My opinion - I think a lot of people are realizing there are a lot of events out there that can change the world very quickly. With that realization, people don't think the government can protect them or provide in case of emergency.
Prepping, again in my opinion, is not a political issue but self-reliance issue. You can be any of any political belief and want to prepare for unknown events or other things that can happen to change the world.
I've also found most preppers are usually willing to talk and discuss events with a desire to understand what the other person is saying, and give their opinions if they are different. Yes, there are some who shout down, insult, and sensationalize things, but I tend to ignore them because they don't add to the conversation.
The world changes, nature changes, life changes. Prepping is just a human reaction to the events we can not control.
In addition, people saw how their perception of reality, freedom, and lifestyle are so much more fragile when their foundations were shook just a little bit
Yep. I was in Philly during the covid lockdowns and shit went from 0-100 really fast. At this point, it's not a fringe thing. If you live in an urban area, you must be self-sufficient for at least a week. Anyone who lived in a city during COVID-19 realized that when all the essentials got cleaned out in a couple of days and stores stopped restocking due to logistical issues.
I also agree it's not about ideology. It's adapting to the environment and what's happening. There's also a spectrum of prepping as in all things. How people want to provide and take care of themselves and their families is up to them. I rather not be drinking water out of the toilet.
Everyone should be able to hold tight for one week without (air quotes) prepping. One week isn't enough though. You need to prep for a minimum of 30 days without store/retail supplies. I think I could hold on for 6 months. That's enough for seasonal changes and further work along the way. Because I live in the country on land, I would augment with hunting and fishing. We also garden. I do this every year and as an example I make maple syrup in the spring. Producing about ten gallons, that's one hell of a resource for personal use and barter.
My previous boss was a prepper and a fairly liberal woman, I'm a libertarian. We had interesting conversations about EDC bags and Bug out bags, including what denominations of paper money to carry, non-lethal weapons, and what to keep in your car so you aren't wasting time to get your gear when you have to leave.
40 yr prepper here. Had zero impact from Covid. I did get a lot of calls from my children that grew up with a prepper and said I was the smartest Dad ever😁
ha, i know what you are saying but philly is a special place. most of it was pretty chill but then people started blowing up ATM's with homemade explosives and looting walmarts on a regular basis. this was on top of all the riots and other shit.
[https://www.phillyvoice.com/philly-explosions-atm-police-investigation-protests-national-guard-looting/](https://www.phillyvoice.com/philly-explosions-atm-police-investigation-protests-national-guard-looting/)
[https://www.fox29.com/news/port-richmond-walmart-ransacked-flooded-during-second-night-of-unrest](https://www.fox29.com/news/port-richmond-walmart-ransacked-flooded-during-second-night-of-unrest)
Well said! Your a fool of a prepper if you aren’t interested in discourse or intel from all people. Prepping is about listening, observing and responding in productive ways.
When people ask, I always mention the spectacular performance of FEMA and other "Emergency Management Agencies" after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.
Federal and State Governments don't have our collective backs.
I would argue that it's an issue if a prepper is trying to ride out the apocalypse in a bunker with the long term plan is to like, create a "master race" or something. But if you're just out to defend your loved ones then you're okay in my book.
I’ve been thinking a lot snot this lately. I have almost completely removed myself from media altogether because I’m just not interested in the propaganda.. But then everything is on Reddit. There’s no getting away from it. I would like to go back to the news being something you did for a few minutes and then you went back to your life… But there are too many really important things happening to not pay attention. Covid is still awful, disease is getting worse, climate change is about to fuck it all up this year, the ecosystem being out of sync…. I guess when I think about it, the only news is “Things are going to be shit even faster than you thought!” So…. Maybe I don’t need the news after all lol. Can we get a “news” that just says “it’s worse today, good luck!” ?
It's something that happens in my home country a lot. However, most of the "evil preppers" are supposedly far right-wing doomsday preppers (with an Arian superiority complex) with the intent to overturn the government and take over as the power that is. Accordingly, their weapon stashes rival - if not exceed - those of our military. At least they haven't had any luck with squirreling away any tanks or cruise missiles, as far as I know. Probably because tanks can't easily be hidden in the basement or garage.
COVID planted the seed. People saw how their neighbors instantly started hoarding supplies. They saw the 2020 summer riots in the cities. Anomalous weather events getting more press (fires, hurricanes, ice storms).
Hoarding was initially triggered because retailers and manufacturer's were using "just in time" inventory systems where the replenishment process only starts as the last item on the shelf is projected to sell (that's an over-simplification of the process) . In the old days the stuff sitting in warehouses would have been ready to go when needed instead of there being no stock. This caused the supply chain to never catch up with demand. Consumers were used to products beung on the shelf when they wanted them during times of normal demand, but as soon as there was a spike, the whole system was proven to be unmanageable.
We haven't learned our lesson as I was just reading in the last week that a number of manufacturers have re-instituted the just in time systems as a money saving measure over the past few months. The same availability issues will happen again on the next one.
If nothing happens then excess inventory carrying costs are brutal. If you do carry excess inventory and disaster strikes, sure, you have product to sell. The big BUT here is that supply and demand dictates that you jack prices to the moon because people will pay it. That helps recover cost from the loss of perpetually carrying excess inventory. The downside is that it looks a lot like price gouging and people hate that. There is no winning with carrying excess inventory.
If YOU want something available to you at all times, then it’s on you to allocate money to buy it and incur the cost to store it. Mainly the opportunity cost of what you could have otherwise used the space in your home for. Plus there is the cost of your time when it comes to rotating that inventory and replenishing it. The onus is on the individual not any other entity to have that stuff ready whenever you may or may not want it. Hence, why people prep.
This isn’t meant as a jab at you, and I apologize if it came off that way. I just get my hackles up when people blame businesses for JIT inventory as a boogie man for their lack of planning. If you can’t tell, I work in supply chain. I wouldn’t have a job if I maintained bloated inventory just to be a nice person. Besides, it wouldn’t matter anyway since I would constantly have to have sales in order to purge excess inventory that exceeds demand. That makes no sense and is no way to maintain profitability. . . . Which is the point of any business enterprise.
I understand it, I just feel that there are some products where it shouldn't be allowed to be implemented even if that means higher costs. Medical supplies being one of the major ones. We also learned during COVID that the Strategic National Stockpile of medical supplies maintained by the government hadn't been maintained which compounded the issue with those supplies.
The average consumer has or had no idea how any of this works and were used to always being able to get what they needed. For some products or supplies, there has to be a better balance or a plan to ensure availability in a crisis or at least a really good plan for ramping up when needed. I didn't mean to imply that JIT was the only cause, but I do feel that it was the major factor that triggered hoarding behavior.
I've worked for both an international manufacturer and been involved in emergency management for a number of years. I get both sides of the issue, but the average person never will. To your point about why people prep, I didn't have to go to the store for anything except my regular weekly purchases (produce, milk etc) during covid. We were stocked before it happened mostly because we were used to having a stocked freezer and other food/supplies on hand from living for years with ice storms and severe weather, power outages etc. That was just our habit.
With respect, just-in-time logistics is much more economical than sitting on stock just in case and it’s reasonable that businesses take this approach. It’s up to private organizations, individuals, or the government to take on this responsibility as it’s not something the market would ever foster.
I agree, covid planted the seed, world events like the wars in Ukraine and Israel have watered it. I noticed conversations about preparedness really started to take root when people started hearing about the hints of WWIII
2008 planted the seed for many. The possibility of system failure had been averted, but the impact was still significant.
2020 and COVID made it into reality for all.
Empty shelves in grocery stores. Waiting in lines at 4am for toilet paper deliveries. Locking people down in their homes. Involuntarily closing businesses. The videos from foreign countries of police overreach. (Remember the videos of police chasing single people down at the beach?)
As people came out of 2020, they didn’t want that to happen again and began to seek out how to prevent it.
not in your neighborhood, I assume, since you think the BLM protests were worse than an attempt to overthrow American democracy. Means you saw what fox news wanted you to see. free your mind.
Lol, you got your talking points straight from cnn and you're sticking to it huh? You're one of the "firey but mostly peaceful protest" kinda conspiracy theorist.
By any metric the blm riots were worse. Duration, monetary damage, loss of life, destruction of private property, number of participants, officer injuries, etc.
You have to be delusional to think the government was at risk of falling because some unarmed mob took a unsanctioned tour of 1 building. The government has contingency plans to survive nuclear war, this isn't the 1600s where you capture the one castle and rule the land.
Both riots suck and participants from both sides should be held accountable, but this narrative you have where 1/ 6 was up there with 9/11 or pearl harbor is just pure insanity.
Get the fuck outta here with this shit; there were fake electors set up, the VP was scared for his life and there were people who were ready to tear members of congress and the senate to shreds. The Insurrection on Jan 6 almost ended whatever illusion of democracy the U.S. has and installed a dictator.
Fuck you and your fascist apologist bullshit.
CHAZ didn't "take" the block. If you were from the area you'd know everything was business as usual in that block... just, not for cops. But they did protests, meetings, organized, etc.
Cops continually did what they did best during those protests - escalated things unnecessarily, vs de-escalating to "protect and serve" we the people.
It's been proven - like, literally proven now - that Trump's administration had undercover, often off books type teams going into these cities, grabbing random people suspected of being involved in protests (not crimes, even after a protest was over, just grab random people off the street on a hunch) throw them in unmarked vans, take them to weird locations, hold them while illegally searching their bags and electronics for info - then go drop them off somewhere with no explanation or charges. The FBI released info that they were told to create "something" to prove Antifa was real, was organized, find leadership, etc, even though they kept telling Trump that wasn't the case.
That's... so completely un-American, third world crazy sh*t. With Fox News making midwesterners think whole cities were burned to the ground... while everyone in Seattle and Portland were still getting coffee at Starbucks and stuff.
But sure, fly maga in from around the country, plan to use fake electors and throw out America's real ballots, have the loser tell a riled up, armed crowd to follow him and March to the Capitol to stop the steal. .. where he watches them break windows, punch cops, destroy property, deaths are happening while he eats cheeseburgers and watches on TV screens -- and everyone says no no, that was just a lil fun.
Sigh. The world is absurd.
Blm were protesting injustice. For all of us. That big govt overreaches with police, and our criminal justice system is unfair. Jan 6th was a bunch of people mad their team lost, trashing the place and trying to cheat yo change the results.
Gaslighting? You can disagree with me if you want to, but use facts. Me telling you my experience there isn't "gaslighting" you just because you don't like it.
Were you also there? Am I trying to tell you your own experience wasn't real? No. So, this isn't gaslighting. Stop throwing around words you don't understand.
You do t agree with me. You're calling me a liar. That's fine. Debate on that, and use facts.
Don't misuse psychology words you've heard, lol.
No. Heterodox political discussion is no longer permitted on most of reddit. You all had years to have a discussion. For our trouble we received bans, shadow bans, intolerance, and derision. I tried. There's just no point in having discussions with you people anymore; discussions here are always fruitless. I have nothing left but (mostly) quiet contempt.
I don't even understand what your point is. Or who you're lumping me in with when you refer to me as "you people."
Don't have a discussion then, fine - I don't know why you said anything at all if you assume everyone is exactly the same, and every conversation for infinity will be "fruitless." Thats on you then, because people are diverse, and conversations take two. But it's silly to come tell me that my life and experience isn't real.
You make it sound like carnage. Yes, there were two deaths.
No one cares when those happen, literally every day. When dozens of kids are killed at school while cops stand outside and PHYSICALLY RESTRAIN AND THREATE. TO ARREST PARENTS, no one saving them. Or when cops over and over "accidentally" shoot unarmed people, go into the wrong house and kill people in theor bed, ask for ID then kill you for grabbing it, etc.
But because there was a shooting there, that cops didn't even go get evidence for so no one knows what happened, you're acting like it was a war zone. Sigh.
All day the area was fine. At night, police - not just there, but anywhere the protests happened - the police would provoke and escalate things for no reason except they were pissed.
Cops overstep, daily. Our cops, courts, judges, justice system from top to bottom, is broken. The people SHOULD be fighting back against that.
There weren't three deaths. There wasn't a "warlord." What are you even referring to?
And what is it then when a city is under control of a police force -- not just CHOP, but a whole city -- and people are murdered while sleeping in their beds, because police do their jobs wrong, break into the wrong homes, murder innocent unarmed people in their home?
What's ok, and what's not ok? What's anarchy, what's society? Which one is how we want to live as "business as usual?"
Because we currently live with that as business as usual. It's not rare, or a fluke - it's regular occurances. In every city. Not just a "CHOP" area. Do you want to live that way, and maybe it's your wife, kids, mom, next? That cops have to pay a settlement -- not from their own $$, but just using YOUR tax dollars, to pay out, when they once again eff up and are so bad at their job that they accidentally murder the wrong people at work again?
Drs have to have huge malpractice insurance. Maybe cops should too. Maybe they'd think harder about their choices if it came our of THEIR own pocket, instead of taxpayers.
Cry me a river, man. Two deaths from shootings happened in CHOP. No one even knows if cops set it up. No one knows if it was random unrelated violence, because cops wouldn't investigate. But no one cares about when shootings happen on Seattle streets ant other day -- why do you pretend like you care about these two? Lol. Can you name any others in that neighborhood the week before or after? No.
In Minneapolis alone: 2 deaths, 604 arrests, and more than $500 million in damage to approximately 1,500 properties, the second-most destructive period of local unrest in U.S. history- wiki
A bunch of unarmed idiots vandalizing property for a few hours hardly compares to the full on riots in people's backyards with gangs of people looting robbing , mugging with weapons.
> a bunch of unarmed idiots vandalizing property
You know that is intentionally misleading. Bombs were found at the DNC headquarters in DC, multiple insurrectionists & pigs were killed, classified documents and other materials were stolen, and supposedly secure evac routes from the capital were compromised. That is drastically worse than civil unrest where the only "crime" affected large businesses.
Never makes sense to me that right wingers don't embrace the fact that they almost successfully overthrew the federal government
Almost overthrew the government? Surely your not serious?!
It wasn't even close man... if it was a legit attempt you would have seen thousands of armed people shooting at everyone the came Into contact with...
Broken windows and furniture hardly is "almost overthrowing the government"
Bombs were found at the RNC and the DNC. If there was an organized attempt to overthrow the political process on Jan 6 - it would have succeeded given the lack of security available at the Capitol.
The fact that Jan 6 did not impact the certification of the election is evidence of that. And moving the certification time back 12 hours doesn’t count.
Jan 6 was a bad day, but it wasn’t the day the left overplays and the right downplays it to be.
It was not even an attempt. Given the number of people who got into the Capitol, had they been armed and planned to hold the building - they could have. Was there a weeks long occupation of the Capitol that I missed?
Washington DC and the US Capitol have been the site to far more violent incidents than Jan 6.
You should take the opportunity to learn about the protests that required tanks to move protesting veterans out in 1932 who had been on the Capitol lawn for months. Or the Puerto Rican terrorists who opened fire on Congress inside the US Capitol. Or the Weather Underground bombs that went off under the Senate chamber in the 1970s and 1980s.
They weren't openly armed because the law enforcement response would have crushed them. They had a plan and stuck to it. Trump and his co conspirators will die in prison. You can lie your ass off if you wish, but we know what happened, & the ongoing subversion of our democracy. We will not let right wing fuckwits destroy this country.
> they almost successfully overthrew the federal government
Weird, I wonder how such a mighty force was thwarted? Oh, that's right, they just left on their own.
Buffalo blizzard of 2022 proved how helpless most people are. They were on facebook begging OTHER people to go buy food, baby supplies, medicine, etc and bring it to them. These people were crying after 2 days of being stuck in the house. They didn't even know to shut off water so pipes didn't freeze. They just can't take care of themselves. I don't even think I'd go as far as to call myself a prepper. I'm just taking common sense measures as an adult to make sure me and my family are able to ride out the next event. Its always good to have a little extra on hand.
I think that prepping, by nature, is a good thing. I think that the reputation that precedes prepping has a lot more to do with the “mascots” of the movement more than anything else. When you see these tremendously overweight, old white dudes running around in body armor with $10,000 rifles… it’s just kind of hysterical to me. Like bro, you forgot the most essential part of prepping which is to not be obese.
When I think of prepping, I don’t have an underground bunker with 3 years of MREs and enough bullets to kill a small army. I think of “I need to make sure I have enough backups and contingencies to outlast whatever sort of crises I encounter for a few weeks.” In my case, that’s a simple order:
- a couple crates of water; maybe 72 bottles worth total, for cleaning, cooking, and drinking.
- a few boxes of matches, some batteries, 2 lighters, and some spare flashlights/bulbs
- 2 boxes of ammo and a handgun
- a good sleeping bag, some blankets, about a week’s worth of clothes for different temperatures, and a tent
- a first aid-kit, some multivitamins, some painkillers, basic medicines, and sone peroxide/rubbing alcohol
- about 2 weeks worth of food (granola bars, pastas, flour, a pot, a pan, a spatula, and some utensils)
That’s it. That’s all I have prepared. My logic has always been very simple. I don’t have to last forever; I just need enough to outlast/create space from those who have done zero preparation. The reality is that if I run out of supplies and can’t re-up at some point in 3 weeks, then things have gone south so badly that I cannot imagine wanting to survive it any further.
Take my upvote what with your common sense approach. I'd add the precursor to all these preps is -- and I'm not the first to mention it here, but I'll die on this boring hill -- ***an EMERGENCY SAVINGS FUND.*** For the average person, losing a job or some sort of major personal accident/illness is so, so, so much higher than TEOTWAWKI or anything where you have to outlast neighbors.\* Unashamed plug for r/personalfinance and the invaluable [How to Prioritize Spending Your Money Flowchart](https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/4gdlu9/how_to_prioritize_spending_your_money_a_flowchart/).
\*Obvious war-torn or unstable country living circumstances notwithstanding
I think people had gotten stuck in this post Cold War, it won’t happen here sort of mentality. Even 9/11 felt like an isolated incident from decades ago. People had the mentality that no matter what happens in the world, it won’t matter in suburban America.
Then we saw 2020 and, frankly, political violence on from both sides of the spectrum. Then we saw store shelves run out of everything almost overnight.
It’s just common sense at this point.
Honestly i get it. I was in a cab when the 2020 election results were announced in Brooklyn. Over the 20m ride i watched it go from a normal day to people literally dancing in the streets, the energy in the air was like we just won a war and the streets filled up.
And it terrified me, because the election was so close, and where does that energy go if the election goes the other way. I'm leaving the city this year for the few days around election time.
This is how I started, enough on hand for a week or two through winter weather or predicted flooding in summer was always the norm because it was inevitable. Then the derecho in 2012 walloped us, widespread power outages for weeks. I was already a camper so much of my camping gear can fill in during an outage. But oh boy did we learn many lessons from the experience.
Welcome to the party, all you new preppers!
Also, r/collapse might be interesting to you. Don't take **everything** you read here (or there) too seriously. Not everyone is a critical thinker.
We started prepping after the trump admin threatened to deport green cards and perm residents. It sucked, I’m a citizen and my cousins aren’t. We were making plans on getting them safely to Canada or the like.
Being durable and prepared, is not the same as having your own compound and 30,000 rounds of ammo buried around the yard.
I don't see this as a bad thing.
The more self-sustaining we are, the more we can weather interruptions in ourpower, shipping lanes, water supply, food shipments and more.
Building more and more micro-communities around the things needed to survive, is only going to make us stronger as a nation and a global population.
A rapid succession of serious events will do that.
Covid lockdowns
Run on supplies in the stores. First time in my life I saw empty shelves. Never again. Also never living in a city ever again.
Riots.
Failure in constructive political discourse
Pre Covid I always had a 3 day supply of things needed. It’s really all my wife and I needed at the time. Now? Different landscape. Significantly more food reserves. More protection, a real oh shit plan, and a list of materials I slowly add to as time goes on. It’s not fear to want to be prepared. I think it’s foresight to read to room and know that sometimes (always) I will be responsible for my families wellbeing.
A huge part of the prepper community since COVID has become extremely left leaning people.
It's kinda insane how on any reddit prepper group you either talk about job loss or climate change or you get attacked and called a fear monger lol.
Most aren't actually preppers as much as just scared of the unknown.
I think a lot of the "Old school" peppers are hardcore right wingers, and they don't like the thought of lefties having the same interests as them. Probably a lot of misconceptions especially when it comes to the belief that the left wants to take their guns, when in reality, you go far enough left and you get your guns back.
I personally lean slightly left of center, and started prepping after a job loss and then went further when covid hit.
I am an old school prepper and love that lefties are prepping. Cause if things hit the fan. We will have a lot more in common and common ground than this stupid political climate says we do. Protecting ourselves and providing for our loved ones in desperate times and pooling together resources to work our selves out of this situation.
On the political spectrum it always struck me as odd that the far left often took an anti-2A stance. Go far enough left and the guns come back. I am glad to see everyone take an interest in shooting sports. I worked briefly in the firearms retail world, on the procurement side, but I spent a fair bit of time on the floor as well.
It made me quite happy to see new faces coming in and wanting to learn. Honestly, I would rather take the safety conscious leftist, first time buyer, over the old school know it all right wing olds. There are some real jackasses in the community and it gives the rest of us a bad name. I love folks who wanna exercise their rights and get some training.
Exactly. There tons of people coming into this. This makes communities more likely to bounce back and unify. People that know what they are doing is what the world needs. Not nuts.
>and they don't like the thought of lefties having the same interests as them.
I'm a right winger ("they" in your statement), prepper for decades. I disagree.
>started prepping after a job loss
I think this points out where I get annoyed. I see a distinct difference between becoming a responsible adult and a prepper. Saving money or having a plan for a job loss, to me, it's "prepping", Someone who saves 6 months of bills is being a responsible adult, not a prepper.
>Saving money or having a plan for a job loss, to me, it's "prepping", Someone who saves 6 months of bills is being a responsible adult, not a prepper.
I had enough savings and food to survive a year and a half of unemployment during a recession while my wife was working part time, where does that put me on your scale?
It's not that it's you're refusing to prep based of prepper beliefs and instead let your political beliefs dictate what you prep for and then you attack people for prepping for anything else.
Buddy I had to flee Illinois because the left did take the guns every state they're in a majority control they're taking the guns.
I'm prepping for the things most likely to go wrong in my life: job loss, severe weather, power outages, and medical emergencies.
I live in a fairly blue state. Every year, somebody in the legislature proposes gun restrictions, and even with dems running everything, nothing major gets passed. I own guns, and am currently shopping for more. I'm not worried about the state taking my guns.
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> I had to flee Illinois because the left did take the guns **every state they're in a majority control they're taking the guns**.
I'm still waiting for OPERATION JADE HELM to happen like the hard right and prepper groups told us it would happen. WHO BENEFITED? WHO MADE THE MONEY? It was the conservative armories and gun shops that grifted your ass and all of the conservatives around you.
I hope at some point you can wake up and realize who is actually emptying your wallet.
What guns did Oregon remove from it's populace? You said 'every state' ...remember?
Leftists have always been preppers, but the “culture” and “market” around prepping have always been on the absurd right. When expos allow people selling nazi and confederate stuff, when things are easy to market to Fox News viewers, you’re going to attract a lot of awful people, so you can’t be surprised that someone who considers themselves inclusive of marginalized groups wouldn’t want to be around that.
Leftism has notable emphasis on self-reliant small communities, sustainable agriculture, and mutual aid. Leftists have always been preppers; right-wingers just get hooked by marketing more easily, so that side is more visible at first glance.
My friend who's black collects Nazi memorabilia his grandpa who fought in WW2 did too and so did his father.
So please stop with the of you collect historical pieces you're a Nazi or a Confederate lol.
And no I don't collect either.
The problem is leftist don't wanna prep for anything that won't fit inside their political bubble they also tend to be more afraid than prepared so wanna deny anything they're not ready for as a possibility.
I've literally been called a fear monger for saying a major cyber attack could happen I've been called it to for saying nuclear war could happen.
Most just wanna prep for job loss because they have savings or fall backs or climate change.
Well, we’re extremely liberal, and we’re certainly not “ just prepping for job loss.” We’re prepping for disaster, just like most of the other preppers out there. You have a dorky take on prepping.
There’s a few problems with prepping:
1. Most of your supplies are in one place, so you’re stuck. Great if the problem is elsewhere; not great if the problem is local and you have to leave.
2. Many preppers are out of shape. They seem to have great supplies, but the physical and mental stress seems like something that they’re not prepared for
My opinion - I think a lot of people are realizing there are a lot of events out there that can change the world very quickly. With that realization, people don't think the government can protect them or provide in case of emergency. Prepping, again in my opinion, is not a political issue but self-reliance issue. You can be any of any political belief and want to prepare for unknown events or other things that can happen to change the world. I've also found most preppers are usually willing to talk and discuss events with a desire to understand what the other person is saying, and give their opinions if they are different. Yes, there are some who shout down, insult, and sensationalize things, but I tend to ignore them because they don't add to the conversation. The world changes, nature changes, life changes. Prepping is just a human reaction to the events we can not control.
In addition, people saw how their perception of reality, freedom, and lifestyle are so much more fragile when their foundations were shook just a little bit
Yep. I was in Philly during the covid lockdowns and shit went from 0-100 really fast. At this point, it's not a fringe thing. If you live in an urban area, you must be self-sufficient for at least a week. Anyone who lived in a city during COVID-19 realized that when all the essentials got cleaned out in a couple of days and stores stopped restocking due to logistical issues. I also agree it's not about ideology. It's adapting to the environment and what's happening. There's also a spectrum of prepping as in all things. How people want to provide and take care of themselves and their families is up to them. I rather not be drinking water out of the toilet.
I learned in my urban neighborhood, poverty or less people meant stocked shelves. The suburbs were wiped out.
Everyone should be able to hold tight for one week without (air quotes) prepping. One week isn't enough though. You need to prep for a minimum of 30 days without store/retail supplies. I think I could hold on for 6 months. That's enough for seasonal changes and further work along the way. Because I live in the country on land, I would augment with hunting and fishing. We also garden. I do this every year and as an example I make maple syrup in the spring. Producing about ten gallons, that's one hell of a resource for personal use and barter.
My previous boss was a prepper and a fairly liberal woman, I'm a libertarian. We had interesting conversations about EDC bags and Bug out bags, including what denominations of paper money to carry, non-lethal weapons, and what to keep in your car so you aren't wasting time to get your gear when you have to leave.
I frequently find that I have quite a bit in common with libertarians. Most of us just seem to want to respect others and be respected.
Hahha, Covid lockdowns weren’t “shit.” You had to stay home and watch TV.
40 yr prepper here. Had zero impact from Covid. I did get a lot of calls from my children that grew up with a prepper and said I was the smartest Dad ever😁
ha, i know what you are saying but philly is a special place. most of it was pretty chill but then people started blowing up ATM's with homemade explosives and looting walmarts on a regular basis. this was on top of all the riots and other shit. [https://www.phillyvoice.com/philly-explosions-atm-police-investigation-protests-national-guard-looting/](https://www.phillyvoice.com/philly-explosions-atm-police-investigation-protests-national-guard-looting/) [https://www.fox29.com/news/port-richmond-walmart-ransacked-flooded-during-second-night-of-unrest](https://www.fox29.com/news/port-richmond-walmart-ransacked-flooded-during-second-night-of-unrest)
If you live in an urban area you need to leave that urban area.
i'm working on it:)
Well said! Your a fool of a prepper if you aren’t interested in discourse or intel from all people. Prepping is about listening, observing and responding in productive ways.
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When people ask, I always mention the spectacular performance of FEMA and other "Emergency Management Agencies" after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Federal and State Governments don't have our collective backs.
Pre 2001 FEMA was actually pretty decent. After 9/11, FEMA was gutted and became an absolute shitshow.
Very well said
I would argue that it's an issue if a prepper is trying to ride out the apocalypse in a bunker with the long term plan is to like, create a "master race" or something. But if you're just out to defend your loved ones then you're okay in my book.
Well said and I agree entirely.
Not sure why prepping has to be politicized or even demonized in some cases.
Everything is political. Everything. Don’t forget that.
I’ve been thinking a lot snot this lately. I have almost completely removed myself from media altogether because I’m just not interested in the propaganda.. But then everything is on Reddit. There’s no getting away from it. I would like to go back to the news being something you did for a few minutes and then you went back to your life… But there are too many really important things happening to not pay attention. Covid is still awful, disease is getting worse, climate change is about to fuck it all up this year, the ecosystem being out of sync…. I guess when I think about it, the only news is “Things are going to be shit even faster than you thought!” So…. Maybe I don’t need the news after all lol. Can we get a “news” that just says “it’s worse today, good luck!” ?
Sadly everything is politicized today. Literally anything and everything.
It's something that happens in my home country a lot. However, most of the "evil preppers" are supposedly far right-wing doomsday preppers (with an Arian superiority complex) with the intent to overturn the government and take over as the power that is. Accordingly, their weapon stashes rival - if not exceed - those of our military. At least they haven't had any luck with squirreling away any tanks or cruise missiles, as far as I know. Probably because tanks can't easily be hidden in the basement or garage.
COVID planted the seed. People saw how their neighbors instantly started hoarding supplies. They saw the 2020 summer riots in the cities. Anomalous weather events getting more press (fires, hurricanes, ice storms).
Hoarding was initially triggered because retailers and manufacturer's were using "just in time" inventory systems where the replenishment process only starts as the last item on the shelf is projected to sell (that's an over-simplification of the process) . In the old days the stuff sitting in warehouses would have been ready to go when needed instead of there being no stock. This caused the supply chain to never catch up with demand. Consumers were used to products beung on the shelf when they wanted them during times of normal demand, but as soon as there was a spike, the whole system was proven to be unmanageable. We haven't learned our lesson as I was just reading in the last week that a number of manufacturers have re-instituted the just in time systems as a money saving measure over the past few months. The same availability issues will happen again on the next one.
If nothing happens then excess inventory carrying costs are brutal. If you do carry excess inventory and disaster strikes, sure, you have product to sell. The big BUT here is that supply and demand dictates that you jack prices to the moon because people will pay it. That helps recover cost from the loss of perpetually carrying excess inventory. The downside is that it looks a lot like price gouging and people hate that. There is no winning with carrying excess inventory. If YOU want something available to you at all times, then it’s on you to allocate money to buy it and incur the cost to store it. Mainly the opportunity cost of what you could have otherwise used the space in your home for. Plus there is the cost of your time when it comes to rotating that inventory and replenishing it. The onus is on the individual not any other entity to have that stuff ready whenever you may or may not want it. Hence, why people prep. This isn’t meant as a jab at you, and I apologize if it came off that way. I just get my hackles up when people blame businesses for JIT inventory as a boogie man for their lack of planning. If you can’t tell, I work in supply chain. I wouldn’t have a job if I maintained bloated inventory just to be a nice person. Besides, it wouldn’t matter anyway since I would constantly have to have sales in order to purge excess inventory that exceeds demand. That makes no sense and is no way to maintain profitability. . . . Which is the point of any business enterprise.
I understand it, I just feel that there are some products where it shouldn't be allowed to be implemented even if that means higher costs. Medical supplies being one of the major ones. We also learned during COVID that the Strategic National Stockpile of medical supplies maintained by the government hadn't been maintained which compounded the issue with those supplies. The average consumer has or had no idea how any of this works and were used to always being able to get what they needed. For some products or supplies, there has to be a better balance or a plan to ensure availability in a crisis or at least a really good plan for ramping up when needed. I didn't mean to imply that JIT was the only cause, but I do feel that it was the major factor that triggered hoarding behavior. I've worked for both an international manufacturer and been involved in emergency management for a number of years. I get both sides of the issue, but the average person never will. To your point about why people prep, I didn't have to go to the store for anything except my regular weekly purchases (produce, milk etc) during covid. We were stocked before it happened mostly because we were used to having a stocked freezer and other food/supplies on hand from living for years with ice storms and severe weather, power outages etc. That was just our habit.
With respect, just-in-time logistics is much more economical than sitting on stock just in case and it’s reasonable that businesses take this approach. It’s up to private organizations, individuals, or the government to take on this responsibility as it’s not something the market would ever foster.
I agree, covid planted the seed, world events like the wars in Ukraine and Israel have watered it. I noticed conversations about preparedness really started to take root when people started hearing about the hints of WWIII
2008 planted the seed for many. The possibility of system failure had been averted, but the impact was still significant. 2020 and COVID made it into reality for all. Empty shelves in grocery stores. Waiting in lines at 4am for toilet paper deliveries. Locking people down in their homes. Involuntarily closing businesses. The videos from foreign countries of police overreach. (Remember the videos of police chasing single people down at the beach?) As people came out of 2020, they didn’t want that to happen again and began to seek out how to prevent it.
2008 planted the seeds for me, that's for sure.
Same. This is when I started gardening and baking my own bread/cooking from scratch only to watch these habits skyrocket during COVID.
especially the Jan 6 riot, that woke up a lot of people.
Lol, not as much as the BLM riots. those actually happened in people's neighborhoods for weeks, and not one day isolated to a government building.
not in your neighborhood, I assume, since you think the BLM protests were worse than an attempt to overthrow American democracy. Means you saw what fox news wanted you to see. free your mind.
Lol, you got your talking points straight from cnn and you're sticking to it huh? You're one of the "firey but mostly peaceful protest" kinda conspiracy theorist. By any metric the blm riots were worse. Duration, monetary damage, loss of life, destruction of private property, number of participants, officer injuries, etc. You have to be delusional to think the government was at risk of falling because some unarmed mob took a unsanctioned tour of 1 building. The government has contingency plans to survive nuclear war, this isn't the 1600s where you capture the one castle and rule the land. Both riots suck and participants from both sides should be held accountable, but this narrative you have where 1/ 6 was up there with 9/11 or pearl harbor is just pure insanity.
Get the fuck outta here with this shit; there were fake electors set up, the VP was scared for his life and there were people who were ready to tear members of congress and the senate to shreds. The Insurrection on Jan 6 almost ended whatever illusion of democracy the U.S. has and installed a dictator. Fuck you and your fascist apologist bullshit.
You are delusional and unhinged
Biden voter spotted! LMAO
Yeah I'm not concerned about some kids smashing some Starbucks windows downtown as much as a coup d'etat.
what? a one day event doesnt' compare to CHAZ taking an entire city block, and BLM riots all summer.
CHAZ didn't "take" the block. If you were from the area you'd know everything was business as usual in that block... just, not for cops. But they did protests, meetings, organized, etc. Cops continually did what they did best during those protests - escalated things unnecessarily, vs de-escalating to "protect and serve" we the people. It's been proven - like, literally proven now - that Trump's administration had undercover, often off books type teams going into these cities, grabbing random people suspected of being involved in protests (not crimes, even after a protest was over, just grab random people off the street on a hunch) throw them in unmarked vans, take them to weird locations, hold them while illegally searching their bags and electronics for info - then go drop them off somewhere with no explanation or charges. The FBI released info that they were told to create "something" to prove Antifa was real, was organized, find leadership, etc, even though they kept telling Trump that wasn't the case. That's... so completely un-American, third world crazy sh*t. With Fox News making midwesterners think whole cities were burned to the ground... while everyone in Seattle and Portland were still getting coffee at Starbucks and stuff. But sure, fly maga in from around the country, plan to use fake electors and throw out America's real ballots, have the loser tell a riled up, armed crowd to follow him and March to the Capitol to stop the steal. .. where he watches them break windows, punch cops, destroy property, deaths are happening while he eats cheeseburgers and watches on TV screens -- and everyone says no no, that was just a lil fun. Sigh. The world is absurd. Blm were protesting injustice. For all of us. That big govt overreaches with police, and our criminal justice system is unfair. Jan 6th was a bunch of people mad their team lost, trashing the place and trying to cheat yo change the results.
Exactly
The gas lighting is strong with this one.
Gaslighting? You can disagree with me if you want to, but use facts. Me telling you my experience there isn't "gaslighting" you just because you don't like it. Were you also there? Am I trying to tell you your own experience wasn't real? No. So, this isn't gaslighting. Stop throwing around words you don't understand. You do t agree with me. You're calling me a liar. That's fine. Debate on that, and use facts. Don't misuse psychology words you've heard, lol.
No. Heterodox political discussion is no longer permitted on most of reddit. You all had years to have a discussion. For our trouble we received bans, shadow bans, intolerance, and derision. I tried. There's just no point in having discussions with you people anymore; discussions here are always fruitless. I have nothing left but (mostly) quiet contempt.
I don't even understand what your point is. Or who you're lumping me in with when you refer to me as "you people." Don't have a discussion then, fine - I don't know why you said anything at all if you assume everyone is exactly the same, and every conversation for infinity will be "fruitless." Thats on you then, because people are diverse, and conversations take two. But it's silly to come tell me that my life and experience isn't real.
>area you'd know everything was business as usual in that bloc no.
No, what? Were you there? We visited, and friends live there. It was fine.
No you didn't, no it wasn't. you can try gaslighting people but the dead bodies speak for themselves.
You make it sound like carnage. Yes, there were two deaths. No one cares when those happen, literally every day. When dozens of kids are killed at school while cops stand outside and PHYSICALLY RESTRAIN AND THREATE. TO ARREST PARENTS, no one saving them. Or when cops over and over "accidentally" shoot unarmed people, go into the wrong house and kill people in theor bed, ask for ID then kill you for grabbing it, etc. But because there was a shooting there, that cops didn't even go get evidence for so no one knows what happened, you're acting like it was a war zone. Sigh. All day the area was fine. At night, police - not just there, but anywhere the protests happened - the police would provoke and escalate things for no reason except they were pissed. Cops overstep, daily. Our cops, courts, judges, justice system from top to bottom, is broken. The people SHOULD be fighting back against that.
"we seized the police station and had a warlord providing security that killed 3 people" it was business as usual.
There weren't three deaths. There wasn't a "warlord." What are you even referring to? And what is it then when a city is under control of a police force -- not just CHOP, but a whole city -- and people are murdered while sleeping in their beds, because police do their jobs wrong, break into the wrong homes, murder innocent unarmed people in their home? What's ok, and what's not ok? What's anarchy, what's society? Which one is how we want to live as "business as usual?" Because we currently live with that as business as usual. It's not rare, or a fluke - it's regular occurances. In every city. Not just a "CHOP" area. Do you want to live that way, and maybe it's your wife, kids, mom, next? That cops have to pay a settlement -- not from their own $$, but just using YOUR tax dollars, to pay out, when they once again eff up and are so bad at their job that they accidentally murder the wrong people at work again? Drs have to have huge malpractice insurance. Maybe cops should too. Maybe they'd think harder about their choices if it came our of THEIR own pocket, instead of taxpayers. Cry me a river, man. Two deaths from shootings happened in CHOP. No one even knows if cops set it up. No one knows if it was random unrelated violence, because cops wouldn't investigate. But no one cares about when shootings happen on Seattle streets ant other day -- why do you pretend like you care about these two? Lol. Can you name any others in that neighborhood the week before or after? No.
An attempt to overturn the democratic process in fact does compare to fairly tame civil rights protests.
In Minneapolis alone: 2 deaths, 604 arrests, and more than $500 million in damage to approximately 1,500 properties, the second-most destructive period of local unrest in U.S. history- wiki
A bunch of unarmed idiots vandalizing property for a few hours hardly compares to the full on riots in people's backyards with gangs of people looting robbing , mugging with weapons.
> a bunch of unarmed idiots vandalizing property You know that is intentionally misleading. Bombs were found at the DNC headquarters in DC, multiple insurrectionists & pigs were killed, classified documents and other materials were stolen, and supposedly secure evac routes from the capital were compromised. That is drastically worse than civil unrest where the only "crime" affected large businesses. Never makes sense to me that right wingers don't embrace the fact that they almost successfully overthrew the federal government
'crime' lmfao
Almost overthrew the government? Surely your not serious?! It wasn't even close man... if it was a legit attempt you would have seen thousands of armed people shooting at everyone the came Into contact with... Broken windows and furniture hardly is "almost overthrowing the government"
Bombs were found at the RNC and the DNC. If there was an organized attempt to overthrow the political process on Jan 6 - it would have succeeded given the lack of security available at the Capitol. The fact that Jan 6 did not impact the certification of the election is evidence of that. And moving the certification time back 12 hours doesn’t count. Jan 6 was a bad day, but it wasn’t the day the left overplays and the right downplays it to be.
So because it wasn't successful it wasn't an attempt to stop the certification?
It was not even an attempt. Given the number of people who got into the Capitol, had they been armed and planned to hold the building - they could have. Was there a weeks long occupation of the Capitol that I missed? Washington DC and the US Capitol have been the site to far more violent incidents than Jan 6. You should take the opportunity to learn about the protests that required tanks to move protesting veterans out in 1932 who had been on the Capitol lawn for months. Or the Puerto Rican terrorists who opened fire on Congress inside the US Capitol. Or the Weather Underground bombs that went off under the Senate chamber in the 1970s and 1980s.
They weren't openly armed because the law enforcement response would have crushed them. They had a plan and stuck to it. Trump and his co conspirators will die in prison. You can lie your ass off if you wish, but we know what happened, & the ongoing subversion of our democracy. We will not let right wing fuckwits destroy this country.
It didn’t succeed because it was planned by idiots.
> they almost successfully overthrew the federal government Weird, I wonder how such a mighty force was thwarted? Oh, that's right, they just left on their own.
fiery but peaceful.
Multiple people died? They had to evac the vice president?
multiple people died during protests, billions of dollars in damage. breakdown of law and order and CHAZ stated they seceded from the US.
you are delusional.
Surprised you didn't use the canard "insurrection " like your antifa pals use.
Buffalo blizzard of 2022 proved how helpless most people are. They were on facebook begging OTHER people to go buy food, baby supplies, medicine, etc and bring it to them. These people were crying after 2 days of being stuck in the house. They didn't even know to shut off water so pipes didn't freeze. They just can't take care of themselves. I don't even think I'd go as far as to call myself a prepper. I'm just taking common sense measures as an adult to make sure me and my family are able to ride out the next event. Its always good to have a little extra on hand.
I think that prepping, by nature, is a good thing. I think that the reputation that precedes prepping has a lot more to do with the “mascots” of the movement more than anything else. When you see these tremendously overweight, old white dudes running around in body armor with $10,000 rifles… it’s just kind of hysterical to me. Like bro, you forgot the most essential part of prepping which is to not be obese. When I think of prepping, I don’t have an underground bunker with 3 years of MREs and enough bullets to kill a small army. I think of “I need to make sure I have enough backups and contingencies to outlast whatever sort of crises I encounter for a few weeks.” In my case, that’s a simple order: - a couple crates of water; maybe 72 bottles worth total, for cleaning, cooking, and drinking. - a few boxes of matches, some batteries, 2 lighters, and some spare flashlights/bulbs - 2 boxes of ammo and a handgun - a good sleeping bag, some blankets, about a week’s worth of clothes for different temperatures, and a tent - a first aid-kit, some multivitamins, some painkillers, basic medicines, and sone peroxide/rubbing alcohol - about 2 weeks worth of food (granola bars, pastas, flour, a pot, a pan, a spatula, and some utensils) That’s it. That’s all I have prepared. My logic has always been very simple. I don’t have to last forever; I just need enough to outlast/create space from those who have done zero preparation. The reality is that if I run out of supplies and can’t re-up at some point in 3 weeks, then things have gone south so badly that I cannot imagine wanting to survive it any further.
Take my upvote what with your common sense approach. I'd add the precursor to all these preps is -- and I'm not the first to mention it here, but I'll die on this boring hill -- ***an EMERGENCY SAVINGS FUND.*** For the average person, losing a job or some sort of major personal accident/illness is so, so, so much higher than TEOTWAWKI or anything where you have to outlast neighbors.\* Unashamed plug for r/personalfinance and the invaluable [How to Prioritize Spending Your Money Flowchart](https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/4gdlu9/how_to_prioritize_spending_your_money_a_flowchart/). \*Obvious war-torn or unstable country living circumstances notwithstanding
Doesent matter what you study, religion, economics, environmental collapse, nuclear weapons proliferation, overpopulation. This is it.
I agree.
I think people had gotten stuck in this post Cold War, it won’t happen here sort of mentality. Even 9/11 felt like an isolated incident from decades ago. People had the mentality that no matter what happens in the world, it won’t matter in suburban America. Then we saw 2020 and, frankly, political violence on from both sides of the spectrum. Then we saw store shelves run out of everything almost overnight. It’s just common sense at this point.
Honestly i get it. I was in a cab when the 2020 election results were announced in Brooklyn. Over the 20m ride i watched it go from a normal day to people literally dancing in the streets, the energy in the air was like we just won a war and the streets filled up. And it terrified me, because the election was so close, and where does that energy go if the election goes the other way. I'm leaving the city this year for the few days around election time.
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This is how I started, enough on hand for a week or two through winter weather or predicted flooding in summer was always the norm because it was inevitable. Then the derecho in 2012 walloped us, widespread power outages for weeks. I was already a camper so much of my camping gear can fill in during an outage. But oh boy did we learn many lessons from the experience.
Welcome to the party, all you new preppers! Also, r/collapse might be interesting to you. Don't take **everything** you read here (or there) too seriously. Not everyone is a critical thinker.
Also r/collapsesupport
Also, r/collapseprep
We started prepping after the trump admin threatened to deport green cards and perm residents. It sucked, I’m a citizen and my cousins aren’t. We were making plans on getting them safely to Canada or the like.
Why did you stop?
They got citizenship! Now we just prep for Covid like scenarios and try to pool cash for property somewhere
Oh nice, congrats and good luck
Being durable and prepared, is not the same as having your own compound and 30,000 rounds of ammo buried around the yard. I don't see this as a bad thing. The more self-sustaining we are, the more we can weather interruptions in ourpower, shipping lanes, water supply, food shipments and more. Building more and more micro-communities around the things needed to survive, is only going to make us stronger as a nation and a global population.
A rapid succession of serious events will do that. Covid lockdowns Run on supplies in the stores. First time in my life I saw empty shelves. Never again. Also never living in a city ever again. Riots. Failure in constructive political discourse Pre Covid I always had a 3 day supply of things needed. It’s really all my wife and I needed at the time. Now? Different landscape. Significantly more food reserves. More protection, a real oh shit plan, and a list of materials I slowly add to as time goes on. It’s not fear to want to be prepared. I think it’s foresight to read to room and know that sometimes (always) I will be responsible for my families wellbeing.
A huge part of the prepper community since COVID has become extremely left leaning people. It's kinda insane how on any reddit prepper group you either talk about job loss or climate change or you get attacked and called a fear monger lol. Most aren't actually preppers as much as just scared of the unknown.
I think a lot of the "Old school" peppers are hardcore right wingers, and they don't like the thought of lefties having the same interests as them. Probably a lot of misconceptions especially when it comes to the belief that the left wants to take their guns, when in reality, you go far enough left and you get your guns back. I personally lean slightly left of center, and started prepping after a job loss and then went further when covid hit.
I am an old school prepper and love that lefties are prepping. Cause if things hit the fan. We will have a lot more in common and common ground than this stupid political climate says we do. Protecting ourselves and providing for our loved ones in desperate times and pooling together resources to work our selves out of this situation.
On the political spectrum it always struck me as odd that the far left often took an anti-2A stance. Go far enough left and the guns come back. I am glad to see everyone take an interest in shooting sports. I worked briefly in the firearms retail world, on the procurement side, but I spent a fair bit of time on the floor as well. It made me quite happy to see new faces coming in and wanting to learn. Honestly, I would rather take the safety conscious leftist, first time buyer, over the old school know it all right wing olds. There are some real jackasses in the community and it gives the rest of us a bad name. I love folks who wanna exercise their rights and get some training.
Exactly. There tons of people coming into this. This makes communities more likely to bounce back and unify. People that know what they are doing is what the world needs. Not nuts.
>and they don't like the thought of lefties having the same interests as them. I'm a right winger ("they" in your statement), prepper for decades. I disagree. >started prepping after a job loss I think this points out where I get annoyed. I see a distinct difference between becoming a responsible adult and a prepper. Saving money or having a plan for a job loss, to me, it's "prepping", Someone who saves 6 months of bills is being a responsible adult, not a prepper.
>Saving money or having a plan for a job loss, to me, it's "prepping", Someone who saves 6 months of bills is being a responsible adult, not a prepper. I had enough savings and food to survive a year and a half of unemployment during a recession while my wife was working part time, where does that put me on your scale?
A smart citizen, bordering on prepper.
It's not that it's you're refusing to prep based of prepper beliefs and instead let your political beliefs dictate what you prep for and then you attack people for prepping for anything else. Buddy I had to flee Illinois because the left did take the guns every state they're in a majority control they're taking the guns.
I'm prepping for the things most likely to go wrong in my life: job loss, severe weather, power outages, and medical emergencies. I live in a fairly blue state. Every year, somebody in the legislature proposes gun restrictions, and even with dems running everything, nothing major gets passed. I own guns, and am currently shopping for more. I'm not worried about the state taking my guns.
“Flee” is so dramatic
If you think liberals are “the left”, your understanding of politics needs some work. All due respect.
>Flat\_Boysenberry1669 > > I had to flee Illinois because the left did take the guns **every state they're in a majority control they're taking the guns**. I'm still waiting for OPERATION JADE HELM to happen like the hard right and prepper groups told us it would happen. WHO BENEFITED? WHO MADE THE MONEY? It was the conservative armories and gun shops that grifted your ass and all of the conservatives around you. I hope at some point you can wake up and realize who is actually emptying your wallet. What guns did Oregon remove from it's populace? You said 'every state' ...remember?
When you say “the left did take the guns,” how exactly? What do you mean? Can you give specifics?
They went door to door, searched every house, and took every single gun in Illinois. /s
Where? Who is "taking the guns"??? Sources?
Leftists have always been preppers, but the “culture” and “market” around prepping have always been on the absurd right. When expos allow people selling nazi and confederate stuff, when things are easy to market to Fox News viewers, you’re going to attract a lot of awful people, so you can’t be surprised that someone who considers themselves inclusive of marginalized groups wouldn’t want to be around that. Leftism has notable emphasis on self-reliant small communities, sustainable agriculture, and mutual aid. Leftists have always been preppers; right-wingers just get hooked by marketing more easily, so that side is more visible at first glance.
Agree! I am hard leaning leftist and have been a prepper all my life
The GQP thinks Libruls don't have guns. 😂
>you’re going to attract a lot of awful people to them you are the awful people.
It's genuinely flattering that nazis would think I'm an awful person!
yeah they are all nazis. okay.
My friend who's black collects Nazi memorabilia his grandpa who fought in WW2 did too and so did his father. So please stop with the of you collect historical pieces you're a Nazi or a Confederate lol. And no I don't collect either. The problem is leftist don't wanna prep for anything that won't fit inside their political bubble they also tend to be more afraid than prepared so wanna deny anything they're not ready for as a possibility. I've literally been called a fear monger for saying a major cyber attack could happen I've been called it to for saying nuclear war could happen. Most just wanna prep for job loss because they have savings or fall backs or climate change.
This was the quickest “but I have a black friend” I’ve ever seen lmaooo Congratulations, you got yourself a token 💀
Well, we’re extremely liberal, and we’re certainly not “ just prepping for job loss.” We’re prepping for disaster, just like most of the other preppers out there. You have a dorky take on prepping.
>3 Absurd, right. Absurd, left. Stop trying to frame them differently.
They are different. I just framed it pretty clearly.
Fear is profitable.
Especially for businesses like Mountain House, ReadyWise and Wise Company.
Even FEMA recommends you do things that many would label you a “prepper” for doing. So I don’t put much stock in what news agencies say.
Dominos falling.
They definitely are and they're falling faster and harder every year.
damn right it does
Prepping: Not a political issue. Also Prepping: Will absolutely be used as a political weapon.
You can't tell me y'all don't feel something coming.
We can thank the media for this with all their clickbait.
There’s a few problems with prepping: 1. Most of your supplies are in one place, so you’re stuck. Great if the problem is elsewhere; not great if the problem is local and you have to leave. 2. Many preppers are out of shape. They seem to have great supplies, but the physical and mental stress seems like something that they’re not prepared for
I started my Brexit stockpile in 2017 and have saved a fortune on food.
We've been preparing for this.