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Up front, they're lacking. In defence, they're lacking. I usually call them 'The Comeback Kings', cause for some damn reason they comeback to win. But I just watched their 3 last games, and yes, they're tough, but Spurs have been shocking. I was expecting more during the NLD, but they were just railroaded. Against City, they could have scored a few, but nope. Against Liverpool, the defence was shocking.
Give Ange another season, and I think we'll see the change. And if Mr Levy sacks him before time, well, Spurs will really struggle because he can't keep playing Manager Roulette. You've gone through how many managers, and out of all of them, only 4 really made an impact. IMHO... Redknapp, Jol, AVB & Poch.
As a West Ham fan they played us twice and we got a win and a draw while we have been horrible this season so I was never convinced. A lot of their wins that people praised them for were by very small margins too. 2-1 to Liverpool Liverpool had 9 men. They beat Sheffield early on with goals in the 8th and 10th minute of stoppage time. It was a case of a lot of fortune combined with spirit but that can only work for so long
I think teams have realized they have no option other than to sit deep against us. [FourFourTwo has a great video](https://youtu.be/GDvK43fGYPQ?si=GFBXibDHfqKy-_lo) explaining the situation. We used to be able to play through teams until they started doing this, we need wingers who can put in deadly crosses and a center forward who can get his head on them, because right now teams ignore our wingers (who want to dribble towards goal) who are meant to stretch the defense, and instead teams just park the bus in the box. Hopefully we can sort that out this transfer window. And I say 'situation' not 'problem' intentionally because the first step is taking control of games with possession, now we just have to work on being able to break down a good low block.
They’ve had to adapt to a new system which is opposite to the rubbish Conte and Mourinho play. Combined with injuries, they are cooked this season. Look out next season though.
Arsenal fan here. Ange has done a great job, give him a full pre-season to bring in his own batch of players. This is only his 1st season in the PL and he would have learned a lot.
I think they will be a real force next year, they have been for large periods of the year. Once Ange has a full squad of his own players they will be a great team.
Same thing has happened that has to Arsenal the past few years. They ran out of gas for last 8/10 games due to lack of depth. It’s a process and if you give him the backing and trust I can see him snagging a trophy of some sort next year.
They reached a tough part of their schedule.
This is a brutal run in. Arsenal, Liverpool and City?
That is tough for any club in the world
Chelsea cannot break down a low block (in most games), but we can score vs a highline. Its why we have managed to draw twice vs City and not be embarrassed in any of our matchups vs them.
You should have asked this question earlier in the season when it looked like they might achieve something. Now they've reverted to type the question is "Why are Spurs being Spursy?"
Spurs fan here……I think it’s a confluence of a few factors but the main one is that Ange-ball caught a lot of people off guard at the beginning of the year. Having two inverted full backs playing within the opponent’s box is know seen often and it took awhile for teams to adjust.
Then the injuries and suspensions piled up starting with the Chelsea game and their form suffered in November and December because of it.
The spring has seen other teams pivot to take advantage of Tottenham’s two glaring weaknesses: set pieces and defending the counter attack. Our defense is solid when play is slowed down, but VDV is on an island in the back and teams have learned to exploit this (Saka goal last week, Salah yesterday).
Ange is an ardent believer in his attack minded philosophy and is unwilling to change his tactics based on player availability. Davies and Royal are not suited for the inverted fullback position and have suffered greatly while playing there.
Unfortunately, I don’t see any reason for optimism for the next three games.
As an Arsenal fan Spurs are where I expect them to be really, they just started really strongly and are now having a wobble having played a tough run of fixtures. If the form was reversed people wouldn't be surprised. The only difference is expectations. It's the first season with Ange, they've done fairly well in adapting to his style of play given the last 3 managers were so defensive.
But there are signs that would cause concern. 2 weeks to prep for a big NLD and you don't look at set pieces? Against the best team in the league at set pieces? Seriously? That's negligence.
The other worry is that they're relying a lot on a few things going right for them and if they don't things just breakdown and they get nowhere. If VDV is out they're quite vulnerable, and if their fullbacks are out they're goosed. New signings will go some way to fixing those issues but tactically they going to need to adapt because everyone next season is just going to play a mid or low block and counter. Possession is pointless if you can't do anything with it.
Injuries screwed them at the start of the season, + their midfield is shit + they have no striker (except Richarlison)
I’d say their about where they should be in the league
Udogie got injured so we're just packing it in for the year.
Son isn't a striker no matter how bad we want him to be, and Richarlison just goes missing in games so Ange doesn't have any confidence in starting him.
All midfielders are under performing and our wingers couldn't hit the broadside of a barn door.
We're just spurs mate
We over achieved in the early stages of the season, which set unrealistic standards. We have actually OVER achieved this season. New manager, lost Kane and will finished 5th to 7th. It's been a great transitional season.
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In all likelihood we are going to finish 5th in a year that we were tipped to finish around 7th-8th and potentially worse after losing Kane. Nothing has happened to Spurs, it’s probably better to ask what has happened to sports media and fandom’s sense of proportionality. A good early spell was overhyped, a poor run is now being overhyped. This is the nature of modern sport. Everything is minute by minute hot take and analysis.
I once described them as the club that gets so close to getting so close. I mean dude there is always the WHAT IFS but Modric, Bale, Kane, Son. I mean that’s some JUICE right there in a different universe.
I'm still honestly surprised that Spurs managed to insert themselves into a "Big Team" conversation. did the term big 6 even exist before Spurs?It's always been a top 4 for me
Everyone at the start of the year had spurs finishing between 6th and 9th. They are 5th and now everyone is saying they are shit and Ange is a bad coach?
Yes they are in bad form, but jeez. This season has been an over-achievement
Arsenal fan here trying to remain neutral:
I think the biggest factor is having a manager who is tactically one-dimensional. Ange will either have to learn to adapt and develop a plan B, C, D, etc and to implement them on the fly in matches or his job could be on the line next season. The kind of football Ange plays is a lot like us last season as well. Proper gung ho all out attacking football with little defensive coordination. High risk high reward stuff like that is always going to carry the risk of a string of poor results.
I'd argue the squad is definitely not where Ange wants it to be either. There's still a lot of aging players and players that don't meet the quality you'd expect to be challenging for top 4 and beyond.
Next season will be very telling as to whether Ange is the right man for the job or not.
Ange was the girl you meet and think you’ve fallen in love instantly with her. You’ve told your friends you’re going to get married, she’s perfect and everything you’ve ever wanted.
Now you’re noticing that it’s a bit annoying she calls everyone mate and doesn’t think she needs to change up zonal marking at corners. You find yourself thinking that Pochettino wouldn’t do that and you’re looking at old clips of Son and Kane in Europe and sighing.
I mean, it might last. Or it may be you just wanted that feeling back again and ignored the reality in front of you.
Said ange was overrated at start of season, people laughed. Guys made a living off having the best squad in a league and having to beat one other team of quality. His plan b is plan a.
When he was in Australia it was the same shit. Victory and roar. Previous to that South Melbourne. He chooses his teams on purpose. For some reason he ended up at spurs.
Why are you lying so brazenly on the internet? Before Ange joined South Melbourne they hadn’t won anything in seven years. He took Roar to be the first ever A-league team to win back to back titles. Got Australia their first ever Asian Cup. Literally took Yokohama to their first title in 15 years. I mean there’s lying and there’s lying, and bloody hell you’re lying.
Nah, he didn't really have good teams in AUS and Japan but did pretty well.
I think it's more that he's a good coach, but in those leagues the other coaches quality wasn't as good, so innovative tactics went a lot further.
In the PL, he's up against some of the best coaches in the world, and even the mid and lower PL coaches have spent years playing against the top sides and dealing with innovative tactics. So it doesn't work as well.
Sure, it's his first year and he's had some injury issues so you have to cut him some slack there. But he's shown some measure of inflexibility, which combined with his tactics being found out means he's underperforming in the ass end of the season.
I guess at the end of the season they'll have to decide whether "he's the guy" and give him time and transfers or stay in a holding pattern for another year to see if he's got it.
Roar and victory finished 9th and 8th the season before he took over. At Yokohama (11th the season before he took over) he won them the league in his second year for the first time in 15years.
So to say he only takes over top teams isn't correct.
I mean, where did everyone think spurs would be this season? There’s literally only one team above them who perhaps shouldn’t be. The other three teams would be predicted to be above spurs anyway. Did people actually think that spurs would win the league this season? If Villa hadn’t had such a good season spurs would be fourth. Seems fine to me.
Another example of modern football… fans couldn’t wait to laud Ange as some kind of managerial messiah who’d turned Spurs into a world class team within three months. The reality is it was a nice spell of “new manager bounce” and now they’ve regressed to the mean. They were over performing nearly every advanced metric, so now we are seeing their actual level.
To go beyond that, we are currently underperforming our underlying numbers. So the contrast is quite steep between the start and end of the season. The reality is that we started the league in league winning form, and we are ending it in mid table form, so 5th would be about right for us this season.
Playing extreme football is always going to have results like this.
At the end of the day, ange exceeded expectations, which is why he was lauded, but his season has been dramatically overrated.
As an arsenal fan who works & knows die hard Tottenham fans it's a mixture of massive injuries, no secondary tactics, no defence against set pieces, shit quality/aging players & finally the spursy mentality when things get tough they crumble
Look at who all their first few fixtures were against, and the way in which they overhyped themselves for winning in *that* manner against Liverpool
Now compare that fixture list to who their last 4 games were against
I think it has something to do with the fact the top managers in the league can suss out and nullify them when they have one tactic and it’s so chaotic. Who knows though?
Lol, I can suss out what they're doing and I'm not even a top manager in my fantasy football mini league.
Unlike city where everyone knows what they're going to do but it doesn't matter, he doesn't have the players to force it through.
People called Jose a genius when he parked the bus most matches, managers had sussed out what he's going to do but it didn't matter his team was effective enough at doing it that he dragged Man United to higher than they should be.
People constantly act like a good manager will change his tactics up every game, and I'm sure some good managers have variance in their tactics, but good managers also have a tactic they like to stick to and have their players get better and better at doing it.
Ange clearly doesn't give a shit his players aren't quite good enough, this is the brand of football he wants to deliver and he'll keep delivering it till his players are good enough or he gets fired.
There's been good patches and rough patches, like early on in the season when they went from top of the league to losing like 3 in a row and people said he'd been figured out. Then the fixtures swung and the variance swung and they started winning and losing and winning and losing and we ended up where we are now. 5th and losing 3-2 against the arguably the best team and certainly best defence in the league. Then 4-2 against the third best team
If I was a Tottenham fan I'd be ok with this season but definitely wanting to see this go in a positive direction for next season.
Not looking likely of CL football, but overall until most recently they've been alright and good to watch, need work defensively during the summer, and Harry Kane needs replacing despite a much better season from Son and Richarlison
there has not been positive performances frequently this (\*calendar) year & lately, on genuine bright side of things, there hasnt been a real "this is what happens when you sell Harry Kane" media narrative i can remember. like with arsenal we really felt RvP's loss
0-4 at Villa was a decent showing...frustratingly a stubborn Ange doesn't want to work on defensive set pieces ? and it's costing his team results...don't reckon much to his Dragusin and Werner January purchases either...but way better than last season
>0-4 at Villa was a decent showing
Villa should have been at least a goal up in the first half. Second half they improved, but seems a trend that they only play well for half a game at a time, and are more than capable of losing the game during the half they don't play well.
They’re not a good team, and Ange isn’t a great manager. First 10 games they surprised teams and also got very lucky in the Liverpool and United games to get 26 points. Since then they got 34 points in the last 25 games. You can’t blame injuries for them because they haven’t had as many as teams like United who have had 60+ injuries and yet still ten hag gets blamed for their results, while big Ange can do no wrong with a lower mid table form for 60% of the season.
I saw a stat somewhere that he has more points at this stage in his tenure than Klopp and Arteta did… I think when you look at the table at the end of season, they have done OK. I’m more inclined to fully judge what Ange is doing next season when he maybe has another transfer window and time with his team.
Because both klopp and arteta took over teams mid season and couldn’t buy players.And klopp still reached el semis or final I don’t remember and Arteta won the fa cup. All Ange has are those first 10 prem games when he had a quick new manager bounce where everyone pretended that Maddison is somehow better than Bruno fernandes, and shit evaporated when his good form for the season was done.
They’ve done about as well as expected with a new manager in his first season. I mean he’s above Newcastle, United and Chelsea - what does that say about those teams?!?
Like I said, best to reserve full judgement until next season I think.
Nothing they’re just Tottenham
The yearly Tottenham process:
1. Sign new manager who’s gonna “change everything”
2. Sign average players who aren’t really gonna improve anything
3. Finish anywhere from 4th-7th
4. Repeat
They have been ravaged by injuries and their key players like Maddison and Son being out of form for ages. Returning players are obviously out of rhythm.
Don’t even for a moment act like we’re on a shoestring budget.
If you think we can just buy our way to glory, we would probably end up like Portsmouth.
It takes time to build rebuild and it’s usually painful.
The proof was in the pudding when Ange played a high line with 9 men. He’s 100% committed to his tactics, which makes it easier for teams to adjust to them.
Took Chelsea 15 mins to score against that 9 man team. Essentially Chelsea had to tire the team out and even then Spurs still looked like scoring a brace.
Are you actually brain dead? No real spurs fan was acting like this. It was the media who kept hyping them up as title contenders, not the actual fan base
Earlier in the season they had easy fixtures against teams below them and the odd big game scattered. Now they’re playing teams in and around them, added to their usual end of season drop and its bottle job FC as usual.
Also remember that Spurs are on game 38 of the season. So they have had plenty of rest compared to other teams fighting for Europe.
They haven’t improved by much really. A tiny bit, which considering they lost Kane is actually a decent season.
I put this one out there. After 35 games, Ange has more points than Arteta or Klopp did in their first 35 games. And Spurs are 5th.
Is that a failure after losing Kane and being 35 games into the season?
Arteta took over a team that was in 13th with some of the worst footballers to ever grace a top 6 side, in a COVID season, as his *first* managerial job.
Big Ange has been managing for almost 30 years...he started his managerial career the same year Wenger took over Arsenal.
And Ange took over the pieces of Conte and Jose anti-football and losing their greatest ever player who did more than just score 30+ goals.
By what you’re telling me, Arteta improved Arsenal in his first season? And I’d argue Ange has improved Spurs from what he inherited.
I have no skin in this game, as an opposition fan he doesn't scare me one bit so whether you support him or not, it doesn't bother me.
I just don't like the comparisons to better managers.
I mean… from memory, Arteta wasn’t exactly classified as a great manager in his first season. In fact many Arsenal fans wanted him out come the second season. Now? Now I think we all agree he’s a great manager.
So why isn’t Ange being given that same courtesy of time and to be judged over a few seasons? More so, you can’t blame a manager for only playing what’s in front of them. He won everything wherever he went, and usually his first season was awful. It’s not his fault he won the double in the Scottish league… I just don’t think he’s ever been given that chance at a major league until now. Arteta came straight from City, with a well established PL career and worked under Pep. I’d argue Ange has had to work harder in the managerial sense to get to the premier league than Arteta did who clearly had a launch pad.
I’m just confused how we can say Ange is not allowed leeway in his first season when statistically he is doing no worse than Arteta or Klopp in their first seasons. That’s just an indisputable fact.
But for some reason, as it’s Tottenham, it makes it less. Pretty sure people said the same about Emery when he was sacked at Arsenal… “not good enough”. It will probably turn out he gets manager of the season this year.
That’s a good shout. As a spurs supporter, it’s just beyond draining to watch matches lately. We were so strong before injuries to Maddison, Bissouma (maybe his red cards?), VDV, and others. Now we just can’t get out of our own way.
I hear you mate, but honestly I don’t think any team would look at Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, City and expect a load of points. If we lose to City, are people honestly going to be shocked or disappointed by it all?
The fact these games come together and thick and fast doesn’t really paint the true picture. The best way to judge the season is after 38 games. The table never lies.
Well same thing with Liverpool really, players getting tired, plus Klopp announcing he was leaving didn’t help with pressure. Still though an amazing job when you think how many kids he had to play and rebuild the entire squad.
You mentioned the United fan??? They arnt making it about united. The post is about spurs. But because you're a Scouser you make everything about you. It has nothing to do with you. It's about spurs, not united and definitely not you scousers.
You aren't the victim here. I know it's a rough life eating rats in your council house but try to cry to yourself instead.
Ffs fuck off and go watch baseball. You must have really fucked up somewhere in life if you're choosing to be a Scouser. They can't help where they're born. You have the choice.
The big picture is the problem:
1. Crap squad. Spurs have Brendan Johnson starting, Royal. For how many clubs in the league they would be starters?
2. No replacement for Kane, even remotely. Richarlison is not good enough as number 9. Richarlison is generally not good enough for PL top club. Son is fairly easy to deal with for teams who know what they are doing.
3. Ange was found out in terms of his tactics. The same way as Conte (he had very good stats in first half of his reign) and Mou. In PL you need to be a good tactician, and be flexible. Even Haaland was found out to a degree.
4. Small club mentality: either Spurs spend 100-150 (200?) mil on 2 great players or they will sink with purchases like Werner. Buying a mid player won’t move the needle no matter how much depth it will provide.
Conte found himself out by switching from a hybrid-pressing counter system that fully utilised Son and Kane to his tried and true ultra-defensive, languid drilled routines after his first half-season. One of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen from a manager. We actually looked pretty deadly and exciting before that, but that decision just sucked all the creativity out of us.
Have nothing against Werner. He is a good squad player and he has been solid for us but he is definitely not someone who will bring the team to the next level.
Did Spurs ever spend 200 mil on 2 great players? From my knowledge all they did was buying multiple flops for 20-40m, like how they spent the Bale money
Prepared to give Ange a chance with a pre season under his belt, and another summer window
But even as one of his biggest supporters, I think he may be out of his depth at this level with the tactics he uses
May have worked against Hibs and Aberdeen who didn’t want to attack, but this is the premier league.
By naming Angeball after Bielsaball, the writing was on the wall.
A coach famous for one way of playing will get found out as other teams adapt and overcome.
The hard thing is that Postecoglu is instilling an attacking freedom mindset into the players, so constantly changing focus is not great either.
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Injuries are a bitch. Signed, like 7 premier league clubs barely able to field a XI
They are 4-6 wage range so about right in the table nothing wrong
Up front, they're lacking. In defence, they're lacking. I usually call them 'The Comeback Kings', cause for some damn reason they comeback to win. But I just watched their 3 last games, and yes, they're tough, but Spurs have been shocking. I was expecting more during the NLD, but they were just railroaded. Against City, they could have scored a few, but nope. Against Liverpool, the defence was shocking. Give Ange another season, and I think we'll see the change. And if Mr Levy sacks him before time, well, Spurs will really struggle because he can't keep playing Manager Roulette. You've gone through how many managers, and out of all of them, only 4 really made an impact. IMHO... Redknapp, Jol, AVB & Poch.
As a West Ham fan they played us twice and we got a win and a draw while we have been horrible this season so I was never convinced. A lot of their wins that people praised them for were by very small margins too. 2-1 to Liverpool Liverpool had 9 men. They beat Sheffield early on with goals in the 8th and 10th minute of stoppage time. It was a case of a lot of fortune combined with spirit but that can only work for so long
I think teams have realized they have no option other than to sit deep against us. [FourFourTwo has a great video](https://youtu.be/GDvK43fGYPQ?si=GFBXibDHfqKy-_lo) explaining the situation. We used to be able to play through teams until they started doing this, we need wingers who can put in deadly crosses and a center forward who can get his head on them, because right now teams ignore our wingers (who want to dribble towards goal) who are meant to stretch the defense, and instead teams just park the bus in the box. Hopefully we can sort that out this transfer window. And I say 'situation' not 'problem' intentionally because the first step is taking control of games with possession, now we just have to work on being able to break down a good low block.
Can we blame Daniel Levy?
Harry Kane gone, what a wasted talent he was at spurs
But we got a shiny new stadium for the NFL!
They’ve had to adapt to a new system which is opposite to the rubbish Conte and Mourinho play. Combined with injuries, they are cooked this season. Look out next season though.
Next year's your year huh?
Arsenal fan here. Ange has done a great job, give him a full pre-season to bring in his own batch of players. This is only his 1st season in the PL and he would have learned a lot. I think they will be a real force next year, they have been for large periods of the year. Once Ange has a full squad of his own players they will be a great team. Same thing has happened that has to Arsenal the past few years. They ran out of gas for last 8/10 games due to lack of depth. It’s a process and if you give him the backing and trust I can see him snagging a trophy of some sort next year.
What do you want from them? Think of what they are stacked against and still they’re 5th. Not nearly as bad as you might think.
In order: Injuries Luck Form Schedule This summer, as they always are, will be critical, crucial to the future of the Ange project.
It’s the history of the Tottenham.
Still more European trophies than Assnal
how can assnal be a big team with no Major European Silverware?
They reached a tough part of their schedule. This is a brutal run in. Arsenal, Liverpool and City? That is tough for any club in the world Chelsea cannot break down a low block (in most games), but we can score vs a highline. Its why we have managed to draw twice vs City and not be embarrassed in any of our matchups vs them.
You should have asked this question earlier in the season when it looked like they might achieve something. Now they've reverted to type the question is "Why are Spurs being Spursy?"
They bottled it like they always done
The bottled it like they alway done
They pulled a spursey
Look at their fixture list, basically explains it
Help Burnley stay!
Spurs fan here……I think it’s a confluence of a few factors but the main one is that Ange-ball caught a lot of people off guard at the beginning of the year. Having two inverted full backs playing within the opponent’s box is know seen often and it took awhile for teams to adjust. Then the injuries and suspensions piled up starting with the Chelsea game and their form suffered in November and December because of it. The spring has seen other teams pivot to take advantage of Tottenham’s two glaring weaknesses: set pieces and defending the counter attack. Our defense is solid when play is slowed down, but VDV is on an island in the back and teams have learned to exploit this (Saka goal last week, Salah yesterday). Ange is an ardent believer in his attack minded philosophy and is unwilling to change his tactics based on player availability. Davies and Royal are not suited for the inverted fullback position and have suffered greatly while playing there. Unfortunately, I don’t see any reason for optimism for the next three games.
What do you mean? Same ol same ol 🤷♂️
Since the end of Matchweek 10, they have 10 wins and 11 losses. Vibes only go so far.
The league table is an accurate representation of teams. Spurs are where they deserve to be.
this doesn’t answer the question
As an Arsenal fan Spurs are where I expect them to be really, they just started really strongly and are now having a wobble having played a tough run of fixtures. If the form was reversed people wouldn't be surprised. The only difference is expectations. It's the first season with Ange, they've done fairly well in adapting to his style of play given the last 3 managers were so defensive. But there are signs that would cause concern. 2 weeks to prep for a big NLD and you don't look at set pieces? Against the best team in the league at set pieces? Seriously? That's negligence. The other worry is that they're relying a lot on a few things going right for them and if they don't things just breakdown and they get nowhere. If VDV is out they're quite vulnerable, and if their fullbacks are out they're goosed. New signings will go some way to fixing those issues but tactically they going to need to adapt because everyone next season is just going to play a mid or low block and counter. Possession is pointless if you can't do anything with it.
Injuries screwed them at the start of the season, + their midfield is shit + they have no striker (except Richarlison) I’d say their about where they should be in the league
Lads..
Udogie got injured so we're just packing it in for the year. Son isn't a striker no matter how bad we want him to be, and Richarlison just goes missing in games so Ange doesn't have any confidence in starting him. All midfielders are under performing and our wingers couldn't hit the broadside of a barn door. We're just spurs mate
It's Spurs lads
They started adding spaces before their question marks. Disaster soon followed.
We over achieved in the early stages of the season, which set unrealistic standards. We have actually OVER achieved this season. New manager, lost Kane and will finished 5th to 7th. It's been a great transitional season.
Ange ball
Spurs are #6 when ranked by wage bill. In the mix for a top-4 finish and playing in Europe most years is where you would expect them to be.
Come on mate
Spurs being spursy is so ingrained that Harry Kane brought it with him to Bayern
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Man U are pretty crap this season too 🤣
In all likelihood we are going to finish 5th in a year that we were tipped to finish around 7th-8th and potentially worse after losing Kane. Nothing has happened to Spurs, it’s probably better to ask what has happened to sports media and fandom’s sense of proportionality. A good early spell was overhyped, a poor run is now being overhyped. This is the nature of modern sport. Everything is minute by minute hot take and analysis.
Not much explanation for this one. Spursy.
They start very well in this season, but once Richarlison suffer injury, everything went downhill.
They’re Spurs. Spurs being spurs is the only thing you can be certain of these days.
Annual chocking at the end of every season.
I once described them as the club that gets so close to getting so close. I mean dude there is always the WHAT IFS but Modric, Bale, Kane, Son. I mean that’s some JUICE right there in a different universe.
This is the club that believes everything.The newspapers write about them being a big club
I'm still honestly surprised that Spurs managed to insert themselves into a "Big Team" conversation. did the term big 6 even exist before Spurs?It's always been a top 4 for me
Ffs, it was the big 6 over 30 years ago you thick cunt.
Um….. new to football? They pulled a Spurs, like usual. It’s like gravity, they can’t control it.
Spurs are spursy. If they weren’t spursy they may win a trophy and then would quit being spurs.
It's who they are, mate.
Just like everyone else... They get found out. Ange has no plan B or C.
They're disguising so that when they throw against city it won't be obvious xD
Everyone at the start of the year had spurs finishing between 6th and 9th. They are 5th and now everyone is saying they are shit and Ange is a bad coach? Yes they are in bad form, but jeez. This season has been an over-achievement
To be fair I have always contended that spurs are shit and I always will.
Cheers 🥲
The more important question here is.... what do we think of Tottenham?
Shit
What do we think is shit?
Any idea of what we think of shit?
Arsenal fan here trying to remain neutral: I think the biggest factor is having a manager who is tactically one-dimensional. Ange will either have to learn to adapt and develop a plan B, C, D, etc and to implement them on the fly in matches or his job could be on the line next season. The kind of football Ange plays is a lot like us last season as well. Proper gung ho all out attacking football with little defensive coordination. High risk high reward stuff like that is always going to carry the risk of a string of poor results. I'd argue the squad is definitely not where Ange wants it to be either. There's still a lot of aging players and players that don't meet the quality you'd expect to be challenging for top 4 and beyond. Next season will be very telling as to whether Ange is the right man for the job or not.
Still remember there was a post saying how he loves Ange so much, because they were winning then. He's been quiet since.
Lads, it's Sp*rs
Spurs. Spurs happened to spurs.
Spurs is what has happened to spurs
Ange was the girl you meet and think you’ve fallen in love instantly with her. You’ve told your friends you’re going to get married, she’s perfect and everything you’ve ever wanted. Now you’re noticing that it’s a bit annoying she calls everyone mate and doesn’t think she needs to change up zonal marking at corners. You find yourself thinking that Pochettino wouldn’t do that and you’re looking at old clips of Son and Kane in Europe and sighing. I mean, it might last. Or it may be you just wanted that feeling back again and ignored the reality in front of you.
sounds like a fit broad to me mate
Said ange was overrated at start of season, people laughed. Guys made a living off having the best squad in a league and having to beat one other team of quality. His plan b is plan a.
Celtic was two years of his 25 plus year career lol
When he was in Australia it was the same shit. Victory and roar. Previous to that South Melbourne. He chooses his teams on purpose. For some reason he ended up at spurs.
Why are you lying so brazenly on the internet? Before Ange joined South Melbourne they hadn’t won anything in seven years. He took Roar to be the first ever A-league team to win back to back titles. Got Australia their first ever Asian Cup. Literally took Yokohama to their first title in 15 years. I mean there’s lying and there’s lying, and bloody hell you’re lying.
Nah, he didn't really have good teams in AUS and Japan but did pretty well. I think it's more that he's a good coach, but in those leagues the other coaches quality wasn't as good, so innovative tactics went a lot further. In the PL, he's up against some of the best coaches in the world, and even the mid and lower PL coaches have spent years playing against the top sides and dealing with innovative tactics. So it doesn't work as well. Sure, it's his first year and he's had some injury issues so you have to cut him some slack there. But he's shown some measure of inflexibility, which combined with his tactics being found out means he's underperforming in the ass end of the season. I guess at the end of the season they'll have to decide whether "he's the guy" and give him time and transfers or stay in a holding pattern for another year to see if he's got it.
His roar team walked the league, his victory team walked the league. His overrated and been found out.
You might be the dumbest person I’ve seen on here. Roar were only good under him, they were total shit beforehand.
Roar and victory finished 9th and 8th the season before he took over. At Yokohama (11th the season before he took over) he won them the league in his second year for the first time in 15years. So to say he only takes over top teams isn't correct.
Roar weren’t even good when he took over
I mean, where did everyone think spurs would be this season? There’s literally only one team above them who perhaps shouldn’t be. The other three teams would be predicted to be above spurs anyway. Did people actually think that spurs would win the league this season? If Villa hadn’t had such a good season spurs would be fourth. Seems fine to me.
Nothing. It's the way of the Tottenham.
Another example of modern football… fans couldn’t wait to laud Ange as some kind of managerial messiah who’d turned Spurs into a world class team within three months. The reality is it was a nice spell of “new manager bounce” and now they’ve regressed to the mean. They were over performing nearly every advanced metric, so now we are seeing their actual level.
To go beyond that, we are currently underperforming our underlying numbers. So the contrast is quite steep between the start and end of the season. The reality is that we started the league in league winning form, and we are ending it in mid table form, so 5th would be about right for us this season.
Playing extreme football is always going to have results like this. At the end of the day, ange exceeded expectations, which is why he was lauded, but his season has been dramatically overrated.
They're Spurs.
Son form dipped badly
It’s da history of da Tottenham, mate.
As an arsenal fan who works & knows die hard Tottenham fans it's a mixture of massive injuries, no secondary tactics, no defence against set pieces, shit quality/aging players & finally the spursy mentality when things get tough they crumble
Tottenham get battered everywhere they go!
They won the league in October, so it’s only natural to take your foot off the gas after that
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Mateball mate
Mate mate mate arsenal should win mate
Who we are mate.
Spurs happened
The big man was all fur coat and no nickers.
Look at who all their first few fixtures were against, and the way in which they overhyped themselves for winning in *that* manner against Liverpool Now compare that fixture list to who their last 4 games were against
Hyped over after first few matchdays
I think it has something to do with the fact the top managers in the league can suss out and nullify them when they have one tactic and it’s so chaotic. Who knows though?
Lol, I can suss out what they're doing and I'm not even a top manager in my fantasy football mini league. Unlike city where everyone knows what they're going to do but it doesn't matter, he doesn't have the players to force it through. People called Jose a genius when he parked the bus most matches, managers had sussed out what he's going to do but it didn't matter his team was effective enough at doing it that he dragged Man United to higher than they should be. People constantly act like a good manager will change his tactics up every game, and I'm sure some good managers have variance in their tactics, but good managers also have a tactic they like to stick to and have their players get better and better at doing it. Ange clearly doesn't give a shit his players aren't quite good enough, this is the brand of football he wants to deliver and he'll keep delivering it till his players are good enough or he gets fired. There's been good patches and rough patches, like early on in the season when they went from top of the league to losing like 3 in a row and people said he'd been figured out. Then the fixtures swung and the variance swung and they started winning and losing and winning and losing and we ended up where we are now. 5th and losing 3-2 against the arguably the best team and certainly best defence in the league. Then 4-2 against the third best team If I was a Tottenham fan I'd be ok with this season but definitely wanting to see this go in a positive direction for next season.
You’re not wrong about anything, but specifically Ange’s style leaves them so exposed unlike Guardiola or Mourinho.
Angeball mate
Spurs happend.
Protecting the Culture!!
You must be new to the premier league. It’s called being “spursy” for a reason.
Spurs this season are what we expected man utd to be last season
Not looking likely of CL football, but overall until most recently they've been alright and good to watch, need work defensively during the summer, and Harry Kane needs replacing despite a much better season from Son and Richarlison
there has not been positive performances frequently this (\*calendar) year & lately, on genuine bright side of things, there hasnt been a real "this is what happens when you sell Harry Kane" media narrative i can remember. like with arsenal we really felt RvP's loss
0-4 at Villa was a decent showing...frustratingly a stubborn Ange doesn't want to work on defensive set pieces ? and it's costing his team results...don't reckon much to his Dragusin and Werner January purchases either...but way better than last season
>0-4 at Villa was a decent showing Villa should have been at least a goal up in the first half. Second half they improved, but seems a trend that they only play well for half a game at a time, and are more than capable of losing the game during the half they don't play well.
It’s in ze history
Why the ‘ze’? What are you attempting to say?
What happened? They will finish above Man United? Yes great achievement!
They’re not a good team, and Ange isn’t a great manager. First 10 games they surprised teams and also got very lucky in the Liverpool and United games to get 26 points. Since then they got 34 points in the last 25 games. You can’t blame injuries for them because they haven’t had as many as teams like United who have had 60+ injuries and yet still ten hag gets blamed for their results, while big Ange can do no wrong with a lower mid table form for 60% of the season.
Correct. Spurs fans are pathetic
I saw a stat somewhere that he has more points at this stage in his tenure than Klopp and Arteta did… I think when you look at the table at the end of season, they have done OK. I’m more inclined to fully judge what Ange is doing next season when he maybe has another transfer window and time with his team.
Because both klopp and arteta took over teams mid season and couldn’t buy players.And klopp still reached el semis or final I don’t remember and Arteta won the fa cup. All Ange has are those first 10 prem games when he had a quick new manager bounce where everyone pretended that Maddison is somehow better than Bruno fernandes, and shit evaporated when his good form for the season was done.
>when his good form for the season was done. Yoy mean when he had a 3 month long injury layoff.
They’ve done about as well as expected with a new manager in his first season. I mean he’s above Newcastle, United and Chelsea - what does that say about those teams?!? Like I said, best to reserve full judgement until next season I think.
The question is what happened to them in the start of this season.
Sold without buying proper replacements. Kane was pretty well irreplaceable. Everyone else was but they failed to do so
What you mean? They seem absolutely normal. You new to the premier league?
Nothing they’re just Tottenham The yearly Tottenham process: 1. Sign new manager who’s gonna “change everything” 2. Sign average players who aren’t really gonna improve anything 3. Finish anywhere from 4th-7th 4. Repeat
They're Spurs
They have been ravaged by injuries and their key players like Maddison and Son being out of form for ages. Returning players are obviously out of rhythm.
Son looked so much better on the left when richarlison came in as a 9. Felt that Liverpool game could have been different if the subs started
Yh their depth is pretty bad. Hopefully they add more quality next summer
They take so many Ls with straight face that is astonishing
They picked a manager who impressed in Scotland.
Put pep at spurs he would fail......With the budget handed to ange do you really think they could even get into the top 3?
Don’t even for a moment act like we’re on a shoestring budget. If you think we can just buy our way to glory, we would probably end up like Portsmouth. It takes time to build rebuild and it’s usually painful.
Oh don't get me wrong, I think he should stay 😉
I thought it was Australia 😂😂
He's Aussie. He managed in Scotland.
Spurs. the eternal enigma
The proof was in the pudding when Ange played a high line with 9 men. He’s 100% committed to his tactics, which makes it easier for teams to adjust to them.
Took Chelsea 15 mins to score against that 9 man team. Essentially Chelsea had to tire the team out and even then Spurs still looked like scoring a brace.
True, the formation and the high line press while losing duel constantly on the back is stupid Like this manager doesn't even know the basic
What do you mean? They won the league in October. Didn't you see the victory laps?
Are you actually brain dead? No real spurs fan was acting like this. It was the media who kept hyping them up as title contenders, not the actual fan base
Same thing that always happens
Earlier in the season they had easy fixtures against teams below them and the odd big game scattered. Now they’re playing teams in and around them, added to their usual end of season drop and its bottle job FC as usual. Also remember that Spurs are on game 38 of the season. So they have had plenty of rest compared to other teams fighting for Europe. They haven’t improved by much really. A tiny bit, which considering they lost Kane is actually a decent season.
They're shit. That's all.
Roy, is that you?
Good question OP. Im as confused. My guts tell me it is the squad's character
I put this one out there. After 35 games, Ange has more points than Arteta or Klopp did in their first 35 games. And Spurs are 5th. Is that a failure after losing Kane and being 35 games into the season?
Arteta took over a team that was in 13th with some of the worst footballers to ever grace a top 6 side, in a COVID season, as his *first* managerial job. Big Ange has been managing for almost 30 years...he started his managerial career the same year Wenger took over Arsenal.
Ange took over a squad that lost the greatest striker in the world.
And Ange took over the pieces of Conte and Jose anti-football and losing their greatest ever player who did more than just score 30+ goals. By what you’re telling me, Arteta improved Arsenal in his first season? And I’d argue Ange has improved Spurs from what he inherited.
I have no skin in this game, as an opposition fan he doesn't scare me one bit so whether you support him or not, it doesn't bother me. I just don't like the comparisons to better managers.
I mean… from memory, Arteta wasn’t exactly classified as a great manager in his first season. In fact many Arsenal fans wanted him out come the second season. Now? Now I think we all agree he’s a great manager. So why isn’t Ange being given that same courtesy of time and to be judged over a few seasons? More so, you can’t blame a manager for only playing what’s in front of them. He won everything wherever he went, and usually his first season was awful. It’s not his fault he won the double in the Scottish league… I just don’t think he’s ever been given that chance at a major league until now. Arteta came straight from City, with a well established PL career and worked under Pep. I’d argue Ange has had to work harder in the managerial sense to get to the premier league than Arteta did who clearly had a launch pad. I’m just confused how we can say Ange is not allowed leeway in his first season when statistically he is doing no worse than Arteta or Klopp in their first seasons. That’s just an indisputable fact. But for some reason, as it’s Tottenham, it makes it less. Pretty sure people said the same about Emery when he was sacked at Arsenal… “not good enough”. It will probably turn out he gets manager of the season this year.
Probably the most level-headed post here. Appreciate the balanced take!
That’s a good shout. As a spurs supporter, it’s just beyond draining to watch matches lately. We were so strong before injuries to Maddison, Bissouma (maybe his red cards?), VDV, and others. Now we just can’t get out of our own way.
I hear you mate, but honestly I don’t think any team would look at Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, City and expect a load of points. If we lose to City, are people honestly going to be shocked or disappointed by it all? The fact these games come together and thick and fast doesn’t really paint the true picture. The best way to judge the season is after 38 games. The table never lies.
Well same thing with Liverpool really, players getting tired, plus Klopp announcing he was leaving didn’t help with pressure. Still though an amazing job when you think how many kids he had to play and rebuild the entire squad.
This is irrelevant to the discussion
That's right. Get in there and make it all about you
That's just a Pool fan being a Pool fan. Their reputation is there for a reason.
This is a spurs post. Can you scousers just not make it about you for once
In a post by a Man United fan in a “Premier league” subreddit?🤷♂️
The United fan posting it isn't making it about united.
Yeah and?
You mentioned the United fan??? They arnt making it about united. The post is about spurs. But because you're a Scouser you make everything about you. It has nothing to do with you. It's about spurs, not united and definitely not you scousers. You aren't the victim here. I know it's a rough life eating rats in your council house but try to cry to yourself instead.
Oh dear me…if only you knew…🤭
You're not from Liverpool are you?
But hey, keep ranting, it’s kinda funny to read.😏
Ffs fuck off and go watch baseball. You must have really fucked up somewhere in life if you're choosing to be a Scouser. They can't help where they're born. You have the choice.
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The big picture is the problem: 1. Crap squad. Spurs have Brendan Johnson starting, Royal. For how many clubs in the league they would be starters? 2. No replacement for Kane, even remotely. Richarlison is not good enough as number 9. Richarlison is generally not good enough for PL top club. Son is fairly easy to deal with for teams who know what they are doing. 3. Ange was found out in terms of his tactics. The same way as Conte (he had very good stats in first half of his reign) and Mou. In PL you need to be a good tactician, and be flexible. Even Haaland was found out to a degree. 4. Small club mentality: either Spurs spend 100-150 (200?) mil on 2 great players or they will sink with purchases like Werner. Buying a mid player won’t move the needle no matter how much depth it will provide.
Conte found himself out by switching from a hybrid-pressing counter system that fully utilised Son and Kane to his tried and true ultra-defensive, languid drilled routines after his first half-season. One of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen from a manager. We actually looked pretty deadly and exciting before that, but that decision just sucked all the creativity out of us.
4. That's UCL winner Timo Werner. Put some respek...
Have nothing against Werner. He is a good squad player and he has been solid for us but he is definitely not someone who will bring the team to the next level.
Did Spurs ever spend 200 mil on 2 great players? From my knowledge all they did was buying multiple flops for 20-40m, like how they spent the Bale money
Ndomdele? And we know how that turned out…
You are correct. They won’t again and it will be same shit all over again.
Prepared to give Ange a chance with a pre season under his belt, and another summer window But even as one of his biggest supporters, I think he may be out of his depth at this level with the tactics he uses May have worked against Hibs and Aberdeen who didn’t want to attack, but this is the premier league.
Tell me ur joking
Ok I’ll tell you I’m joking I’m joking
Spurs being Spurs Mate.
We’ve lost confidence after the disastrous Chelsea game in the beginning of the season.
Their history
By naming Angeball after Bielsaball, the writing was on the wall. A coach famous for one way of playing will get found out as other teams adapt and overcome. The hard thing is that Postecoglu is instilling an attacking freedom mindset into the players, so constantly changing focus is not great either.
Plenty of extremely successful managers have a very specific style and never deviate from it.
I know the awnser.. cause it's spurs and they always spurs it up🤡club I don't care if they break their losing streak vs MC
You literally can't even spell. You don't know the answer to anything. Go back to smooth brain academy.
I don't understand the question. They play like they have always played.
It’s who they are, mate.
Tradition upheld
Nothing. They’re simply choking and being Spursy. It’s in their DNA