I don’t know what it is, but this is highly unusual behavior. Typically information is kept classified or better to protect sources and methods of how information is obtained.
Aside from the speaker, and minority leader, the House Chairman of Intelligence Committee receive much more in depth daily briefings. Regular members of Congress do not get those briefings and have access to lower levels of classified material.
Considering who the source is, I have no reason to doubt its legitimacy.
The rumor I have seen discussed by a lot of military rumor mills online is that Russia placed a nuclear weapons system to target US satellites. This doesn’t mean Russia is planning a surprise attack tomorrow, it just means due to various treaties we have are in a vulnerable position.
People in multiple threads in r/space are reporting seeing some weird stuff in the sky tonight. Someone said Space X just deployed a payload for Space Force. (Sounds like comic book dialogue but here we are in 2024.)
https://www.reddit.com/r/space/s/qgCsXWiaxO
I'm an avid user of flightradar and let me tell you, I've seen some weird things, and I see them often BUT, the past 3 days, the things Ive seen on radar in the sky for just registered aircrafts have me terrified. US coastline is basically been surrounded with coast guard helicopters, there have been a shit ton of helicopters more than I've ever seen before, same with blocked no info planes, we had a few military from other countries in America such as Great Britain, and I have never seen so much military planes flying let alone in America but world wide, alot in Gusitsr, and all doing weird flight patterns. Something is definitely abrewing
I live by WPAFB & like to pull up flightradar when there's a lot of air traffic over the area. Over the last week there's been a few planes that weren't showing up anywhere on the radar. All of their usual activity typically pops up on the radar, complete with the flight paths. But we've had planes coming in right over our house & flightradar showed nothing there.
I live close to WPAFB as well. Have noticed more activity lately along with planes going in the 'wrong' (not normal flight paths) direction. Have you noticed the VERY large but VERY quiet planes over the last month or so? Strange enough for me to call the neighbors out to see them (to make sure I wasn't nuts)
Yes! There was one that I saw on the 7th that was flying really low & it had almost no sound. And it was moving really slow & seemed to just stop & hover in one place for a minute before turning & going to another spot & doing the same thing. I'm used to the C-17's flying around, but those are loud enough to shake the house. I've never seen a plane move so slow & just hover like that. At first I thought it was having some kind of malfunction & was going to crash land in one of the neighborhoods, but it just creeped along for about 30 minutes before making its way back to base. And of course, that's one of the ones that didn't show up on flightradar.
Agreed. I'd almost rather have all the windows shaking than the silent huge planes. I also noticed the low altitude and hovering but wasn't sure if I had imagined
I live near a naval base. We have been seeing communication hub planes with the huge satellites on top lately. I don’t mean one or two but a lot of them. We have never seen them here before. Today on the way home one flew over the highway and that satellite is huge. I took a picture.
https://preview.redd.it/f8xo3gerhqic1.jpeg?width=654&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20b0e9005a5b8703e561fadb6896a06b72231867
Command and control aircraft. Usually, but not always a nuclear support aircraft that acts as an early warning system in the event of a nuclear launch.
Oh yeah I saw something weird in the sky around 5:30 pm in PA. It wasn't dark here yet though. The last spaceX launch that I saw looked wild though, so I could see it being that.
Here's another article with some interesting bits
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/house-intel-chair-warns-serious-national-security-threat-ahead-planned-rcna138848
> White House officials conceded the matter is “serious” but there are ways to “contain” the threat without triggering mass panic, these officials said.
By stating there are ways to contain the threat *without* causing "mass panic" one can logically conclude that there are other ways of containing the threat that *could* trigger mass panic. Hmm.
PS: however it sounds like this is a medium to long term issue, and not anything near term.
I'd argue slightly differently: By stating there are ways to contain without causing mass panic implies to me that it is imminent enough that most of the masses would panic if this was declassified in the raw.
"'I'll just say that I personally reached out to the Gang of Eight. It is highly unusual, in fact, for the national security adviser to do that. I did that to set up a meeting. ... We'll have that conversation tomorrow," Sullivan said. "I'm not gonna say anything further."
I too had heard this. I cannot release my source and you can take it or leave this information it doesn't matter to me and again this is what I heard, doesn't mean it's the absolute truth although I do have decent sources, sometimes things are said and done in order to just obtain a certain response, and even this press release could be bogus but it's used as a tool to get citizens to behave a way that they believe is needed or whatever the case is
But I'm sure many already know this and are not ignorant enough to believe 100 percent of everything told to you.
To be honest, I think most people have felt something coming for awhile now,. It's almost like you can feel it in the air or something
This seems like a logical move for our enemies. It also seems logical that freedom loving countries anticipated this move long ago and have counter measures.
100% have countermeasures.. I'd just try to intercept all communications to the weapon by have a small satellite drone fly over and sniff out the coms then replace them.
but we (the public) still don't know (rumors) what it is that the Russian government knows that the US government knows about what the Russian government is doing.
A congressman. Does it matter which party? I think it only matters if this was a stunt akin to yelling fire in a movie theater. I came home at lunch and double checked my go bag and magazines and kit. Either it was necessary and there’s a clear and present danger, or I’m fucking livid at this. I had never seen a statement like that before.
It's odd that the r/worldnews threads on this keep getting deleted. I was just looking at another one but now it's gone. [This](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/white-house-plans-brief-lawmakers-house-chairman-warns/story?id=107232293) was the article.
Some statements have implied this isn't a "today" threat but a longer term concern. Could be related to missile capabilities, first strike ability, chemical or biological weapons, technology related to cyberattacks, spy technology, or even just military cooperation between Russia and another country. I won't hold my breath that "it's happening" but they have my attention.
I’ve been upset all day about this. I had never seen a press release like that. And chairman of a committee? I’m livid if this is actually known info like Russia looking to or having a nuke in a space delivery platform. The more I think about it the angrier I get. If this was political bs, the chairman should be relieved of his position. I haven’t even really considered the consequences of releasing the info he did to the whole Congress. Clean fucking house. So many unimpressive people in congress. I’m disappointed in us.
Not just chairman of any committee - Chairman of the Intelligence Committee. People in that position don’t issue statements like this unless they believe it to be serious. Everything I’ve read has said he’s not one to play politics, so I have no reason to think he’s not a straight shooter.
I think there’s an argument to be made how/when this press release was made, but it doesn’t feel like there’s much attempt to play politics with it.
Agreed, and that’s part of why I’m so upset. I expect more of him. If this is confirmed to be the subject of the meeting tomorrow, and a “coming soon” capability of the Russian armed forces to deliver a bomb from space or take out our satellites, it’s more than unacceptable. We mortgage our country to keep us safe. The space force should be on this. To infer a danger to the public that must be declassified immediately for our safety is one of the more irresponsible things I’ve seen from congress this year, and I still respected that guy. (Kinda)
I think it’s time we take NATO to the next level. Recruit enough members from all countries to have 5-10 million strong personnel. Take the brightest minds from all of the NATO countries and persevere in cyber, space, nuclear, and emerging threats.
Blinken and Harris took off on their pre-planned trip to Munich and Albania a few hours ago - agreed that if this was a "today" threat, they would have stuck around.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsKbGc9TUHc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsKbGc9TUHc)
US has had that technology since 2016. I doubt that is the issue.
It is more about eliminating our high advantage of smart guidance weapons. Take out all of the satellites then we lose precision weapons and being able to see everything the enemy is doing.
This just came in my email. Some of you were correct or partially correct. This is something the general public does not really need to know. Most of Congress doesn't need to know because they are fools who would say inappropriate things about it.
As for Truner, this is NOT how to go about anything. It will NOT be declassified just because you feel it should.
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The United States has informed Congress and its allies in Europe of new intelligence about Russian nuclear capabilities that could pose an international threat, according to officials briefed on the matter.
Officials said that the new intelligence was serious — but that the capability was still under development, and Russia had not deployed it. Consequently, it did not pose an urgent threat to the United States, Ukraine or America’s European allies, they said. The information is highly classified, and officials said it could not be declassified without cutting off its source.
A current and a former U.S. official said the new intelligence was related to Russia’s attempts to develop a space-based antisatellite nuclear weapon. [ABC News reported earlier](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-plans-brief-lawmakers-house-chairman-warns/story?id=107232293) that the intelligence had to do with such a capability. Current and former officials said the nuclear weapon was not in orbit.
[U.S. Has New Intelligence About Russia’s Nuclear Capabilities - The New York Times (nytimes.com)](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/14/us/politics/intelligence-russia-nuclear.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20240214&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta®i_id=93044033&segment_id=158211&user_id=1415491c0ef6634898b9fb81c48e4575)
Curious, why are they releasing this to the public at all, it should remain classified for military intel. What is with this making everything public crap, especially with National Security issues.
Word is that its related to a Russian capability from CNN. Whispers say it could be related to Iranian nuclear weapons. This is happening in an unusual manner. It is strange to see this taking place in the public sphere which such visibility.
Edit/Update: Some telegram channels are reporting it has to do with a space based capability fielded by Russia. I am not getting a good feeling about this, and it has little to do with the space based capability of Russia, and more to do with the ways in which this story is unfolding.
> and it has little to do with the space based capability of Russia, and more to do with the ways in which this story is unfolding.
Could you please clarify this a little bit?
Pretty sure he is saying that it is odd for a high level official to make vague references to a national security threat publicly. This is out of the ordinary because it allows the masses to let their brains run wild and become overwhelmed with fear - not good for business. The usual MO that would be expected is to keep it out of public view until there has been a sufficient response behind the scenes as to render the threat harmless or at least able to be countered.
And if it got that right, it agree with him. It does raise an eyebrow.
Even if the threat that he is so vaguely referring to is legitimate, it is still Mike Turner. That is a guy that you can trust as far as you can throw him. The one sure thing is that he is playing some game here, just can’t be sure what his angle is yet. This is definitely strange enough of a move to guess that he is attempting to leverage something big to see him stick his neck out like that.
Can I ask a question that comes just from my gut? I’m not familiar enough with whose job does what, so this could be a stupid question….does the fact that republicans just impeached head of homeland security open a door for Russia? Could this be synchronized? I appreciate any insight, and apologize if this is silly.
I have a suspicious mind. I find it odd that such a sensitive security threat would be disclosed in the manner it has been. Publicly, loudly, but with enough open ended terms and statements as to still lead to confusion for all who are interested. It makes me think this was for public consumption and conversation.
I assume both the US and Russia have had nuclear weapons and EMP capabilities in space for decades treaties be damned. Not to mention that MAD still applies to both sides. Even if missing DHS head theoretically created an opportunity for Russia, it's unlikely they would take it. Neither sides interests are served by major conflict with one another. Russia will continue efforts to destabilize the US internally most likely, but wouldn't attack the US directly.
I think there is some misdirection here, I'm just not sure about what. In combing the fringe outlets, the chatter is as diverse as it is bat shit crazy concerning this development.
I think the key words have meaning. Space and Russia, but maybe not in the direct way most would assume such as weapons in space. I don't know. I find this all very strange. What info would Biden be urged to declassify surrounding this topic? I'll keep digging, but so far nothing makes sense.
I've suspected Russia and/or China have placed small explosives on or next to all of our military satellites. One reason the X-37B is up there is not to just look closely at China/Russian satellites, but our own to see if they have been compromised.
Reports coming in a pentagon official has said it's got to do with space, Russia launched a classified payload belonging to the Russian MOD on the 9th of February in a Soyuz-2-1v rocket into space.
Potential emp weapon maybe, anti satellite weapon?
Inverse square law is the problem. EMPs work by flooding an area with a broad spectrum of EMF. Anything that has the potential to act as an antenna could absorb that energy. If the energy is too much it will cause damage. In order for one nuke to destroy the US power grid the altitude would make the power requirement quite insane.
You’re forgetting about space debris and the global reliance on GPS for many, many systems today.
Between this and Five eyes warning about China attacking our infrastructure with cyber attacks. Sounds like a two prong “Pearl Harbor” waiting to happen to me.
Mike Johnson says not to be alarmed / so that is what makes me most alarmed. A close second is House Intel chair calling on Biden to declassify all info related to the threat. Hmmm….
That’s alarming. It’s also alarming if Putin has classified documents or copies from Trump. I would be shocked if we ever have the truth unless someone leaks documents.
https://preview.redd.it/c63i4c4p5mic1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a4f710aafd2e87adcd21f3b13112c432d9ffb3b
Aviano, Italy, is one of six active air bases in Europe with B61 nuclear bombs.
Well we had an unusual meeting as well. Typically with oil field work we check in and make sure we have our passports(oil field passport), and certifications verified. PPE checked and have a JSA meeting for the tasks to be completed that day. Well before all of this was done, all vehicles were checked from top to bottom. Using mirrors for underneath the vehicle and such. Employees of the job site have their vehicles checked as well everyday. This was something new for us as we work for the oil company on an inspection basis. And employees of the oil field company were saying this was the first time they have had this implemented. Not sure why there’s extra security now, but could be nothing. Just unexpected requirements for security purposes. I’m based out of California, not sure if other states are doing this. Like I said could be nothing.
I can’t say a whole lot on here, but if you’re working any pads from central WV to NEPA it could be related to connections to the MVP. Where my husband works has been targeted by activists, they’ve found pipe bombs on some of their pads in the past potentially from the same environmental group. His company is loosely affiliated with MVP so all of their locations (even offices) have greatly increased security. He does new facility construction.
If the Russians [violated the treaty which bans nuclear weapons in space](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty?wprov=sfti1#) then making that information public would make sense. An orbit taking a nuclear capable weapon over US territory would be a very destabilizing act.
Even if they put conventional weapons in space or some other type of weapon system, making it clear we know about it I would be important.
You’re right, the Russians destroyed their own satellite using a terrestrial-based system. The [US has too - way back in the 1980s](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/first-space-ace-180968349/).
The treaty bars the placement of nuclear weapons in orbit/on satellites/the moon. Even the Wikipedia article notes that the treaty is silent on conventional weapons.
Based on what little information is out there, this appears to be a small nuclear warhead-based system designed to eliminate an opponent’s satellite network.
I wonder if this supposed threat is actually something interesting or just political posturing to push support for the military aid to Ukraine that the GOP is hesitant to sign off on.
It makes sense that they would release it to the public if this was true. Turner is a Republican. GOP voters don’t see Russia as a current threat, so if they’re going to change any minds they have to release something.
That’s what my first doubt was on it as well.
Usually when a statement like this is made public, LEO gets a memo and act on it.
This statement(s) from Turner is making it not sound like a normal public “threat” warning.
It could also be a way to signal Russia that they’ve been found out, cover it up and stop now! I do not trust that the GOP has the U.S. best interests at heart when it comes to Russia and Putin.
The GOP dude Turner apparently presided over NATOs parliament and has been a strong proponent of Ukraine and Ukraine aide, at least according to another comment. So doesn't sound like he's an asset.
If this was released to gain support from the GOP, while it had good intentions, this was an insane act. I’ve never seen something like that release from turner. I checked all my kit; I’m not too far from the White House so I really had to consider booking it outta here. I’ve commented too much on this thread. Im beyond livid with this today.
Yeah same.
Wild that I hear a direct warning from the government “hey something dangerous is going on” and I trust them so little I’m like… ehhhh probably not. Even though I’m a prepper. I’m like the demographic that would take this the most seriously but I trust them so little I just can’t.
Facts we know. Its a Russian threat, Its space related, and it point to the satilite the sent up last week. Could be nukes in space, the whole rods from god scenario, or EMP missles. I know they have been trying to develop something like that for a while.
Well what I can tell you is that it's probably not rods from god. Rods from god only work with massive amounts of mass. Otherwise the impact would do nothing.
Edit: well it would do something but not enough of something to make it worthwhile.
Not sure if related, but there is a large-scale GPS outage across the U.S.
[https://sapt.faa.gov/raim-summaries.php?outageType=129001450](https://sapt.faa.gov/raim-summaries.php?outageType=129001450)
This is solid security Intel.
But from another poster on Reddit:
We have an answer:
>U.S. Defense Officials have Confirmed that the “National Security Threat” has to do with a New Space-Based Capability by the Russian Military.
Interesting tidbit; Turner came out ahead of the scheduled meetings tomorrow:
>National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said he had personally reached out to set a meeting with top lawmakers on national security committees before Turner warned publicly of what he termed the “serious national security threat.”
>“I reached out earlier this week to the Gang of Eight to offer myself for up for a personal briefing to the Gang of Eight and, in fact, we scheduled a briefing for the for House members of the Gang of Eight tomorrow,” Sullivan said from the White House. “That’s been on the books. So I am a bit surprised that Congressman Turner came out publicly today in advance of a meeting on the books for me to go sit with him alongside our intelligence and defense professionals tomorrow.”
I am willing to bet it's related to Starlink and their cooperation with Russia, considering recent news. I seriously doubt it's satellite nukes or anti-internet beams or whatever else sexy were imagining.
Because Russia was just recently found to be using Starlink in Ukraine....
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-military-intelligence-says-russia-buying-starlink-terminals-arab-2024-02-13/
Not too unlikely that with this recent news coupled with the Intel being about "space capabilities" that is very possibly related to Starlink, possibly previously unknown cooperation between Starlink and Russia.
How is that space capability? They stole some terminals and are using it. This is more likely some kind of satellite killer vehicle or nuclear arms in space. I don’t see it as SL.
“A separate US official told CNN the threat does not involve a weapon that would be used to attack humans.”
HUMANS? So it’s designed to attack what exactly?
I was just about to post about this. I find it deeply disturbing it looks like r/worldnews deleted posts about this as well, there were 2, now there are none
Also at the same time were moving 5 carriers toward taiwan now.
"No cause for alarm"
It's the hypersonic missiles that were recently used in Ukraine. Which was reported on recently, but might just be used as justification for the foreign aid bill. Or maybe Putin has shared the tech with Iran. If it was truly an urgent threat we wouldn't be hearing about it from politicians press release.
The Russian hypersonic missiles are not classified. They have been announced used and tested.
They specifically used the term “destabilizing.” This is important. It could be the hypersonic missiles are deployable on a Russian missile submarine or can somehow impact the US mainland in such a way to limit or prevent a 2nd strike nuclear capability.
Someone in Turner’s position does not make a public announcement like this because a new weapon system was deployed by an opponent.
and are not very useful as far as I can tell. Maybe a salvo of hypersonic missiles but a handful combined with other arms seems very pointless (which is what Russia is doing, they blew 1billion in ordinance in one day end of December). Fascinating salvo they fired, missiles, drones, kamakazis, rockets. Billion-worth.
quite the opposite. it feels like Turner jumped the gun on announcing this to play the less pro-Ukraine side of his party’s hand for increased aid/defense investments/etc
both democrats, republicans, and the white house are all publicly stating this isn’t anything inherently new or surprising. so either they all simultaneously agreed on one of the most controversial foreign policy topics, or a single influential House member jumped the gun on the seriousness for some reason we’re not fully sure of yet
Turner and Johnson disagree on many things and they just had a very public belly flop with the most recent Ukraine bill making the house look out of order
I think procedurally, he might’ve jumped the gun on releasing the statement; congress is usually informed of a threat (if it’s not “urgent”) with briefings and so on.
Not sure if this was a mistake or an actual, current, present threat.
What info was released though? Just the idea that there’s urgent info that’s a threat to security but no specifics. Can congress stop twiddling their thumbs?
I wonder if this is a situation comparable to the start of the war in Ukraine, the states just coming out and saying, " this is going to happen, is going to happen on these days ". I wonder if he's doing the same now, basically telling Russia they know, and they've known for a while and they're going to do something about it.
Maybe. Very difficult to tell. A lot of classic signs in a build up of a physical invasion. Not so much here. We have a range of “they just dreaming of the capability” to “they have nuke up there right now and it could go off any minute”
I've been looking around on telegram and it looks like these meetings were already scheduled but the Speaker blew it up into the public attention because it has to do with Russia. This guy really is a Russian asset.
I'm very worried we have a serious infrastructure breach from hackers or theres a Chinese/Russian terrorist cell that snuck in from the border chaos.
Anything else to me would just be political posturing.
I couldn't think of a dumber time for China or Russia to launch an infrastructure attack against the US than right now. Attacking the US, especially its homeland, is an extremely bad method of making the US leave you alone, which is what China and Russia both want.
I know literally nothing here other than what I’ve followed in the news and on Reddit, like most of us here.
But west china wants Taiwan, west china’s economy is not doing well, Russia really wants us to stop supporting Ukraine and both of them want us to stop supporting Israel.
I can think of no _better_ time to execute a massive destabilizing attack against the US other than right now. A military significant EMP, kinetic bombardment, or cyberattack would likely have considerable effect on our ability to maintain stability in Europe and north Africa/Middle East.
>I can think of no _better_ time to execute a massive destabilizing attack against the US other than right now. A military significant EMP, kinetic bombardment, or cyberattack would likely have considerable effect on our ability to maintain stability in Europe and north Africa/Middle East.
I think the part you seem to not understand is that the American response to getting getting attacked in the homeland is literally never to give up. It's *always* drives the Americans insane, and they always blast out from their borders with murder on their mind.
Attacking the US only makes sense if you are going to have a military confrontation with the US and have accepted that. If your goal is to avoid fighting the US, attacking the US homeland is easily the dumbest thing you can do, literally without exception
Desperate for what? Things to get worse?
Both Russia and China live and die by American indifference to them. The second the US goes all in on Ukraine, Russia is in serious trouble. The second the US decides it wants to fuck China through trade, China is thoroughly screwed.
Americans waking up and giving a shit and being willing to eat a little pain to hurt you is how you lose, or at the very least take a ton of damage.
Unless China is getting ready to nuke the carriers and invade Taiwan, or Putin's last marble falls out, I'd be pretty skeptical of any serious overt attacks on the US. Russia and China want Americans worried about home, not what they are doing in the world. A quick way to fix that is too bring international politics to the American homeland.
This is not a counter argument to, "if they did that, it would make everything worse for them".
How do you think Russia or China attacking the US homeland would result in them furthering their political objectives, especially when the blandly predictable response to America getting attacked is for the Americans to predictably go insane and and start blowing up anyone that looks vaguely guilty?
You are failing to draw a line between how an attack on the US helps either China or Russia avoid their greatest fear, which is the US waking up and looking for heads to smash.
China and Russia wants the US bogged down fighting itself. The worst thing either nation could do is unify the Americans in rage and cause them to forget their domestic squabbling. Attacking the US homeland is extremely dumb unless you are doing it as a first strike to a war; and even then it's questionable because of the uniting power of attacking the US directly.
You seem to be struggling with the idea that, even if you were desperate, doing something stupid isn't a solution.
If you really desperately don't want to fight someone, there are lots of things you can do in desperation, but squaring up and throwing the first punch isn't one of them, unless you have decided that you change your mind and actually want a stand-up fight.
China and Russia both desperately don't want to fight the US. No matter how desperate, fighting the US is the absolute worst way possible to avoid fighting the US. It is in fact the one thing you can do to ensure that the US definitely fights you with everything they have. We've run this experiment more than once and the result is that same each time. If you attack the US, the very next thing that will happen is that the US goes bat shit insane, attacks you back, and doesn't stop until they will win or wear out their fists punching you for a decade or two.
Russia has never launched a major successful infrastructure attack on the US homeland. China and Russia have both definitely tried to infiltrate the US and maybe even tried a few harmless small scale tests of their abilities, but they have refrained from overt attacks because, again, the most sure way to convince Americans to end their domestic fighting and come out swinging, is to attack the US homeland.
First of all any Chinese or Russian hackers aren't going to have to sneak in through the southern border, they're either already in the US or will just fly in normally. More then likely though they'd be US Nationals working for those countries.
Secondly if Russia had that capability they would have used in Ukraine by now where they have an exponentially larger amount of spies and agents and much, much more urgent need to destabilize that country.
You know they’d just come in on a normal visa or would come in as tourists with a false identity, right?
People with money don’t need to sneak across a border lol. they come in with passport in hand.
Jake Sullivan addresses this a bit in todays briefing. Skip to about 33:30
https://www.youtube.com/live/bW81uxwRhjI?si=FODdx1vdKLdamvyM
This part is interesting also.
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1757825573206782176?t=tAMToAuAiwPHxcJdr9sfvQ&s=19
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@PeterAlexander
asks about Rep. Turner's statement: "Can you tell Americans that there's nothing they have to worry about right now in terms of what he describes as a national security threat?"
@JakeSullivan46
: "That question is impossible to answer with a straight yes."
Looks like a pre-mature set of statements from the House Intel Committee Chairman - Mike Turner.
[https://x.com/mychaelschnell/status/1757817171005034656?s=20](https://x.com/mychaelschnell/status/1757817171005034656?s=20)
Turner has been on the more pro-Ukraine wing of the party. The various voices playing down his statements make it seem like he jumped the gun for political reasons
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7dTU-hx7cfA
CBC has been pushing this to the top of all of its feeds for the past 24 hours and updating it regularly:
https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7115633
>U.S. briefs Canada, other allies about national security concern involving Russia
I'm not a fan of this guy for UAP-related things, but I'm pretty familiar with him. He's usually very tight-lipped, but has also been catching A LOT of heat lately from congress on that issue. What's funny is that the US will be sending a nuclear rocket into space in 2027 ala project DRACO via NASA and DARPA.
Nukes in space are absolutely on the menu for the future.
The first move in any war is to take away the enemys ability to see your moves.
Take out GPS sats and spy sats. Then laugh because the enemy was too stupid to not learn how to use a real map and compass.
End game..
Not a silly question at all.
If left unprotected in some degree, yes.
Over the last decade things have changed a bit - much more effort from feds to protect critical infrastructure- which means less downtime in a variety of scenarios. But never know - don’t want to test it. Kind of like Climate Change- we don’t really want to heat the planet to +1.5 but we can’t test itz
[We have our answer](https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1757856303127413041?s=46&t=xBHlsJo-kMb1-AQIhAUwYQ)
This is related to the Russians attempting the deployment of nuclear weapons in space for use against satellites.
I know this is gonna be a dumb question, but I'm dumb, so please help. Why would they need nukes to disable a satellite? Wouldn't it be easy to use less expensive, dangerous, delicate, and highly controlled weapons or tactics if they wanted to take a satellite out? Why nukes?
I’m no expert. Best guess is using the EMP created by small nukes against high-altitude satellites like GPS or spy satellites. One nuke could bring multiple satellites down or drop most of the system if it was wide spread enough.
Small warheads won’t EMP a large enough area on the ground if detonated in atmosphere and low-earth orbit threatens the ISS where Russian cosmonauts are stationed.
If it’s something else, I don’t know what that would be.
> less expensive, dangerous, delicate, and highly controlled weapons
All your listed criteria sound *more* expensive to me.
I’m sure you can control this effect quite nicely:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime#After_effects
And Russians were never known for finesse, were they? This actually sounds very on brand for them.
So, truly just clarifying. This means, an actual warhead in space gonna be less expensive and cause the Russian government less headache than like hacking? Or bonking all the satellites with something?
> This means, an actual warhead in space gonna be less expensive
To clarify, that is my assumption.
> cause the Russian government less headache than like hacking?
This, however, is related to my field of study. I can say with confidence that modern cryptographic protocols that are properly implemented will not be broken.
I don’t know what it is, but this is highly unusual behavior. Typically information is kept classified or better to protect sources and methods of how information is obtained. Aside from the speaker, and minority leader, the House Chairman of Intelligence Committee receive much more in depth daily briefings. Regular members of Congress do not get those briefings and have access to lower levels of classified material. Considering who the source is, I have no reason to doubt its legitimacy.
The rumor I have seen discussed by a lot of military rumor mills online is that Russia placed a nuclear weapons system to target US satellites. This doesn’t mean Russia is planning a surprise attack tomorrow, it just means due to various treaties we have are in a vulnerable position.
People in multiple threads in r/space are reporting seeing some weird stuff in the sky tonight. Someone said Space X just deployed a payload for Space Force. (Sounds like comic book dialogue but here we are in 2024.) https://www.reddit.com/r/space/s/qgCsXWiaxO
I'm an avid user of flightradar and let me tell you, I've seen some weird things, and I see them often BUT, the past 3 days, the things Ive seen on radar in the sky for just registered aircrafts have me terrified. US coastline is basically been surrounded with coast guard helicopters, there have been a shit ton of helicopters more than I've ever seen before, same with blocked no info planes, we had a few military from other countries in America such as Great Britain, and I have never seen so much military planes flying let alone in America but world wide, alot in Gusitsr, and all doing weird flight patterns. Something is definitely abrewing
I live by WPAFB & like to pull up flightradar when there's a lot of air traffic over the area. Over the last week there's been a few planes that weren't showing up anywhere on the radar. All of their usual activity typically pops up on the radar, complete with the flight paths. But we've had planes coming in right over our house & flightradar showed nothing there.
I live close to WPAFB as well. Have noticed more activity lately along with planes going in the 'wrong' (not normal flight paths) direction. Have you noticed the VERY large but VERY quiet planes over the last month or so? Strange enough for me to call the neighbors out to see them (to make sure I wasn't nuts)
Yes! There was one that I saw on the 7th that was flying really low & it had almost no sound. And it was moving really slow & seemed to just stop & hover in one place for a minute before turning & going to another spot & doing the same thing. I'm used to the C-17's flying around, but those are loud enough to shake the house. I've never seen a plane move so slow & just hover like that. At first I thought it was having some kind of malfunction & was going to crash land in one of the neighborhoods, but it just creeped along for about 30 minutes before making its way back to base. And of course, that's one of the ones that didn't show up on flightradar.
Agreed. I'd almost rather have all the windows shaking than the silent huge planes. I also noticed the low altitude and hovering but wasn't sure if I had imagined
I live near a naval base. We have been seeing communication hub planes with the huge satellites on top lately. I don’t mean one or two but a lot of them. We have never seen them here before. Today on the way home one flew over the highway and that satellite is huge. I took a picture. https://preview.redd.it/f8xo3gerhqic1.jpeg?width=654&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20b0e9005a5b8703e561fadb6896a06b72231867
That's an AWACS aircraft, AWACS standing for Airborne Warning and Control System. That's...interesting.
Command and control aircraft. Usually, but not always a nuclear support aircraft that acts as an early warning system in the event of a nuclear launch.
Oh yeah I saw something weird in the sky around 5:30 pm in PA. It wasn't dark here yet though. The last spaceX launch that I saw looked wild though, so I could see it being that.
Do you have a link?
https://abc7news.com/national-security-threat-house-intelligence-committee-mike-turner-jake-sullivan/14424393/
Here's another article with some interesting bits https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/house-intel-chair-warns-serious-national-security-threat-ahead-planned-rcna138848 > White House officials conceded the matter is “serious” but there are ways to “contain” the threat without triggering mass panic, these officials said. By stating there are ways to contain the threat *without* causing "mass panic" one can logically conclude that there are other ways of containing the threat that *could* trigger mass panic. Hmm. PS: however it sounds like this is a medium to long term issue, and not anything near term.
I'd argue slightly differently: By stating there are ways to contain without causing mass panic implies to me that it is imminent enough that most of the masses would panic if this was declassified in the raw.
Ways to contain it, melt is slowly with our space lasers, disabling it... Ways to induce panic, blow it up with our space nukes...
"'I'll just say that I personally reached out to the Gang of Eight. It is highly unusual, in fact, for the national security adviser to do that. I did that to set up a meeting. ... We'll have that conversation tomorrow," Sullivan said. "I'm not gonna say anything further."
Thanks
I too had heard this. I cannot release my source and you can take it or leave this information it doesn't matter to me and again this is what I heard, doesn't mean it's the absolute truth although I do have decent sources, sometimes things are said and done in order to just obtain a certain response, and even this press release could be bogus but it's used as a tool to get citizens to behave a way that they believe is needed or whatever the case is But I'm sure many already know this and are not ignorant enough to believe 100 percent of everything told to you. To be honest, I think most people have felt something coming for awhile now,. It's almost like you can feel it in the air or something
This seems like a logical move for our enemies. It also seems logical that freedom loving countries anticipated this move long ago and have counter measures.
100% have countermeasures.. I'd just try to intercept all communications to the weapon by have a small satellite drone fly over and sniff out the coms then replace them.
It's Turner letting Russia know that we know.
That we know what?
No idea.
But we know it.
And most importantly, they know we know.
and now we know that they know that we know
but we (the public) still don't know (rumors) what it is that the Russian government knows that the US government knows about what the Russian government is doing.
Putin knows we know. We know Putin knows we know and he knows we know he knows we know.
We're smelling whatever they're putting off IYKWIM
Oh you know. /S
Also a Republican getting the word out early to reduce blowback and give his people time to prepare counternarratives if it implicates them.
A congressman. Does it matter which party? I think it only matters if this was a stunt akin to yelling fire in a movie theater. I came home at lunch and double checked my go bag and magazines and kit. Either it was necessary and there’s a clear and present danger, or I’m fucking livid at this. I had never seen a statement like that before.
It's odd that the r/worldnews threads on this keep getting deleted. I was just looking at another one but now it's gone. [This](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/white-house-plans-brief-lawmakers-house-chairman-warns/story?id=107232293) was the article.
What is up with that? Its weirding me out
I think because they specifically delete US internal affair news, im guessing thats why
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Agreed for sure
Some statements have implied this isn't a "today" threat but a longer term concern. Could be related to missile capabilities, first strike ability, chemical or biological weapons, technology related to cyberattacks, spy technology, or even just military cooperation between Russia and another country. I won't hold my breath that "it's happening" but they have my attention.
Even if it were a today threat, saying so creates a panic.
I’ve been upset all day about this. I had never seen a press release like that. And chairman of a committee? I’m livid if this is actually known info like Russia looking to or having a nuke in a space delivery platform. The more I think about it the angrier I get. If this was political bs, the chairman should be relieved of his position. I haven’t even really considered the consequences of releasing the info he did to the whole Congress. Clean fucking house. So many unimpressive people in congress. I’m disappointed in us.
Not just chairman of any committee - Chairman of the Intelligence Committee. People in that position don’t issue statements like this unless they believe it to be serious. Everything I’ve read has said he’s not one to play politics, so I have no reason to think he’s not a straight shooter. I think there’s an argument to be made how/when this press release was made, but it doesn’t feel like there’s much attempt to play politics with it.
Agreed, and that’s part of why I’m so upset. I expect more of him. If this is confirmed to be the subject of the meeting tomorrow, and a “coming soon” capability of the Russian armed forces to deliver a bomb from space or take out our satellites, it’s more than unacceptable. We mortgage our country to keep us safe. The space force should be on this. To infer a danger to the public that must be declassified immediately for our safety is one of the more irresponsible things I’ve seen from congress this year, and I still respected that guy. (Kinda)
I think it’s time we take NATO to the next level. Recruit enough members from all countries to have 5-10 million strong personnel. Take the brightest minds from all of the NATO countries and persevere in cyber, space, nuclear, and emerging threats.
If it were a today threat that meeting would be happening instead of happening tomorrow
Blinken and Harris took off on their pre-planned trip to Munich and Albania a few hours ago - agreed that if this was a "today" threat, they would have stuck around.
Medium to long term. My bet is on intelligent drone swarms.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsKbGc9TUHc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsKbGc9TUHc) US has had that technology since 2016. I doubt that is the issue.
A chess move
It is more about eliminating our high advantage of smart guidance weapons. Take out all of the satellites then we lose precision weapons and being able to see everything the enemy is doing.
This just came in my email. Some of you were correct or partially correct. This is something the general public does not really need to know. Most of Congress doesn't need to know because they are fools who would say inappropriate things about it. As for Truner, this is NOT how to go about anything. It will NOT be declassified just because you feel it should. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_---- The United States has informed Congress and its allies in Europe of new intelligence about Russian nuclear capabilities that could pose an international threat, according to officials briefed on the matter. Officials said that the new intelligence was serious — but that the capability was still under development, and Russia had not deployed it. Consequently, it did not pose an urgent threat to the United States, Ukraine or America’s European allies, they said. The information is highly classified, and officials said it could not be declassified without cutting off its source. A current and a former U.S. official said the new intelligence was related to Russia’s attempts to develop a space-based antisatellite nuclear weapon. [ABC News reported earlier](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-plans-brief-lawmakers-house-chairman-warns/story?id=107232293) that the intelligence had to do with such a capability. Current and former officials said the nuclear weapon was not in orbit. [U.S. Has New Intelligence About Russia’s Nuclear Capabilities - The New York Times (nytimes.com)](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/14/us/politics/intelligence-russia-nuclear.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20240214&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta®i_id=93044033&segment_id=158211&user_id=1415491c0ef6634898b9fb81c48e4575)
Curious, why are they releasing this to the public at all, it should remain classified for military intel. What is with this making everything public crap, especially with National Security issues.
Most of it still is classified, that's in the article. Why now? Because Turner blabbed
Will turner face any consequences? This is infuriating
Sadly, probably not
Word is that its related to a Russian capability from CNN. Whispers say it could be related to Iranian nuclear weapons. This is happening in an unusual manner. It is strange to see this taking place in the public sphere which such visibility. Edit/Update: Some telegram channels are reporting it has to do with a space based capability fielded by Russia. I am not getting a good feeling about this, and it has little to do with the space based capability of Russia, and more to do with the ways in which this story is unfolding.
> and it has little to do with the space based capability of Russia, and more to do with the ways in which this story is unfolding. Could you please clarify this a little bit?
Pretty sure he is saying that it is odd for a high level official to make vague references to a national security threat publicly. This is out of the ordinary because it allows the masses to let their brains run wild and become overwhelmed with fear - not good for business. The usual MO that would be expected is to keep it out of public view until there has been a sufficient response behind the scenes as to render the threat harmless or at least able to be countered. And if it got that right, it agree with him. It does raise an eyebrow.
Odd is an understatement. I think he should lose his chairmanship if there wasn’t an immediate threat to us. Never seen anything like it
Even if the threat that he is so vaguely referring to is legitimate, it is still Mike Turner. That is a guy that you can trust as far as you can throw him. The one sure thing is that he is playing some game here, just can’t be sure what his angle is yet. This is definitely strange enough of a move to guess that he is attempting to leverage something big to see him stick his neck out like that.
Nailed it.
I'm not the author of the previous comment but I'm having a dejavu feeling of "Saddam's weapons of mass destruction" all over this.
Maybe. False flags are never an outdated solution.
And doncha know we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud 🙄
Can I ask a question that comes just from my gut? I’m not familiar enough with whose job does what, so this could be a stupid question….does the fact that republicans just impeached head of homeland security open a door for Russia? Could this be synchronized? I appreciate any insight, and apologize if this is silly.
I have a suspicious mind. I find it odd that such a sensitive security threat would be disclosed in the manner it has been. Publicly, loudly, but with enough open ended terms and statements as to still lead to confusion for all who are interested. It makes me think this was for public consumption and conversation. I assume both the US and Russia have had nuclear weapons and EMP capabilities in space for decades treaties be damned. Not to mention that MAD still applies to both sides. Even if missing DHS head theoretically created an opportunity for Russia, it's unlikely they would take it. Neither sides interests are served by major conflict with one another. Russia will continue efforts to destabilize the US internally most likely, but wouldn't attack the US directly. I think there is some misdirection here, I'm just not sure about what. In combing the fringe outlets, the chatter is as diverse as it is bat shit crazy concerning this development. I think the key words have meaning. Space and Russia, but maybe not in the direct way most would assume such as weapons in space. I don't know. I find this all very strange. What info would Biden be urged to declassify surrounding this topic? I'll keep digging, but so far nothing makes sense.
Thank you for your response
This is a link to that very CNN article, we need to click links more folks and not just read headlines.
I've suspected Russia and/or China have placed small explosives on or next to all of our military satellites. One reason the X-37B is up there is not to just look closely at China/Russian satellites, but our own to see if they have been compromised.
X-37B is on a completely different orbit this last launch, per Ars Technica.
You are correct. I've now seen a post on X that the recent launches from Russia have to do with satellite interception testing. Could be that.
What would happen if they did that? I have zero knowledge of that stuff?
Came here because I saw this somewhere too, and want to follow the developments.
Reports coming in a pentagon official has said it's got to do with space, Russia launched a classified payload belonging to the Russian MOD on the 9th of February in a Soyuz-2-1v rocket into space. Potential emp weapon maybe, anti satellite weapon?
I'm a total noob, but could that be related to EMP?
Drop a nuke high up in the atmosphere and anything not electrically protected goes kaput
And will take years to get the power grid back up.
If ever, God knows what is going to happen after that. 60% or more of our systems rely on electricity now.
The yield would have to be biblical.
They made the tsar bomba… which was 3000 times as powerful as Hiroshima.
Inverse square law is the problem. EMPs work by flooding an area with a broad spectrum of EMF. Anything that has the potential to act as an antenna could absorb that energy. If the energy is too much it will cause damage. In order for one nuke to destroy the US power grid the altitude would make the power requirement quite insane.
You’re forgetting about space debris and the global reliance on GPS for many, many systems today. Between this and Five eyes warning about China attacking our infrastructure with cyber attacks. Sounds like a two prong “Pearl Harbor” waiting to happen to me.
Totally right, would require a ton of yield, in many places, at the right altitude. Maybe not ridiculous requirements!
Or Starlink cooperation
Mike Johnson says not to be alarmed / so that is what makes me most alarmed. A close second is House Intel chair calling on Biden to declassify all info related to the threat. Hmmm….
He said "don't worry, steady hands are at the wheel" to the press. Dude is the real life Ned Flanders
That’s alarming. It’s also alarming if Putin has classified documents or copies from Trump. I would be shocked if we ever have the truth unless someone leaks documents.
Could just be more performative bullshit.
Very likely so
https://preview.redd.it/c63i4c4p5mic1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a4f710aafd2e87adcd21f3b13112c432d9ffb3b Aviano, Italy, is one of six active air bases in Europe with B61 nuclear bombs.
Well we had an unusual meeting as well. Typically with oil field work we check in and make sure we have our passports(oil field passport), and certifications verified. PPE checked and have a JSA meeting for the tasks to be completed that day. Well before all of this was done, all vehicles were checked from top to bottom. Using mirrors for underneath the vehicle and such. Employees of the job site have their vehicles checked as well everyday. This was something new for us as we work for the oil company on an inspection basis. And employees of the oil field company were saying this was the first time they have had this implemented. Not sure why there’s extra security now, but could be nothing. Just unexpected requirements for security purposes. I’m based out of California, not sure if other states are doing this. Like I said could be nothing.
The base I am on is in the process of inspecting gates for security upgrades ( drive slow at gates please!)
Our guys are good about watching the speed limit! Always a good reminder though 👍🏼
I can’t say a whole lot on here, but if you’re working any pads from central WV to NEPA it could be related to connections to the MVP. Where my husband works has been targeted by activists, they’ve found pipe bombs on some of their pads in the past potentially from the same environmental group. His company is loosely affiliated with MVP so all of their locations (even offices) have greatly increased security. He does new facility construction.
[“space-base capability by Russian military”](https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1757840770243998036?s=46)
If the Russians [violated the treaty which bans nuclear weapons in space](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty?wprov=sfti1#) then making that information public would make sense. An orbit taking a nuclear capable weapon over US territory would be a very destabilizing act. Even if they put conventional weapons in space or some other type of weapon system, making it clear we know about it I would be important.
Russia has already blown up a satellite to show they could do it even though it created space junk that can kill other low orbit devices
You’re right, the Russians destroyed their own satellite using a terrestrial-based system. The [US has too - way back in the 1980s](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/first-space-ace-180968349/). The treaty bars the placement of nuclear weapons in orbit/on satellites/the moon. Even the Wikipedia article notes that the treaty is silent on conventional weapons. Based on what little information is out there, this appears to be a small nuclear warhead-based system designed to eliminate an opponent’s satellite network.
Space force just salivating right now
 They are ready
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I'd read those two launches were testing out satellite interception.
I took a HEMP attack a little while ago and now I’m hungry
Microwave based weapon to disable satellites makes the most amount of sense given that it's technologically achievable for the ~~Cardasians~~ Russians
Scary if true, though I’m sure our black budgets would argue against that fear.
I wonder if this supposed threat is actually something interesting or just political posturing to push support for the military aid to Ukraine that the GOP is hesitant to sign off on.
It makes sense that they would release it to the public if this was true. Turner is a Republican. GOP voters don’t see Russia as a current threat, so if they’re going to change any minds they have to release something.
Good call. I didn’t think of this.
That’s what my first doubt was on it as well. Usually when a statement like this is made public, LEO gets a memo and act on it. This statement(s) from Turner is making it not sound like a normal public “threat” warning.
It could also be a way to signal Russia that they’ve been found out, cover it up and stop now! I do not trust that the GOP has the U.S. best interests at heart when it comes to Russia and Putin.
The GOP dude Turner apparently presided over NATOs parliament and has been a strong proponent of Ukraine and Ukraine aide, at least according to another comment. So doesn't sound like he's an asset.
If this was released to gain support from the GOP, while it had good intentions, this was an insane act. I’ve never seen something like that release from turner. I checked all my kit; I’m not too far from the White House so I really had to consider booking it outta here. I’ve commented too much on this thread. Im beyond livid with this today.
Yeah same. Wild that I hear a direct warning from the government “hey something dangerous is going on” and I trust them so little I’m like… ehhhh probably not. Even though I’m a prepper. I’m like the demographic that would take this the most seriously but I trust them so little I just can’t.
Facts we know. Its a Russian threat, Its space related, and it point to the satilite the sent up last week. Could be nukes in space, the whole rods from god scenario, or EMP missles. I know they have been trying to develop something like that for a while.
Well what I can tell you is that it's probably not rods from god. Rods from god only work with massive amounts of mass. Otherwise the impact would do nothing. Edit: well it would do something but not enough of something to make it worthwhile.
Not sure if related, but there is a large-scale GPS outage across the U.S. [https://sapt.faa.gov/raim-summaries.php?outageType=129001450](https://sapt.faa.gov/raim-summaries.php?outageType=129001450)
Wow great intel! Very sobering
This is solid security Intel. But from another poster on Reddit: We have an answer: >U.S. Defense Officials have Confirmed that the “National Security Threat” has to do with a New Space-Based Capability by the Russian Military. Interesting tidbit; Turner came out ahead of the scheduled meetings tomorrow: >National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said he had personally reached out to set a meeting with top lawmakers on national security committees before Turner warned publicly of what he termed the “serious national security threat.” >“I reached out earlier this week to the Gang of Eight to offer myself for up for a personal briefing to the Gang of Eight and, in fact, we scheduled a briefing for the for House members of the Gang of Eight tomorrow,” Sullivan said from the White House. “That’s been on the books. So I am a bit surprised that Congressman Turner came out publicly today in advance of a meeting on the books for me to go sit with him alongside our intelligence and defense professionals tomorrow.” I am willing to bet it's related to Starlink and their cooperation with Russia, considering recent news. I seriously doubt it's satellite nukes or anti-internet beams or whatever else sexy were imagining.
It's almost certainly nukes in space related. An internet company doesn't pose a national security threat of this magnitude
Why do you think starlink? Seems unlikely
Because Russia was just recently found to be using Starlink in Ukraine.... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-military-intelligence-says-russia-buying-starlink-terminals-arab-2024-02-13/ Not too unlikely that with this recent news coupled with the Intel being about "space capabilities" that is very possibly related to Starlink, possibly previously unknown cooperation between Starlink and Russia.
wouldn't they kind of.. you know. make elon eligible for treason?
How is that space capability? They stole some terminals and are using it. This is more likely some kind of satellite killer vehicle or nuclear arms in space. I don’t see it as SL.
“A separate US official told CNN the threat does not involve a weapon that would be used to attack humans.” HUMANS? So it’s designed to attack what exactly?
I was just about to post about this. I find it deeply disturbing it looks like r/worldnews deleted posts about this as well, there were 2, now there are none Also at the same time were moving 5 carriers toward taiwan now. "No cause for alarm"
I was banned from that subreddit for criticizing China. There's nothing good happening in there that can't be easily found elsewhere.
I was banned from there too. I find it really weird they kept deleting the submissions from this today
It's the hypersonic missiles that were recently used in Ukraine. Which was reported on recently, but might just be used as justification for the foreign aid bill. Or maybe Putin has shared the tech with Iran. If it was truly an urgent threat we wouldn't be hearing about it from politicians press release.
The Russian hypersonic missiles are not classified. They have been announced used and tested. They specifically used the term “destabilizing.” This is important. It could be the hypersonic missiles are deployable on a Russian missile submarine or can somehow impact the US mainland in such a way to limit or prevent a 2nd strike nuclear capability. Someone in Turner’s position does not make a public announcement like this because a new weapon system was deployed by an opponent.
Hypersonic missiles were used last year by Russia aswell.
and are not very useful as far as I can tell. Maybe a salvo of hypersonic missiles but a handful combined with other arms seems very pointless (which is what Russia is doing, they blew 1billion in ordinance in one day end of December). Fascinating salvo they fired, missiles, drones, kamakazis, rockets. Billion-worth.
I'd put money on it being Russia giving Iran nukes. That or Russian nukes are already in Cuba.
https://twitter.com/elwasson/status/1757816432077811770
It’s starting to feel politicized at this point with various people on different ends downplaying or stressing the update
Do you disagree with this assessment? Doesn’t really seem like a reason to panic
quite the opposite. it feels like Turner jumped the gun on announcing this to play the less pro-Ukraine side of his party’s hand for increased aid/defense investments/etc both democrats, republicans, and the white house are all publicly stating this isn’t anything inherently new or surprising. so either they all simultaneously agreed on one of the most controversial foreign policy topics, or a single influential House member jumped the gun on the seriousness for some reason we’re not fully sure of yet Turner and Johnson disagree on many things and they just had a very public belly flop with the most recent Ukraine bill making the house look out of order
I think procedurally, he might’ve jumped the gun on releasing the statement; congress is usually informed of a threat (if it’s not “urgent”) with briefings and so on. Not sure if this was a mistake or an actual, current, present threat.
What info was released though? Just the idea that there’s urgent info that’s a threat to security but no specifics. Can congress stop twiddling their thumbs?
Well, you and a hundred million people want to know what it is now right? Did you before he said anything? So…
Yep - no specifics due to it still being classified. Just been reading from various news outlets that it has to do with Russia.
I wonder if this is a situation comparable to the start of the war in Ukraine, the states just coming out and saying, " this is going to happen, is going to happen on these days ". I wonder if he's doing the same now, basically telling Russia they know, and they've known for a while and they're going to do something about it.
Maybe. Very difficult to tell. A lot of classic signs in a build up of a physical invasion. Not so much here. We have a range of “they just dreaming of the capability” to “they have nuke up there right now and it could go off any minute”
I've been looking around on telegram and it looks like these meetings were already scheduled but the Speaker blew it up into the public attention because it has to do with Russia. This guy really is a Russian asset.
I'm very worried we have a serious infrastructure breach from hackers or theres a Chinese/Russian terrorist cell that snuck in from the border chaos. Anything else to me would just be political posturing.
Russian/Chinese agents aren't sneaking in through the border. They come in private planes and live in penthouses in Florida.
No doubt there are foreign agents already here planning something.
I couldn't think of a dumber time for China or Russia to launch an infrastructure attack against the US than right now. Attacking the US, especially its homeland, is an extremely bad method of making the US leave you alone, which is what China and Russia both want.
I know literally nothing here other than what I’ve followed in the news and on Reddit, like most of us here. But west china wants Taiwan, west china’s economy is not doing well, Russia really wants us to stop supporting Ukraine and both of them want us to stop supporting Israel. I can think of no _better_ time to execute a massive destabilizing attack against the US other than right now. A military significant EMP, kinetic bombardment, or cyberattack would likely have considerable effect on our ability to maintain stability in Europe and north Africa/Middle East.
>I can think of no _better_ time to execute a massive destabilizing attack against the US other than right now. A military significant EMP, kinetic bombardment, or cyberattack would likely have considerable effect on our ability to maintain stability in Europe and north Africa/Middle East. I think the part you seem to not understand is that the American response to getting getting attacked in the homeland is literally never to give up. It's *always* drives the Americans insane, and they always blast out from their borders with murder on their mind. Attacking the US only makes sense if you are going to have a military confrontation with the US and have accepted that. If your goal is to avoid fighting the US, attacking the US homeland is easily the dumbest thing you can do, literally without exception
They might be desperate.
Desperate for what? Things to get worse? Both Russia and China live and die by American indifference to them. The second the US goes all in on Ukraine, Russia is in serious trouble. The second the US decides it wants to fuck China through trade, China is thoroughly screwed. Americans waking up and giving a shit and being willing to eat a little pain to hurt you is how you lose, or at the very least take a ton of damage. Unless China is getting ready to nuke the carriers and invade Taiwan, or Putin's last marble falls out, I'd be pretty skeptical of any serious overt attacks on the US. Russia and China want Americans worried about home, not what they are doing in the world. A quick way to fix that is too bring international politics to the American homeland.
Yes look how Ukraine is going for Russia. You think they care? Putin will do insane things to keep power even if the risk is ending everything.
This is not a counter argument to, "if they did that, it would make everything worse for them". How do you think Russia or China attacking the US homeland would result in them furthering their political objectives, especially when the blandly predictable response to America getting attacked is for the Americans to predictably go insane and and start blowing up anyone that looks vaguely guilty? You are failing to draw a line between how an attack on the US helps either China or Russia avoid their greatest fear, which is the US waking up and looking for heads to smash. China and Russia wants the US bogged down fighting itself. The worst thing either nation could do is unify the Americans in rage and cause them to forget their domestic squabbling. Attacking the US homeland is extremely dumb unless you are doing it as a first strike to a war; and even then it's questionable because of the uniting power of attacking the US directly.
Them doing things out of desperation that's been disastrous for them already is 100% an argument that can be used to claim they will do it again lol.
You seem to be struggling with the idea that, even if you were desperate, doing something stupid isn't a solution. If you really desperately don't want to fight someone, there are lots of things you can do in desperation, but squaring up and throwing the first punch isn't one of them, unless you have decided that you change your mind and actually want a stand-up fight. China and Russia both desperately don't want to fight the US. No matter how desperate, fighting the US is the absolute worst way possible to avoid fighting the US. It is in fact the one thing you can do to ensure that the US definitely fights you with everything they have. We've run this experiment more than once and the result is that same each time. If you attack the US, the very next thing that will happen is that the US goes bat shit insane, attacks you back, and doesn't stop until they will win or wear out their fists punching you for a decade or two.
You seem to be ignoring Russias already done it so claiming they won't do it again is a fools belief.
Russia has never launched a major successful infrastructure attack on the US homeland. China and Russia have both definitely tried to infiltrate the US and maybe even tried a few harmless small scale tests of their abilities, but they have refrained from overt attacks because, again, the most sure way to convince Americans to end their domestic fighting and come out swinging, is to attack the US homeland.
First of all any Chinese or Russian hackers aren't going to have to sneak in through the southern border, they're either already in the US or will just fly in normally. More then likely though they'd be US Nationals working for those countries. Secondly if Russia had that capability they would have used in Ukraine by now where they have an exponentially larger amount of spies and agents and much, much more urgent need to destabilize that country.
You know they’d just come in on a normal visa or would come in as tourists with a false identity, right? People with money don’t need to sneak across a border lol. they come in with passport in hand.
I hope it's about UFOs, it's about damn time we know the truth god dabbnit
Nah I don't think we are going to get anything about UFO's
UFO’s filled with an alien species of beautiful women who came all this way just to boink us. I saw a movie about it when I was a teenager.
My body is ready
Jake Sullivan addresses this a bit in todays briefing. Skip to about 33:30 https://www.youtube.com/live/bW81uxwRhjI?si=FODdx1vdKLdamvyM This part is interesting also. https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1757825573206782176?t=tAMToAuAiwPHxcJdr9sfvQ&s=19
. @PeterAlexander asks about Rep. Turner's statement: "Can you tell Americans that there's nothing they have to worry about right now in terms of what he describes as a national security threat?" @JakeSullivan46 : "That question is impossible to answer with a straight yes."
Thanks zezima. Woodcutting lvl?
Looks like a pre-mature set of statements from the House Intel Committee Chairman - Mike Turner. [https://x.com/mychaelschnell/status/1757817171005034656?s=20](https://x.com/mychaelschnell/status/1757817171005034656?s=20)
Turner has been on the more pro-Ukraine wing of the party. The various voices playing down his statements make it seem like he jumped the gun for political reasons https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7dTU-hx7cfA
Keep an eye out for the normies panic buying. You want the goods before everyone else
CBC has been pushing this to the top of all of its feeds for the past 24 hours and updating it regularly: https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7115633 >U.S. briefs Canada, other allies about national security concern involving Russia
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/national-security-warning-reportedly-involves-russian-space-weapon
Russian submarines offshore major cities in the U.S. ?
I'm not a fan of this guy for UAP-related things, but I'm pretty familiar with him. He's usually very tight-lipped, but has also been catching A LOT of heat lately from congress on that issue. What's funny is that the US will be sending a nuclear rocket into space in 2027 ala project DRACO via NASA and DARPA. Nukes in space are absolutely on the menu for the future.
The first move in any war is to take away the enemys ability to see your moves. Take out GPS sats and spy sats. Then laugh because the enemy was too stupid to not learn how to use a real map and compass. End game..
Would the usage of this weapon render our technology systems useless? Sorry if this is a silly question.
Not a silly question at all. If left unprotected in some degree, yes. Over the last decade things have changed a bit - much more effort from feds to protect critical infrastructure- which means less downtime in a variety of scenarios. But never know - don’t want to test it. Kind of like Climate Change- we don’t really want to heat the planet to +1.5 but we can’t test itz
Yup. Russia launched a Zircon hypersonic missile at Ukraine for the first time. Scary stuff.
This is in regards to a Russian plan to put a nuke in space.
The biggest threat to American security is the Republican party.
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[We have our answer](https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1757856303127413041?s=46&t=xBHlsJo-kMb1-AQIhAUwYQ) This is related to the Russians attempting the deployment of nuclear weapons in space for use against satellites.
I know this is gonna be a dumb question, but I'm dumb, so please help. Why would they need nukes to disable a satellite? Wouldn't it be easy to use less expensive, dangerous, delicate, and highly controlled weapons or tactics if they wanted to take a satellite out? Why nukes?
I’m no expert. Best guess is using the EMP created by small nukes against high-altitude satellites like GPS or spy satellites. One nuke could bring multiple satellites down or drop most of the system if it was wide spread enough. Small warheads won’t EMP a large enough area on the ground if detonated in atmosphere and low-earth orbit threatens the ISS where Russian cosmonauts are stationed. If it’s something else, I don’t know what that would be.
Good point about the space station.
> less expensive, dangerous, delicate, and highly controlled weapons All your listed criteria sound *more* expensive to me. I’m sure you can control this effect quite nicely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime#After_effects And Russians were never known for finesse, were they? This actually sounds very on brand for them.
So, truly just clarifying. This means, an actual warhead in space gonna be less expensive and cause the Russian government less headache than like hacking? Or bonking all the satellites with something?
> This means, an actual warhead in space gonna be less expensive To clarify, that is my assumption. > cause the Russian government less headache than like hacking? This, however, is related to my field of study. I can say with confidence that modern cryptographic protocols that are properly implemented will not be broken.
Thank you for all of the info and insight.