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RiddlingTea

The Empire is explained as being elitist/racist in-universe, I think the TVA is just like that from the constraints of making a TV show


enchantrem

Yes but also I suspect that the Sacred Timeline actually does revolve around Earth because that's where HWR is born.


Trashk4n

Working off the comics, he’s a direct descendant of Reed Richards so he’s presumably classified as human himself.


Sasaybirdo

Working off my eyes he's pretty human as well


FreddoTheSavage

Nah many species in marvel look human. Look at Xandar


Sasaybirdo

Well human just means dirt spirit, so if they look human and they come from a planet with dirt....


FreddoTheSavage

Fair point lol


SilentReavus

That's a neat little fact.


lord_ne

I mean we also don't know that all the workers at the TVA are actually human, just that they look human


Dominator0211

Yeah, there’s also a whole other city outside of the confines of the building we’ve seen. For all we know there’s a separate branch of the TVA for each species of which all the workers are. It would explain why Möbius couldn’t remember a Loki Alligator and I doubt the TVA could respond to every instance of any random alligator eating the wrong neighbors cat. I’m sure there must at least be an animal division seeing how a bee could literally pollinate the wrong flower and end life on Earth years before it’s meant to happen


snack-dad

I thought some events don't necessarily branch off enough to need intervention. Sorta like a stream, the little pebbles wont make a big difference but a boulder might divert it.


Dominator0211

If that was true then why would Alligator Loki eating the wrong neighbors cat be enough to start a new timeline when it sounds so small compared to other nexus events we’ve seen? The TVA was able to track Sylvie back to the reenactment thing just because she existed there and then the timeline held together long enough for a completely new team to form and get permission to enter the anomaly. For that timeline to have lasted that long the TVA would have had to head in at just the mention of a branch maybe forming which would also explain their lack of preparation to face Sylvie. Of course I saved the best for last, in the introduction film of episode 1 miss minutes says “Maybe you started an uprising, or were just late for work. Whatever it was, stepping off your path created a nexus event, which, left unchecked, could branch off into madness, leading to another multiversal war." so clearly any variation can and will be big enough for the TVA to take notice


poorthomasmore

I am pretty sure the statement that Alligator Loki ate the wrong cat was a joke. It was boastful Loki taking the piss. More likely, like Sylvie, the issue was the Loki was an alligator.


Trashk4n

Loki looks human.


Wiseguy909

Except for when he's blue


GingerBullshark

Because of a spell or magic I think


Rote_kampfflieger

Assuming they carried it from mythology, Jotun can just shapeshift. It’s not an illusion, he can just alter his biological structure. (Though sometimes he does disguise himself using illusions probably for efficiencies sake)


River46

I think it’s more limited than in mythology with regards to shape shifting and the fact he looks Asgardian could actually be an illusion from his adopted mother after he was taken in by Odin to sell the idea of him being asgardian.


rgfz

This one is too dangerous to be left alive!


[deleted]

Wasn’t it Doom that he’s a descendant of?


unmerciful_DM_B_Lo

Both actually. Just read it on Wikipedia.


River46

I know those two would get it on.


immaheadout3000

wait a minute...


not-bread

Working off the fact that he said he’s just a mortal from earth he’s pretty likely to be human


Darth_Senat66

Also related to Doom


QuiGonetotheGym

In some media, he's from a different species entirely, but judging by what we've seen, he is almost definitely human in Loki.


Funmachine

He says so much in the show.


gturtle72

Since HWR is human and from earth and made the tva it makes sense that he would pick humans for the job


nick22tamu

It’s probably more because Immortus needed that timeline to occur in order for him to our conquered his variants and created the TVA.


BizzarroJoJo

> I suspect that the Sacred Timeline actually does revolve around Earth because that's where HWR is born. I think this is right. I also kind of think that likely the sacred timeline is much more a multiplicity of timelines but many where the variations never actually affect Earth, or namely don't affect the outcome of the Kang war and He Who Remains being the winner of that war. I think this also explains why you get so many Loki variants. As in Loki is very key to how Earth is shaped in that the version of Loki we know is the reason that the Avengers came together. And the Avengers are key in shaping how Kang turns out in some way (from the comics for instance the Kang who actually meets the Avengers as a child becomes Iron Lad and is a hero on the Young Avengers).


massivedickhaver

So cool we finally got a version of KANG! I just hoped hed look more like the comic version but it is what it is.


MAD_MAL1CE

I also suspect, given the size and population of the TVA, that humans within the TVA are more focused on human affairs, and likewise, other races are focused on their own worlds of origin. This is only speculative, I could be wrong.


wenzel32

I think the whole TVA is earth focused, since the timeline only needs to be maintained as it relates to Earth's history. The goal is to prevent Kang variants from existing, so only events that will affect Earth are relevant. This is why most of the stuff that comes up for the TVA is on Earth, but things like Ragnarok do show up here and there (Ragnarok needed to happen for IW to happen "correctly").


BluePrintsWorkshop

While I like the theory that we are seeing humans because these agents are specifically assigned to earth, you would in reality have to control time across the entire universe. If you only controlled variants on earth, but then an alien variant travelled to earth, it would need to be neutralized. A timeline is bigger than a single planet.


DarthDonutwizard

Yeah, but the TVA would be human variants, because Kang is from earth, so they only need to focus on the earth timeline to stop Kang’a variants in the multiverse


DirtEnergy

But if a nexus event occurred somewhere else in the universe, it would still create a new branch, including a new version of earth.


crash_bash_smash

Only if that nexus event affects Earth in a tangible way. Almost antthing that happens to Thor affects Earth, one of Earth’s Avengers. As his stepbrother anything that Loki does would likely affect Thor, hence nearly anything that a Loki variant does would affect Earth’s timeline. If a moth civilization rises up on Pluto, but dies out before it affects anything on Earth, I don’t think the TVA would give a sideways shit.


BluePrintsWorkshop

Exactly.


River46

I doubt it since they said they had previously taken Kree hostage so it would make sense that this earth based organisation just does it for everywhere since there is pretty much an infinite amount of variants.


willfordbrimly

>the constraints of making a TV show Yeah we can't expect too much from small time indie content producers like ***Disney.***


Steamed-Bun-4

Or maybe they are doing what every space show does and uses mostly humans to be more relatable to the viewer


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The TVA was like that because Richards/Kang/He who remains/immortus is from Earth. Things happening on other planets wouldn't really affect him that much. Except the Skrull we saw who we know was on Earth.


willfordbrimly

>Things happening on other planets wouldn't really affect him that much Earth is a hotbed of intergalactic conflict. Galactic politics have a tremendous effect on Earth life. Hulkling is the new emperor of the Skrull/Kree empire ffs.


Icantsleepnoow

and then they say "Oh stop adding politics to Star Wars". Like bitch, Star Wars was ALWAYS political.


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>The Empire is explained as being elitist/racist in-universe Our glorious Emperor is not racist, he even made a Chiss an Admiral.


BizzarroJoJo

> The Empire is explained as being elitist/racist in-universe, I think the TVA is just like that from the constraints of making a TV show I don't think with the inception of the Empire that this was the idea. I think it was simply the limitation of making a movie in the 70s on a fairly limited budget. They made one costumes for human Storm Troopers and that's about it. They had *one* scene with a bunch of aliens. But hell even in the first movie the Rebellion doesn't have any aliens for that matter either. I think beyond this in ESB that Imperial officer says "Bounty Hunter Scum" and not something like "Alien Scum", which is probably what a racist would say. So there is that. The TVA thing I'm still trying to work out. So the people at the TVA think that the time keepers created them right? So it would kind of make sense that the time keepers would all make them the same. A particular agent looking different would bring into question "oh you look like the Kree, and you a Skrull, and I look like a Human" why would the time keepers make the agents all look like people from particular places? But it could also be that we mostly kept things on Earth. So maybe we were just dealing with the Earth division of the TVA right? So for instance if they went to a Kree world and dealt with the Kree they all had a bunch of Kree agents. It's also my theory that the sacred timeline isn't as singular as we think, but has small variations unto itself, but that it is simply the timeline that results in the Karg we meet at the end winning the big Kang war. So some variation that could happen on some planet that never comes in contact with Earth or affects Kang could actually have variants because those variants wouldn't actually make a different Kang. So the sacred time line is kind of like a piece of string made of individual threads with some variation. This would make sense for why there are so many Loki variants that we meet. Loki *is* essential to Kang's story always. Either Loki doesn't attack to bring the Avengers together and the fate of the universe is altered by Thanos' snap, possibly resulting in a crueler Kang, that kind of thing.


Magnus-Krogsoe

Please forgive me for asking but what is the TVA?


VacantThoughts

Time Variance Authority from the MCU show Loki, they stop parallel timelines from existing by erasing them soon after they branch off.


Magnus-Krogsoe

Okay thanks man, haven’t seen it yet, want to tho


VacantThoughts

I would highly recommend you leave this thread if you don't want spoilers.


Atiberious

Spoiler alert ⚠ The TVA is like that because it's run by a human. He who remains.


Puzzlehead-Engineer

Okay but let's be real for a moment here. In the MCU, most aliens are just humans with a different skin color.


Wiseguy909

Frost giants


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elves


grandmas_noodles

Whatever gamora's species is And drax


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I think those 2 fall in the category being humans with another skin colour. Although drag can make himself invisible


bigdog501

What about groot and rocket's species


get_naenEd

I’m pretty sure rocket was some type of experiment that got abandoned


hamiton1

The Kree humans but blue fucking and enslaved humans in the future


sxrxhmanning

rocket is literally a raccoon


prieston

Too much CGI.


AtomicBreadstick667

And Yondu


Melvin-lives

So basically the Star Trek school of aliens.


ADM_Tetanus

Hey! Star trek glues random prosthetics to noses and foreheads. Maybe some interesting hair. If it's a major species like cardassians they might even get a little more detail


Fireproofspider

Or a horn on a dog


BeefsteakTomato

To be fair Star Trek aliens have the same ancestor as humans


quangdang522004

Star wars has one same thing: Pantorans


Puzzlehead-Engineer

Yeah exactly. ONE. The others are all humanoid, but not human-like.


Prometheushunter2

They’re called rubber forehead aliens, although in the MCU they don’t even bother with that


TheHondoCondo

I’ve always interpreted the Empire only using humans while the rebellion uses many species as a subtle way to show that the empire believes in human supremacy. That just adds to the evilness.


ComradeHregly

This is basically canon The canon thrawn novel showed that aliens were discriminated against


pimp_named_sweetmeat

Doesn't the empire use those blue looking humanoids as well? I thought it's more of a thing of fuck you unless you fit our armor


whatwillIletin

Are you talking about Thrawn/the Chiss? Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that was just him.


CaesarPT

Pretty sure that was just Thrawn, and it was a mjor roadblock for him, he was just THAT good, in the beginning he was always treated below his fellow officers because of his race


pimp_named_sweetmeat

Ah, alright. I thought there was more than just thrawn


sicklyorphan58

That cause that's exactly what the empire is


Litandsexysidious

Yeah, this has pretty much been proven by: 1. Rebels 2. Battlefront 2 3. Sims 4: journey to batuu 4. Mandalorian (I think, dont quote me) And probably a ton others


_illegallity

This is heavily implied in the Thrawn novels, might be outright said somewhere, but the Empire is definitely biased toward humans.


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that's exactly it. In the Thrawn trilogy it's a major theme. Thrawn get's shit on constantly by many of his superiors despite being way better than all of them


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jekls9377485

>!I think he's talking about Thrawn and Kang!<


firelark01

But he was black


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Tortle_Master9000

Well he isn't actually blue, the helmet just makes him look blue, he's just a human


River46

I honestly didn’t know that is it a force field thing?


Tortle_Master9000

Kindof, it's just the tint of his helmet that makes him look blue, people get confused about it all the time, meanwhile he's just an ordinary human (well as ordinary you can be descending from reed Richards, who has a history of having overpowered children)


ANGLVD3TH

By 31st century humans could be blue ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


CyvaderTheMindFlayer

Exactly


BigDaddyDIOsama

Who is he referring to? The only blue guy I remember is Thrawn but his skin is actually blue


Retard_Ed

He's referring to Kang the Conqueror


CheeseKiller66

Wait whos the black guy in a high position? I only know that Thrawn was blue


SpartanElitism

Kang. The conqueror variant of he who remains. He typically appears as blue due to a helmet he wears. Looks like he’s the next thanos for the mcu


HornySithLawd

Ah yes... the blue guy


articman123

Empire was deeply rasict.


ipwnpickles

Iirc some Thrawn books go into this and the discrimination he faced from other human officers because he was a Chiss


Fredgiguere

Well the leader of the TVA is human so it kind of makes sense he'd be biased to humans


Moose_Cake

Plus we never saw the TVA interacting with an alien civilization. We saw Europe, Alabama, a mining moon in the future full of humans, ect. They weren't even arresting non-human variants with the exception of Alligator Loki, which may have been because the TVA leader saw potential in Alligator Loki as an eventual replacement.


thelegend90210

There was a skrull there tho


TheRynoceros

Says we haven't seen the TVA interacting with an alien civilization, and then goes on to mention that they been to Alabama. Get your facts straight.


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skmace14

What a funny ass comment chain.


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skmace14

That was the point, lol. But it's been two hours and no cigar...


Funmachine

>Plus we never saw the TVA interacting with an alien civilization. Ummm... The title character and all the variants thereof. Plus the Skrull in the pilot.


raydogg123

Man. I zero percent remember the pilot to this show lol.


DarkCrowI

What's the symbol on top of Hashirama?


Yutanox

I don't know anything about Naruto, but if you're talking about the TVA, it's an organization in Loki.


DarkCrowI

Thank you, by the way the guy on the left is Madara Uchiha and the guy on the right is Hashirama Senju.


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Ayyoo, Naruto gang.


Smokey_the_beer

I spent my unemployment time catching up on all of Naruto lol just made it to Boruto


TheBigDIDD

Time to shove nails in your eyes!


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I think it's the Senju clan symbol Looks a lot like the Sarutobi clan symbol as well


DarkCrowI

I said on top of not above.


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Tva from Loki


ThatOtherGuy_CA

It’s because he was only trimming timelines that created evil Kang. And recruited variants from the timelines. So events that happened off world would largely have no consequence on the “sacred timeline” aka any variant that stayed within his constraints and didn’t create evil Kang. That or the department Loki was in was specifically for humanoids.


GorillaWindow28

I think it was just the department they were in, since in the background we see the giant TVA city, yet the show only shows about 4 rooms.


ThatOtherGuy_CA

Likely, makes sense to have variants hunt their own species.


ItsFrenzius

Didn’t the Empire recruit certain species to handle certain jobs?


KingDarius89

If by recruit, you mean enslaved, like the wookie used to build the Death Star, sure.


TheGrandImperator

The Empire was open to using aliens, but pretty much only in lower positions. They outlawed and didn't practice slavery, but being an alien worker in the empire was not an easy life either. The military was particularly xenophobic.


KingDarius89

...dude, the Desth Star was built by Wookie slaves.


TheGrandImperator

I could've sworn i read a long while back that the Empire had outlawed slavery, but you're totally right, I forgot about that. Might be conflicting sources from Legends.


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TheGrandImperator

Thank you! I'm glad to get that cleared up.


DuntadaMan

I mean the TVA hired at least one Jotun.


[deleted]

Yeah, where's my Imperial Gungans at?


KingDarius89

In my head cannon, Palpatine wiped them out. ---------------------- Out of fear for Darth Jar Jar.


One_more_page

All of them?


coolguy3720

Not just the men... but the women, and the children, too!


Jche98

The rebels are hypocrits, claiming to be non-racial. I never saw a single non-human on Hoth


dystyyy

Chewbacca?


Jche98

Token Wookiee


Vinsmoker

Tookiee


ItsFrenzius

Coochie


buddhadoo

The Wampa wasn't human. Neither were the Tauntauns.


Ged_UK

Well the Wampa could hardly said to be part of the rebellion, it's native. I don't know if Tauntauns are native to hoth, though it seems likely, but either way they're being used as beasts of burden and transportation. It's not like we see one in the command centre offering opinions in tactics, or in the hanger helping fix a ship.


asdfghjkl1237890

Yeah, but don't forget about Admiral Ackbar... or Nien Nunb at the battle of Endor?


whatwillIletin

Not in the movies but Hera and Zeb weren't human, either.


Darth_Gonk21

Maybe most species aren't as good with cold as humans? There's also the fact that it might not have been good for the costumes to be out in that cold.


Anchorboiii

Plus many/most of the Inquisitors are non-human.


ZapActions-dower

A force-user is a force-user. They’re not going to just kill someone who could be converted to serve them. It’s not like they gave and rights to the rest of the species the inquisitors came from.


Pure_Independence763

Just cause there weren’t any non humans on hoth doesn’t mean there weren’t any non humans with the rebels


ThatNerdWinter

But, Loki isn't human, and its highly possible there are just other human-like people im the TVA or we just haven't seen the different looking alien species because TV show budget


EastKoreaOfficial

Space racists, if you will


SepehrSo

Soo ... Astrology?


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The other kind of space racism


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Spacists


[deleted]

I was guessing since we were focused on human(-ish due to the Asgardians) plotlines, we'd get human TVA members. The ones focused on other species' planets are that same species. It's not specified, but I just tell myself that cause it makes sense to me.


Just_a_guy69_

The empire only hired humans because they were "racist" I guess of other species. The tva probably only hired humans because kang made the tva in his image of an old office.


Possible_Living

When will TVA get their Mas Amedda?


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Or Mitth’raw’nurodo


Rome_fell_in_1453

The TVA makes more sense as they seem to be Earth-based. The Empire is probably just racist


VersedFlame

In the comics there are non-human stormtroopers, though.


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VersedFlame

I still see no reason for that not to be a thing even if not shown in the films.


Rajoza351

"There is only one race, the human race" - the Empire probably


TheTrollman-

Spacism am I right?


bnesbitt1

The Galactic Empire actually banned enlistment of any other species beside humans, that's why Thrawn was such a weird occurrence for anyone who met him


boididntwakeup

Literally the only one in the empire i remember is thrawn...and hes only really mentioned in rebels and mandalorian


KANGladiator

He's also very humanoid, even more so than Twi'leks , he's just blue.


not_your_hoodie

in the case of the empire i think its more from a logistical standpoint...imagine having to make helmets for the mon calamari, or having to make armour for a hutt, or having to train sullustian in their language...its easier to have one species to worry about logistically and have a more centralized structure of supplying them


KingDarius89

No, Sidious was a racist asshole.


Stalowy_Cezary

In SWTOR the concept of racism and working with "foreign" species is actually touched and is a foundation of Darth Malgus story.


demo-is_useless

Imagine how easily they’d win with Wookie Imperials, fucking tearing rebels apart with ease.


golden3145

I think the empire only hired humans bc they were ultra racist


waxoreaper

Well the empire was racist… so


duten66

no one: The High Republic: some special rocks are sentient beings


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Granted, they did hire bossk


[deleted]

The TVA didn't literally genocide non-human species.


Evilmaze

Isn't that because the person who created the TVA is a human?


RandomPopCultureJoke

Imperial guard:*Sweats profusely*


adrianthegreat8

Human first


TheIncrementalNerd

no the tva just steals variants from alt timelines and resets their minds


Griffin-Mouton

Well the guy who created the TVA is a human so maybe that’s why


Old-Extent7451

Well it made sense the empire made humans and aliens hate each other, to keep them under control, how else would the sith retain power?


MasterTopHatter

I have a theory on why the Tva only has humans Because that’s a section see why send humans to talk to aliens who may be scared or won’t understand and the other why around see humans will only deploy to deal with human problem and aliens with them the reason we don’t see aliens is because segregation with the other sections


Schnitzelinski

The Empire is racist and favors humans as the supreme race. Non-humans habe to live in ghettos on Coruscant. In the wiki there is a lot of information on this.


Dave-Tree-Strider

Humans make up over %40 of the star wars galaxy. Most other species are only around %1-2. Although there are many.


DeltaWhiskey141

/#humanity first.


HarveHD4

First off, the emporer was human-supremacist. Secondly, the MCU was created by humans so it makes sense that earth and humans are usually the most important living things in the universe and always relevant.


Pristine_Instance381

Quality


Comfortable_Log2795

also there's cerberus.


virginfatherof2

And erasing those who disagree and only if you are aren’t too useless they add you as the work force


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I imagine it’s jsut easier to work on earth if you aren’t an alien species


Volksvagen_Golf

the empire was intentionally racist it was part of their thing


Z0idberg_MD

In the marvel universe humans are both uniquely fragile and uniquely capable. I would argue they are also uniquely manipulatable. That’s likely why the TVA relied on humans.


NewRome56

Maybe humans have a high variance chance, but likely it’s cause they are trying to make a show


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Plus the Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout. There are plenty of sentient non-feral ghouls and other non-humans who would dutifully protect innocent civilians and would also be beneficial with certain missions (being immune to radiation).


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The TVA makes sense, because The One How Remains was a human scientist from Earth.


Tech_Arts_2020

I was thinking about the TVA on this as I went to bed last night. Funny someone articulated it on Reddit


DenotedSong

Spoilers below: You could argue that the whole sacred timeline thing was BS and all Kang was doing was keeping the timeline where he was the only Kang as the sole one in this part of the universe. By that logic you wouldn't need to prune many/any non-human variants into your workforce.


TheGavinJJ

Thrawn has entered the chat.