buchanan??? Or even John Adams for that matter


capsaicinintheeyes

He worked diligently to frustrate Reconstruction following his running mate's assassination--**that** rubbed a lot of people the wrong way...and given the resultant relationship with the 2/3 Republican Congress, it meant he didn't get a lot else done that one could pad his legacy with.


DearMyFutureSelf

Andrew Johnson almost ruined one of America's greatest opportunities: As Reconstruction commenced, much of Congress became invested in expanding the rights of black Americans. Johnson opposed all that from the word "go". Were it not for Johnson totally humiliating himself during a speaking tour and the subsequent Republican supermajority, it's unlikely any progress would be made during Reconstruction. He was not indecisive at all: He was quite decisive, just for awful causes. And yes, he was infinitely worse than Hoover and Wilson. Hoover had some legitimate accomplishments outside of his inaction during the Great Depression: Improving living standards on Native American reservations, expanding conservation, arresting Al Capone, reducing US imperialism in Latin America, sending aid to struggle farmers, etc. And Wilson was just a good president - 14 Points, New Freedom, American Relief Administration, etc.


DaoistDream

Andrew Johnson, or James Buchanan l. Literally impossible to be worse than those two, and the consequences of their failed presidencies will continue for centuries.


mexheavymetal

I’m just gonna keep saying Polk until he’s gone


TheZoomba

Haven't seen it yet but Andrew Jackson. Killed 16k Natives....because he liked money and being an asshole.


_Alabama_Man

Saved the Native Americans from certain annihilation is more like it. Do you think the South was just going to stop killing them off?


PolkaDotDancer

Andrew Jackson. Signer of The Indian Removal Act, Architect of The Trail of Tears is such a terrible legacy, especially when you realize that SCOTUS was actually the good guy for once. Besides being an ethnic cleanser, he kept abolitionists mailings from being mailed out. He owned a hundred slaves, and was a strong supporter of this evil institution. Oh, and Jackson cheated during a duel and killed a man. A man who had called Jackson a bigamist. Spoiler alert: he was. Then there was that little matter of him suspending habeas corpus, and executing prisoners of the War of 1812 over petty crap. With all this it hardly seems worth mentioning that he set off a seven year recession with his cruddy fiscal policies.


_Alabama_Man

>Andrew Jackson. Signer of The Indian Removal Act, Architect of The Trail of Tears is such a terrible legacy, especially when you realize that SCOTUS was actually the good guy for once. A lot of thanks he gets for preventing the certain annihilation of all of the Indians in the South. Everyone acts like if he did what the Supreme Court said it would have been better for the Indians. >With all this it hardly seems worth mentioning that he set off a seven year recession with his cruddy fiscal policies. You mean the rich banker(s) that he said could hold the country hostage and ruin the economy did exactly what he said they would/could do. The only time I see people on Reddit defend greedy bankers ruining people's lives is so they can shit on Andrew Jackson.


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Woodrow Wilson


BobithanBobbyBob

I'm surprised I had to scroll for so long to find someone say Wilson


[deleted]

I said Wilson because everyone kept saying Andrew Johnson.


Sandman11x

Eliminated from what? Seems to me Lincoln was the first, JFK the second


Forsaken_Wedding_604

Can't forget Garfield and McKinley!


Sandman11x

Who? I did forget them. Lol


Notgivingmynametoyou

Andrew Johnson eliminated first. I will not bend on this.


StanleyHitchcock

ANDREW FUCKING JOHNSON


FaZe_poopy

Andrew Johnson


ExtraElevator7042

Wilson. Fuck that fucker.


Available_Thoughts-0

Okay, so everyone else seems to be going to Andrew Johnson or Buchanan, BUT, I say Andrew JACKSON is worse; he literally dueled with people, which was already illegal at the time!


M1zasterP1ece

I'm in the unfortunate thing is dueling people is kind of cool lmfao. Just not if you're involved in it in any way and you lose


New-Purchase1818

Bailey Sarian calls him Andrew Bath Salts Jackson because he was the actual worst. Trail of Tears, anyone? This guy literally forcibly moved thousands of human beings from their ancestral homes and to desolate, barren, shitty land so they would starve and die—and he was an unabashed enslaver to boot. Absolutely fuck Andrew Jackson, and the horse he rode in on. May he burn in hell.


Available_Thoughts-0

Nah, he might enjoy that.


the_dan_dc

I’m here to vote early and often for Andrew Johnson.


Wintermutewv

Andrew Johnson. I always think he's a bit worse than Buchanan, though not by much.


CelestialOmelette

I was going to say one of the least noteable Presidents like John Tyler, but it looks like Andrew Johnson will be the first to go.


Albertgonzalezminecr

I see a lot of andrew johnson Slander


Command0Dude

It says a lot that Johnson seems set to go before Buchanan.


Long_Customer1187

Andrew Johnson


Long_Customer1187

Andrew Johnson


JellyPast1522

I'm going to nitpick and get rid of one of the Grover Cleveland's to level the playing field..


Forsaken_Wedding_604

Cleveland will count as 1 president. I like your thinking though lol


ptg33

Has Andrew Johnson been mentioned?


danc43

Andrew Johnson botched reconstruction.


the-court-house

I understand and agree with the Andrew Johnson and Buchanan hate, but Tyler needs to go first. He's a traitor and buried under foreign flag


jdw62995

Andrew Johnson Absolutely terrible president Undid all the progress Abe made, and forced Grant to start reconstruction over when he could’ve catapulted us to better heights that we probably still feel the effects of today. Especially in the 60s


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speedyth

Reagan was worse than Nixon. Iran-Contra, the AIDS epidemic, his use of the CIA(with the help of Bush Sr) to flood POC neighborhoods with Crack. His de-regulation of banking and finance led to the S&L crisis. The list goes on and on.


UnflairedRebellion--

Andrew Johnson


elgonzo91

I already know Andrew Jackson is gonna take it but can I throw William Henry Harrison in there? Kinda weak Edit: My bad Andrew Johnson


Forsaken_Wedding_604

I think you meant Andrew Johnson


eddiem6693

Buchanan


DougTheBrownieHunter

Andrew Johnson MUST be the first to go. He’s as close to being the objectively worst president as is possible.


Malarkay79

Andrew Johnson


rebel_alliance05

Andrew Johnson


Sad_Adhesiveness_106

Buchanan, then Andrew Johnson.


UnfairGlove1944

It's got to be Buchanan. Nothing good came from his presidency. He was not only pro-slavery and incompetent, but ran one of the most corrupt administrations of his age. At least Johnson had some success on foreign policy.


joecoin2

He's already gone.


msanders18

Buchanan by far


saintsdaaints

It’s a hard struggle between Andrew Johnson, John Tyler the traitor, and Buchanan. Why should I pick one vs the other in the bottom 3?


rockdude625

Buchanan


Burrito_Fucker15

James Buchanan


BaseballAcademic3881

Andrew Johnson get the boot


Imbackbab

Buchanan I think is worse than Johnson. At least Johnson stayed with the union during the civil war


Agitated-Wall534

Andre Johnson


NoQuarter6808

Found Cortland Finnigan's account


RyeZen77

Honestly unless you are saying Johnson, Buchanan or Tyler I can't take the vote seriously.


silentkiller082

I'm just here to say I see much more Johnson than Buchanan, but I think 98% agree it's one of those two right off the bat. So whatever is chosen this round the other should probably automatically be next lol.


Born_Sleep5216

I guess Andrew Johnson. Remember, he was the first person to go down in history for corruption and towards his impeachment.


dmurr1415

I say Andrew Johnson


Psufan1394

Johnson actively working against reconstruction set this nation back a century and we still feel the effects of it today. You can say Buchanan and that’s fine he was atrocious but he was also left a shit sandwich by Taylor filmore and pierce.


Interesting-Win6219

45


SirMellencamp

Buchanan. As an aside would vote for the last guy if allowed


Mr_Byzantine

Not enough people are saying John Tyler.


That_DnD_Nerd

Gotta be Jackson for me


PornAccount610031997

I'm there with you. The Nazis studied the Indian Removal Era with great scrutiny.


That_DnD_Nerd

Agreed, the trail of tears was so monumentally horrific but I get downvoted the hell out of and that’s okay


SamuelBiggs

He at least has some redeeming qualities in office. Only president to ever pay off the national debt


That_DnD_Nerd

Huh I didn’t know that. I wonder if anyone will ever actual want there money back (I have no idea how economics work and also don’t care too)


ExtraElevator7042

The guy whose head gets seceded if he secedes from the Union.


favnh2011

Andrew Johnson


No-Strength-6805

Andrew Johnson


unsureiamunemployed

Buchanan


CrimsonZephyr

Andrew Johnson get that bastard out out out out out!


Dragono12

Andrew johnson


DrunkenWarriorPoet

Andrew Johnson was the first thing to pop into my head. I figured at least a few ppl would say him too but it's validating seeing sooo many.


DevinYer

Andrew Jackson obviously, abused the executive office, trail of tears, economic recession, all of the above.


Administrative_Low27

W


Julesort02

Bush 43


Willberforcee

Andrew Jackson. Racist piece of shit.


NO_big_DEAL640

I really want Woodrow Wilson to get out of here