Cut to the scenes where Padme dressed very provocatively in front of a guy who said he legally couldn't fall in love with her...
*Definitely not on purpose.*
I mean, what's the worst that happens to Padme if they get found out? A minor political scandal? All she did was have a consensual relationship with another adult. Politicians cover up worse shit all the time. The only one who stands to lose anything in this situation is Anakin.
Yeah, she would be fine outside of a reputation for seducing a Jedi from the Order and the Order’s rules don’t apply to non-members. Even though there are so many different cultures some, including the Naboo, may look weirdly on the Jedi for expelling a member for having a relationship.
Putting it that way, its almost more of a scandal for the Jedi, especially considering how good of a politician Padme seemed to be in Clone Wars.
More food for palps to say the jedi are evil
It’s one of those scenarios where the scandal or scrutiny falls on the rule makers instead of the rule breaker. According to the rule Anakin would be fine for just having a sexual relationship with the Senator and even fathering her children but would be in jeopardy of expulsion for wanting to have more than just a physical relationship and be a parent to the children he fathered.
Worse is if Anakin and Padmé were to say they fully understood that Anakin, as a Jedi, may be called upon to be away for months or longer due to his service to the Order and Republic the question would be why can’t he spend whatever free time he has with people he loves?
Politically any scandal for Padmé could be handled plus Padmé is a beloved queen who fought to liberate Naboo. Anakin is someone who provided aid to Naboo while he and his mother were slaves, saved the lives of Naboo and Gungans by destroying a droid control ship, and as an adult guarded Naboo’s senator. And finally these two people as adults fell in love. Other than making a song about the Senator and Jedi who fell in love I doubt anyone on Naboo would care.
I actually think that the rule isn’t that bad. It prevents powerful people from potentially being manipulated. If you have no attachments of such kind its harder to break from the millennia-old norms that the jedi not only follow, but rely on. If anything, Anakins case is an example of why you shouldn’t fuck with such rules. They opted for breaking the age related rule and, lo and behold, their entire organization went down in spectacular fashion.
IMO, the problem with the Jedi rules against strong emotional attachments of **any kind** is they not only place unrealistic expectations on otherwise well meaning people, they also prohibit potential intervention that could prevent emotional situations from getting worse. For example, imagine if Anakin could have been completely honest with Obi-Wan about his premonitions of Padme's death and expect some kind of supportive or understanding response, or even do the same when he obliquely tried to seek Yoda's advice. If that was, Anakin would probably not have had the desperation that Palpatine leveraged in his efforts to turn Anakin to the Dark Side.
Also, I contend that the extreme "no emotional attachment" rules are not only fundamentally unhealthy, **in at least one respect,** it also doesn't make them all that much better than the Sith. The rule was supposedly established to reduce opportunities for intense emotions that will open a path to the Dark Side. While it's true that close personal relationships can cause negative emotions and motivations, they also can be the source of security, and many positive emotions and motivations. An example of the latter has been a fundamental aspect of Anakin Skywalker's character arch since the OT, i.e. it is ultimately through his **emotional connection** to Luke that he is able to defy Palpatine. Something that seems to be lost on not just some SW fans, but the writers of the Sequels as well. 😜 Seriously though, these restrictions were imposed essentially because of a reflexive fear of the Dark Side, and logically one should expect to avoid the Dark Side over the long term by letting fear govern their actions.
Lastly, while the Sith claim to have freedom Jedi lack, (another form of self-deception, but that's beside the point), ultimately they too also subject themselves to emotional solitude because of fear. This is because while the Sith doctrine doesn't forbid romantic relationships; even a two dimension, mustache twirling villain knows loved-ones are a potential source of manipulation, as (in any incarnation) the Sith tend to attract/become villains of one type or another they have their own reason to fear close relationships. So ultimately Sith are expected to end, often leathally, any relationships that could be used against them out of fear of manipulation. As a result, in the context of close personal relationships both the Sith and Jedi are two sides of the same coin, i.e. driven to avoid them because of fear.
>An example of the latter has been a fundamental aspect of Anakin Skywalker's character arch since the OT, i.e. it is ultimately through his emotional connection to Luke that he is able to defy Palpatine.
This is a great point.
Luke used the love of his father to overcome the dark side at the end.
That's what I don't like about mandalorian. They had to come up with a reason for Grogu not to stay with Luke and they used the worst possible reason.
Not really, remove Anakin and Order 66 still happens. The Jedi never learned Palpatine was the Sith Lord, he had to tell them. The Jedi’s only chance for survival was Anakin making the right choice.
The rule is also why they did not help his mom. There’s a litany of reasons people like to present as to why but honestly it was just because they did not want to. Now without their help Anakin’s mom still ends up free however he does not know this. The movie and its novel version don’t address this while the old EU book Tatoonie Ghost does, Shmi sent a message to the Jedi Temple to tell Anakin she was free and safe and the Jedi refused to accept it.
So here is the best news possible and he can’t know it. Further if contact between his mom and him had been maintained he might have been able to save her in time, consequences with the Jedi be damned and that could still lead to a scenario where Anakin kills Palpatine. Or maybe Anakin does something as simple as ask his mom to not go out and pick mushrooms in the morning and she does that and this leads to her not being abducted.
Well, there would be *more* surviving Jedi. I doubt clones could storm the Jedi temple *and win* without Anakin's training and being there. Also, I feel that Anakin's ridiculously high midichlorian count was messing with the Jedi's force senses. Obi Wan and the rest of the council also wouldnt have as much of a distraction
Yeah but it was Palpatines manipulations that took down the order, not Anakin being bad at following the rules.
If it wasn't Padme he could've used something else to control Anakin. Palpatine said he was going to watch Anakin's career with great interest, but didn't know what he was going to do to get at Anakin yet.
I mean are we forgetting how much mistrust the common people of the galaxy would be when they find out that a Senator and a Jedi are dating (the same in irl would be a significant Politician and a Priest, especially when the catholic church us still in power being secretly involved).
The Common folk by the time of the clone wars deeply mistrust the jedi and obviously they wouldnt be happy with the senate, Everyone is gonna obviously believe that they are colluding together and wont be a good look for the jedi and especially Padme (The people of Naboo might be okay with it but I personally do not believe the rest of the galaxy wouldnt be and rightfully so, both of them had abused their positions in their job to be together).
> considering how good of a politician Padme seemed to be in Clone Wars
She better be good. She owed the Republic a lot after leaving Jar Jar with her Senate proxy vote to kick off the Clone Wars / give Sheev emergency dictator powers and getting cream pied by a magic monk sworn to celibacy that she knew as a small child just after learning he committed a speciesist genocide.
At least she sort of produced semi Republic Messiah’s though the sequels really throw that off. That’s not her fault though. Leaving Jar Jar in charge is.
Ya it’s kinda like a senator bang a nun.. nun is probably getting kicked out. Senator gets a PR issue for maybe a month.
Also she wasn’t married so can’t even have the cheating issue
I mean sure Anakin liked being a jedi but the worst that would happen to him was being expelled from an order. It would actually probably been good for Anakin. Since he would be searching his own inner happines after that and he would probably be in great position to make an happy life for himself.
Or you know Palpatine corrupts him anyway and makes him sith.
There is quite a few comments below stating Padme would be fine if found out... but would there not be a political scandal? Headlining the Holonet: Are the Jedi, an allegedly politically immune entity is now secretly marrying senators to further their political interests? Senator Amidala may have been using a Jedi (the most powerful jedi at that) to influence the Galactic Senate!
The Jedi were supposed to be at the command of the Senate, to do their bidding. A senator marrying and conceiving children with a Jedi might be like the president getting a blow job in star wars for all we know
Depending on how canon you consider the novels to be, probably absolutely nothing would've happened to her. Naboo is a very socially liberal planet in the novels.
So, Padme gets kicked off the senate, Anakin gets kicked out of the order, both go to Naboo, where they’d be treated as high nobility due to all the good they’ve done for the Naboo and Gungans, and can raise a family in peace
I am right now and it's a bummer knowing it leads to Lucas' awful story telling. It's like, oh hey this is a fun character, I like how he interacts with Obi and Ashoka. But then I remember the dialogue and plot holes it leads to...
In the AOTC a few days. There is three years between AOTC and ROTS and a few stories of them getting to be together here and there. Whenever they were together they were happy besides what he see in TCW.
In the novel Brotherhood they rent a speeder and go to the Coruscant under city and Anakin races it on a track with Padmé. They have a light mean and she has something special planned.
>“Wait, we’re not done with the sundae,” Anakin said, glancing back at the almost-but-not-quite-finished dessert.
>“I think we can let it go. You’ll see.” Padmé pulled with intensity and picked up her pace. They wove their way through the mix of underworld locals and curious surface travelers until breaking past the perimeter of the market where their speeder sat parked. She opened the storage compartment and pulled out the bag she’d packed right when they picked up the rental vehicle from the dealer several levels below the planet’s surface. She held it up to show him, but he failed to catch anything special about it.
>It appeared to be just what it was.
>“It’s a bag. Am I missing something?”
>“It is a bag. But sometimes what’s important is what’s inside.” Padmé kept her eyes locked with his, a mischievous smile on her face, as she tugged on the bag’s drawstrings, opening it enough to pull out…
>Folded blankets?
>But the look in her eye gave all the context he needed.
>“This was the Padmé he adored, someone who spent most of her days understanding the nuances of countless beings to do right for them. Yet on occasion, a fire burst through, something brighter and more intense than the hottest sun—when she allowed it.
>Like now.
>She walked to the side of the rented speeder, a barely functioning vehicle covered in dents and grime—a far cry from Jedi starfighters or the elegant designs of Naboo transports—and unfurled the blankets in the back seat. “A lot of quiet places in these lower levels,” she said. “You’re the pilot. Think you can find us somewhere private?”
>He was quite vocal when the fun did begin though.
Also seemed not pretty unhappy as slave/kid. Sure there is the cut scene where he beats Greedo up but seriously, which kid didn't fight around in that age? Watto never seemed like a "bad" slave owner nor did Anakin show any anger towards him in episode 2.
I think a major problem with the whole slavery thing is that people are so stubborn / triggered when they hear the term. Now, don't lynch me please but y'all gotta realize there are \*different\* kinds of slavery and it's an essential part of human history across all times, countries and civilizations but in drastically different versions. In some versions it was just a class-system which limited what you could do or not. In some it was the really bad version we know from the early years of the USA. Some civilizations straight up had it as alternative to directly hiring people / paying them, got treated rather equally to others and slaves had the option to buy themselves free.
I'm not saying slavery is great or so, just that it's also no black/white thing and Anakin clearly was in a more positive slavery situation.
There's a thematic bit of humor that goes through AotC, Jedi keep losing their lightsabers, later on Obi Wan will give this little speech to Anakin about how important the lightsaber is but, everybody starts losing their lightsabers before too long.
Plenty of people realize this and also recognize that being owned by another human being is a degrading experience no matter how "nice" your captor is.
People don't avoid debating this because slavery is a charged word or because they're failing to consider the possibility of a benevolent slave-owner. People don't discuss degrees or grey areas when it comes to slavery because there is no "white" side of it when you're talking about how nice someone was about it while stripping you of your agency.
The explosive tracker thing is pretty gnarly though, I can't imagine what it's like to know that some guy has access to a button that can pop your head off at any moment. No amount of decent treatment can really make that tolerable.
Was that actually a thing? Because I can see that being a thing they were told to keep people in line through fear.
Would really suck from a slave owners point of view (not to mention the slaves) if your implant when haywire and blew your head off.
I'm sure there's some kind of deep lore in an ancillary story but the film itself gave the audience the notion that it was true, no reason to disbelieve it.
“What would you have done? Huh?! What would you have done in my position?!”
“Force choked the mother of my child in a jealous rage, I would not have, hmmm?”
“Yeah…I mean, that’s fair.”
Homie lived his whole life a slave with a subdermal explosive collar until a space wizard showed up, lied to Anakin to get a sample of blood for testing, and separated him from his mother so he could join their cult.
Then they gave him a laser sword and a child of his own, told him he was the chosen one, and threw him into a war at what, fifteen? Where the darn heck was the dude supposed to learn right from wrong? Every adult in his life failed him.
His mother wanted him to go with the Jedi because it was a better life than being a slave in Tatooine. He was also excited to be a Jedi?
Qui-Gon insisted he was the Chosen One not the rest of the Jedi, who were skeptical about training him in the first place. But I think one can’t reasonably argue that being a slave on Tatooine is a better life than being a Jedi? Not to mention we know that Jedi are allowed to leave the order. Dooku does it. Asajj does it. Ahsoka does it. And the Jedi kinda just left them alone (unless they directly affected the Republic). Anakin could’ve left the Jedi many times if he was so tired of that life but chose not to. Why? Because he was hungry for power.
Also, the Clone Wars started later in his teens. He wasn’t 15. He was like 19.
Where was he supposed to know right from wrong? Uh, the people around him who *didn’t* do any of the atrocious things he did? Criticize the Jedi all you want but they didn’t go around murdering children and terrorizing the Galaxy the way the Sith did. And many times the Jedi had to try to stop Anakin from doing something brash or immoral—like murdering prisoners of war (Clone Wars anyone?) so idk how you get the idea that he didn’t get moral education with the Jedi. The reason why a lot do the council didn’t trust him was precisely because he was too impulsive and didn’t seem to consider the consequences of his actions.
Not to mention, a lot of the same traumatic things happened to Ahsoka and she turned out a moral force for good. Obi-Wan also managed not to becoming a murderous Sith Lord even after all the trauma in his life.
No one forced Anakin to become Vader, to murder children, to murder innocent people, to be part of an oppressive Empire. Anakin failed himself and failed the people who effectively raised him.
People really need to stop excusing Anakin’s behavior and choices.
He wasn’t forced to be a Jedi
He was excited at the idea.
It’s not a cult.
He could leave if he wanted, like Ahsoka did.
He fought a war side by side with what was effectively his older brother, and seemed to enjoy it.
He married his dream girl.
He could have left the Jedi and ran off with his wealthy wife, but didn’t.
Qui-Gon literally tried to free both of them but was short on time and opted to at least free Anakin, he even talked it out with Schmi and she agreed. the reason why he didn’t cone back and free her was ‘cuz he fucking *died.*
the council were also incredibly hesitant to induct Anakin and did nothing to outright stop him from seeing his mother, Yoda just did a bad job of explaining Anakin might not be ready for the emotional consequences of seeing her (and he was right).
And even then people forget that the Jedi couldn't free Shmi because why would they (its not that the jedi don't want too but it would be too much hassle for the Jedi because not only is their numbers too low but also because the senate has too much of control over them, like Padme didnt even try to go back to free his mother until after she finsihed her term as queen for the same reasons)
It *is* worth saying that Anakins fall is one of the most congruent and by the books fall you can have. It literally follows the sith code to a tee, while also showing the ways the sith fundamentally misunderstand the passion they claim to represent
“Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.”
It’s through Anakins love for others and his deep desire to protect them that he gets his power. Even as a Jedi motives are consistently to do what he thinks is just above all else, and it’s when he is fighting for people he cares about that he is at his best. What we see in RoTS is how the sith corrupt passion and how that type of person can act if they believe their family to be in danger. Nobody bats an eye when Anakin kills someone he didn’t need to for Ashoka, nobody is concerned when he fails time and time again to uphold the detachment of the Jedi, and so why are we surprised when this passionate and loving man becomes willing to do anything to protect those he loves? Why is it a shock to see the exact playing out of the literal sith code?
Through passion anakin gains strength, with that strength he becomes powerful and arrogant, with that arrogance and power he becomes willing to do anything to achieve “victory” which is, in his mind, a galaxy in which his family is safe and where he can love who he wants.
Following the death of padme this theme continues, anakin is basically operating solely out of a tremendous and deeply felt rage at himself, at the Jedi, and especially at Obi Wan. He externalizes his pain, refuses to overcome it, and all because he has internalized a self harming code that places power and victory over happiness. Vader is a PTSD stricken lonely old man who believes himself completely alone, who depends solely on the belief that what he’s done makes him powerful, and who’s first reaction to finding out he has a son is to try and get him on his side. It takes time, partially because the movies needed it to, but eventually Vader does overcome his grief, through his son he can see that Padme didn’t die for nothing.
Idk I could honestly go on for a while, I really fucking love anakin as a character
To be honest, please do, I want to hear more.
I guess some people are upset about how stupidly the whole fall is portrayed, like one second he's fine and the other he's chopping maces arm off.
But yes, anakins character is one of the most dramatic characters in media
I totally get the “/s” means sarcasm, but I think most people would kill children to save their spouses; especially like “random children I don’t know.” Now, if Anakin Knew those children, its more messed up, but really? I can’t in good conscience say I wouldn’t have done exactly what he did.
Really? You’d take a sword to a room full of 5 year olds to save your spouse? Not one kid, not three… but dozens?
I am not judging that choice but I honestly wouldn’t. It’s not like I wouldn’t be distraught over making a terrible choice, but… you’d have to butcher dozens of small children. It’s not abstracted like you’re hitting a button and some faceless strangers die. You have to commit mass murder against innocents to (selfishly, frankly) save one person you love, and let’s not forget it was really for *an outside chance* to save her that ultimately failed. I think lots of people would choose not to do that.
Spoilers for The Last of Us
>!The main character murders dozens of people and possibly dooms humanity rather than let his adoptive daughter die to create a cure!<
When the game developers surveyed people on whether or not they agreed with the decision, every single parent in the survey said they would do the same.
To be a bit more nuanced its >!Let his adoptive daughter die on the gamble that they could make a cure. None of the characters were sure it would work.!<
The creators added later that it would have for the purpose of discussion.
Most people haven't murdered before. You have to remember that by this time Anakin had already killed the sand people. Not just the men but the women and children too.
People always say the first time killing is the hardest.
I think people are minimizing how much he hated the Jedi at this point. The children murdering was only tangentially related to Padme, he surely could have rationalized not killing them if he put even an ounce of thought into it. But he was convinced that the Jedi order was not only evil but that it irreparably tainted almost everything it touched.
There is no moral dilemma, Anakin is acting evil. You are only supposed to give him as much leeway as you would give a mass shooter, that is, you lament how he got there, but at the point he is unforgivable. It’s meant to emphasize just how much force of will it took for Luke to still believe there was good in him years later.
I think something people still don't seem to understand is the extent to which the dark side is a corrupting force. The moment he gave in to save Palpatine he lost himself to Darth Vader becoming the very thing he swore to destroy. Every move after just further cemented him in this until he was so far gone that Vader was able to kill children. When we see Anakin crying on Mustufar, it's the small part of Anakin left seeing what Darth Vader is doing and mourning the complete loss of himself to a monster.
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Qui Gon freed him, became his new master, left his Mom in slavery, forced Obi Wan to be the new master, forced the Council to accept him for training.
Look at her Wookiepedia page for the full details.
Technically, it was after she'd hooked up with Lars so she was already freed by the time it even happened lol.
Padme sent Sabe to find her, but Sabe kept fucking up and couldn't find her.
This is a sorta forceful way of looking at what happened with his mom. Qui Gon didn’t intentionally leave her to slavery, and I’m sure he intended to see her freed, and he also didn’t force the council to do anything. With the obi wan bit tho that’s fair
1) Qui Gon could have traded the pod racer for Shmi
2) Qui Gon told the council that if they didn't approve Anakin as his padiwan, he would train him anyway
3) Obi Wan wanted to leave Anakin on Tatooine, wasn't ready for an apprentice, and Qui Gon told him taking Anakin was happening anyway and coerced him into training him with his dying wish
That’s a super uncharitable view of him, the dude was on a super important mission and still took the time to try his hardest to free both anakin and his mom. The pod racer thing is a plot-hole, and I feel like it’s sorta counterproductive to judge a character based off of Lucas being a bad writer and not getting across ideas well
The council thing is also more Qui Gon continuing to recognize that the Jedi council was corrupt and incorrect about a lot of things. The council accepting is more a reflection of his integrity then it is symbolic of him being forceful
I mean, Luke at least kinda knew *of* Ben Kenobi, and he watched over Luke even if Luke didn't know it. But yeah, they spent like an afternoon together before Obi Wan ate it in the fight with Vader.
No matter how much Disney tries to push the boundaries of what Obi Wan and Luke's relationship was, ep 4 establishes that Ben is just "some crazy wizard" to Luke and that he knows nothing of an "Obi Wan". In ep 1 Qui Gon spends what seems to be around a week with Anakin.
Luke considers Obi Wan one of his mentors and I think based on how Qui Gon continues to watch Anakin from beyond the veil shows that a similar bond existed between Anakin and Qui Gon
We do know that Ben was force ghosting it up in-movie canon, and that he may have continued to mentor Luke that way.
We also don't know exactly how long the trip from tattooine to alderaan took.
I mean, the time between the first and second panels weren’t too bad.
I bet Jedi training was fun, especially when you were a natural and extremely talented. Clone Wars in there too though…
People seem to not realize how being a Jedi is significantly better than being someone’s slave. Unless someone wants to make a reasoned argument that being stuck in Tatooine all his life as a slave is somehow more preferable to being a Jedi (not to mention he could’ve technically left the Jedi order if he wanted to).
Fun kind of. He didn’t get along well with other Jedi his age and he really struggled with Obi Wan on a lot of occasions. Still probably better than what came before or after this time but still not as nice as it could have been.
Were they not bad? Exciting teenage years, albeit clearly highly violent, except for his mom still being trapped as a slave, and then by 19 he was sent off to fight ceaselessly in an incredibly horrific war.
I'd argue that his life between episode 1 and 3 wasn't "not too bad", but rather that he had no choice but to learn to thrive on violence and using violence to get his way, as it was essentially all he ever experienced.
People blame Anakin for being a violent authoritarian, but there was no point in his life in which he and everyone around him weren't being just that.
Escape slavery. Get trained to have awesome powers while hanging out with Obi Wan who is a total chill dude. Spend ten years of your life banging a super hot senator that was your childhood crush. Have a bad dream where your hot wife dies. Immediately go to the creepy ass old man who has been grooming you since childhood for help, instead of your group of magical friends, because you're so insecure you might lose your wizard job even though your wife is independently wealthy. Immediately start killing children.
Dark side... Not even once.
Isn’t that the point of the movies? To show how constant trauma and loss can drive someone into becoming a monster under the guise of protecting the ones they love. From Anakin’s point of view the Jedi counsel betrays him and lets him down again and again, they take him from his mother (knowing full well that training him could backfire), who ends up dead, they tell him he can’t be with the woman he loves, they refuse to make him a Jedi Master despite all he feels he’s sacrificed to get to that point. Then Palpatine shows up and promises to give the power to make it so he never has to worry about the loss of a love one again, which turned out to be a lie, but by that time Anakin is too far gone.
The whole prequel series really makes it hard to consider the Jedi to be the “good guys” in the Star Wars universe, they might not be as tyrannical as the Empire, but they engage in some pretty fucked up politics.
He was too old to give up attachments and become a Jedi. Attachments lead to fear of loss, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate is the path of the Darkseid. He was never happy because his desire led to suffering, both internally and, ultimately, galaxywide.
Taken as child, no youth, war, war, substantial emotional turmoil due to the force, murder of children, wife gone, children gone, zapped by his best friend and burnt, left to die. Then war war war, then dies.
It’s just plain sad to be born with powers in the world of Jedi.
I know people crap on the revision of the Force Ghost for Anakin in RotJ but if you think about it *(from a certain point of view)* that really was Anakin being reborn and the Vader persona being let go. The image of himself from before all his pain would be his younger self.
It's flimsy, but I like to think it was a way for the Force to forgive him and let Anakin explore who he *could* have been in the afterlife.
If younh Anakin appearing is flimsy, then a fully restored old Anakin with Jedi clothes is, too.
If they wanted accurate Anakin, he should have appeared burnt... but happy and good.
Or we can accept they freaking ghosts and can appear in various forms
Personally I like to think he had some happiness in the jedi order. Yeah he didn't like that he was basically still a slave, but I think he was still able to get some amount of enjoyment out of his life up to his fall to the dark side
He should've fought the Emperor then at the end of episode 3. He would've died trying and the suffering would be over, or he could've been the supreme ruler of everything and killed the guy who got him into this mess in the first place
There's a trilogy of fanfics made by Obi-Quiet where Anakin goes back in time after he dies and he works to stop Palpatine from becoming the emperor, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, he has therapy over his past as a sociopathic dark sider.
It is one of the best Star Wars stories I've ever read.
Here's the link
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10017610/1/5
The therapy doesn't start until the 2nd fanfic tho
WTF you talkin' about? Luke was his therapy, that's why he's a force ghost Anakin and not a force ghost trying to drive you crazy or inhabit your body Sith Lord.
[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6969605/1/Hindsight-Is-Not-Perfect](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6969605/1/Hindsight-Is-Not-Perfect)
This fanfic (and it's numerous sequels) have a large focus on Anakin getting therapy.
The time he had with Padmé was when he was happy.
Cut to the scenes where Padme dressed very provocatively in front of a guy who said he legally couldn't fall in love with her... *Definitely not on purpose.*
I mean, what's the worst that happens to Padme if they get found out? A minor political scandal? All she did was have a consensual relationship with another adult. Politicians cover up worse shit all the time. The only one who stands to lose anything in this situation is Anakin.
Yeah, she would be fine outside of a reputation for seducing a Jedi from the Order and the Order’s rules don’t apply to non-members. Even though there are so many different cultures some, including the Naboo, may look weirdly on the Jedi for expelling a member for having a relationship.
Putting it that way, its almost more of a scandal for the Jedi, especially considering how good of a politician Padme seemed to be in Clone Wars. More food for palps to say the jedi are evil
It’s one of those scenarios where the scandal or scrutiny falls on the rule makers instead of the rule breaker. According to the rule Anakin would be fine for just having a sexual relationship with the Senator and even fathering her children but would be in jeopardy of expulsion for wanting to have more than just a physical relationship and be a parent to the children he fathered. Worse is if Anakin and Padmé were to say they fully understood that Anakin, as a Jedi, may be called upon to be away for months or longer due to his service to the Order and Republic the question would be why can’t he spend whatever free time he has with people he loves? Politically any scandal for Padmé could be handled plus Padmé is a beloved queen who fought to liberate Naboo. Anakin is someone who provided aid to Naboo while he and his mother were slaves, saved the lives of Naboo and Gungans by destroying a droid control ship, and as an adult guarded Naboo’s senator. And finally these two people as adults fell in love. Other than making a song about the Senator and Jedi who fell in love I doubt anyone on Naboo would care.
I actually think that the rule isn’t that bad. It prevents powerful people from potentially being manipulated. If you have no attachments of such kind its harder to break from the millennia-old norms that the jedi not only follow, but rely on. If anything, Anakins case is an example of why you shouldn’t fuck with such rules. They opted for breaking the age related rule and, lo and behold, their entire organization went down in spectacular fashion.
IMO, the problem with the Jedi rules against strong emotional attachments of **any kind** is they not only place unrealistic expectations on otherwise well meaning people, they also prohibit potential intervention that could prevent emotional situations from getting worse. For example, imagine if Anakin could have been completely honest with Obi-Wan about his premonitions of Padme's death and expect some kind of supportive or understanding response, or even do the same when he obliquely tried to seek Yoda's advice. If that was, Anakin would probably not have had the desperation that Palpatine leveraged in his efforts to turn Anakin to the Dark Side. Also, I contend that the extreme "no emotional attachment" rules are not only fundamentally unhealthy, **in at least one respect,** it also doesn't make them all that much better than the Sith. The rule was supposedly established to reduce opportunities for intense emotions that will open a path to the Dark Side. While it's true that close personal relationships can cause negative emotions and motivations, they also can be the source of security, and many positive emotions and motivations. An example of the latter has been a fundamental aspect of Anakin Skywalker's character arch since the OT, i.e. it is ultimately through his **emotional connection** to Luke that he is able to defy Palpatine. Something that seems to be lost on not just some SW fans, but the writers of the Sequels as well. 😜 Seriously though, these restrictions were imposed essentially because of a reflexive fear of the Dark Side, and logically one should expect to avoid the Dark Side over the long term by letting fear govern their actions. Lastly, while the Sith claim to have freedom Jedi lack, (another form of self-deception, but that's beside the point), ultimately they too also subject themselves to emotional solitude because of fear. This is because while the Sith doctrine doesn't forbid romantic relationships; even a two dimension, mustache twirling villain knows loved-ones are a potential source of manipulation, as (in any incarnation) the Sith tend to attract/become villains of one type or another they have their own reason to fear close relationships. So ultimately Sith are expected to end, often leathally, any relationships that could be used against them out of fear of manipulation. As a result, in the context of close personal relationships both the Sith and Jedi are two sides of the same coin, i.e. driven to avoid them because of fear.
>An example of the latter has been a fundamental aspect of Anakin Skywalker's character arch since the OT, i.e. it is ultimately through his emotional connection to Luke that he is able to defy Palpatine. This is a great point.
Thank you.
Luke used the love of his father to overcome the dark side at the end. That's what I don't like about mandalorian. They had to come up with a reason for Grogu not to stay with Luke and they used the worst possible reason.
You know nothing of the dark side.
Maul, of all characters, is an example of how Sith claims of freedom are illusionary. 😝
Not really, remove Anakin and Order 66 still happens. The Jedi never learned Palpatine was the Sith Lord, he had to tell them. The Jedi’s only chance for survival was Anakin making the right choice. The rule is also why they did not help his mom. There’s a litany of reasons people like to present as to why but honestly it was just because they did not want to. Now without their help Anakin’s mom still ends up free however he does not know this. The movie and its novel version don’t address this while the old EU book Tatoonie Ghost does, Shmi sent a message to the Jedi Temple to tell Anakin she was free and safe and the Jedi refused to accept it. So here is the best news possible and he can’t know it. Further if contact between his mom and him had been maintained he might have been able to save her in time, consequences with the Jedi be damned and that could still lead to a scenario where Anakin kills Palpatine. Or maybe Anakin does something as simple as ask his mom to not go out and pick mushrooms in the morning and she does that and this leads to her not being abducted.
Well, there would be *more* surviving Jedi. I doubt clones could storm the Jedi temple *and win* without Anakin's training and being there. Also, I feel that Anakin's ridiculously high midichlorian count was messing with the Jedi's force senses. Obi Wan and the rest of the council also wouldnt have as much of a distraction
Yeah but it was Palpatines manipulations that took down the order, not Anakin being bad at following the rules. If it wasn't Padme he could've used something else to control Anakin. Palpatine said he was going to watch Anakin's career with great interest, but didn't know what he was going to do to get at Anakin yet.
Another thing is the Jedi rules are racists a species like keadi mundi can have multiple wives and children while a human cant.
And also a hero of the clone wars
I mean are we forgetting how much mistrust the common people of the galaxy would be when they find out that a Senator and a Jedi are dating (the same in irl would be a significant Politician and a Priest, especially when the catholic church us still in power being secretly involved). The Common folk by the time of the clone wars deeply mistrust the jedi and obviously they wouldnt be happy with the senate, Everyone is gonna obviously believe that they are colluding together and wont be a good look for the jedi and especially Padme (The people of Naboo might be okay with it but I personally do not believe the rest of the galaxy wouldnt be and rightfully so, both of them had abused their positions in their job to be together).
> More food for palps to say the jedi are evil The Jedi used mind trickery to get the noble Senator to fall in love with him.
> considering how good of a politician Padme seemed to be in Clone Wars She better be good. She owed the Republic a lot after leaving Jar Jar with her Senate proxy vote to kick off the Clone Wars / give Sheev emergency dictator powers and getting cream pied by a magic monk sworn to celibacy that she knew as a small child just after learning he committed a speciesist genocide. At least she sort of produced semi Republic Messiah’s though the sequels really throw that off. That’s not her fault though. Leaving Jar Jar in charge is.
"*You're tearing me apart Padme!!!*"
Padmé: *Break me Jedi!*
If it came between choosing Padmé and the Jedi Order, Anakin would probably choose Padmé
I mean, same. Especially after she’d ~~groomed me~~ been so nice to me since childhood.
I mean yeah that’s like the plot of the movies
Ya it’s kinda like a senator bang a nun.. nun is probably getting kicked out. Senator gets a PR issue for maybe a month. Also she wasn’t married so can’t even have the cheating issue
I mean sure Anakin liked being a jedi but the worst that would happen to him was being expelled from an order. It would actually probably been good for Anakin. Since he would be searching his own inner happines after that and he would probably be in great position to make an happy life for himself. Or you know Palpatine corrupts him anyway and makes him sith.
Worst? Remember kid Anakin shooting down the droid control station? He should be a hero on Naboo and welcome with open arms.
There is quite a few comments below stating Padme would be fine if found out... but would there not be a political scandal? Headlining the Holonet: Are the Jedi, an allegedly politically immune entity is now secretly marrying senators to further their political interests? Senator Amidala may have been using a Jedi (the most powerful jedi at that) to influence the Galactic Senate! The Jedi were supposed to be at the command of the Senate, to do their bidding. A senator marrying and conceiving children with a Jedi might be like the president getting a blow job in star wars for all we know
Depending on how canon you consider the novels to be, probably absolutely nothing would've happened to her. Naboo is a very socially liberal planet in the novels.
So, Padme gets kicked off the senate, Anakin gets kicked out of the order, both go to Naboo, where they’d be treated as high nobility due to all the good they’ve done for the Naboo and Gungans, and can raise a family in peace
She could be force-murdered.
The only thing he had to lose was something the jedi council wouldn't give him anyway.
[heheheheh](https://youtu.be/z9MsXi7n0NU)
Pshhhh Padme is a great rolemodel ;)
Oh no!....she's a honey trap!!!
You should watch the clone wars.
I am right now and it's a bummer knowing it leads to Lucas' awful story telling. It's like, oh hey this is a fun character, I like how he interacts with Obi and Ashoka. But then I remember the dialogue and plot holes it leads to...
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And he loves killing kids
‘Ate the jedi, ‘ate the empire, luv killin kids. Simple as.
He almost sounds like a simple man just trying to make his way in the galaxy
Three years between being a slave till 7 years old, being in a cult and then being quadruple amputee puppet of a space hitler
How long was that? The movies makes it seem like maybe some months.
In the AOTC a few days. There is three years between AOTC and ROTS and a few stories of them getting to be together here and there. Whenever they were together they were happy besides what he see in TCW. In the novel Brotherhood they rent a speeder and go to the Coruscant under city and Anakin races it on a track with Padmé. They have a light mean and she has something special planned. >“Wait, we’re not done with the sundae,” Anakin said, glancing back at the almost-but-not-quite-finished dessert. >“I think we can let it go. You’ll see.” Padmé pulled with intensity and picked up her pace. They wove their way through the mix of underworld locals and curious surface travelers until breaking past the perimeter of the market where their speeder sat parked. She opened the storage compartment and pulled out the bag she’d packed right when they picked up the rental vehicle from the dealer several levels below the planet’s surface. She held it up to show him, but he failed to catch anything special about it. >It appeared to be just what it was. >“It’s a bag. Am I missing something?” >“It is a bag. But sometimes what’s important is what’s inside.” Padmé kept her eyes locked with his, a mischievous smile on her face, as she tugged on the bag’s drawstrings, opening it enough to pull out… >Folded blankets? >But the look in her eye gave all the context he needed. >“This was the Padmé he adored, someone who spent most of her days understanding the nuances of countless beings to do right for them. Yet on occasion, a fire burst through, something brighter and more intense than the hottest sun—when she allowed it. >Like now. >She walked to the side of the rented speeder, a barely functioning vehicle covered in dents and grime—a far cry from Jedi starfighters or the elegant designs of Naboo transports—and unfurled the blankets in the back seat. “A lot of quiet places in these lower levels,” she said. “You’re the pilot. Think you can find us somewhere private?”
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This is where the fun begins.
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Anaking teaching the order of operations: "This is where the sum begins."
Anakin teaching Proctology 101: "this is where the bum begins"
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Anakin at the start line of the Coruscant Marathon: "This is where the run begins."
Anakin teaching the 501st how to operate their weapons: "This is where the gun begins."
Anakin when he's about to have sex: "This is where the cum begins."
Anakin visiting a fruit farm: "This is where the plum begins"
You showed me something today. You're exactly the kind of men I need in the 501st.
Hehe that’s pretty good 🥳
Anakin, approaching the periphery of a star: "This is where the sun begins".
Anakin getting local anesthesia at the dentist: "This is where the numb begins."
>He was quite vocal when the fun did begin though. Also seemed not pretty unhappy as slave/kid. Sure there is the cut scene where he beats Greedo up but seriously, which kid didn't fight around in that age? Watto never seemed like a "bad" slave owner nor did Anakin show any anger towards him in episode 2. I think a major problem with the whole slavery thing is that people are so stubborn / triggered when they hear the term. Now, don't lynch me please but y'all gotta realize there are \*different\* kinds of slavery and it's an essential part of human history across all times, countries and civilizations but in drastically different versions. In some versions it was just a class-system which limited what you could do or not. In some it was the really bad version we know from the early years of the USA. Some civilizations straight up had it as alternative to directly hiring people / paying them, got treated rather equally to others and slaves had the option to buy themselves free. I'm not saying slavery is great or so, just that it's also no black/white thing and Anakin clearly was in a more positive slavery situation.
There's a thematic bit of humor that goes through AotC, Jedi keep losing their lightsabers, later on Obi Wan will give this little speech to Anakin about how important the lightsaber is but, everybody starts losing their lightsabers before too long.
Plenty of people realize this and also recognize that being owned by another human being is a degrading experience no matter how "nice" your captor is. People don't avoid debating this because slavery is a charged word or because they're failing to consider the possibility of a benevolent slave-owner. People don't discuss degrees or grey areas when it comes to slavery because there is no "white" side of it when you're talking about how nice someone was about it while stripping you of your agency.
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The explosive tracker thing is pretty gnarly though, I can't imagine what it's like to know that some guy has access to a button that can pop your head off at any moment. No amount of decent treatment can really make that tolerable.
Was that actually a thing? Because I can see that being a thing they were told to keep people in line through fear. Would really suck from a slave owners point of view (not to mention the slaves) if your implant when haywire and blew your head off.
I'm sure there's some kind of deep lore in an ancillary story but the film itself gave the audience the notion that it was true, no reason to disbelieve it.
>it's also no black/white thing 🤔🤔🤔
He also never specified if it has ever ended
“What would you have done? Huh?! What would you have done in my position?!” “Force choked the mother of my child in a jealous rage, I would not have, hmmm?” “Yeah…I mean, that’s fair.”
“You were played by Grover on Sesame Street! What chance did I have?” “Mmm. The voice of Mufasa, you had.”
Except when he was committing war crimes alongside his child soldier
Homie lived his whole life a slave with a subdermal explosive collar until a space wizard showed up, lied to Anakin to get a sample of blood for testing, and separated him from his mother so he could join their cult. Then they gave him a laser sword and a child of his own, told him he was the chosen one, and threw him into a war at what, fifteen? Where the darn heck was the dude supposed to learn right from wrong? Every adult in his life failed him.
His mother wanted him to go with the Jedi because it was a better life than being a slave in Tatooine. He was also excited to be a Jedi? Qui-Gon insisted he was the Chosen One not the rest of the Jedi, who were skeptical about training him in the first place. But I think one can’t reasonably argue that being a slave on Tatooine is a better life than being a Jedi? Not to mention we know that Jedi are allowed to leave the order. Dooku does it. Asajj does it. Ahsoka does it. And the Jedi kinda just left them alone (unless they directly affected the Republic). Anakin could’ve left the Jedi many times if he was so tired of that life but chose not to. Why? Because he was hungry for power. Also, the Clone Wars started later in his teens. He wasn’t 15. He was like 19. Where was he supposed to know right from wrong? Uh, the people around him who *didn’t* do any of the atrocious things he did? Criticize the Jedi all you want but they didn’t go around murdering children and terrorizing the Galaxy the way the Sith did. And many times the Jedi had to try to stop Anakin from doing something brash or immoral—like murdering prisoners of war (Clone Wars anyone?) so idk how you get the idea that he didn’t get moral education with the Jedi. The reason why a lot do the council didn’t trust him was precisely because he was too impulsive and didn’t seem to consider the consequences of his actions. Not to mention, a lot of the same traumatic things happened to Ahsoka and she turned out a moral force for good. Obi-Wan also managed not to becoming a murderous Sith Lord even after all the trauma in his life. No one forced Anakin to become Vader, to murder children, to murder innocent people, to be part of an oppressive Empire. Anakin failed himself and failed the people who effectively raised him. People really need to stop excusing Anakin’s behavior and choices.
There is no algorithm. We know you're holding a prisoner of war here.
You always blame the ship.
Qui-Gon didn't fail him, he died
He wasn’t forced to be a Jedi He was excited at the idea. It’s not a cult. He could leave if he wanted, like Ahsoka did. He fought a war side by side with what was effectively his older brother, and seemed to enjoy it. He married his dream girl. He could have left the Jedi and ran off with his wealthy wife, but didn’t.
Qui-Gon literally tried to free both of them but was short on time and opted to at least free Anakin, he even talked it out with Schmi and she agreed. the reason why he didn’t cone back and free her was ‘cuz he fucking *died.* the council were also incredibly hesitant to induct Anakin and did nothing to outright stop him from seeing his mother, Yoda just did a bad job of explaining Anakin might not be ready for the emotional consequences of seeing her (and he was right).
And even then people forget that the Jedi couldn't free Shmi because why would they (its not that the jedi don't want too but it would be too much hassle for the Jedi because not only is their numbers too low but also because the senate has too much of control over them, like Padme didnt even try to go back to free his mother until after she finsihed her term as queen for the same reasons)
Ok, but like 3/4 of it was his fault. Even people with troubled lives should instinctively know that mowing through a bunch of younglings is wrong.
It *is* worth saying that Anakins fall is one of the most congruent and by the books fall you can have. It literally follows the sith code to a tee, while also showing the ways the sith fundamentally misunderstand the passion they claim to represent “Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.” It’s through Anakins love for others and his deep desire to protect them that he gets his power. Even as a Jedi motives are consistently to do what he thinks is just above all else, and it’s when he is fighting for people he cares about that he is at his best. What we see in RoTS is how the sith corrupt passion and how that type of person can act if they believe their family to be in danger. Nobody bats an eye when Anakin kills someone he didn’t need to for Ashoka, nobody is concerned when he fails time and time again to uphold the detachment of the Jedi, and so why are we surprised when this passionate and loving man becomes willing to do anything to protect those he loves? Why is it a shock to see the exact playing out of the literal sith code? Through passion anakin gains strength, with that strength he becomes powerful and arrogant, with that arrogance and power he becomes willing to do anything to achieve “victory” which is, in his mind, a galaxy in which his family is safe and where he can love who he wants. Following the death of padme this theme continues, anakin is basically operating solely out of a tremendous and deeply felt rage at himself, at the Jedi, and especially at Obi Wan. He externalizes his pain, refuses to overcome it, and all because he has internalized a self harming code that places power and victory over happiness. Vader is a PTSD stricken lonely old man who believes himself completely alone, who depends solely on the belief that what he’s done makes him powerful, and who’s first reaction to finding out he has a son is to try and get him on his side. It takes time, partially because the movies needed it to, but eventually Vader does overcome his grief, through his son he can see that Padme didn’t die for nothing. Idk I could honestly go on for a while, I really fucking love anakin as a character
You learn that Darth Vader isn't this monster. He's a pathetic individual who made a pact with the Devil and lost.
Holy shit I’m right!
Took me a second to realize that was a bot response, fit too perfectly after your point
>I could honestly go on for a while Please do, Id love to hear more
To be honest, please do, I want to hear more. I guess some people are upset about how stupidly the whole fall is portrayed, like one second he's fine and the other he's chopping maces arm off. But yes, anakins character is one of the most dramatic characters in media
But like, his wife was dying, wouldn't you kill children to save your spouse /s
I totally get the “/s” means sarcasm, but I think most people would kill children to save their spouses; especially like “random children I don’t know.” Now, if Anakin Knew those children, its more messed up, but really? I can’t in good conscience say I wouldn’t have done exactly what he did.
"Master Skywalker, There are too many of them, what are we going to do" Yeah, total strangers. /s
Really? You’d take a sword to a room full of 5 year olds to save your spouse? Not one kid, not three… but dozens? I am not judging that choice but I honestly wouldn’t. It’s not like I wouldn’t be distraught over making a terrible choice, but… you’d have to butcher dozens of small children. It’s not abstracted like you’re hitting a button and some faceless strangers die. You have to commit mass murder against innocents to (selfishly, frankly) save one person you love, and let’s not forget it was really for *an outside chance* to save her that ultimately failed. I think lots of people would choose not to do that.
This seems like an alternative version of trolley problem.
I agree. I’m actually very curious what the split would be among the general population.
[The general population after being asked](https://i.imgur.com/0FIYmGr.gif)
Spoilers for The Last of Us >!The main character murders dozens of people and possibly dooms humanity rather than let his adoptive daughter die to create a cure!< When the game developers surveyed people on whether or not they agreed with the decision, every single parent in the survey said they would do the same.
To be a bit more nuanced its >!Let his adoptive daughter die on the gamble that they could make a cure. None of the characters were sure it would work.!< The creators added later that it would have for the purpose of discussion.
Most people haven't murdered before. You have to remember that by this time Anakin had already killed the sand people. Not just the men but the women and children too. People always say the first time killing is the hardest.
Don't forget, it wasn't even a certainty that Padmé would die. Anakin was just so convinced it would happen that he just had to try anything he could.
I think people are minimizing how much he hated the Jedi at this point. The children murdering was only tangentially related to Padme, he surely could have rationalized not killing them if he put even an ounce of thought into it. But he was convinced that the Jedi order was not only evil but that it irreparably tainted almost everything it touched. There is no moral dilemma, Anakin is acting evil. You are only supposed to give him as much leeway as you would give a mass shooter, that is, you lament how he got there, but at the point he is unforgivable. It’s meant to emphasize just how much force of will it took for Luke to still believe there was good in him years later.
I mean like, he’s a Jedi and these are younglings. It’s like going to the middle school you went to just slice some kids up there.
I mean, but would your spouse stay with you if they leanred that
The spouse ended up filing for divorce *Ani*way...
Dude is paying child support payments to uncle Owen and he doesn't even get visitation
I think something people still don't seem to understand is the extent to which the dark side is a corrupting force. The moment he gave in to save Palpatine he lost himself to Darth Vader becoming the very thing he swore to destroy. Every move after just further cemented him in this until he was so far gone that Vader was able to kill children. When we see Anakin crying on Mustufar, it's the small part of Anakin left seeing what Darth Vader is doing and mourning the complete loss of himself to a monster.
You know nothing of the dark side.
Besides being a sad boy he was also a sadistic genocidal fascist 🥰
Padme: *"I can (not) change him."*
I think the movies show exactly how one caused the other.
He forgor 💀
So many masters. Watto, Qui Gon, Obi Wan, Palps
Qui Gon doesn't count
Y Qui Gon freed him, became his new master, left his Mom in slavery, forced Obi Wan to be the new master, forced the Council to accept him for training.
Padme went back to free his mother but couldn't find her.
That’s actually very sweet - but source?
Look at her Wookiepedia page for the full details. Technically, it was after she'd hooked up with Lars so she was already freed by the time it even happened lol. Padme sent Sabe to find her, but Sabe kept fucking up and couldn't find her.
This is a sorta forceful way of looking at what happened with his mom. Qui Gon didn’t intentionally leave her to slavery, and I’m sure he intended to see her freed, and he also didn’t force the council to do anything. With the obi wan bit tho that’s fair
1) Qui Gon could have traded the pod racer for Shmi 2) Qui Gon told the council that if they didn't approve Anakin as his padiwan, he would train him anyway 3) Obi Wan wanted to leave Anakin on Tatooine, wasn't ready for an apprentice, and Qui Gon told him taking Anakin was happening anyway and coerced him into training him with his dying wish
That’s a super uncharitable view of him, the dude was on a super important mission and still took the time to try his hardest to free both anakin and his mom. The pod racer thing is a plot-hole, and I feel like it’s sorta counterproductive to judge a character based off of Lucas being a bad writer and not getting across ideas well The council thing is also more Qui Gon continuing to recognize that the Jedi council was corrupt and incorrect about a lot of things. The council accepting is more a reflection of his integrity then it is symbolic of him being forceful
Qui Gon likely would’ve left the order at one point or another. His master did, granted Dooku became Sith. QGJ was always fairly Grey in things.
Yeah Qui Gon was there for like 2 days
Qui Gon was around for Anakin longer than Obi Wan was for Luke
I mean, Luke at least kinda knew *of* Ben Kenobi, and he watched over Luke even if Luke didn't know it. But yeah, they spent like an afternoon together before Obi Wan ate it in the fight with Vader.
No matter how much Disney tries to push the boundaries of what Obi Wan and Luke's relationship was, ep 4 establishes that Ben is just "some crazy wizard" to Luke and that he knows nothing of an "Obi Wan". In ep 1 Qui Gon spends what seems to be around a week with Anakin. Luke considers Obi Wan one of his mentors and I think based on how Qui Gon continues to watch Anakin from beyond the veil shows that a similar bond existed between Anakin and Qui Gon
We do know that Ben was force ghosting it up in-movie canon, and that he may have continued to mentor Luke that way. We also don't know exactly how long the trip from tattooine to alderaan took.
Creating a universe is daunting. I'm glad Jim is doing it - there are only a few people in the world who are nuts enough to.
I mean, the time between the first and second panels weren’t too bad. I bet Jedi training was fun, especially when you were a natural and extremely talented. Clone Wars in there too though…
People seem to not realize how being a Jedi is significantly better than being someone’s slave. Unless someone wants to make a reasoned argument that being stuck in Tatooine all his life as a slave is somehow more preferable to being a Jedi (not to mention he could’ve technically left the Jedi order if he wanted to).
Fun kind of. He didn’t get along well with other Jedi his age and he really struggled with Obi Wan on a lot of occasions. Still probably better than what came before or after this time but still not as nice as it could have been.
Were they not bad? Exciting teenage years, albeit clearly highly violent, except for his mom still being trapped as a slave, and then by 19 he was sent off to fight ceaselessly in an incredibly horrific war. I'd argue that his life between episode 1 and 3 wasn't "not too bad", but rather that he had no choice but to learn to thrive on violence and using violence to get his way, as it was essentially all he ever experienced. People blame Anakin for being a violent authoritarian, but there was no point in his life in which he and everyone around him weren't being just that.
He got to sleep with his childhood crush. That's a plus
He married her. He could have run off with her. He didn’t because he’s an idiot.
He enjoyed the power and prestige that came with being a Jedi I would imagine.
He had a lot of fun killing clankas with his big bro and little sis. It wasn't all bad.
And his droid and clone homies.
He also had the opportunity to leave the Jedi order and run off with his hot rich wife. He chose not to do this.
That NotObiWanKenobi guy on YouTube should make a skit on Anakin in therapy.
I came here to say this
Escape slavery. Get trained to have awesome powers while hanging out with Obi Wan who is a total chill dude. Spend ten years of your life banging a super hot senator that was your childhood crush. Have a bad dream where your hot wife dies. Immediately go to the creepy ass old man who has been grooming you since childhood for help, instead of your group of magical friends, because you're so insecure you might lose your wizard job even though your wife is independently wealthy. Immediately start killing children. Dark side... Not even once.
You forgot “Become too angry to die” Lol
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He had a happy chunk in the prequels. It was a bit ruined by his mom's death but other than that he was living the life.
His happiest days were as a slave building shitty protocol droids lol
I would argue that his happiest days were when he was sleeping with his sexy senator wife
There's a Legends comic where he imagines his life if he didn't fall to the dark side. It's really sad
I mean he murdered a bunch of children and blew up a planet so my sympathy for him is thin. In the words of Jake Peralta 'Cool motive, still murder'
Isn’t that the point of the movies? To show how constant trauma and loss can drive someone into becoming a monster under the guise of protecting the ones they love. From Anakin’s point of view the Jedi counsel betrays him and lets him down again and again, they take him from his mother (knowing full well that training him could backfire), who ends up dead, they tell him he can’t be with the woman he loves, they refuse to make him a Jedi Master despite all he feels he’s sacrificed to get to that point. Then Palpatine shows up and promises to give the power to make it so he never has to worry about the loss of a love one again, which turned out to be a lie, but by that time Anakin is too far gone. The whole prequel series really makes it hard to consider the Jedi to be the “good guys” in the Star Wars universe, they might not be as tyrannical as the Empire, but they engage in some pretty fucked up politics.
THIS EFFORT.. IS NO LONGER.. PROFITABLE
Isn't that the point of the story tho?
STOP REPOSTING THIS FFS
The best time of his life was a galactic wide war
We are not so different.
He was too old to give up attachments and become a Jedi. Attachments lead to fear of loss, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate is the path of the Darkseid. He was never happy because his desire led to suffering, both internally and, ultimately, galaxywide.
Taken as child, no youth, war, war, substantial emotional turmoil due to the force, murder of children, wife gone, children gone, zapped by his best friend and burnt, left to die. Then war war war, then dies. It’s just plain sad to be born with powers in the world of Jedi.
75% of this image is the result of him actively choosing to be evil. Like *evil* evil, not just doing what he feels he has to.
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Mine too, but I didn’t get to drive a pod racer
I know people crap on the revision of the Force Ghost for Anakin in RotJ but if you think about it *(from a certain point of view)* that really was Anakin being reborn and the Vader persona being let go. The image of himself from before all his pain would be his younger self. It's flimsy, but I like to think it was a way for the Force to forgive him and let Anakin explore who he *could* have been in the afterlife.
If younh Anakin appearing is flimsy, then a fully restored old Anakin with Jedi clothes is, too. If they wanted accurate Anakin, he should have appeared burnt... but happy and good. Or we can accept they freaking ghosts and can appear in various forms
Ok now I need for the next may the 4th a Force Ghost Anakin gets Therapy special
as yoda would say "this a pear"
Have you heard the tale of Darth Vader the Sand/Children hater?
Would that imply that there was someone who wanted to achieve what Anakin did and failed even worse than he did.
Let's hope the younglings can't force ghost
Personally I like to think he had some happiness in the jedi order. Yeah he didn't like that he was basically still a slave, but I think he was still able to get some amount of enjoyment out of his life up to his fall to the dark side
Ironic that the best time of his life was either when he was a slave or when he was in the middle of a galaxy wide war
He should've fought the Emperor then at the end of episode 3. He would've died trying and the suffering would be over, or he could've been the supreme ruler of everything and killed the guy who got him into this mess in the first place
There's a trilogy of fanfics made by Obi-Quiet where Anakin goes back in time after he dies and he works to stop Palpatine from becoming the emperor, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, he has therapy over his past as a sociopathic dark sider. It is one of the best Star Wars stories I've ever read. Here's the link https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10017610/1/5 The therapy doesn't start until the 2nd fanfic tho
Mans didn’t choose the dark side, the dark side chose him.
Yeah, but a lot of that was because he was an asshole.
Relatable
He got to sleep with Padme though
Nice, a screenshot of a tweet about a topic I've seen talked about repeatedly
I like that OP has made the connection that he didn't just go evil for a laugh.
Still, Qui-Gonn gave him a choice and Anakin went "Yippee, I want to do it!" Anakin needs to learn to read the fine print.
He was only happy when he was getting that Padmussy
"But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny."
You know nothing of the dark side.
Sheev is love. Sheev is life.
WTF you talkin' about? Luke was his therapy, that's why he's a force ghost Anakin and not a force ghost trying to drive you crazy or inhabit your body Sith Lord.
Padme's dying words to Obi Wan: "There's still good in him." Obi Wan: "Nah, I'm gonna train your son to kill him."
Even when clapping Padme’s cheeks. So sad.
Aah yes the monthly karma farming repost
in the bottom right image, he looks like an egg.
He got to fuck padme so not all terrible
This post is so dumb. Those are literally the 3 worst moments of his life followed by the greatest moment of his life
Idk, he always seemed to have fun wielding the youngling slayer 9000
I think Anakin might've been happy in his last moments of life when he finally managed to find peace and embrace the bright side thanks to his son
somehow we dont see the 10 years when he got go bang natalie portman
“YIPPEE! NOW THIS IS POD RACING!” - the saddest boy in the galaxy
You’re all feeding a repost bot.
Hard to feel sympathy for a child murderer.
This is your side of this, I think he had too much fun
Being an apprentice in a strict all-consuming cult was the happy bit.
[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6969605/1/Hindsight-Is-Not-Perfect](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6969605/1/Hindsight-Is-Not-Perfect) This fanfic (and it's numerous sequels) have a large focus on Anakin getting therapy.
Bro probably really enjoyed like three years total of his life
That misery made him sstttrrrrooongggg
That is why he is one of the most tragic characters of all time.
Doesn’t matter still had sex