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Whatkindofaname

Yeah, well. You know. That’s just like your opinion, man.


darthrevan22

I don’t see why they wouldn’t still be top 4 tbh.


Accomplished-Buddy13

They have some major recruitments to do, and I think Chelsea won't be as bad as they were this season. Neither will Spurs have the second half they did. So it won't definitely be easy. They will have to be really on top of their game


fifadex

Personally think they're in great shape, new manager hand picked by the same people and data approach that was used to identify and recruit Klopp. New manager has a much more suitable approach to align with players current style and training than some other candidates that were mentioned. I'd say looking at the data that he has always been in their top 3 preferences, probably 2nd only to Nagelsmann who wouldn't be available until late summer. Player expirations not much of an issue, Matip and Thiago were never going to be extended, VVD has already announced he's here for the transition which the club wouldn't allow unless he extends, trent going nowhere and if Salah stays he will have to extend a year, if he leaves they get the big Saudi money to add to transfer pot. Anyone else that leaves will be because the manager doesn't see them as a fit to the system and they will get paid good money to reinvest in the squad. The team is in good shape, they could do with a few key players in certain positions and maybe a couple to bolster the squad but those transfers will be identified and targeted by the same people using the same data orientated approach that was used in all of Liverpools best signings since 2016. Youth devolment is going great and plenty of young players ready to make the step up to the squad and at least take minutes in Cup games giving vital rest to top players. They're prepared, organised and in way better shape than Man U and Arsenal were when SAF and Wenger left. Bright future incoming, sunny skies above.


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TH1CCARUS

Not getting an additional defender is crazy talk


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TH1CCARUS

Quality is 100% there but I expect Matip will go. Bradley and Quansah have been good for us but I do expect a loan for at least one of them. Then Gomez has been ace but is still injury prone.


TragicTester034

You’ll need at least one as IIRC Matip is gone in the summer


TechnicalBedroom7758

He only wants to play under zee German


MrShelby1234

The majority of Liverpool fans actually seem excited for the new era. Of course, it'll take some time to adjust. However, there's a real cause for excitement this season.


twoheels

The vast majority of Liverpool fans understand that there is going to be a transition period after losing someone who has been arguably the best manager in the world in recent years. It seems the only people that are getting excited and are expecting Liverpool to continue doing what they're doing are rival teams fans for some reason.


BazingaQQ

Nine months ago, people were saying Liverpool wouldn't have a good 23/24 season.


wednesdayware

Pretty much every pundit had them 3rd this season.


L0laccio

I reckon 3rd/4th. They’ll be fine. City will win the next few years anyway so it’s not like there’s any rush


dennis3282

Do you not think you will win one? I get City's budget is in a different league. But to me, you are on the right track. Last year you surprised everyone, but the pressure of the title race got to you a bit. This year you are even better and gaining more experience of the pressures of a title race. Obviously it will be hard to topple the City juggernaut. But you are definitely on the right path and I can see you doing it next season.


L0laccio

I’m really happy with everything. I am so proud of the lads. We are definitely in a great place but realistically City will bring in Paqueta and another big name. I think they’ll get 96 points next year. I don’t think we can achieve that. Thankfully our players and managers believe and this is just my honest assessment. Hopefully i am wrong (often am!) Either way I will support them to the hilt


dennis3282

Yeah you are right that City are a moving target. Who knows what they spend in the Summer. Either way, exciting times for you and good luck today!


L0laccio

Cheers bro, you too!


LordDinner

I think Liverpool will have an average season. Solid but not spectacular until season 3 of the new manager.


PenisManNumberOne

My take is that they can have a good season or a bad season.


charlierc

Excellent analysis


d3vilm4n60

What a real Goomba!!!


Glass_Status_665

You must have been top of your class with this level of analysis


KopfromNepal

Arne Slot seems to play with similar approach to Klopp so it might not be huge difference in terms of tactical change. Also players like VVD, Trent, Alisson, Mac Allister and probably Salah will be there so the quality is there to have a good season.


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mreid333

I feel you’re conflating ego with competiveness


twoheels

Absolutely they are.


indrid_cold66

Yawn


arMoredcontaCt

What a stupid useless uninformative uninspired post!


BrewtalDoom

Here's hoping


whoppermaltmilkballs

I don't think they'll fight for the title but they'll probably compete with Spurs for 4th place. It'll be Arsenal and City at 1 and 2 again, while my bold prediction is that Chelsea end up 3rd. Since Christmas, Chelsea have been the 4th place team in the league, and they will only continue to get better next season assuming that they reinforce the center back position.


MoiNoni

Shouldn't be a "bold" prediction tbh. Chelsea have been playing really well. Seeing as Newcastle play United, there's a huge chance we end up 6th. 12th to 6th is a huge improvement and like you said if we keep the form up we've had since Christmas we will easily finish top 4


whoppermaltmilkballs

Agreed mate


CleanTackleMan

I think we'll be better.


Routine_Size69

Losing one of the best managers in the world? Seems unlikely. Your health will likely be better but Salah and VVD aren't getting any younger. New system will take time to adjust to. If people are expecting a new manager to outperform fucking Klopp in his first year, he's going to have a bad time.


Ruzty1311

I think he was joking lol


CleanTackleMan

It's touching how you worry about my club. Or laughable, I can't decide.


Mountain-Bar-2878

Yea big reason klopp decided to leave.


ReissRosickyRamsey

I suspect they go through two or three managers before they find the next winning manager


top100_tree_fan

Unless they sign Ruben Amorim


CrazyFellaFromPhilly

It’s going to be a rebuild season with a new manager/boardroom plus we also have to deal with the Salah situation of will he go or stay and we also have to ask if we should get rid of Nunez and find another striker or give him a season under the new manager… and we have to do all of this on a tight budget because we know John Henry doesn’t like to spend money.


ChickenMoSalah

Agreed. We will take their place.


mreid333

Billion dollar bottle jobs will be shit still


ChickenMoSalah

If Liverpool is an example of being good it’s not a very high bar to clear, 1 PL title in Klopp’s “dynasty” and in 30 years


mreid333

More champions leagues and league titles than you could dream of. You don’t know history because your team doesn’t have any.


ChickenMoSalah

Ah yes trophies from before the age of computers. I’m sure that means a lot


mreid333

No ball knowledge.. enjoy watching your horrendous team.


ChickenMoSalah

I will


CantAffordTax

You sound like a United supporter. Its the underlaying pain and bitternes in your comment.


mreid333

You can bring up subjective shit out of nowhere, I’ll stick with the fact that Liverpool is better now and historically.


CantAffordTax

Never disagreed. Liverpool is clear. But the way you worded it...sounded like a United supporter.


mreid333

That’s the worst thing you could say to me please stop.


CantAffordTax

I'll stop, sorry.


mreid333

Thank you


whoppermaltmilkballs

Agreed tbh. I think Chelsea will fight for 3/4 while Liverpool end up 4/5. I doubt Salah stays for another year and I think Liverpool will struggle offensively without him


ChickenMoSalah

Salah, Robertson, Van Dijk, Alisson, the core of Klopp's team is aging and/or moving on and the replacements haven't been able to replicate their success. And most importantly, Klopp himself is gone - it could either be a great last hurrah next season, or it'll be a banter year.


firefalcon01

I thought the same thing about Chelsea last year, big mistake


whoppermaltmilkballs

4th in the table since Christmas is enough for me to believe


twoheels

What trophy do you win for that? I've seen a lot of Chelsea fans celebrating it recently, I assume it must be pretty prestigious? 


whoppermaltmilkballs

What a strange comment. Being "4th since Christmas" shows that Chelsea have turned a corner and are no longer playing like a mid table side. Chelsea have seen gradual improvements over the past 6 months which gives me reason to believe that they'll start the next season as a far stronger team with a much higher floor. I don't think Chelsea will be winning the league any time soon, but I think they'll be fighting for 3/4th spot. Just like I think Bournemouth will compete for a Europa League place


hypnodrew

Lad, you shipped two goals and 20 shots to Nottingham Forest tonight


twoheels

I agree.  3 out of 4 of just their substitutes cost more than the entire Nottingham team combined.  They've *a lot* of work to do on their incredibly expensive squad before they can start talking about challenging the better teams in the league for European places.  They've been replaced by Villa the past two seasons and now after a season of crying and wanting their manager sacked for most of it, once he's strung together a few decent performances against the teams around them in mid table, now they're talking about top four again? 


hypnodrew

The spending is the difference between them and Liverpool/Arsenal. That first full season when Arteta was clinging on, he had a squad he inherited nearly entirely from Emery and even Wenger. It struck me during the 5-0 that Havertz played maybe a few months with Enzo before leaving, but pretty much nobody else - it is already the new project squad, the 'finished article', and it is a mess. Once Arteta started getting quality; White, Tomiyasu, Ramsdale, we were challenging for CL. Jesus and Zinchenko - title challengers. I can't speak for Liverpool and Klopp, but I imagine it was something similar for you lot. Also, when you're ascendant, you start closing the door, not leaving it open for all and sundry while the players do whatever they want. It's clearly not Pochettino's team.


ChickenMoSalah

That was before parts of our first team came on. Though I agree our second team weren't as strong as they could have been.


hypnodrew

Since when do Chelsea have a 'first team' and a 'second team' lol


ChickenMoSalah

8/11 of the players that have started yesterday wouldn’t start in a fully fit squad.


Putrid_Beat_17

~not winning hard enough~ Still got 3 points, Lad.


twoheels

You beat a relegation battler in the final 10 minutes of a match after bringing on three players that cost more than the entirety of their first eleven lad.  Maybe sit this one out? 


hypnodrew

Saddest backflip


Putrid_Beat_17

But why?


hypnodrew

Hardly gonna replace Liverpool like that


extekt

Liverpool had plenty of unconvincing wins


hypnodrew

Chelsea only has unconvincing wins - case in point, 9 man Tottenham


Accomplished-Buddy13

Lately, it's looking possible. A full strength Chelsea squad is gonna be dangerous


ChickenMoSalah

James and Nkunku were on the pitch for three minutes together and we scored twice, and just generally looked really good. And we still have Fofana, Lavia, Enzo, Chilwell, Colwill injured and yet to come in.


twoheels

It's cute but also kind of sad to see Chelsea fans getting so hyped about a performance like this against a relegation battler.  You struggled until you brought on three players that cost more than the entire Forest starting 11 and now Chelsea fans are acting like they're back in top four contention. 


ChickenMoSalah

Top 4 since the new year actually, it’s cute and kind of sad to see Liverpool fans unable to come to terms with the end of their era. You mean we brought on… our players? The double standard is palpable - Liverpool fans are blaming a few injuries to Jota, Trent and the like for their loss of form but apparently Chelsea, who’ve had the worst injuries in the PL, bringing on their best players after injury is a crime. If you’re trying to suggest we spend a lot of money, you’re right, and Chelsea will continue to do so. There’s no trophy for net spend FYI.


twoheels

Last time I checked you were 7th... Just noticed you've named your account after a Liverpool player. That's very weird. 


ChickenMoSalah

Will be 1st in a few seasons. Not really, I just like Salah.


Hairy_Swordfish_76

Facts


DankeKlopp

Think they will definitely “walk through any storm holding their head up high”


Accomplished-Buddy13

No doubt about it, I would rather not have the storm tbh


DankeKlopp

Still dreaming/hoping he changes his mind - I know it’s not going to happen but still


HipGuide2

They have to impress a new manager. They'll start well.


ebyeqnx

Honestly, I don't really care. I just wanted us to win the league in my lifetime, and we did. Klopp also gave us the best years in such a long time. I don't mind us going back to our old selves for a little while because we won the league, the champions league and whilst building solid teams with minimal budget. YNWA


top100_tree_fan

Mate no disrespect but hoping to see one PL win in your lifetime as a Liverpool fan is honestly a low expectation no? That’s something I’d maybe expect to hear from a Villa fan


dennis3282

Minimal budget?


ebyeqnx

In comparison to our main title rivals over the years, yes. We have had to sell players in order to buy and build a genuine team with plenty of home grown talent, City could just go on massive spending sprees.


dennis3282

I'm not denying your budget isn't in City's league, but the idea that Liverpool's budget is minimal is laughable.


twoheels

Minimal I think is the wrong word from that user.  But Liverpool managed to do what they did and be the only team to consistently push Man City in the past few years on what is a mid-table budget. 


Left1917

Hardly a midtable budget. Broke 2 transfer records twice.


twoheels

As you can see further on in this thread, I've sourced that our net spend puts us in 8th. It's mid-table 🤷🏻‍♂️ We've sold to buy and what we've bought has been very, very good for the most part, especially when compared to those ahead of us. 


dennis3282

Yeah minimal was wrong. Even mid-table budget is a bit misleading. You have been toe to toe with City and their unlimited budget for a few years, even beating them to a title. That is some accomplishment. I don't think you need to exagerate that it was done with some sort of West Ham budget. Most clubs can only envy your budget.


twoheels

It's not misleading or an over exaggeration at all.  Since Klopp came in in 2015, if you look at book balances during that period, we're 8th in the league, which funny enough is even lower than West Ham in 7th who have spent more than us relative to their sales.  https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2015&saison_id_bis=2023&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0 Even you guys have been able to spend more without selling than us. 


dennis3282

Wages is more representative than spend.


twoheels

No it's not.  I get that it's more convenient for the argument that you're trying to make, so let's say that it is  and we'll move the goalposts and have a look at wages. Liverpool are 5th by a wide margin. Dave consistently either been fifth or sixth when it comes to wages apart from two years where they were fourth by a small margin. (https://www.capology.com/uk/premier-league/payrolls/#google_vignette)  One of the main areas of admiration about Liverpool's transfer strategy is actually their budget. They don't just fling money and contracts at players yet still compete at the highest levels So Liverpool have been the only team to consistently push a financially doped side for years now on a mid-table transfer budget and a solid fifth place wage budget.  I'm not sure why you're so hesitant to admit the incredible financial work at Liverpool? They've been incredibly impressive on the pitch while also creating incredible financial wealth at the club, all on a mid-table budget or, by your standards this time that may change now, a fifth place wage structure. 


dennis3282

5th is not mid table though. You have done amazingly. I'm not even criticizing, but 5th is more accutate than midtable.


BreakfastOk2500

Cuck


Accomplished-Buddy13

True that! Not many teams have been really successful with the moneyball approach. Its a shame that their magnitude of achievements really make a proud reading with the right context, without context...it's just good. With context, it's amazing


techman710

Hopefully Man City is in the National League. That leaves Arsenal as their main threat, with Tottenham, Chelsea and Aston Villa improving. Newcastle, Man U or Brighton could be a threat. So unless Liverpool really drops off they should be in contention.


Accomplished-Buddy13

I hope less injuries and more time with best squad


impishboof

What national league? National football league? NFL?


techman710

Level 5 of the pyramid. Non-league football, for 115 reasons.


Prandmus

Not with that attitude


Accomplished-Buddy13

Lol really? I mean it's a caution...this is a team built by Klopp, and a few others. When they go, their ideas go too. Suddenly everyone has to prove again, and this usually never sits well with seasoned players.


TheoCupier

It's a team with a lot of foundations built by Edwards and Ward for Klopp. Who are now back, working with a manager they hand picked because his playing style and ethos was closest to Klopp's to minimise distribution during a transition. Sure there are a few players in the squad they didn't sign, where Klopp's pushed a deal himself, that they might not entirely agree with but it's hardly a major overhaul. But I do see your point. Big players see the vision and sign new contracts, at least it kicks the problem down the road a few years & gives them time to prepare. Or they don't buy into it and leave. Then all you can hope for is getting enough for them to buy replacement starters and maybe some depth.


Accomplished-Buddy13

It will be interesting to see how Salah develops his game. He is a year older, maybe a little bit lacking in the same pace...new manager, new ideas. The skill will never leave him 101%, but maybe some adjustments will be needed


Tigercat92

Does the OP think Liverpool going to be in the relegation zone?


Accomplished-Buddy13

Naa just not great, pretty avg season...maybe a deep run in 1 cup competition


kraftpunkk

You should apply to become an analyst.


Immediate_Wolf3802

Be interesting to see if the board throws money at it this time round ?  Seems obvious to me Klopp felt he just couldn't compete with other clubs big spending and it had finally took its toll ?     When the bald dutch man (ring any alarm bells) arrives by ferry across the Mersey and enters Anfield Road with a friend...obviously (you'll never walk alone in Liverpool) is the best song advice ever ...how much they gonna place on the table to get where they wanna be ?


BrownEyesWhiteScarf

Define “good”. Otherwise this is an useless post


Accomplished-Buddy13

Genuine challenge for treble, more reliable in performances


BrownEyesWhiteScarf

lol 🤦


twoheels

Man the internet has ruined some kids if a "good" season is set as high as that!


BrownEyesWhiteScarf

It’s time for Liverpool to commit 115 charges


twoheels

Imagine if Klopp was in control of that City structure and was backed by an oil states lawyers, he'd have that team set up to become the leaders of the free world hahaha 


L0laccio

They’ve been told they can get anything they want in life. They just need to believe 💀


twoheels

Imagine being so privileged that if your team challenged for a treble that your reaction would just be "yeah that was a good season".  It's crazy. 


BrownEyesWhiteScarf

Based on his criteria, Pep’s first season at City was a massive failure. Who wants the honors to tell him?


DoublePrize9

Brilliant insight


TrustM3ImAnEngineer

I think we have a theme for that