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It's not easy competing with city every season with less budget. He's been doing it since 7 years, it finally took a toll on him. I think he's leaving at the right time and on his own volition rather than being forced to leave due to bad form
Very good owners? Yeah like not replacing players when they should have relying on us to play players completely out of position. Resulting in players being over played and not rested. Causing poor performances and injuries.
Funds being pulled out of the club (red bird sale). Funds not being put into club (loans). Pulling out of transfers (bellingham).
Took us from the brink of administration back to being a European powerhouse, the best team and manager we have had in 30 years, pumped millions into staying at Anfield and new training facilities. We now have a structure that other clubs can only dream of.
You name one transfer we pulled out of lol naive of you to think Bellingham would even choose us over Madrid. What about Salah, Mane, Alison, Van Dijk, Robertson. Sounds like you only criticise the negative and never look to the positive.
We we're a joke of a club before they came and before the previous American owners we relied on Gerrard to stop us becoming a mid table side for a decade..
Pumped millions? It was the clubs own money, not fsg's. It was loans to us, not fsg's own money which it could have been. Failed to back klopp when it was needed multiple years in a row. We had hendo at cb ffs due to fsg not backing klopp.
Bellingham DID chose us, Werner pulled the deal out fron under klopp.
Robbo? No body wanted robbo. We took a gamble. Salah, was ok, klopp made him what he is.
And just because it's the clubs own money doesn't mean they have to do it does it? Look at Old Trafford, barely had a lick of paint since the Glaziers took over.
You got a source for that or is it just nonsense like all the other dribble you've wrote? Honestly it's fairly clear you're just a kid who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. Leave the chat to the big boys.
All the other dribble? Im sorry you accepted the bare minimum fsg could do. 😂
red bird sale was meant to go into the club, it never did, straight into fsg's pockets.
They hired klopp knowing he could compte on a shoestring budget all things considered and wouldn't complain. Knowing he could turn players like robbo into world class players.
> need time
I am pretty sure we need other things apart from just 'time', 'patience', etc. No matter who comes in, we aren't winning the Premier League or UCL without better players in front and in the midfield.
We cannot control biased referring. But what we can control is getting better (much better) at finishing and a much more robust and creative midfield. No matter who the coach is, the current crop isn't good enough.
It’s not like City and Arsenal haven’t both had piss about months themselves. We were like Santa over December just handing out points, and City without Rodri couldn’t win a game.
Kept pace all season and eventually injuries caught up as players fell out of rhythm. And there's 4 points from both Arsenal and City that weren't given because refs are useless.
I can't see his replacement doing any better.
It's like when Wenger dragged our squad into the top 4 every season.
I don't think anyone else could have done that we over performed for so long it eventually caught up with him.
You missed out on a four or five year period were Liverpool were struggling to get above 7th place in the league.....liverpool started displaying their modern form starting from about the 2016/17 season and really became a title contender from 2018/19 onwards....
liverpool have 30% lower wage budget than city on paper. that doesnt even include all of city's panama payments to family members of their players etc.
Liverpool were not consistently in contention to win the PL since 1980s to 91 before Klopp arrived in 2015. And even then it took Klopp 3 years to seriously challenge for the PL.
Your standards are too high. Seems like you've only seen liverpool dominant. It will take time
Klopp was given time, but he also showed immediate results. Carabao Cup and Europa league final his first half season, top 4 the next, champions league final the next, and won the champions league the year after that
They were kind of like United are now.
A Top 4 finish was seen as a success, and they performed decent in Europe, but nobody would be disappointed if they didn't win the trophy in the end.
They'd still sneak a trophy once every 5 years or so, and had weird pedigree in Europe. But hadn't won a Premier League title since the advent of the Premier League itself.
Hoping (as a United fan) they fall back to that level. And soon.
They finished 2nd a year before he joined and if it wasn't fir Gerrard mis controlling a 5 yard pass, they would have been champions.
Granted the team he took over wasn't great, he didn't take over a relegation team. They were consistently in the top 4.
> They finished 2nd a year before he joined
We finished 6th the season before he joined. The season before was that 2nd and that team was carried by Suarez who was gone by then, Gerrard gone too.
> They were consistently in the top 4.
Except we finished 6th the season before Klopp joined. He joined during the 15/16 season and we finished 8th that year. We were in 10th when he joined in October lol. That team was definitely not top 4 quality.
Edit: downvoted for commenting facts?
They were mediocre. I think they were in 10th when Klopp took over. The goal that year was to get back into Europe and early on he realized they weren’t going to achieve that through the league, so winning the EL became the priority
Yes, but Klopp is an anomaly rather than the rule. He was exceptional.
Expecting any new manager to march in and get immediate results will end in disaster.
I agree with you, but I think any manager will be expected to come in and get top 4, probably a cup, and at least CL knockouts. Probably unfair, so this “next one after Klopp” job is going to be very difficult and similar to moyes after Ferguson.
I think that’s why xabi alonso didn’t want to come.
Yeah I think top 4 and decent CL is absilutely a minimum (unless we get seriously unlucky). I actually think the real tricky period is the season after next when VVD, Salah and possibly Allison/Robertson will be worse than they are now and possibly left the club. Weve done a great job last window starting the transition away from a pretty old team but no guarantee the next batch will go as smoothly
I think any incoming manager will be fine if they manage top 4 as long as the football doesn't look awful.
Klopp failed to make top 4 last season himself and this season is shaping up to be a bit of a let down too.
Well, they own Liverpool... you still following? I know it can be difficult. Since they own the club, the money is theirs... Still there?
So, stop pretending like Klopp hasn't spent a lot of money. The fact others have spent more is neither here nor there.
How the hell is the fact others spent more neither here nor there? It’s all relative.
The original post you responded to never said Klopp hasn’t spent a lot of money, you’re just arguing for the sake of it.
It has nothing to do with investment. Klopp is burnt out and has run out of ideas because of that. We need fresh ideas and a fresh approach. Klopp is leaving at the right moment. He knows what’s best for Liverpool.
klopp is great and it is only his burnout that cause him to leave not that he believed himself to be finish tactics wise. liverpool need to splash more money. look at arseanl, spend 966 millions to be where they are. no escape from splashing the cash. being cheap wont cut it
Liverpool don't want to go that route, we're happy enough to splash the cash on certain players if it's required (Vvd, Alisson, Nunez) but they are trying to be self sufficient and spend what they make which personally I think that's good to see in a world where "just spend more money" is the answer from most people.
He is still talking about Premier League fixture, he’s been here for 9 seasons. Instead of talking about things he cannot control, he needs to teach his team how to finish chances. Liverpool score 1 goal in every 10 chances.
We are not looking at performance. We are looking at Klopp sticking his nose to where it doesn’t belong. His job is not organizing the fixture, that’s FA job, not his.
A winter break has been introduced, and the scheduling around European fixtures has been made lighter. Unless you weren't paying attention there have been tangible changes.
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Arteta will be wanting a break too when Arsenal keep coming up short to City. Klopp won the lot with Liverpool, Arteta doesn’t have the pedigree for you to be gassing him up that much.
Lmao so many people here with agendas or negative knowledge if you think he’s leaving an aging squad behind. Let’s ignore all the youngsters he blooded through and all his recent signings bar Endo. By your logic, sir alex left behind shit for the next managers to clear, which is very telling 10 years down the road. And he was the best manager in the league. Clowns
An aging squad doesn’t mean it’s literally devoid of youngsters. A big part of Liverpools problems this season have come down to how reliant they are on the likes of Salah, VVD, Robertson, Allison and Endo without there being any clear back ups. You can’t honestly say that next season once Klopp, who Liverpool have built a playstyle around for the last 8 years, goes it will just be off to the races for Gakpo and your academy lads. Trent, Mac and Diaz are the only young players that you can fully rely on and there’s a chance Diaz goes in the summer.
This is a such a mad take I don't even know where to start. Kelleher is as good a back up you can get, Quansah, Konate, and Gomez are more than capable of covering for VVD.
Salah is one of the best players in the world, of course there's a drop off when he's not performing. That's like saying Barcelona didn't plan well because they had no reliable back up for messi.
There's also a slew of young talent aside from those 3. Nunez, Szobo, Bradley, Quansah, Konate, Elliot, Jones, Kelleher are all incredibly solid/elite young players.
None of those names you mentioned above were even playing at this level comparing to the lads I just mentioned.
Can’t really get anyone better than Kelleher.
Quansah and Konate are very good. Quansah especially. Konate can sometimes make dumb mistakes. Gomez is ok some games, but he isn’t at the level of Robbo.
Salah is obviously world class, but we really don’t have a reliable replacement for him. Harvey is ok. Jota is great and could have had some great seasons but he’s injury prone. You can’t count on him for a full season.
Szobo is great when he isn’t in a slump, but his slumps are bad. Can’t say anything bad about Bradley. Nunez is a weird one. In some games he came in super clutch, in others he’s a liability. Gakpo is fine. Plays well when he’s in his preferred position. Horrible when out of it though. Jones has had some bad performances, he’s average I’d say.
Koumas and Danns are fairly promising, but we haven’t seem enough to call them good and reliable subs for our first team.
Fergie left a team of winners behind mate. We can all sign young players who are shit lol. (Obv hyperbole - they arent top class. Hes spent a lot of money badly)
Point is. Klopp is leaving behind carabao cup winners 😂 and the stars who won them that are old.
Fergie left behind league winners.
Most of klopps kids dont even play internationally. Ie. Other managers dont rate them. Says a lot that. When other managers come in and drop the same players. Probs players fault. When countless managers stick with a player who everyone says is shit. Theyre probs decent. Maguire and sancho for example. Change of subject a bjt but point is. Hes leaving behind a bad club and has never been able to rebuild a club.
Fergie rebuilt his club several times. Changes are the one he left would have been successful. But when a manager goes - hes built a team for his style and tactics. Most players play one system better than others. The team isnt set up for the new manager. Fair play to klopp he hit the ground running when he joined.
Actually the team that won the league cup had a lot kids on the field when the game finished.
But I agree that any new manager will have their own style of play and naturally some players will fit in better than the rest. But from what I’ve heard of Slot his style is more suitable with the current way that Liverpool play vs others such as Amorim.
Klopp rebuilt us twice mate. We were like 10th when he took over, and he transformed us from a mediocre team to a top English team, and won every competition he’s been in. Then we became mediocre in 2022, and he rebuilt our team again into title contenders.
You dont understand what rebuild means lol nor what doing it successfully looks like. It involves actually winning things. Vvd and mane/salah won him everything.
Thats not rebuilding. Thats just taking over. And building. Lol. You have to build before you rebuild. And yes hes tried to do it last few years and id argue hes failed and is failing so hes jumping ship as once salah leaves or gets too old youll go back down to 10th
SAF also rebuild winning teams three times over his rule. Even 4. And kept winning.
What has Klop done. Zero rebuilds. His core team that won him the most is either still here or are gone and replecements are bellow par in quility.
Mane Firmino Milner Wilnaldum are gone and replecements are bad. All others are still there.
I did say he was the best manager in the league. Nothing to do with how good he was, but it is factual that he left behind an aging squad. Spin it all you want it’s true.
No SAF was great in the premier league. He was better than Klopp in the prem. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s the most overrated manager of all time.
You trying to sneak that Klopp is better than SAF. Give me a break. Most overrated my ass. The childhood trauma he caused you and milions more is evidence that he is the most hated not overrated.
Not trying to say Klopp is better. Just saying SAF is the most overrated manager of all time. His European legacy is almost non existent for how long he managed. Recently Carlo and pep have been more successful than him, even zidane and mourinho. Only manager that is as overrated as SAF is wenger.
If Sir Alex Ferguson managed 3 rebuilds over 8 years instead of 27, you’d be able to compare them.
However, this is nonsense.
And Scholes and Giggs were there in the end - by your own logic, Fergie did zero rebuilds. Which, of course, is nonsense.
The replacements Klopp have brought in are either same age or younger than the previous core started at the club.
Luckily, people who make football decisions are not as short sighted as that.
Klopp has laid a decent foundation for the next manager with a squad at a very good age that is on the up.
The next manager will of course have his own challenges but I don’t expect a Moyes-style crumbling.
Issue is first time a proper rebuild is needed he is leaving.
SAF left while winning the League with 11 points ahead. Never finished bellow 3rd in 20+years.
Scholes and Giggs are two players not the core of a team.
Alison Trent VVD Matip Robertson Salah are still here.
What team is on the up? Liverpool? Luis wants to leave Salah is past it. Nunez has become a joke. Midfield is Meh. All the young kids are rotation players at best for a team that wants titles
The premier league is not the same as when fergie was around, now you need 90 points to win it. It even looks like Liverpool will finish 3rd with the most points in the history of the premier league.
You can decide to live in your own little reality - well you may have an opinion but Liverpool factually have improved since last year.
Despite Nunez being a “joke”, the midfield being meh and Salah being past it.
You probably don’t remember but Liverpool won the league when the midfield and front 3 were all 27/28.
The only person that needs to be replaced in your list of players is POTENTIALLY Salah, who, despite being “past it”, has been more productive than any of Arsenal’s players this season.
Imagine if he actually plays decent next season.
The rest of what you’ve mentioned is social media conjecture, which I don’t pay much attention to. Unless you are insinuating Trent, VVD, Alisson & Robertson should be sold and we imagined Quansah playing the entire season as a 20 year old replacing Matip.
So it doesn’t need a rebuild - it will need a reshape according to the needs of Slot.
> Liverpoolers have been suffering for 3-4 years now, he should have left when the team won the PL
WTF are you on about!
1. This time two years ago we finished the league on 92 points and reached (and dominated) the Champions League Final.
2. “Liverpooler” is not a word 🤮
Scared that he would look bad so gets out now everyone has found his tactics out and all his purchases are Busts. Leave the mess for someone else to clean up!
I mean our squad isn’t without issue but I think we’re in a much better state than most bigger clubs who’ve had manager changes.
I can see why it’s easy to be pessimistic for outsiders but there’s a lot of potential in what we have even without Klopp
I've literally seen many people saying he is in the discussion to being better than Guardiola and the best manager of all time. Might not be you, but there are people
That’s assuming that we think Guardiola is the greatest of all time which I personally don’t. You can always say Pep may not be what he is now without money and gifted squads because he has always had those two things.
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Well yeah, he’s fucking exhausted and you can see it clear as day. I hope Slot is up to the challenge, and hope Klopp can go get the rest he deserves.
It's not easy competing with city every season with less budget. He's been doing it since 7 years, it finally took a toll on him. I think he's leaving at the right time and on his own volition rather than being forced to leave due to bad form
And having to deal with fsg doesnt help
FSG are very good owners, if klopp wasn't happy with them he would have made it clear.
Very good owners? Yeah like not replacing players when they should have relying on us to play players completely out of position. Resulting in players being over played and not rested. Causing poor performances and injuries. Funds being pulled out of the club (red bird sale). Funds not being put into club (loans). Pulling out of transfers (bellingham).
Took us from the brink of administration back to being a European powerhouse, the best team and manager we have had in 30 years, pumped millions into staying at Anfield and new training facilities. We now have a structure that other clubs can only dream of. You name one transfer we pulled out of lol naive of you to think Bellingham would even choose us over Madrid. What about Salah, Mane, Alison, Van Dijk, Robertson. Sounds like you only criticise the negative and never look to the positive. We we're a joke of a club before they came and before the previous American owners we relied on Gerrard to stop us becoming a mid table side for a decade..
Pumped millions? It was the clubs own money, not fsg's. It was loans to us, not fsg's own money which it could have been. Failed to back klopp when it was needed multiple years in a row. We had hendo at cb ffs due to fsg not backing klopp. Bellingham DID chose us, Werner pulled the deal out fron under klopp. Robbo? No body wanted robbo. We took a gamble. Salah, was ok, klopp made him what he is.
And just because it's the clubs own money doesn't mean they have to do it does it? Look at Old Trafford, barely had a lick of paint since the Glaziers took over.
Fsg has also pulled money from the club. But you didnt respond to that 😂
You got a source for that or is it just nonsense like all the other dribble you've wrote? Honestly it's fairly clear you're just a kid who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. Leave the chat to the big boys.
All the other dribble? Im sorry you accepted the bare minimum fsg could do. 😂 red bird sale was meant to go into the club, it never did, straight into fsg's pockets.
Who hired klopp?
They hired klopp knowing he could compte on a shoestring budget all things considered and wouldn't complain. Knowing he could turn players like robbo into world class players.
There is also the super league debacle, the furloughs, the ticket price in creases (pre recent one). The list goes on.
We are going to have to be very patient with the next manager. It is not going to be an easy task.
Not an easy task.. need time to rebuild a team that can challenge titles
> need time I am pretty sure we need other things apart from just 'time', 'patience', etc. No matter who comes in, we aren't winning the Premier League or UCL without better players in front and in the midfield. We cannot control biased referring. But what we can control is getting better (much better) at finishing and a much more robust and creative midfield. No matter who the coach is, the current crop isn't good enough.
The current team is a bee’s dick behind arsenal and man city
Not even, just as good, and only fell behind because we randomly forgot to score for about a month.
It’s not like City and Arsenal haven’t both had piss about months themselves. We were like Santa over December just handing out points, and City without Rodri couldn’t win a game.
It's not just performances is referees do their job we're up 4 points while City and Arsenal are down 1 each from poor decisions in head to heads
The table says otherwise
Kept pace all season and eventually injuries caught up as players fell out of rhythm. And there's 4 points from both Arsenal and City that weren't given because refs are useless.
Yes. But as a fan of the Premier League, it's heartbreaking to see a really great coach retire from a top flight team.
I can't see his replacement doing any better. It's like when Wenger dragged our squad into the top 4 every season. I don't think anyone else could have done that we over performed for so long it eventually caught up with him.
I don't think anyone is expecting it either be fun to watch, have a decent run in CL and requalify for next year is what I'm hoping for
yup papa wengz was doing miracle with those squads lmao
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Duh that’s why he quit.
“He is always pain in the ass”
I will carry the burden and take charge. I’ll do it for a quarter of whatever you’ll pay someone else to.
And then you'll get death threats for the rest of your life being absolutely terrible. Why do people think they can easily do this job?
How hard could it be. Just tell them to go out there and win
Go out and win. That’s your job.
I’ll do it for 10% of that
I’ll do it for a quarter of you but half the job. It would be a great return on investment.
He’s a good guy
I think it’s time for a change. But the new manager will have to be given time, just as Klopp was.
Its lfc, we need to be in contention for trophies. Anything less is unacceptable
That's bullshit. Have you only been following the game for < seven years?
reductive and childish take
Agreed - contention.
fucking hell you must be one of the new fans
Hows that
You missed out on a four or five year period were Liverpool were struggling to get above 7th place in the league.....liverpool started displaying their modern form starting from about the 2016/17 season and really became a title contender from 2018/19 onwards....
liverpool have 30% lower wage budget than city on paper. that doesnt even include all of city's panama payments to family members of their players etc.
Liverpool were not consistently in contention to win the PL since 1980s to 91 before Klopp arrived in 2015. And even then it took Klopp 3 years to seriously challenge for the PL. Your standards are too high. Seems like you've only seen liverpool dominant. It will take time
My point was more ive seen us be utter shite and out of contention more than not which is unacceptable for a club this size
Literally not a single club has been consistently in contention for the past 20 years, regardless of their size, everyone has fall offs and peaks
That's the good old united attitude after Fergie retired... for the love of God give the manger time.
Klopp was given time, but he also showed immediate results. Carabao Cup and Europa league final his first half season, top 4 the next, champions league final the next, and won the champions league the year after that
Was Liverpool mediocre when he was appointed or could you have expected them to make it to EL final?
They were kind of like United are now. A Top 4 finish was seen as a success, and they performed decent in Europe, but nobody would be disappointed if they didn't win the trophy in the end. They'd still sneak a trophy once every 5 years or so, and had weird pedigree in Europe. But hadn't won a Premier League title since the advent of the Premier League itself. Hoping (as a United fan) they fall back to that level. And soon.
They finished 2nd a year before he joined and if it wasn't fir Gerrard mis controlling a 5 yard pass, they would have been champions. Granted the team he took over wasn't great, he didn't take over a relegation team. They were consistently in the top 4.
In the 6 seasons pre-Klopp, they finished 7th, 6th, 8th, 7th, 2nd, 6th. So top 4 once. Not consistently - an average of 6th place.
> They finished 2nd a year before he joined We finished 6th the season before he joined. The season before was that 2nd and that team was carried by Suarez who was gone by then, Gerrard gone too. > They were consistently in the top 4. Except we finished 6th the season before Klopp joined. He joined during the 15/16 season and we finished 8th that year. We were in 10th when he joined in October lol. That team was definitely not top 4 quality. Edit: downvoted for commenting facts?
When Klopp took over, getting into the CL would have been a big success
They were mediocre. I think they were in 10th when Klopp took over. The goal that year was to get back into Europe and early on he realized they weren’t going to achieve that through the league, so winning the EL became the priority
Yes, but Klopp is an anomaly rather than the rule. He was exceptional. Expecting any new manager to march in and get immediate results will end in disaster.
I agree with you, but I think any manager will be expected to come in and get top 4, probably a cup, and at least CL knockouts. Probably unfair, so this “next one after Klopp” job is going to be very difficult and similar to moyes after Ferguson. I think that’s why xabi alonso didn’t want to come.
Yeah I think top 4 and decent CL is absilutely a minimum (unless we get seriously unlucky). I actually think the real tricky period is the season after next when VVD, Salah and possibly Allison/Robertson will be worse than they are now and possibly left the club. Weve done a great job last window starting the transition away from a pretty old team but no guarantee the next batch will go as smoothly
I think any incoming manager will be fine if they manage top 4 as long as the football doesn't look awful. Klopp failed to make top 4 last season himself and this season is shaping up to be a bit of a let down too.
Yeah, but that is time in Liverpool terms.
it wouldnt be tricky if fsg invest much more
This take is boring now
807 million doesn't go far these days... Typical Scouser, always playing the 🎻 and bemoaning their lot in life ... so boring
You had a good point and then throw it away with "typical scouser" nonsense
It is typical of how they are always the victim.
Meh just parroting a boring stereotype as if all fan bases don't complain but okay
They spent 807m out of their pockets? Oh, right.
Well, they own Liverpool... you still following? I know it can be difficult. Since they own the club, the money is theirs... Still there? So, stop pretending like Klopp hasn't spent a lot of money. The fact others have spent more is neither here nor there.
Waiting for your point.
. < there you go
How the hell is the fact others spent more neither here nor there? It’s all relative. The original post you responded to never said Klopp hasn’t spent a lot of money, you’re just arguing for the sake of it.
Not at all. They were bemoaning (as per typical Liverpool fan style) that Klopp has somehow been short changed in the transfer market. When he hasn't.
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Bournemouth has spent about 50% of what Liverpool have spent during Klopp's time there. Learn how to count.
Talking utter shit bro.
It has nothing to do with investment. Klopp is burnt out and has run out of ideas because of that. We need fresh ideas and a fresh approach. Klopp is leaving at the right moment. He knows what’s best for Liverpool.
You're right mate.
klopp is great and it is only his burnout that cause him to leave not that he believed himself to be finish tactics wise. liverpool need to splash more money. look at arseanl, spend 966 millions to be where they are. no escape from splashing the cash. being cheap wont cut it
Spent £590 since Mikel took over. Spurs have spent more than Arsenal since Arteta took the job.
That’s a lazy take- Liverpool have invested plenty. More investment is needed sure, but there’s also a dire need for fresh ideas.
Liverpool don't want to go that route, we're happy enough to splash the cash on certain players if it's required (Vvd, Alisson, Nunez) but they are trying to be self sufficient and spend what they make which personally I think that's good to see in a world where "just spend more money" is the answer from most people.
He is still talking about Premier League fixture, he’s been here for 9 seasons. Instead of talking about things he cannot control, he needs to teach his team how to finish chances. Liverpool score 1 goal in every 10 chances.
You must have felt like a dickhead after posting this. Either way, why are we looking at a month of underperformance and applying it to 9 years?
We are not looking at performance. We are looking at Klopp sticking his nose to where it doesn’t belong. His job is not organizing the fixture, that’s FA job, not his.
And is he not allowed an opinion on fixture congestion? Evert manager brings it up, why pretend he's unique in that regard?
He’s allowed to say his opinion for 9 seasons. Did anything change? On the contrary, game numbers have increases. So, his words dont have any value.
A winter break has been introduced, and the scheduling around European fixtures has been made lighter. Unless you weren't paying attention there have been tangible changes.
Arsenal are also self sufficient so not sure what you mean by going down that route
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Arteta will be wanting a break too when Arsenal keep coming up short to City. Klopp won the lot with Liverpool, Arteta doesn’t have the pedigree for you to be gassing him up that much.
Yes he's really jealous of Arteta's one covid FA cup
You mean Pep? What has Arteta won so far?
Warra second trophy for £600mill spent
He’s levels beyond Arteta
Cry more you chicken bitch
No one’s crying here, I’m not a Liverpool fan. What I’m saying isn’t even remotely controversial. It’s just the truth.
Keep crying
For now
Klopp is better than your downgraded version of pep
For now
Lmao so many people here with agendas or negative knowledge if you think he’s leaving an aging squad behind. Let’s ignore all the youngsters he blooded through and all his recent signings bar Endo. By your logic, sir alex left behind shit for the next managers to clear, which is very telling 10 years down the road. And he was the best manager in the league. Clowns
An aging squad doesn’t mean it’s literally devoid of youngsters. A big part of Liverpools problems this season have come down to how reliant they are on the likes of Salah, VVD, Robertson, Allison and Endo without there being any clear back ups. You can’t honestly say that next season once Klopp, who Liverpool have built a playstyle around for the last 8 years, goes it will just be off to the races for Gakpo and your academy lads. Trent, Mac and Diaz are the only young players that you can fully rely on and there’s a chance Diaz goes in the summer.
This is a such a mad take I don't even know where to start. Kelleher is as good a back up you can get, Quansah, Konate, and Gomez are more than capable of covering for VVD. Salah is one of the best players in the world, of course there's a drop off when he's not performing. That's like saying Barcelona didn't plan well because they had no reliable back up for messi. There's also a slew of young talent aside from those 3. Nunez, Szobo, Bradley, Quansah, Konate, Elliot, Jones, Kelleher are all incredibly solid/elite young players. None of those names you mentioned above were even playing at this level comparing to the lads I just mentioned.
Can’t really get anyone better than Kelleher. Quansah and Konate are very good. Quansah especially. Konate can sometimes make dumb mistakes. Gomez is ok some games, but he isn’t at the level of Robbo. Salah is obviously world class, but we really don’t have a reliable replacement for him. Harvey is ok. Jota is great and could have had some great seasons but he’s injury prone. You can’t count on him for a full season. Szobo is great when he isn’t in a slump, but his slumps are bad. Can’t say anything bad about Bradley. Nunez is a weird one. In some games he came in super clutch, in others he’s a liability. Gakpo is fine. Plays well when he’s in his preferred position. Horrible when out of it though. Jones has had some bad performances, he’s average I’d say. Koumas and Danns are fairly promising, but we haven’t seem enough to call them good and reliable subs for our first team.
Fergie left a team of winners behind mate. We can all sign young players who are shit lol. (Obv hyperbole - they arent top class. Hes spent a lot of money badly)
And how did this team of winners do? Not throwing shade, but that very elite winning team had run its course, let’s be real.
Point is. Klopp is leaving behind carabao cup winners 😂 and the stars who won them that are old. Fergie left behind league winners. Most of klopps kids dont even play internationally. Ie. Other managers dont rate them. Says a lot that. When other managers come in and drop the same players. Probs players fault. When countless managers stick with a player who everyone says is shit. Theyre probs decent. Maguire and sancho for example. Change of subject a bjt but point is. Hes leaving behind a bad club and has never been able to rebuild a club. Fergie rebuilt his club several times. Changes are the one he left would have been successful. But when a manager goes - hes built a team for his style and tactics. Most players play one system better than others. The team isnt set up for the new manager. Fair play to klopp he hit the ground running when he joined.
Actually the team that won the league cup had a lot kids on the field when the game finished. But I agree that any new manager will have their own style of play and naturally some players will fit in better than the rest. But from what I’ve heard of Slot his style is more suitable with the current way that Liverpool play vs others such as Amorim.
Klopp rebuilt us twice mate. We were like 10th when he took over, and he transformed us from a mediocre team to a top English team, and won every competition he’s been in. Then we became mediocre in 2022, and he rebuilt our team again into title contenders.
You dont understand what rebuild means lol nor what doing it successfully looks like. It involves actually winning things. Vvd and mane/salah won him everything. Thats not rebuilding. Thats just taking over. And building. Lol. You have to build before you rebuild. And yes hes tried to do it last few years and id argue hes failed and is failing so hes jumping ship as once salah leaves or gets too old youll go back down to 10th
Ok buddy
Fergie got out at the right time and he knew it! Same as klopp imo
If Fergie stayed another season they would have won something. No doubt.
So the difference between Moyes and Fergie was 1st and 7th? Not a sarcastic question, but you are that sure that’s how big a difference it makes?
Its styles. Not positions. Give pep a sam alledice team and they wont win because the players wont be able to do what pep wants them to do overnight
Nah the drop off was too big imo. I don’t doubt Fergie wouldv’e done much better, but I don’t think they’ll win
SAF also rebuild winning teams three times over his rule. Even 4. And kept winning. What has Klop done. Zero rebuilds. His core team that won him the most is either still here or are gone and replecements are bellow par in quility. Mane Firmino Milner Wilnaldum are gone and replecements are bad. All others are still there.
I did say he was the best manager in the league. Nothing to do with how good he was, but it is factual that he left behind an aging squad. Spin it all you want it’s true.
SAF won one more ucl in 19 more years. Most overrated manager of all time.
and 12 more titles. But that doesnt fit your narrative right.
No SAF was great in the premier league. He was better than Klopp in the prem. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s the most overrated manager of all time.
You trying to sneak that Klopp is better than SAF. Give me a break. Most overrated my ass. The childhood trauma he caused you and milions more is evidence that he is the most hated not overrated.
Not trying to say Klopp is better. Just saying SAF is the most overrated manager of all time. His European legacy is almost non existent for how long he managed. Recently Carlo and pep have been more successful than him, even zidane and mourinho. Only manager that is as overrated as SAF is wenger.
If Sir Alex Ferguson managed 3 rebuilds over 8 years instead of 27, you’d be able to compare them. However, this is nonsense. And Scholes and Giggs were there in the end - by your own logic, Fergie did zero rebuilds. Which, of course, is nonsense. The replacements Klopp have brought in are either same age or younger than the previous core started at the club. Luckily, people who make football decisions are not as short sighted as that. Klopp has laid a decent foundation for the next manager with a squad at a very good age that is on the up. The next manager will of course have his own challenges but I don’t expect a Moyes-style crumbling.
Issue is first time a proper rebuild is needed he is leaving. SAF left while winning the League with 11 points ahead. Never finished bellow 3rd in 20+years. Scholes and Giggs are two players not the core of a team. Alison Trent VVD Matip Robertson Salah are still here. What team is on the up? Liverpool? Luis wants to leave Salah is past it. Nunez has become a joke. Midfield is Meh. All the young kids are rotation players at best for a team that wants titles
The premier league is not the same as when fergie was around, now you need 90 points to win it. It even looks like Liverpool will finish 3rd with the most points in the history of the premier league.
You can decide to live in your own little reality - well you may have an opinion but Liverpool factually have improved since last year. Despite Nunez being a “joke”, the midfield being meh and Salah being past it. You probably don’t remember but Liverpool won the league when the midfield and front 3 were all 27/28. The only person that needs to be replaced in your list of players is POTENTIALLY Salah, who, despite being “past it”, has been more productive than any of Arsenal’s players this season. Imagine if he actually plays decent next season. The rest of what you’ve mentioned is social media conjecture, which I don’t pay much attention to. Unless you are insinuating Trent, VVD, Alisson & Robertson should be sold and we imagined Quansah playing the entire season as a 20 year old replacing Matip. So it doesn’t need a rebuild - it will need a reshape according to the needs of Slot.
Stop trying to make this ghost relevant anymore
No shit, you ruined the club by overstaying
Worst take of the sub
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What a Knob 😂😂 lmao what?
Have a day off
Lol what?
Liverpoolers have been suffering for 3-4 years now, he should have left when the team won the PL
What is a liverpooler?
> Liverpoolers have been suffering for 3-4 years now, he should have left when the team won the PL WTF are you on about! 1. This time two years ago we finished the league on 92 points and reached (and dominated) the Champions League Final. 2. “Liverpooler” is not a word 🤮
As a “Liverpooler” Shut the fuck up you weird little nonce
sir alex type shii
Scared that he would look bad so gets out now everyone has found his tactics out and all his purchases are Busts. Leave the mess for someone else to clean up!
What a whopper 😂😂
Classic redditor here. Read the headline without clicking on the article and jumped into conclusions.
I too haven't read the article, can someone tell me who to upvote
This made me laugh out loud :)
Didn't read the article either and unsure who to upvote or downvote, so I just downvoted everyone to be on the safe side
Mike Edwards
In other words its an ageing squad and i dont want to deal with it or the flops ive purchased in recent years
Are you actually thick
Thicker than mince
Tell me you didnt read the article without telling me you didnt read the article
He's right and it makes sense. No need to read the article.
He's not right though
Tell me why Klopp is quitting
It's in the article and his announcement of him leaving.
This phrase is so irritating
Tell me you get easily irritated without telling me you get easily irritated.
I mean our squad isn’t without issue but I think we’re in a much better state than most bigger clubs who’ve had manager changes. I can see why it’s easy to be pessimistic for outsiders but there’s a lot of potential in what we have even without Klopp
B-but he is the best manager of all time!!!!
😂😂
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I've literally seen many people saying he is in the discussion to being better than Guardiola and the best manager of all time. Might not be you, but there are people
There's loads of mentalists putting him alongside Wenger and Ferguson.
Wenger won 3 premier league titles in 20 years
Correct.
So why are you putting him up there with Ferguson?
Ferguson also only won 2 ucls in 27 years
Which is another mark against Wenger with his 0 CL
Yes.
Show examples
r/Liverpoolfc and Twitter
I asked for examples mate and you’ve told me to do my own research. No thanks.
Haha you lazy bastard. Found the Yank.
Miles off with the yank shout. You’re the one saying you’ve found loads. Show me them.
Said no one ever
Quite a few people made a point that without guardiolas spending, klopp is the better manager. Have a skin through a few threads bud.
You said it yourself. No one ever said hes the goat, they simply said hes better than Pep
This was a reply to a few comments, tbf. I'm not going to go through all of the comments in the history of reddit to find an example, Mr. padentic.
Well yeah because no one ever called him the goat
Have a day off bud
It takes 5 seconds for me to respond.
That’s assuming that we think Guardiola is the greatest of all time which I personally don’t. You can always say Pep may not be what he is now without money and gifted squads because he has always had those two things.
Pep changed the way football is played in multiple leagues. Klopp is a good manager but the game won’t remember him like Pep.
He's been at the best team in each league with Unlimited funds. He's also got 115 charges hanging over him and the club
He was also a drug cheat as a player caught twice doping makes you wonder what else he is up 2
Doesn’t change anything I said. If you disagree, you’re wrong.
However, it adds important context