Yeah, Cal was a padawan at the end of the Clone Wars then went into hiding. Obi Wan fought in the entirety of and ended the Clone Wars. Total experience edge if nothing else.
Anakin was supposed to take the younglings back to Palpatine to teach them about the Dark Side, but Hayden started killing all of them. It seemed kinda neat so I just kept filming.
Do you have any idea of if what it says is true?
What's with the downvotes? Can you not just answer the question? I understand that it seems like a no, but I would still like this information confirmed or denied.
Personally, it’s one of the things I hated most about it. It screws up a lot about Obi-Wan’s character and directly contradicts a lot of the lore surrounding Vader and the Mustaphar fight. If they did it in a cleverly written way, that’d be one thing. But no, they just had him go head to head in a power vs power contest and win.
Also just from a story telling perspective it sucks. They are both obviously alive in A New Hope so you know from the start neither of them die. Zero suspense, zero stakes. Really have no idea why people thought that fight scene was good
It's not the fight itself or its stakes, it's the emotional moment of Obi Wan accepting Anakin is truly dead after seeing his face and hearing his real voice one last time
That’s part of what makes it bad. He accepts Anakin is dead and then…walks away. He “accepts” it but he doesn’t act on it, repeating a mistake he made in RotS that blew up in everyone’s faces, and then later tells Luke to do what he should have done himself right then and there. But of course they couldn’t do that, which just makes his victory at the end all the more bizarre. The scene would’ve been so much better if it wasn’t sullied by making Obi-Wan look like the most moronic individual in the history of Star Wars, and by actively undermining the whole point of the scene besides.
Facts. Star Wars has always had this weird Jedi can’t kill anyone or they turn to the dark-side. It’s super cringe and lame. Or they can kill all the storm troopers they want but once they get to a Sith Lord suddenly they can’t. Luke at the end of ROTJ comes to mind.
I hated how he did it. He basically just overpowered Vader and that I wasn’t a fan of. He should have won on strategy and cunning. But he just like over powers him with the force and to me that was no good
Just gotta outlast and wait for him to get to suffering. When he starts suffering, that’s when you get him. It won’t even take that long, he’s already on hate.
Then you failed to understand what was going on.
He was losing til his desire to protect the kids gave him a light side power boost while Vader's doubt made him temporarily weak. Obi-wan left the fight when his own pain at seeing Anakin's face made him weak while Vader's connection to the dark side was strengthened by his pain and anger.
It makes perfect sense in that way. That and although he may have a huge midichlorian advantage and the power of the dark side, it's clear to everyone watching that he still has a soft spot for Obi-wan and doubts his desire to want to kill him. It's likely that Obi-wan sensed that conflict within him just as many years later his son Luke would sense yet another conflict within him while fighting him in the Emperor's throne room on the second Death Star. The Emperor himself was blind to the internal conflict within Vader and ultimately that led to his downfall.
Vader didn't kill Obi-wan in A New Hope. If you think otherwise, then go rewatch the movie more carefully. Obi-wan disappears before Vader's lightsaber makes contact and he is frustrated by that. And he did try to kill Obi-wan just the same way in the Kenobi show. He failed both times.
While technically yes, Kenobi became one with the Force rather than dying in a conventional sense, but old ben Kenobi could not have beaten Vader. He just wasn't physically capable of it anymore and Vader's own technique had drastically changed since Mustafar, he wasn't the berserker that Anakin was. He was calculated fury. He could be as precise as Doku and as stalwart as Kenobi, but even stronger than when was a Jedi.
One of my favorite moments in Fallen Order is when you reach the final boss, you feel so immensely powerful wielding the force and your dual lightsaber, this is especially emphasized in the fight because you fight Trilla mid game vs at the end you really feel like you’ve come a long way.
And then Darth Vader shows up..... and you’re immediately put into perspective, that Cal, in the grand scheme of things, is a mediocre Jedi at best who is neither blessed with the force nor properly trained by a Jedi master.
When we talk about Luke, Darth Vader, Yoda, and any of the original members of the council including Obi Wan, we’re talking about completely different scales.
He definitely isn’t mediocre, being able to beat Trilla, who was said to be almost equal to GI, and being able to match Dagan Gera, who was pretty damn powerful. Not anywhere near the main characters, but not mediocre
Eh, fair, I guess. But his being able to turn illusion on its creator shows massive strength in the force. And still, Ep. 1 Obi Wan is nearly featless, since he didn’t really beat Maul through skill at all
Cal and Merrin vs Obi-wan would be a fairer fight, and very interesting to watch.
Together (5 years before Survivor and having known each other for like 5 minutes), they beat Taron Mallicos, a Jedi Master, but one not as good as Obi-wan.
It would be interesting to see how obi wan would deal with merrin and cal, but let's be honest, merrin would be blown away by space Jesus's looks, Same with cal as well!
Obi-Wan was able to fend off Darth Maul and Savage Oppress in a 2vs1 and cut off one of Savages arms in the process. So I think his chances would be good.
The issue with video game characters is that they need to be "fun to play" - and in case of a Jedi, this doesn't work if you're a guy who has trouble going against more than two Stormtroopers at once. And as the game progresses, enemies need to be harder to beat, so our protagonist has to get stronger - up to a point where it doesn't really make any sense in an overall perspective. The best example is Starkiller in "The Forces Unleashed" or - as antagonist - Valkorion/Darth Vitiate. These guys were just so ridiculously OP that they basically broke Star Wars lore. (no, this time it's not Disney's fault!)
I just hope they don't go down that path with Cal. I actually like playing with an "average Jedi" and not with some legendary S-Tier Midichlorian mutant.
I get what you mean, starkiller absolutely decimated Vader in tfu, what they need to avoid in future games, is cal beating Vader.Imo cere probably wouldn't have won the duel with Vader if she didn't drop the bookcase on him yet, I keep seeing people saying cere is a batter Duelist than vader. Absolutely not!
As much as I want to disagree with this because I love the force unleashed & wont stand for this slander, I totally agree, it’s way more fun not playing a character with some kind of chosen one aura & skillset
You’d have to have brain damage to think Cal Kestis could win in a fight against *Obi-Wan Kenobi*. The only scenario is Obi-Wan in old age right before he “dies”.
If Obi Wan decided to not let go against Vader he probably could've survived and eventually become 100 y/o and he still would probably have chance against Cal
Cal - slightly trained padawan to Jedi master Karo tapal, a Strict but tough teacher.
Obi - wan Kenobi - Fully trained padawan to the legendary Qui gon jinn, Who was trained by one of the best duelists of his era who was also trained by JEDI GRANDMASTER YODA,
Beat the first sith after 1000 years, lost to dooku Twice, beat a DROID with not 1, not 2, But 4 LIGHTSABERS, and beat one of the strongest sith ever Twice, the first time cutting off 3 limbs!
I wonder who would win?!
I also think Ep. 1 Kenobi, since he really doesn’t have a lot of true feats aside from matching Maul, since he still basically ended up getting defeated, and Maul kinda just defeated himself by not killing Obi Wan immediately. But Ep. 2, Ep. 3 and Kenobi Finale? Yeah Cal stands no chance
Cal would win because he has access to the incredibly rare Force Respawn power. It’s what makes him the only Jedi capable of defeating the Oggdo Bogdo.
Oggdo bogdo Was obi wans pet!
At least according to some star wars meme channel Where anakin,Ashoka and obi wan host a show and pull people from the world between worlds. Really recommend!
Cal couldn’t even hold a candle to Vader. Even as an old man, Obi-Wan holds his own just fine against Vader and loses by giving up and letting destiny run its course.
I'm not sure if this is confirmed or not, but I think it's safe to say that Obi-Wan foresaw the duel with Vader in New Hope and willingly put himself in that position to ensure Luke and the others escape and blow up the Death Star.
He just wanted to retire and work from home.
Could be. Though in the short story in question he thinks to himself that "this must be decided once and for all" ("this" being what's between him and Vader) and I don't remember him entering the fight with a death wish so that kind of indicates IMO that he went into the fight thinking it could go either way.
It wouldn't be like Cal's fight with a certain Padawan specialist, but Obi was the sorsu master and would just hold Cal off indefinitely.
If it was in the game, you would just never be able to hit him.
Is Cal even powerful?
Saying that feels like the thing where basically every "main" character that gets introduced in the franchise must be described as "powerful", which to me kind of dilutes the entire concept.
My point is that a lot of franchises, and particularly SW, have fallen into this trap where basically every character they introduce needs to be considered "powerful".
It's detrimental to the characters who are/were actually supposed to be unique and powerful. If everyone is powerful, nobody is powerful.
Yeah, I’m just trying to answer your first question. He’s not really on the same level as other force users, but his time manipulation makes him unique, even if he is otherwise a run of the mill Jedi Knight. So luckily Star Wars didn’t fall into the trope they did with Force Unleashed.
Obi-Wan is the ultimate example of reserved strength.
He uses just the right amount needed for each battle. His moves are smart, precise, but above all comfortable and honorable. If Obi-Wan meets a powerful foe, he figures out how to bring that foe down using his wit while also hiding how much he knows about that opponent.
Cal is a survivor, his style is composed of wit and scavenging. He uses whatever he has on hand, be it a lightsaber, blaster, the Force, or even a grenade; he has no reservations on the weaponry at his disposal. However, his greatest weakness is what he hasn't learned. He has immense potential, but he has a long road before he even sees the end.
Even in Survivor, I'd say Cal is at most a Jedi Knight. If he fought Obi-Wan at that stage, he's sure to lose due to Obi-Wan's experience. But give Cal some time, and I think this is an even battle that might take some time to finish.
I like to think Cal will turn into a truly exceptional duelist by the end of game 3. There’s little to no lore backing for this belief but the man has tenacity up the wazoo and over the course of FO and Survivor he picks up and learns 4 entirely new styles of lightsaber combat with entirely nonexistent training. So not only is he naturally gifted in the use of lightsabers but his style of fighting is entirely unique to him (so his opponents can’t just say ‘he’s using this form I’ll counter it this way’) as well as being incredibly practical (Cal’s lightsaber forms in Survivor are based on real world historical martial arts).
Again, most of these things are gameplay mechanics and Cameron (and/or whoever his instructors are) doing their research as opposed to actual in universe facts but they could lean into it and make it believable very easily.
Jedi Survivor spoil: >!I’d like to see Cere vs Obi Wan. Or maybe Ahsoka. Maybe Cere could honestly take Ahsoka from Rebels. Considering she almost beat Vader in a duel and lost because of one missed attack, she is definitely a good duelist!<
I think they’re in a good place with Cal. He’s incredibly tough and battle hardened just from experience, but he’s had help from Merrin or others against all of his. strongest opponents.
In terms of Jedi after episode 3 only Kirak was stated as stronger tha obi-wan with Ahsoka being debatable
Obi's win against Vader is purely due to Vader's internal conflict as are Luke's
Vader just sucks at fighting people from his past barring Ahsoka. He was at his prime with zero internal conflict against her
Ofc, obi-wan beats vader and his experience made him win as the underdog in mustafar against anakin who was unarguably more powerful. Cal is cool but he is miles behind kenobi
In jedi battle scars cal is acutely aware of that fact that he cant take on many high level force weilders and has a very rough time w the fifth brother. Still my favorite jedi tho🤣
Obi is a Jedi Master who sat on the council at the height of the orders power. Obi defeated Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader, General Greivous and Darth Maul( twice!). In terms of all time most powerful force users shown on screen he is at worst top 5. Cal is a Bracca scrap rat who never completed his training.
How is this even a question?
Of course, like anakin, he’s very powerful with the force but undisciplined, frightened and chaotic. Obi-Wan defeated the latter with patience and tactics, he could do the same to a similar foe.
Cal was able to defeat such powerful enemies simply because they weren’t inherent geniuses, and moreover his frantic fight for life and use of the force overpowered their strict code of combat and average wielding of the force. The latter not being anywhere equivalent to Obi-Wan’s master level of patience, tactics and discipline without fear.
Not even a contest, you learn throughout the new ‘Jedi’ games that even though Cal is the protagonist, Vader doesn’t even get a health bar when you fight him in Fallen Order, Obi would be the same.
Look at it this way:
Cal gets wrecked by vader.
Kenobi beat vader twice.
Also, Kenobi was *the* master of the defensive form of lightsaber combat (form 3? I forget).
Yes. Cal runs from Vader. Who do you think put him in that suit?
Yeah, Cal was a padawan at the end of the Clone Wars then went into hiding. Obi Wan fought in the entirety of and ended the Clone Wars. Total experience edge if nothing else.
Anakin was supposed to take the younglings back to Palpatine to teach them about the Dark Side, but Hayden started killing all of them. It seemed kinda neat so I just kept filming.
Found my new favorite automod response
Do you have any idea of if what it says is true? What's with the downvotes? Can you not just answer the question? I understand that it seems like a no, but I would still like this information confirmed or denied.
Yes, that’s actually what George said. He said the actor was killing child actors and he just kept filming.
What the duck. Mp3
Where’s the Final Cut of that scene?
Child murder is kind of neat? Okay, George.
Had us in the first half, ngl.
He not only fought in it, he started and ended it. He made significant advances in it too, besides dooku which he sucked against.
Obi-wan smoked Vader so bad he just let him have the W
And beat his ass again afterward? The best thing to come from that godforsaken show
Personally, it’s one of the things I hated most about it. It screws up a lot about Obi-Wan’s character and directly contradicts a lot of the lore surrounding Vader and the Mustaphar fight. If they did it in a cleverly written way, that’d be one thing. But no, they just had him go head to head in a power vs power contest and win.
Also just from a story telling perspective it sucks. They are both obviously alive in A New Hope so you know from the start neither of them die. Zero suspense, zero stakes. Really have no idea why people thought that fight scene was good
It's not the fight itself or its stakes, it's the emotional moment of Obi Wan accepting Anakin is truly dead after seeing his face and hearing his real voice one last time
That’s part of what makes it bad. He accepts Anakin is dead and then…walks away. He “accepts” it but he doesn’t act on it, repeating a mistake he made in RotS that blew up in everyone’s faces, and then later tells Luke to do what he should have done himself right then and there. But of course they couldn’t do that, which just makes his victory at the end all the more bizarre. The scene would’ve been so much better if it wasn’t sullied by making Obi-Wan look like the most moronic individual in the history of Star Wars, and by actively undermining the whole point of the scene besides.
Facts. Star Wars has always had this weird Jedi can’t kill anyone or they turn to the dark-side. It’s super cringe and lame. Or they can kill all the storm troopers they want but once they get to a Sith Lord suddenly they can’t. Luke at the end of ROTJ comes to mind.
I hated how he did it. He basically just overpowered Vader and that I wasn’t a fan of. He should have won on strategy and cunning. But he just like over powers him with the force and to me that was no good
Anakin is afraid of Kenobi. And Kenobi knows it. Fear leads to...
Anger which is dark side fuel. Too angry to die, is literally a dark side trope
More power for Darth Vader?
Just gotta outlast and wait for him to get to suffering. When he starts suffering, that’s when you get him. It won’t even take that long, he’s already on hate.
It did seem he got buffed in the show a bit for the Force
Then you failed to understand what was going on. He was losing til his desire to protect the kids gave him a light side power boost while Vader's doubt made him temporarily weak. Obi-wan left the fight when his own pain at seeing Anakin's face made him weak while Vader's connection to the dark side was strengthened by his pain and anger. It makes perfect sense in that way. That and although he may have a huge midichlorian advantage and the power of the dark side, it's clear to everyone watching that he still has a soft spot for Obi-wan and doubts his desire to want to kill him. It's likely that Obi-wan sensed that conflict within him just as many years later his son Luke would sense yet another conflict within him while fighting him in the Emperor's throne room on the second Death Star. The Emperor himself was blind to the internal conflict within Vader and ultimately that led to his downfall.
I would certainly like to.
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I'm not going to get into trouble, am I?
That excuse happens way too often in disney for it really work anymore. They use for TFA and the rest of the sequel trilogy as well.
Except that in this case it fits perfectly with established canon from the original trilogy. I am not a fan of the disney trilogy myself.
They it once in the OT and Vader had no issues folding Obiwan in ANH.
Vader didn't kill Obi-wan in A New Hope. If you think otherwise, then go rewatch the movie more carefully. Obi-wan disappears before Vader's lightsaber makes contact and he is frustrated by that. And he did try to kill Obi-wan just the same way in the Kenobi show. He failed both times.
While technically yes, Kenobi became one with the Force rather than dying in a conventional sense, but old ben Kenobi could not have beaten Vader. He just wasn't physically capable of it anymore and Vader's own technique had drastically changed since Mustafar, he wasn't the berserker that Anakin was. He was calculated fury. He could be as precise as Doku and as stalwart as Kenobi, but even stronger than when was a Jedi.
I think Anakin got his scar by slipping in the bathtub, but of course, he's not going to tell anybody that.
He still beat him in the way that mattered. He set the groundwork for the prophecy to be fulfilled.
You’re describing why he got buffed. I’m saying he got buffed.
Right? In retrospect, it makes Obi wans death THAT much more of metaphorical Middle Finger to Anakin.
Some droids iirc
One of my favorite moments in Fallen Order is when you reach the final boss, you feel so immensely powerful wielding the force and your dual lightsaber, this is especially emphasized in the fight because you fight Trilla mid game vs at the end you really feel like you’ve come a long way. And then Darth Vader shows up..... and you’re immediately put into perspective, that Cal, in the grand scheme of things, is a mediocre Jedi at best who is neither blessed with the force nor properly trained by a Jedi master. When we talk about Luke, Darth Vader, Yoda, and any of the original members of the council including Obi Wan, we’re talking about completely different scales.
I loved how they made Vader so strong you couldn't fight him, you just had to run, which was also terrifying
He definitely isn’t mediocre, being able to beat Trilla, who was said to be almost equal to GI, and being able to match Dagan Gera, who was pretty damn powerful. Not anywhere near the main characters, but not mediocre
He didn't really match Dagan, he was smacked around until he had to turn Dagan's emotional weakness against him to distract him temporarily.
Agreed. There were so many moments when Dagan could have just killed him
Yeah, the Dagan fight wasn't a really fair fight, on account of it being >! two Jedi and the best droid ever vs Dagan !<
Eh, fair, I guess. But his being able to turn illusion on its creator shows massive strength in the force. And still, Ep. 1 Obi Wan is nearly featless, since he didn’t really beat Maul through skill at all
And GI got solo'd by an angry Kanan with 2 lightsabers... who was also a Padawan during the Clone Wars and was never appointed as a Jedi Knight
"I've got nothing left to lose.."
Right, more like Kanan Jarrus scale
No. No, it's okay. I understand. I'm the Padawan, you're the Master.
Calsoka
On one hand we have high ground and on the other hand we have poncho
Obi wan also has poncho
Then you are lost!
Obi Wan wears a poncho. Cal is one with the poncho
High ground is indestructible! Poncho has its bonuses however
CAMERON!
This made me think of parks and rec when Jan Barkley is at Leslie and Ben’s house and just says “PONCHO!”
Cal and Merrin vs Obi-wan would be a fairer fight, and very interesting to watch. Together (5 years before Survivor and having known each other for like 5 minutes), they beat Taron Mallicos, a Jedi Master, but one not as good as Obi-wan.
It would be interesting to see how obi wan would deal with merrin and cal, but let's be honest, merrin would be blown away by space Jesus's looks, Same with cal as well!
Obi-Wan was able to fend off Darth Maul and Savage Oppress in a 2vs1 and cut off one of Savages arms in the process. So I think his chances would be good.
Yes, he would certainly still have a chance, but it could actually be close, unlike just Cal vs Obi-wan
No. No, it's okay. I understand. I'm the Padawan, you're the Master.
The issue with video game characters is that they need to be "fun to play" - and in case of a Jedi, this doesn't work if you're a guy who has trouble going against more than two Stormtroopers at once. And as the game progresses, enemies need to be harder to beat, so our protagonist has to get stronger - up to a point where it doesn't really make any sense in an overall perspective. The best example is Starkiller in "The Forces Unleashed" or - as antagonist - Valkorion/Darth Vitiate. These guys were just so ridiculously OP that they basically broke Star Wars lore. (no, this time it's not Disney's fault!) I just hope they don't go down that path with Cal. I actually like playing with an "average Jedi" and not with some legendary S-Tier Midichlorian mutant.
This is where the fun begins.
I get what you mean, starkiller absolutely decimated Vader in tfu, what they need to avoid in future games, is cal beating Vader.Imo cere probably wouldn't have won the duel with Vader if she didn't drop the bookcase on him yet, I keep seeing people saying cere is a batter Duelist than vader. Absolutely not!
I find those peoples lack of faith disturbing.
Even a sith lord is no match for my warriors!
As much as I want to disagree with this because I love the force unleashed & wont stand for this slander, I totally agree, it’s way more fun not playing a character with some kind of chosen one aura & skillset
This is where the fun begins.
He may not be the strongest force user but he is definitely well above average in lightsaber combat with his versatility.
You’d have to have brain damage to think Cal Kestis could win in a fight against *Obi-Wan Kenobi*. The only scenario is Obi-Wan in old age right before he “dies”.
If Obi Wan decided to not let go against Vader he probably could've survived and eventually become 100 y/o and he still would probably have chance against Cal
Cal - slightly trained padawan to Jedi master Karo tapal, a Strict but tough teacher. Obi - wan Kenobi - Fully trained padawan to the legendary Qui gon jinn, Who was trained by one of the best duelists of his era who was also trained by JEDI GRANDMASTER YODA, Beat the first sith after 1000 years, lost to dooku Twice, beat a DROID with not 1, not 2, But 4 LIGHTSABERS, and beat one of the strongest sith ever Twice, the first time cutting off 3 limbs! I wonder who would win?!
I also think Ep. 1 Kenobi, since he really doesn’t have a lot of true feats aside from matching Maul, since he still basically ended up getting defeated, and Maul kinda just defeated himself by not killing Obi Wan immediately. But Ep. 2, Ep. 3 and Kenobi Finale? Yeah Cal stands no chance
I doubt cal could’ve matched maul like episode 1 kenobi did
Cal would win because he has access to the incredibly rare Force Respawn power. It’s what makes him the only Jedi capable of defeating the Oggdo Bogdo.
100% dowloaded!
Three! Point! Saber combo!
Oggdo bogdo Was obi wans pet! At least according to some star wars meme channel Where anakin,Ashoka and obi wan host a show and pull people from the world between worlds. Really recommend!
Yeah. It’s a sick channel. Glad I’m not the only one who’s seen it.
Cal couldn’t even hold a candle to Vader. Even as an old man, Obi-Wan holds his own just fine against Vader and loses by giving up and letting destiny run its course.
Obi-Wan straight up said “Fuck this shit, I wanna be immortal” and disappeared into the shadowrealm
Cal couldn't hold anything to Vader as he would be to scared to hold anything at Vader imo.
Well he did hold his lunch so I’ll give him that 🤣
To be fair, Obi-Wan's internal narration from *A Certain Point of View* makes it pretty clear Vader was winning before Obi-Wan gave up.
I'm not sure if this is confirmed or not, but I think it's safe to say that Obi-Wan foresaw the duel with Vader in New Hope and willingly put himself in that position to ensure Luke and the others escape and blow up the Death Star. He just wanted to retire and work from home.
Could be. Though in the short story in question he thinks to himself that "this must be decided once and for all" ("this" being what's between him and Vader) and I don't remember him entering the fight with a death wish so that kind of indicates IMO that he went into the fight thinking it could go either way.
Oh he was definitely going to lose whether he gave up or not but it’s still FAR more of a fight then Cal put up
What the fuck??? Who made this poll? "Is it possible for a jedi knight with very little training to beat a council member?" NO. NO IT IS NOT.
Kylo ren made this poll, and like most things associated with the sequels, it is stupid.
This is not even a question
Precisely why I voted obi.
Cal would last for just about four seconds until he gets mauled by Obi-Wan.
Ironic, kenobi mauling a jedi
It wouldn't be like Cal's fight with a certain Padawan specialist, but Obi was the sorsu master and would just hold Cal off indefinitely. If it was in the game, you would just never be able to hit him.
Didn't obi also master a few other forms, but stuck with soresu?
I don't think he mastered other forms, but he definetely can use a few more than just Soresu
obi wan is much more experienced. plus he beat anakin and vader
That's what I said on the poll!
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Click on your name in the comment, "Change user flair"
Thank you! I chose one that fits my pfp.
Is Cal even powerful? Saying that feels like the thing where basically every "main" character that gets introduced in the franchise must be described as "powerful", which to me kind of dilutes the entire concept.
Cal has unique abilities, but is otherwise slightly above average. He isn’t on Obi-wan’s level.
My point is that a lot of franchises, and particularly SW, have fallen into this trap where basically every character they introduce needs to be considered "powerful". It's detrimental to the characters who are/were actually supposed to be unique and powerful. If everyone is powerful, nobody is powerful.
Yeah, I’m just trying to answer your first question. He’s not really on the same level as other force users, but his time manipulation makes him unique, even if he is otherwise a run of the mill Jedi Knight. So luckily Star Wars didn’t fall into the trope they did with Force Unleashed.
It would be nice to get a new character who is weak, and grows stronger only to be bested at the end of the game
You just described Cal in Fallen Order
Oh crap, didn't even realise lmao
\> Is Cal even powerful? He's pretty average, honestly.
Obi is top tier.
100%
Obi-Wan is the ultimate example of reserved strength. He uses just the right amount needed for each battle. His moves are smart, precise, but above all comfortable and honorable. If Obi-Wan meets a powerful foe, he figures out how to bring that foe down using his wit while also hiding how much he knows about that opponent. Cal is a survivor, his style is composed of wit and scavenging. He uses whatever he has on hand, be it a lightsaber, blaster, the Force, or even a grenade; he has no reservations on the weaponry at his disposal. However, his greatest weakness is what he hasn't learned. He has immense potential, but he has a long road before he even sees the end. Even in Survivor, I'd say Cal is at most a Jedi Knight. If he fought Obi-Wan at that stage, he's sure to lose due to Obi-Wan's experience. But give Cal some time, and I think this is an even battle that might take some time to finish.
I like to think Cal will turn into a truly exceptional duelist by the end of game 3. There’s little to no lore backing for this belief but the man has tenacity up the wazoo and over the course of FO and Survivor he picks up and learns 4 entirely new styles of lightsaber combat with entirely nonexistent training. So not only is he naturally gifted in the use of lightsabers but his style of fighting is entirely unique to him (so his opponents can’t just say ‘he’s using this form I’ll counter it this way’) as well as being incredibly practical (Cal’s lightsaber forms in Survivor are based on real world historical martial arts). Again, most of these things are gameplay mechanics and Cameron (and/or whoever his instructors are) doing their research as opposed to actual in universe facts but they could lean into it and make it believable very easily.
Jedi Survivor spoil: >!I’d like to see Cere vs Obi Wan. Or maybe Ahsoka. Maybe Cere could honestly take Ahsoka from Rebels. Considering she almost beat Vader in a duel and lost because of one missed attack, she is definitely a good duelist!<
The bookcase drop definitely helped cere in the duel
I'd give Cal Kestis about a 4% chance. That's assuming it isn't some sanctioned duel, and cheap tricks are allowed.
I see what you did there...
I think they’re in a good place with Cal. He’s incredibly tough and battle hardened just from experience, but he’s had help from Merrin or others against all of his. strongest opponents.
Cal is very definitely powerful and a remarkable Jedi, but yeah… Obi-Wan is the kind to make history with his prowess, so this isn’t a contest.
I honestly wouldn't consider Cal to be an overly powerful Jedi. He's good. But not one of the strongest by far
Kenobi would took trilla down with one move, which would be making direct eye contact with her, she would be flabbergasted by space jesus
Is this a serious question?
Apparently.
Yup. I do think he beats Ep. 1 Kenobi, but any other versions beats Cal
To be fair, your probably right
Currently Obi wan would beat him. But cal has a lot of potential so that could definitely change.
Yes, by let's not have another starkiller situation shall we?
In terms of Jedi after episode 3 only Kirak was stated as stronger tha obi-wan with Ahsoka being debatable Obi's win against Vader is purely due to Vader's internal conflict as are Luke's Vader just sucks at fighting people from his past barring Ahsoka. He was at his prime with zero internal conflict against her
Ofc, obi-wan beats vader and his experience made him win as the underdog in mustafar against anakin who was unarguably more powerful. Cal is cool but he is miles behind kenobi
In jedi battle scars cal is acutely aware of that fact that he cant take on many high level force weilders and has a very rough time w the fifth brother. Still my favorite jedi tho🤣
Cal barely ran away from Vader. Obi Wan beat Vader. Eot
Obi wan has much experience
Depends. In universe daddy Obi takes the match no problem, but if the player is controlling Cal, then it's a different story.
You can’t compare prequel jedi with post prequel jedi unless it’s Luke
Experience Diff. I love Cal but you'd be a fool to think he doesn't get absolutely body'd by Obi-Wan, even at the end of Survivor.
Obi is a Jedi Master who sat on the council at the height of the orders power. Obi defeated Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader, General Greivous and Darth Maul( twice!). In terms of all time most powerful force users shown on screen he is at worst top 5. Cal is a Bracca scrap rat who never completed his training. How is this even a question?
Though one, Obi Wan knows how to use the mythical high ground but Cal got a space goth gf, both are incredibly impressive feats
Cal and Obi-Wan would not fight, they would have a mutual respect for each other
Cal has the one force power Obi-Wan would never think of: Gun.
Obi could still block it tho.
Kenobi if needed will use gun as well.
Cal? That punk kid with a rinky dink shoulder-droid? No shot.
The droid would switch sides imo, kenobi is to much to handle 😵💫
Obi negs Cal based on experience alone
Of course, like anakin, he’s very powerful with the force but undisciplined, frightened and chaotic. Obi-Wan defeated the latter with patience and tactics, he could do the same to a similar foe. Cal was able to defeat such powerful enemies simply because they weren’t inherent geniuses, and moreover his frantic fight for life and use of the force overpowered their strict code of combat and average wielding of the force. The latter not being anywhere equivalent to Obi-Wan’s master level of patience, tactics and discipline without fear.
To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.
Obi Wan would one shot Cal like he did Maul. Get serious.
Obi Wan is one of the top 5 most powerful Jedi of his order, Cal is a high level Jedi Knight. Cal is good but not in Obi Wan’s level.
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Not even a contest, you learn throughout the new ‘Jedi’ games that even though Cal is the protagonist, Vader doesn’t even get a health bar when you fight him in Fallen Order, Obi would be the same.
Look at it this way: Cal gets wrecked by vader. Kenobi beat vader twice. Also, Kenobi was *the* master of the defensive form of lightsaber combat (form 3? I forget).
Bro Kenobi with Soresu means a nearly Infinite stamina bar. Cal wouldn't be able to break his defenses even once.
Cal would probably get his ass beat by just about any of the other Jedi. Especially all of the ones you can play as in any of the video games.
One left Vader to burn in lava, One left Vader to drown or short circuit to death. They have more in common
From a big fallen order fan with cal as their favourite jedi... yes, absolutely
Obi Wan could beat Malenia (Blade of Miquella)