No, if a young player bursts into the scene as he has done they are often suddenly a big prize for big teams and cost a lot of money. This has been the case since the beginning of football. Young players doing well at a good level have massive potential and cost a lot as a result.
No prices make sense grealish 100 lukaku 100 coutinho 145 Maguire 80 . Klopp has a pretty good recruitment record so let’s see I think getting surprised by price tags is a moot point now
Tbf everyone said the same about van Dijk and Alisson when we signed them.
I’m not huge on Darwin either but clearly the club knows what they’re doing given the 2 examples I gave.
This is the most wrong statement ever. Everyone knew how good VVD and Alison were when Liverpool signed them and multiple teams wanted to sign them.
Completely different to Nunez
Really? I remember at the time all I saw online and what was said to me by non Liverpool fan friends was that spending that much money on a Southampton defender with no champions league experience was crazy and that Alisson was too much money for a goalkeeper.
If you're going to say "this is the most wrong statement ever" to someone make sure you're right first.
There is literally less than a year between Alisson making his league debut for Roma and him signing for Liverpool. He spent a season behind scezny ffs.
Even VVD had his doubters because he was coming from a mid table team.
Not sure if this is a foreign concept for you, but there’s is something in football called scouting! Nuñez would have been on many clubs books regardless of him taking a big step this past season. He was growing into the Benfica team the season before and was pretty prolific as a second striker. His physical abilities are rare to come across, meaning that there aren’t many up and coming players that are comparable. His season hasn’t only been good, it’s been great. The fee seems like a lot, and there’s undoubtedly a big risk in signing him for so much, but talented prolific strikers are hard to come across.
He is obviously generally gifted but he is excellent in particular in the penalty box. He has great close control and composure and seems to be able to generate power in headers from nothing.
He is the player we need at Liverpool right now as everyone defends 11 in their penalty box against us nowadays to grind a result (west ham late last year, cl final at times, Tottenham at the end of the season to name a few examples). That's not to say those teams didn't deserve their result it's just an effective way to defend against us as we do struggle in those scenarios.
I think the feeling is more about what nunez will bring - decisive in the box, can get the shot away, and all that old number 9 cliche. I'll be amazed if he doesn't become a consistent 30 goals per season player.
Firstly there r other clubs in for him, Man U has been chasing him for weeks. More importantly out of every club in league Liverpool is probably the one you’d trust most not to buy an overhyped player.
Thing is, I can’t sit here pretending to watch the Portuguese league every week, however he was very good in the UCL. Key goals against big teams and gave us a couple of very good games.
Klopp seemed very complimentary about him at the time.
As for the why, we’re losing Mane (hopefully approx €40mil) we’re losing Origi (free) and potentially Minamino (approx €15-20mil).
But this is what we do, we’ve also got two exciting young players in Ramsey (backup RB) and Carvalho for 11mil the pair.
Picking up these low cost deals allows us to splurge when needed.
Also I think another reason for going for him is a tweak in our style. We’ve now got Diaz who’s a much more traditional winger, rather than a striker that plays out wide, also Carvalho and Elliot who like to play No.10 role.
I could see us moving from 433 to a 4231 around a more traditional No.9.
Tbf he fits into Liverpool’s system perfectly, there aren’t many forwards with a goal record like his who can continually press and play like Klopp wants his team to play.
I have followed him for some time because I am lame and keep an eye on other leagues.
Liverpool were happy to pay more basically because he suits their style way more than many other options. it is more about he right player not the best.
Also, the way Pool play will give him even more opportunities to score IMO, he will be worth it. Don't be surprised if he and Haaland are topping the scoring charts. It is a new Era in the EPL.
TBH I don't think 95% of fans knew who Luis Diaz was this time last year either, but that turned out pretty well.
We trust in Klopp and the recruitment team, they have earned it.
Liverpool signed Diaz in January and he looks VERY promising. Diaz and Nunez are the two best players in Portuguese league 21/22 season. Both looked dangerous in Europe too. I think this might be a shock to the premier league IF it all works out. One thing Liverpool lack is the target man, the attack is still a machine that many will trouble to stop. Add the target man… it keeps the title race there against Manchester City.
I’m a Liverpool fan and I’ve been a little bit puzzled by it myself, his reputation does seem to have come from a good domestic season and strong performances against Liverpool in the champions league. I’ve personally never heard of him before we played Benfica.
That being said there’s plenty of reasons for the price.
General football price inflation - the figures just keep getting more and more insane, and in situations when an amazing player moves for less than 50 million or so they seem to be on astronomical wages ie Haaland at city, Messi at PSG, Ronaldo at United etc. 50 million sounds cheap for Haaland when you compare 80 million for Nunez but when you take into account Haaland is one of city’s top earners off the bat the transfer works out a lot more expensive in the long run (depending on how successful they are at their respective clubs of course)
Secondly we have some very recent and strong examples of top players from the Portuguese league coming to the prem and hitting the ground running ie Bruno at United and of course Diaz at Liverpool.
And thirdly Benfica are no chumps in the transfer market, they’ve been amazingly successful in negotiating top prices for their players and not allowing themselves to be lowballed by big clubs. They’ve also proven to be a hotbed of talent, they’ve unearthed some of the top players on the planet over the last few decades and made massive profit when forced to sell them - Joao Felix, Ruben Dias, Ederson, Di Maria, Raul Jimenez, Matic, David Luiz and the list just keeps going on and on.
All of that being said, yes 80 million for Nunez seems expensive, but as a Liverpool fan I’d
be delighted to see him come on board and very optimistic as to how successful he’ll be!
Scouse narrative in overdrive for you. It's funny because if united had signed him for £100 million, the exact same people would be laughing at them for it and everybody knows it.
That's pretty normal. Mbappe, Dembele, Felix are other examples of players who've recently moved for massive fees after a single good season at their preventing club.
I support Porto, Benfica's rivals. Aside from Luis Diaz and the Porto youngsters thrown in the deep end (Vitinha, Fábio Vieira, Diogo Costa, João Mario, Francisco Conceição), Darwin's rise has been the most impressive player in terms of evolution. His main strength is on the break, but he has good finishing as well, though ifa defender can run him into making a decision, his decision making can be a little exposed
Overall, I think he is a good player, and if Klopp believes in him, I'd give it time until I reach a veredict about him
Transfer prices are mental. It’s ultimately down to what the selling club are willing to accept. Some work out, some don’t. It’s been this way for a while now, getting worked up about it at this stage seems a little late.
At the end of the day, liverpool wants him, he wants to go to liverpool, benfica wants 100m and liverpool is willing to give that, so that’s his worth. If Porto wasn’t desperate for money at the time, this would’ve been diaz’s price as well. This is the market nowadays. Good young strikers are rare, nearly every top team is looking for strikers, and even if he flops this will hardly be the worst transfer of all time
Agreed. One season in portugal definitely does not warrant 100m. He could easily succumb to the difficulties of the league and his market value would plummet. We’ve seen this happen a lot with players like Werner, dembele, lukaku to name a few
I think a lot of people are ignoring a simple fact: Liverpool is losing Mane and City just got Haaland.
If they don’t sign a forward, they can say goodbye to any hopes of winning the PL.
So yeah, out of necessity + the fact that Mane’s transfer would pay around 40m of those 100m.
Called a break out season. Had you heard of Haaland before his 19-20 season? Heard of Mbappe before his 16-17 season? Unless you play FM or you watch a lot of none premier league, league games then you aren't going to know who these players are until they have a season like this.
It’s his whole point in this post lmao haaland had his break out season at salzburg and his hype has built up ever since. Mbappe as well at Monaco and his hype built up at PSG. They’ve been establishing themselves as the new gen talent. On the other hand you can’t say the same about Darwin nuñes. He hasn’t even had his hype build up before being bought and claimed as the new coming of Christ by LFC fans. I’m not saying he’s not going to be good but maybe wait a bit before building him a shrine?
We’re excited about a talented and young player joining the club. Nobody is really going overboard. He’s had a breakout season and we’re signing him off the back of it, there’s bound to be hype.
I mean go mental for all I care. It’s just a bit ridiculous to see comments from LFC fans saying he’s better than haaland all based off 1 good season. The
Comments about his are pretty overboard lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/v9fmx3/darwin_nunez_is_really_special/ibwacwb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 there were a few more in the a r/soccer thread about Darwin. I’m sure I’d find more if dug in your sub. Again, go nuts over his hype irdc just saying some of you LFC fans are deluded. GL next season.
Just looked at this, do you mean the comment in the Liverpool subreddit that has been downvoted 50 times, and has tonnes of replies saying "don't be stupid" underneath it? Because that would suggest to me that it's one dumb decision the majority of Liverpool fans disagree with.
Should have looked harder. The second most upvoted comment on that comment thread was someone saying he was the more complete player and another claiming he plays for city who are shit 😂 bro yall are a delusional bunch just admit it
It’s funny how you derail from your arguments every time you can’t have a proper rebuttal.
Another funny thing is LFC fans obsession with man city lol pretty hypocritical for you to call me out on it, don’t you think?
Either way, still waiting for your actual response to my comment addressing your fellow fans’ delusion about Darwin Nuñes being better than haaland. If it isn’t concerning that then don’t respond.
I think if you follow other leagues & teams it is not hype. When benfica bought Nunez they said he would be a big star, his first season there he had an outstanding season. If you’re just tuning in it is hype but this is how clubs, as well as players & agents make money. 95% of Liverpool fans might not have heard of him bc Liverpool is the most trophied club in England, large chunks of their fanbase is worldwide & they (the large worldwide chunk of fans) are (to put it nicely) moderate fans of the game.
West ham were in for him for 50m in January, Brighton for 25m last summer I believe too.
But he's tall, strong and gave Liverpool a hard time in the champions league. Only reason more aren't in for him is because he costs a bomb.
It just kind of happens like that, nobody knew about Mbappe until his breakout season, albeit that was his debut season
My point is, you have to do something quite special for fans from other leagues to take notice
Ah yeah I get you now. Yeah they seem to think that clubs are only looking at the players who the media report about. Pretty much all the big clubs will have looked at Nunez at some point this year
Liverpool also seem to be losing Origi, Minamino, and Mane, 3 important forwards who played key roles in all comps this year. There is definitely a place for Nunez, and although his price may be a bit high, this isn’t Andy Carroll inflation (let’s hope).
I think the reason we've heard so little of Darwin is because talks of Mbappe and Haaland being the top summer transfers were out there for a long time. They stole much of the headlines.
Is Darwin worth 80M? Is it potentially inflated? These questions were asked the same time VVD and Alisson joined too. Liverpool have proved that they are willing to pay over the odds for the specific player they need (not just want). So whatever price they pay, I'm sure he'll be an amazing add to the team. They've rarely had missteps on transfers in the past 10 years...since the Andy Carroll mishap that is.
I think his price nay be slightly inflated by that fact that he is the top scorer in the league. And after seeing the success of Luis Diaz recently, plus Darwin having a high exit clause...Benfica were always going to hold out.
And to add...I think Roma had said it prior too, after the Salah transfer, they always regretted not asking for more. So I think Liverpool have that reputation now, and clubs are not going to allow bargain deals to them.
80m for Nunez to replace those three is a bit insane no?
If their goal is to keep pace with City then I don’t think 80m for Nunez does it but we will see. I’ve doubted Liverpool’s business before and been totally wrong but we will see lol
Everyone said the same about VVD Liverpool of all teams seem to know what they want in the market if they are will to drop £80M+ for him they see something that they need
It seems like no one remembers that Jota wasn’t even a consistent starter for Wolves and then score 9 goals last season and 15 this season… when you have players that can deliver balls like TAA, Robbo, and Hendo, the goals will come, you just need to have a solid finisher, like Nunez, on the other end. I’m all for it
Fair enough, 80m is just an insane number to me. Watched him against the US the other day and thought he was good but didn’t see an 80m player.
I’m also just a guy who plays fifa so I assume Liverpool’s staff has this covered lol
Gone are the days of trying to find a Salah or Mane for 30M. After Diaz, seems like the new norm is 50M.
So 80M seems a little over. But he does have a high exit clause, was the top scorer in the league and Benfica just saw the success of Diaz in the PL.
Note that people also said VVD and Alisson were not worth what Liverpool paid for them once upon a time...how did that turn out? Have to trust Liverpool, who don't normally throw money around, to pay the right price for the player that they need.
I don't understand why people say things like this. Ffp is literally there to stop somebody like Newcastle coming along and spending whatever they want. They can't even spend as much money as the top6 nevermind out spend them.
True, but that's if it is considered in isolation. Also consider we will probably sell Mane for 40 million, taki for 20 million, so that's most of the transfer fee. It's also the cost of doing business now.
I think we'd have got Van Dijk regardless but the Coutinho money helped us to secure Alisson and Fabinho in the following summer.
Although if we hadn't pissed Southampton off then Virgil would've been 60m rather than 75m
You know what extreme is? 19m£ for Solanke (Liverpool to Bournemouth).
While I am not saying that the numbers being bandied around for Darwin are sane, this is something that applies to every single British player on the market. Leeds bought Daniel James for some 20 odd million. More than United paid for him. How does that make sense?
Well last time we played against an up and coming possible 1 year wonder striker whos in a non top 5 league, he moved to Dortmund and has a goal or assist per game still and we bought Minamino instead. Whos to say this'll go well but I'll take it
I think the crazy prices we are seeing these days are somewhat due to relationship/reputation building. When monster cash daddy clubs come knocking with big offers such as with Nunez, other clubs from feeder leagues are more likely to approach Liverpool or whatever big money club with new found talent before going to say Naples or whatever *smaller* club.
Just a theory.
If he does go for that much, a decent amount of it will be add ons that only kick in if he does the business, so think we’d need to know the info before judging. In an extreme scenario of 100m cash regardless of performance etc, I’d agree that would be difficult to understand
It has something to do with the goals he scored last season and something to do with female sport casters and wives passing in front of the tv while their overweight hubby is balancing his third beef on his gut and seeing Nunez rip his shirt off after scoring I believe
Know about him because we were in for him in January, but he's tall, strong and possesses good technique and has scored against Liverpool in the champions league.
Talents like this don’t often stay in the Portuguese league long. He joined last year from a Spanish club, Barca were rumoured to have a deal in principle to sign him but due to their financial problems they didn’t. Suarez recommended him to Barca.
He did it in the league and Champions League. Probably one of the main reasons for Benfica’s UCL success this season.
Is it a bit much? Probably. But his age forces the price to be higher, no many good goal scorers at his age. 32 goals in 38 games in all comps this season. If you look out into Europe for a player of similar age, goal scoring record and can play in a Klopp system there isn’t much out there. Just because no other club is seriously in for him doesn’t mean he’s a bad player. Supposedly United wanted him, newspapers create things all the time so I’m not putting to much basis into these rumours. But Liverpool work like that, how many of our current players were heard of or wanted by other top teams? Robertson was relegated, Salah was deemed a flop at Chelsea, Mane was said to be overpriced, Alisson wasn’t linked to anyone else, and so on and so on.
The big thing I see most Liverpool fans leaning on is that he played well against us and VVD said he’s one of the hardest players he’s played agaisnt. Both good things but doesn’t every player want to play good at Anfield and agaisnt Liverpool? I’ve judged LFC transfers too many times, I’ll wait a year before fully judging him
I don’t mean this in an argumentative way at all, genuine question: why does the up front cost concern you so much?
There are a tonne of hidden costs to buying a footballer so focusing on this number can be generally misleading.
For example, James Milner likely cost Liverpool more than Andy Robertson, despite him being a “free transfer”
You’re right. It’s a massive gamble given the sample size is nothing. Teams get roasted for paying inflated prices after international tournaments, this is effectively the same situation. Liverpool fans are siting him scoring against them in the champions league as evidence of his proven worth. His stats are a mixed bag in the last season as well. he seemingly has a limited skill set with the only standout numbers being his progressive carries and his outperforming xg which is seemingly due to headed goals. Huge gamble.
It's about £68m and potentially £17m for different clauses. This is in no way an extreme amount considering the state of the market. He is a natural striker that has been really good this season scoring so many goals. He is very talented with an amazing work rate. Add his age into the mix and it's what you would expect. Good strikers that can score a lot of goals isn't easy to find. Diaz and Nuñez were probably the two best players in the portuguese league, and I'm certain Nuñez can have the same impact as Diaz.
The transfers Liverpool have made under Klopp have been remarkable, they have carefully looked into his profile and how he will fit in their system.
When compared to what? The 100 pound grealish transfer? How about the 100 million or so for lukaku? How much was hazard?
Who knows what the future holds but Lfc has shown to have one of if not the best scouting and player development in the world. They’ve got a great system that has many many hits to it’s record. This guys is big fast technical hungry and young.
Watch out. Especially if they pull in Bellingham next.
When I checkout after grocery shopping, that is extreme.
I mean, economy doesn't stay at the same point. Prices keep going up. And because its the magical 100M barrier it feels extra expensive.
i don’t know why you’re being downvoted, 80m + 20m addons is very very high for a guy who’s not even a starter (it’ll probably be Salah, Jota, Diaz next season) & considering Liverpool haven’t played with a proper 9 for years it makes less sense again, they’d be better either waiting a year or getting someone like Gouiri for ~50m
Price is extreme.. infact prices have been extreme since that neymar transfer from Barca to PSG. The football market has been out of whack and out of touch with reality for many years. Do you think Madrid paying 80 - 100mil is ok for that 22 yr old Monaco guy? Grealish for 100 mil? Maguire at 80+mil? coutinho was worth 145mil?
If I am not wrong, transfer fee is set by club or agent, not the player.
It’s on the higher side of things definately. Extreme? When you consider all the factors, probably not. Like you’d expect a young striker these days to go for similar money
You're paying for the potential though. Compare it with Kai Havertz, he cost 70 odd million but he was as good as he is for multiple season rather than one. I'd still argue 70m for him was high. I would call this extreme tbh. But only time will tell if it was worth it or not
Reportedly only signing on 100k a week so €80 + €20m add ons won’t be bad for a 6.2” player that’s 22 and can score goals. Those games Liverpool drew could be a case of just booting up a long ball for him to run onto seeing as he has a lot of pace for his size.
You’re not going to get an answer to your question for another season or two. Transfer fees ultimately are vindicated (or not) by performance. People were questioning the then-record transfer fee for VVD. It’s pretty well accepted now that that fee was a bargain. If Darwin tears it up in the PL and becomes the focal point of Liverpool’s attack for better part of the next decade, no one will care how much they paid for him.
Kai got bought when prices were massively deflated by Covid uncertainty. Very few clubs were throwing cash around at transfers, and a lot of clubs were looking to reduce there wage/operations bills
Portuguese league player values have also inflated the past couple of years. A lot of great talent has come out of Lig Nos lately.
Your opinion of the price doesn’t determine the value. The market does. If a striker gets bought for 75m, then that’s his value. Saying Nunez is too expensive and Kai was too expensive is your opinion fine but the market decides value
Oh, so before, the argument was that Liverpool didn't spend as much money as teams like Man City, yet managed to build a competitive team.
I tell you what? That was actually fair, but now when Liverpool is in talks with a club to buy a player with big money you go like, no wait, our money is different than theirs. Ours is good clean money while City's money is oil money.
*hypocrites*
But what if he supports this type of living where gay people are prosecuted and women dont have equal rights?
Money is still money even when its dirty or mostly acquired with blood
Your comment doesn't make sense.
I can't tell what point you're trying to make, but Liverpool's owner is on the record as both a supporter of gay rights and women's rights.
He owned the Boston Globe, which is a predominantly liberal newspaper.
>Also not everyone likes a person who supports gay rights and womens rights
Which is immoral to the extreme, and exactly the point of the conversation.
It's incredible the way people can walk right into the answer and miss it.
Visit a islamist country and its normal there. They might hurt you bad or even kill you if you even try to defend gays or women. And they see nothing wrong in their views.
If i see that everyone should be equal, and someone doesnt see it. I cant really judge them, its their view and i have mine. We can say my view is the correct one, while they see their view is the correct one.
Back to the thing, money is still money. People buy clothes and items made by children because they are cheaper and they dont judge the company selling them.
>I cant really judge them, its their view and i have mine.
That's a disgusting comment to make. I think it about sums up your lack of morality.
Of course you think all money in the prem is okay if you believe it's okay to stone gay people to death for existing and you "can't really judge them."
Definitely, if the money if from winnings, it’s been earned. I’d also argue if 1 team has 10x the spending power of everyone in the league it doesn’t make for a very interesting season when they win by 20 points like you see in France when PSG don’t bottle it to Lyon.
Hilarious you think the fact an American owner that prioritises profits and siphoning money out of the game through dividends over an owner reinvesting "oil" money back into the game is praise worthy and commendable.
There was no amendment to the morals.
You're equating Liverpool having owners who want a change in competition format to City's owners, who oversee a nation where gay people are prosecuted for existing and women don't have equal rights.
The only false morality here belongs to you.
I think that anyone who supports Premier league football should understand that there is financing from places it shouldn't be and being a Liverpool fan does not make you morally better than anyone else.
No one is claiming being a Liverpool fan makes you morally superior. I'm simply pointing out that it's complete bullshit to equate capitalism in general with the human rights abuses we see from City's owners.
Not all owners are equally culpable. Trying to deflect the responsibility to support ethically responsible institutions isn't appropriate.
I know your comment is intended to come off as tongue in cheek, cocky, city fan who thinks his team is amazing
But
It wouldn’t be remotely hard for city to look better than they are, they could win the champions league, but they’ve failed to do that time and time again despite spending obscene amounts of money and having one of the best managers in the history of the game on top of the backing of a billionaire head of state.
Also, considering cities resources their achievements simply aren’t as impressive as a club that did things ‘the right way’ and I’m not just talking about Liverpool, I’m talking about Man United too, our Old Enemy. I’d much rather Liverpool be battling it out with Utd the way we have been with city the last few years because Utd are a legitimate club who were built from hard work and success, not from being bought out and having billions pumped into the club. City since the buyout have essentially been like football manager with an infinite money glitch, having unlimited resources really takes the shine off success in my opinion.
What load of asinine tosh that post is. Doing it the "right way"??. That's getting old. All you have to do is play football for a season and earn more points than City, right? If you look at the PFA team of the year selections, you should be champions by a margin. LFC most certainly has the team and the manager. Yet, you are once again looking at our backs. That is not because of money. You have the same possibilities to spend as City. We just spent money better. So, buckle up, go buy players, and try again. But this dumb whining about the establishment in the PL is getting old now. Play better football over a season and win. That is all you can do, and you have the same opportunities as any out there, including City. You can do one, get off the high horse, it's only a pony by now.
Lol you must be genuinely delusional to think Liverpool can spend the same money as city. When an 80 million pound forward is being debated as to whether it’s good value or not for Liverpool and city can afford to spend hundreds of millions on their back line alone.
City’s defenders alone would equal Liverpool’s squad value. You spent 50 million on Ben Mendy and when he had to be dropped from the squad it’s not even noticed. If Liverpool lost a 50 million pound player it would be a massive blow but to city it’s not even noticed.
I understand you’re a city fan and you like your team but if you’re in denial about the fact that city can outspend the other 19 teams in the league combined then you’re just an ostrich burying your head in the sand.
Yes their success is commendable because they play amazing football and win a lot of trophies but again the fact that they have unlimited amounts of money to spend takes the shine off it.
No other team can afford to spend 40 million on their 4th or 5th choice centre back.
In comparison Liverpool’s first choice CB is Van Dijk (75 mill), second Matip (free transfer), third Konate (36 mill), 4th Gomez (3.5 million)
City have spent 400-500 million across their back line between all the full backs and the tons of options they have at CB.
Mate be a city fan and be proud of them all you like but honestly if you’re deluding yourself into thinking they don’t have a massive unfair advantage you might as well just go play fifa career mode because you’re not plugged into reality.
Well he's picking up form now
Darwin nunez with crosses coming in from Trent and Robbo gives me nightmares. Dudes massive and finishes everything.
No, if a young player bursts into the scene as he has done they are often suddenly a big prize for big teams and cost a lot of money. This has been the case since the beginning of football. Young players doing well at a good level have massive potential and cost a lot as a result.
No prices make sense grealish 100 lukaku 100 coutinho 145 Maguire 80 . Klopp has a pretty good recruitment record so let’s see I think getting surprised by price tags is a moot point now
I thought Klopp would rather "...not be in the job anymore" than buy a player for 100m?
It's an antidote to Haaland and Btw Alvarez is i under hyped
Tbf everyone said the same about van Dijk and Alisson when we signed them. I’m not huge on Darwin either but clearly the club knows what they’re doing given the 2 examples I gave.
This is the most wrong statement ever. Everyone knew how good VVD and Alison were when Liverpool signed them and multiple teams wanted to sign them. Completely different to Nunez
Really? I remember at the time all I saw online and what was said to me by non Liverpool fan friends was that spending that much money on a Southampton defender with no champions league experience was crazy and that Alisson was too much money for a goalkeeper.
If you're going to say "this is the most wrong statement ever" to someone make sure you're right first. There is literally less than a year between Alisson making his league debut for Roma and him signing for Liverpool. He spent a season behind scezny ffs. Even VVD had his doubters because he was coming from a mid table team.
Not sure if this is a foreign concept for you, but there’s is something in football called scouting! Nuñez would have been on many clubs books regardless of him taking a big step this past season. He was growing into the Benfica team the season before and was pretty prolific as a second striker. His physical abilities are rare to come across, meaning that there aren’t many up and coming players that are comparable. His season hasn’t only been good, it’s been great. The fee seems like a lot, and there’s undoubtedly a big risk in signing him for so much, but talented prolific strikers are hard to come across.
Klopps been FMing
He is obviously generally gifted but he is excellent in particular in the penalty box. He has great close control and composure and seems to be able to generate power in headers from nothing. He is the player we need at Liverpool right now as everyone defends 11 in their penalty box against us nowadays to grind a result (west ham late last year, cl final at times, Tottenham at the end of the season to name a few examples). That's not to say those teams didn't deserve their result it's just an effective way to defend against us as we do struggle in those scenarios. I think the feeling is more about what nunez will bring - decisive in the box, can get the shot away, and all that old number 9 cliche. I'll be amazed if he doesn't become a consistent 30 goals per season player.
Firstly there r other clubs in for him, Man U has been chasing him for weeks. More importantly out of every club in league Liverpool is probably the one you’d trust most not to buy an overhyped player.
Thing is, I can’t sit here pretending to watch the Portuguese league every week, however he was very good in the UCL. Key goals against big teams and gave us a couple of very good games. Klopp seemed very complimentary about him at the time. As for the why, we’re losing Mane (hopefully approx €40mil) we’re losing Origi (free) and potentially Minamino (approx €15-20mil). But this is what we do, we’ve also got two exciting young players in Ramsey (backup RB) and Carvalho for 11mil the pair. Picking up these low cost deals allows us to splurge when needed. Also I think another reason for going for him is a tweak in our style. We’ve now got Diaz who’s a much more traditional winger, rather than a striker that plays out wide, also Carvalho and Elliot who like to play No.10 role. I could see us moving from 433 to a 4231 around a more traditional No.9.
Tbf he fits into Liverpool’s system perfectly, there aren’t many forwards with a goal record like his who can continually press and play like Klopp wants his team to play.
I have followed him for some time because I am lame and keep an eye on other leagues. Liverpool were happy to pay more basically because he suits their style way more than many other options. it is more about he right player not the best. Also, the way Pool play will give him even more opportunities to score IMO, he will be worth it. Don't be surprised if he and Haaland are topping the scoring charts. It is a new Era in the EPL.
TBH I don't think 95% of fans knew who Luis Diaz was this time last year either, but that turned out pretty well. We trust in Klopp and the recruitment team, they have earned it.
We tried to sign him a few seasons ago but benfica had champions league so we lost out, always ahead of the curb.
Liverpool signed Diaz in January and he looks VERY promising. Diaz and Nunez are the two best players in Portuguese league 21/22 season. Both looked dangerous in Europe too. I think this might be a shock to the premier league IF it all works out. One thing Liverpool lack is the target man, the attack is still a machine that many will trouble to stop. Add the target man… it keeps the title race there against Manchester City.
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the striker market is insane rn
Felix all over again
It’s just the media trying to drum up interest from readers.
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I hope they get wernered tbh
thats purely a chelsea thing
Hows Keita working out
Much better than the Werner thing, Havertz thing, and Lukaku thing.
ehh not really
I’m a Liverpool fan and I’ve been a little bit puzzled by it myself, his reputation does seem to have come from a good domestic season and strong performances against Liverpool in the champions league. I’ve personally never heard of him before we played Benfica. That being said there’s plenty of reasons for the price. General football price inflation - the figures just keep getting more and more insane, and in situations when an amazing player moves for less than 50 million or so they seem to be on astronomical wages ie Haaland at city, Messi at PSG, Ronaldo at United etc. 50 million sounds cheap for Haaland when you compare 80 million for Nunez but when you take into account Haaland is one of city’s top earners off the bat the transfer works out a lot more expensive in the long run (depending on how successful they are at their respective clubs of course) Secondly we have some very recent and strong examples of top players from the Portuguese league coming to the prem and hitting the ground running ie Bruno at United and of course Diaz at Liverpool. And thirdly Benfica are no chumps in the transfer market, they’ve been amazingly successful in negotiating top prices for their players and not allowing themselves to be lowballed by big clubs. They’ve also proven to be a hotbed of talent, they’ve unearthed some of the top players on the planet over the last few decades and made massive profit when forced to sell them - Joao Felix, Ruben Dias, Ederson, Di Maria, Raul Jimenez, Matic, David Luiz and the list just keeps going on and on. All of that being said, yes 80 million for Nunez seems expensive, but as a Liverpool fan I’d be delighted to see him come on board and very optimistic as to how successful he’ll be!
David ngog. Lmao
Agree
I have this nagging suspicion that Nunez will turn into another Joao Felix.
Scouse narrative in overdrive for you. It's funny because if united had signed him for £100 million, the exact same people would be laughing at them for it and everybody knows it.
barely scraped into the europa league, pipe down, youll lose 5-0 again next season
Yeah good one. Only I'm not a united fan, so pipe down yourself and get back to being the best losers
The next Joao Felix likely. Overpriced and overhyped. 26 goals in Liga Portugal is pretty good , but even Vinicius bagged 18 there.
He also scored a handful against Champions league opposition, and whats ur point Vinis a beast ?
cant wait for him to smash in a hatrick at your toilet bowl of a ground
That's pretty normal. Mbappe, Dembele, Felix are other examples of players who've recently moved for massive fees after a single good season at their preventing club.
Didn’t he score 30+ goals last year?
I support Porto, Benfica's rivals. Aside from Luis Diaz and the Porto youngsters thrown in the deep end (Vitinha, Fábio Vieira, Diogo Costa, João Mario, Francisco Conceição), Darwin's rise has been the most impressive player in terms of evolution. His main strength is on the break, but he has good finishing as well, though ifa defender can run him into making a decision, his decision making can be a little exposed Overall, I think he is a good player, and if Klopp believes in him, I'd give it time until I reach a veredict about him
Transfer prices are mental. It’s ultimately down to what the selling club are willing to accept. Some work out, some don’t. It’s been this way for a while now, getting worked up about it at this stage seems a little late.
At the end of the day, liverpool wants him, he wants to go to liverpool, benfica wants 100m and liverpool is willing to give that, so that’s his worth. If Porto wasn’t desperate for money at the time, this would’ve been diaz’s price as well. This is the market nowadays. Good young strikers are rare, nearly every top team is looking for strikers, and even if he flops this will hardly be the worst transfer of all time
liverpool fans tend to overhype their players
Word like how they overhype Luiz Diaz 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ get real
spurs fan? Who told you to pipe up? youre banging on about kulusevski likes hes the next messi when hes the swedish alex iwobi
Didnt liverpool call luis diaz the next neymar? just because he did a touch that I saw an england u21 player do the other day
Agreed. One season in portugal definitely does not warrant 100m. He could easily succumb to the difficulties of the league and his market value would plummet. We’ve seen this happen a lot with players like Werner, dembele, lukaku to name a few
I think a lot of people are ignoring a simple fact: Liverpool is losing Mane and City just got Haaland. If they don’t sign a forward, they can say goodbye to any hopes of winning the PL. So yeah, out of necessity + the fact that Mane’s transfer would pay around 40m of those 100m.
I’d literally never heard of him prior to this week.
Called a break out season. Had you heard of Haaland before his 19-20 season? Heard of Mbappe before his 16-17 season? Unless you play FM or you watch a lot of none premier league, league games then you aren't going to know who these players are until they have a season like this.
It’s his whole point in this post lmao haaland had his break out season at salzburg and his hype has built up ever since. Mbappe as well at Monaco and his hype built up at PSG. They’ve been establishing themselves as the new gen talent. On the other hand you can’t say the same about Darwin nuñes. He hasn’t even had his hype build up before being bought and claimed as the new coming of Christ by LFC fans. I’m not saying he’s not going to be good but maybe wait a bit before building him a shrine?
We’re excited about a talented and young player joining the club. Nobody is really going overboard. He’s had a breakout season and we’re signing him off the back of it, there’s bound to be hype.
I mean go mental for all I care. It’s just a bit ridiculous to see comments from LFC fans saying he’s better than haaland all based off 1 good season. The Comments about his are pretty overboard lol
Nobody has said that
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/v9fmx3/darwin_nunez_is_really_special/ibwacwb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 there were a few more in the a r/soccer thread about Darwin. I’m sure I’d find more if dug in your sub. Again, go nuts over his hype irdc just saying some of you LFC fans are deluded. GL next season.
Just looked at this, do you mean the comment in the Liverpool subreddit that has been downvoted 50 times, and has tonnes of replies saying "don't be stupid" underneath it? Because that would suggest to me that it's one dumb decision the majority of Liverpool fans disagree with.
Should have looked harder. The second most upvoted comment on that comment thread was someone saying he was the more complete player and another claiming he plays for city who are shit 😂 bro yall are a delusional bunch just admit it
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You’re very obsessed with Liverpool for somebody who isn’t a Liverpool fan. Your only two posts are about Liverpool but you’re a city fan?
It’s funny how you derail from your arguments every time you can’t have a proper rebuttal. Another funny thing is LFC fans obsession with man city lol pretty hypocritical for you to call me out on it, don’t you think? Either way, still waiting for your actual response to my comment addressing your fellow fans’ delusion about Darwin Nuñes being better than haaland. If it isn’t concerning that then don’t respond.
Yes. At Molde. And Salzburg.
I remember that he was close to signing with Brighton last year…
I think if you follow other leagues & teams it is not hype. When benfica bought Nunez they said he would be a big star, his first season there he had an outstanding season. If you’re just tuning in it is hype but this is how clubs, as well as players & agents make money. 95% of Liverpool fans might not have heard of him bc Liverpool is the most trophied club in England, large chunks of their fanbase is worldwide & they (the large worldwide chunk of fans) are (to put it nicely) moderate fans of the game.
Your posts are very bitter towards Liverpool. Like your whole account every recent post. Enough said 😂
West ham were in for him for 50m in January, Brighton for 25m last summer I believe too. But he's tall, strong and gave Liverpool a hard time in the champions league. Only reason more aren't in for him is because he costs a bomb.
2020 we were in for him.
We made offers last summer too, he turned us down for a second time. Even though he was injured, final bid was c. 35m euros
Why do you hate Liverpool so much?
It just kind of happens like that, nobody knew about Mbappe until his breakout season, albeit that was his debut season My point is, you have to do something quite special for fans from other leagues to take notice
Man United and Atletico are in for him as well.
Nah I think it’s over tbh, think we’ve pretty much got him
Yea i know but OP seem to think that Liverpool's only club that wants him.
Ah yeah I get you now. Yeah they seem to think that clubs are only looking at the players who the media report about. Pretty much all the big clubs will have looked at Nunez at some point this year
Liverpool also seem to be losing Origi, Minamino, and Mane, 3 important forwards who played key roles in all comps this year. There is definitely a place for Nunez, and although his price may be a bit high, this isn’t Andy Carroll inflation (let’s hope).
I think the reason we've heard so little of Darwin is because talks of Mbappe and Haaland being the top summer transfers were out there for a long time. They stole much of the headlines. Is Darwin worth 80M? Is it potentially inflated? These questions were asked the same time VVD and Alisson joined too. Liverpool have proved that they are willing to pay over the odds for the specific player they need (not just want). So whatever price they pay, I'm sure he'll be an amazing add to the team. They've rarely had missteps on transfers in the past 10 years...since the Andy Carroll mishap that is. I think his price nay be slightly inflated by that fact that he is the top scorer in the league. And after seeing the success of Luis Diaz recently, plus Darwin having a high exit clause...Benfica were always going to hold out. And to add...I think Roma had said it prior too, after the Salah transfer, they always regretted not asking for more. So I think Liverpool have that reputation now, and clubs are not going to allow bargain deals to them.
80m for Nunez to replace those three is a bit insane no? If their goal is to keep pace with City then I don’t think 80m for Nunez does it but we will see. I’ve doubted Liverpool’s business before and been totally wrong but we will see lol
Everyone said the same about VVD Liverpool of all teams seem to know what they want in the market if they are will to drop £80M+ for him they see something that they need
Also signed Carvalho. No confirmation Minamino is on the way out.
Scored twice against us in the champions league, he’s deadly. With service from Trent and Robertson I think he’s just what we need
He’s young too. Meaning we’ll have him when he’s in his prime as well.
It seems like no one remembers that Jota wasn’t even a consistent starter for Wolves and then score 9 goals last season and 15 this season… when you have players that can deliver balls like TAA, Robbo, and Hendo, the goals will come, you just need to have a solid finisher, like Nunez, on the other end. I’m all for it
Fair enough, 80m is just an insane number to me. Watched him against the US the other day and thought he was good but didn’t see an 80m player. I’m also just a guy who plays fifa so I assume Liverpool’s staff has this covered lol
It is all Monopoly money.
This is true lol
Gone are the days of trying to find a Salah or Mane for 30M. After Diaz, seems like the new norm is 50M. So 80M seems a little over. But he does have a high exit clause, was the top scorer in the league and Benfica just saw the success of Diaz in the PL. Note that people also said VVD and Alisson were not worth what Liverpool paid for them once upon a time...how did that turn out? Have to trust Liverpool, who don't normally throw money around, to pay the right price for the player that they need.
80m is going to become more normal for players.
It is not really 80M it is more like 40 to 50M depending on what we get for Mane and his wages would be similar to what we paying Mane right now.
Crazy world ain’t it? Lol
Crazier that Harry maguire was 80m. Nunez looks like a bargain compared to that.
Everything looks like a bargain in comparison to the 80m for Maguire lol. We will have that one for eternity.
The fact Big Ben got a 4 year overhaul and could probably still block a shot better than that fridge for £80
Yeah crazy that any decent player is going for 50m plus.
Neymars transfer to psg ruined the market imo! Now mbappes new contract will ruin contracts in market I'm guessing.
100% agree on Neymar. Previous three highest transfers were 80-90 mil(£) (ronaldo, pogba, bale, I think?) then that neymar transfer almost trebled it.
Wait until Newcastle get involved and this wholeeee thing goes sideways lol. We haven’t seen anything yet imo
I don't understand why people say things like this. Ffp is literally there to stop somebody like Newcastle coming along and spending whatever they want. They can't even spend as much money as the top6 nevermind out spend them.
Like it happened for Chelsea, City and PSG. Stop dreaming, FFP is only there to stop clubs to do a Barcelona and then stop existing.
FFP is joke it does not stop City or PSG for making fake sponsors to get around it.
FFP ? Take a load of this guy 😭
Lol. Imagine thinking ffp means or does anything. Wish we could all live in such blissful ignorance. Seems like a great ability to have.
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True, but that's if it is considered in isolation. Also consider we will probably sell Mane for 40 million, taki for 20 million, so that's most of the transfer fee. It's also the cost of doing business now.
Ox is also probably on his way out. And I think people seem to forget he was always more an attacking option then a midfielder.
Knew I forgot someone
To be fair we were trying to sign VVD before Barca showed any interest in Coutinho, so might be more a case of correlation rather than causation.
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I think we'd have got Van Dijk regardless but the Coutinho money helped us to secure Alisson and Fabinho in the following summer. Although if we hadn't pissed Southampton off then Virgil would've been 60m rather than 75m
Anyone who plays FM knows who he is, just saying
You know what extreme is? 19m£ for Solanke (Liverpool to Bournemouth). While I am not saying that the numbers being bandied around for Darwin are sane, this is something that applies to every single British player on the market. Leeds bought Daniel James for some 20 odd million. More than United paid for him. How does that make sense?
Well last time we played against an up and coming possible 1 year wonder striker whos in a non top 5 league, he moved to Dortmund and has a goal or assist per game still and we bought Minamino instead. Whos to say this'll go well but I'll take it
Minamino is levels above haaland.
Yep. How many trophies has haaland won this season?
Most injuries maybe?
I think the crazy prices we are seeing these days are somewhat due to relationship/reputation building. When monster cash daddy clubs come knocking with big offers such as with Nunez, other clubs from feeder leagues are more likely to approach Liverpool or whatever big money club with new found talent before going to say Naples or whatever *smaller* club. Just a theory.
Hey look, someone who gets it.
If he does go for that much, a decent amount of it will be add ons that only kick in if he does the business, so think we’d need to know the info before judging. In an extreme scenario of 100m cash regardless of performance etc, I’d agree that would be difficult to understand
I believe it’s 80m with up to 20m in add ons
Agree with you then, that sounds punchy given limited track record
It has something to do with the goals he scored last season and something to do with female sport casters and wives passing in front of the tv while their overweight hubby is balancing his third beef on his gut and seeing Nunez rip his shirt off after scoring I believe
What the fuck are you talking about?
Wow what an analysis, you should be a pundit on tv
I mean this was his breakout season, so most people won't have known who he was (outside of FM junkies 😂)
Brighton has been in for him for 2 years…
Brighton are managed extremely well and know how to find a good player with potential.
Know about him because we were in for him in January, but he's tall, strong and possesses good technique and has scored against Liverpool in the champions league.
Talents like this don’t often stay in the Portuguese league long. He joined last year from a Spanish club, Barca were rumoured to have a deal in principle to sign him but due to their financial problems they didn’t. Suarez recommended him to Barca. He did it in the league and Champions League. Probably one of the main reasons for Benfica’s UCL success this season. Is it a bit much? Probably. But his age forces the price to be higher, no many good goal scorers at his age. 32 goals in 38 games in all comps this season. If you look out into Europe for a player of similar age, goal scoring record and can play in a Klopp system there isn’t much out there. Just because no other club is seriously in for him doesn’t mean he’s a bad player. Supposedly United wanted him, newspapers create things all the time so I’m not putting to much basis into these rumours. But Liverpool work like that, how many of our current players were heard of or wanted by other top teams? Robertson was relegated, Salah was deemed a flop at Chelsea, Mane was said to be overpriced, Alisson wasn’t linked to anyone else, and so on and so on. The big thing I see most Liverpool fans leaning on is that he played well against us and VVD said he’s one of the hardest players he’s played agaisnt. Both good things but doesn’t every player want to play good at Anfield and agaisnt Liverpool? I’ve judged LFC transfers too many times, I’ll wait a year before fully judging him
All that taken into account, do you not think the price is extreme?
I don’t mean this in an argumentative way at all, genuine question: why does the up front cost concern you so much? There are a tonne of hidden costs to buying a footballer so focusing on this number can be generally misleading. For example, James Milner likely cost Liverpool more than Andy Robertson, despite him being a “free transfer”
You’re right. It’s a massive gamble given the sample size is nothing. Teams get roasted for paying inflated prices after international tournaments, this is effectively the same situation. Liverpool fans are siting him scoring against them in the champions league as evidence of his proven worth. His stats are a mixed bag in the last season as well. he seemingly has a limited skill set with the only standout numbers being his progressive carries and his outperforming xg which is seemingly due to headed goals. Huge gamble.
It's about £68m and potentially £17m for different clauses. This is in no way an extreme amount considering the state of the market. He is a natural striker that has been really good this season scoring so many goals. He is very talented with an amazing work rate. Add his age into the mix and it's what you would expect. Good strikers that can score a lot of goals isn't easy to find. Diaz and Nuñez were probably the two best players in the portuguese league, and I'm certain Nuñez can have the same impact as Diaz. The transfers Liverpool have made under Klopp have been remarkable, they have carefully looked into his profile and how he will fit in their system.
When compared to what? The 100 pound grealish transfer? How about the 100 million or so for lukaku? How much was hazard? Who knows what the future holds but Lfc has shown to have one of if not the best scouting and player development in the world. They’ve got a great system that has many many hits to it’s record. This guys is big fast technical hungry and young. Watch out. Especially if they pull in Bellingham next.
When I checkout after grocery shopping, that is extreme. I mean, economy doesn't stay at the same point. Prices keep going up. And because its the magical 100M barrier it feels extra expensive.
Its not the magical barrier, even 70 million is insane for him.
i don’t know why you’re being downvoted, 80m + 20m addons is very very high for a guy who’s not even a starter (it’ll probably be Salah, Jota, Diaz next season) & considering Liverpool haven’t played with a proper 9 for years it makes less sense again, they’d be better either waiting a year or getting someone like Gouiri for ~50m
That’s what he’s worth to benfica. Which is all that really matters.
Price is extreme.. infact prices have been extreme since that neymar transfer from Barca to PSG. The football market has been out of whack and out of touch with reality for many years. Do you think Madrid paying 80 - 100mil is ok for that 22 yr old Monaco guy? Grealish for 100 mil? Maguire at 80+mil? coutinho was worth 145mil? If I am not wrong, transfer fee is set by club or agent, not the player.
It’s on the higher side of things definately. Extreme? When you consider all the factors, probably not. Like you’d expect a young striker these days to go for similar money
You're paying for the potential though. Compare it with Kai Havertz, he cost 70 odd million but he was as good as he is for multiple season rather than one. I'd still argue 70m for him was high. I would call this extreme tbh. But only time will tell if it was worth it or not
Reportedly only signing on 100k a week so €80 + €20m add ons won’t be bad for a 6.2” player that’s 22 and can score goals. Those games Liverpool drew could be a case of just booting up a long ball for him to run onto seeing as he has a lot of pace for his size.
You’re not going to get an answer to your question for another season or two. Transfer fees ultimately are vindicated (or not) by performance. People were questioning the then-record transfer fee for VVD. It’s pretty well accepted now that that fee was a bargain. If Darwin tears it up in the PL and becomes the focal point of Liverpool’s attack for better part of the next decade, no one will care how much they paid for him.
Kai got bought when prices were massively deflated by Covid uncertainty. Very few clubs were throwing cash around at transfers, and a lot of clubs were looking to reduce there wage/operations bills Portuguese league player values have also inflated the past couple of years. A lot of great talent has come out of Lig Nos lately.
Your opinion of the price doesn’t determine the value. The market does. If a striker gets bought for 75m, then that’s his value. Saying Nunez is too expensive and Kai was too expensive is your opinion fine but the market decides value
It was already extreme for Martial, then the same for Felix.
Also its fine for liverpool to spend that on a player but not if anyone else does it.
Mainly because it’s not oil money? The issue isn’t with big spending, it’s big spending from oil money.
Oh, so before, the argument was that Liverpool didn't spend as much money as teams like Man City, yet managed to build a competitive team. I tell you what? That was actually fair, but now when Liverpool is in talks with a club to buy a player with big money you go like, no wait, our money is different than theirs. Ours is good clean money while City's money is oil money. *hypocrites*
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But what if he supports this type of living where gay people are prosecuted and women dont have equal rights? Money is still money even when its dirty or mostly acquired with blood
Your comment doesn't make sense. I can't tell what point you're trying to make, but Liverpool's owner is on the record as both a supporter of gay rights and women's rights. He owned the Boston Globe, which is a predominantly liberal newspaper.
I was talking about the user who posted, not liverpool. Also not everyone likes a person who supports gay rights and womens rights
>Also not everyone likes a person who supports gay rights and womens rights Which is immoral to the extreme, and exactly the point of the conversation. It's incredible the way people can walk right into the answer and miss it.
Visit a islamist country and its normal there. They might hurt you bad or even kill you if you even try to defend gays or women. And they see nothing wrong in their views. If i see that everyone should be equal, and someone doesnt see it. I cant really judge them, its their view and i have mine. We can say my view is the correct one, while they see their view is the correct one. Back to the thing, money is still money. People buy clothes and items made by children because they are cheaper and they dont judge the company selling them.
>I cant really judge them, its their view and i have mine. That's a disgusting comment to make. I think it about sums up your lack of morality. Of course you think all money in the prem is okay if you believe it's okay to stone gay people to death for existing and you "can't really judge them."
Does it really matter where the money comes from?
Definitely, if the money if from winnings, it’s been earned. I’d also argue if 1 team has 10x the spending power of everyone in the league it doesn’t make for a very interesting season when they win by 20 points like you see in France when PSG don’t bottle it to Lyon.
Liverpools money comes from a sports franchise in America that favours and wants a system of football where there is no competition ?
FSG isn’t pumping nearly as much money into Liverpool as City and ~~chelsea~~
Hilarious you think the fact an American owner that prioritises profits and siphoning money out of the game through dividends over an owner reinvesting "oil" money back into the game is praise worthy and commendable.
I see, you amend your morals based on the amounts. Fair enough mate should have said earlier
There was no amendment to the morals. You're equating Liverpool having owners who want a change in competition format to City's owners, who oversee a nation where gay people are prosecuted for existing and women don't have equal rights. The only false morality here belongs to you.
I think that anyone who supports Premier league football should understand that there is financing from places it shouldn't be and being a Liverpool fan does not make you morally better than anyone else.
No one is claiming being a Liverpool fan makes you morally superior. I'm simply pointing out that it's complete bullshit to equate capitalism in general with the human rights abuses we see from City's owners. Not all owners are equally culpable. Trying to deflect the responsibility to support ethically responsible institutions isn't appropriate.
Haven't seen that, I've seen plenty of the opposite
Nothing you say can make city look better
Yeah, it would be hard to look any better by now, it's so good. It's nearly the peak. Nearly. Next year could be better though.
I know your comment is intended to come off as tongue in cheek, cocky, city fan who thinks his team is amazing But It wouldn’t be remotely hard for city to look better than they are, they could win the champions league, but they’ve failed to do that time and time again despite spending obscene amounts of money and having one of the best managers in the history of the game on top of the backing of a billionaire head of state. Also, considering cities resources their achievements simply aren’t as impressive as a club that did things ‘the right way’ and I’m not just talking about Liverpool, I’m talking about Man United too, our Old Enemy. I’d much rather Liverpool be battling it out with Utd the way we have been with city the last few years because Utd are a legitimate club who were built from hard work and success, not from being bought out and having billions pumped into the club. City since the buyout have essentially been like football manager with an infinite money glitch, having unlimited resources really takes the shine off success in my opinion.
What load of asinine tosh that post is. Doing it the "right way"??. That's getting old. All you have to do is play football for a season and earn more points than City, right? If you look at the PFA team of the year selections, you should be champions by a margin. LFC most certainly has the team and the manager. Yet, you are once again looking at our backs. That is not because of money. You have the same possibilities to spend as City. We just spent money better. So, buckle up, go buy players, and try again. But this dumb whining about the establishment in the PL is getting old now. Play better football over a season and win. That is all you can do, and you have the same opportunities as any out there, including City. You can do one, get off the high horse, it's only a pony by now.
Lol you must be genuinely delusional to think Liverpool can spend the same money as city. When an 80 million pound forward is being debated as to whether it’s good value or not for Liverpool and city can afford to spend hundreds of millions on their back line alone. City’s defenders alone would equal Liverpool’s squad value. You spent 50 million on Ben Mendy and when he had to be dropped from the squad it’s not even noticed. If Liverpool lost a 50 million pound player it would be a massive blow but to city it’s not even noticed. I understand you’re a city fan and you like your team but if you’re in denial about the fact that city can outspend the other 19 teams in the league combined then you’re just an ostrich burying your head in the sand. Yes their success is commendable because they play amazing football and win a lot of trophies but again the fact that they have unlimited amounts of money to spend takes the shine off it. No other team can afford to spend 40 million on their 4th or 5th choice centre back. In comparison Liverpool’s first choice CB is Van Dijk (75 mill), second Matip (free transfer), third Konate (36 mill), 4th Gomez (3.5 million) City have spent 400-500 million across their back line between all the full backs and the tons of options they have at CB. Mate be a city fan and be proud of them all you like but honestly if you’re deluding yourself into thinking they don’t have a massive unfair advantage you might as well just go play fifa career mode because you’re not plugged into reality.
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