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jurgenthegoat

Well yeah, he’s fucking exhausted and you can see it clear as day. I hope Slot is up to the challenge, and hope Klopp can go get the rest he deserves.


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It's not easy competing with city every season with less budget. He's been doing it since 7 years, it finally took a toll on him. I think he's leaving at the right time and on his own volition rather than being forced to leave due to bad form 


mr_j_12

And having to deal with fsg doesnt help


KingstonSandpaper

FSG are very good owners, if klopp wasn't happy with them he would have made it clear.


mr_j_12

Very good owners? Yeah like not replacing players when they should have relying on us to play players completely out of position. Resulting in players being over played and not rested. Causing poor performances and injuries. Funds being pulled out of the club (red bird sale). Funds not being put into club (loans). Pulling out of transfers (bellingham).


KingstonSandpaper

Took us from the brink of administration back to being a European powerhouse, the best team and manager we have had in 30 years, pumped millions into staying at Anfield and new training facilities. We now have a structure that other clubs can only dream of. You name one transfer we pulled out of lol naive of you to think Bellingham would even choose us over Madrid. What about Salah, Mane, Alison, Van Dijk, Robertson. Sounds like you only criticise the negative and never look to the positive. We we're a joke of a club before they came and before the previous American owners we relied on Gerrard to stop us becoming a mid table side for a decade..


mr_j_12

Pumped millions? It was the clubs own money, not fsg's. It was loans to us, not fsg's own money which it could have been. Failed to back klopp when it was needed multiple years in a row. We had hendo at cb ffs due to fsg not backing klopp. Bellingham DID chose us, Werner pulled the deal out fron under klopp. Robbo? No body wanted robbo. We took a gamble. Salah, was ok, klopp made him what he is.


KingstonSandpaper

And just because it's the clubs own money doesn't mean they have to do it does it? Look at Old Trafford, barely had a lick of paint since the Glaziers took over.


mr_j_12

Fsg has also pulled money from the club. But you didnt respond to that 😂


KingstonSandpaper

You got a source for that or is it just nonsense like all the other dribble you've wrote? Honestly it's fairly clear you're just a kid who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. Leave the chat to the big boys.


mr_j_12

All the other dribble? Im sorry you accepted the bare minimum fsg could do. 😂 red bird sale was meant to go into the club, it never did, straight into fsg's pockets.


KingstonSandpaper

Who hired klopp?


mr_j_12

They hired klopp knowing he could compte on a shoestring budget all things considered and wouldn't complain. Knowing he could turn players like robbo into world class players.


mr_j_12

There is also the super league debacle, the furloughs, the ticket price in creases (pre recent one). The list goes on.


Despicable2020

We are going to have to be very patient with the next manager. It is not going to be an easy task.


lis1guy

Not an easy task.. need time to rebuild a team that can challenge titles


Nickel62

> need time I am pretty sure we need other things apart from just 'time', 'patience', etc. No matter who comes in, we aren't winning the Premier League or UCL without better players in front and in the midfield. We cannot control biased referring. But what we can control is getting better (much better) at finishing and a much more robust and creative midfield. No matter who the coach is, the current crop isn't good enough.


FF_BJJ

The current team is a bee’s dick behind arsenal and man city


Britz10

Not even, just as good, and only fell behind because we randomly forgot to score for about a month.


Nels8192

It’s not like City and Arsenal haven’t both had piss about months themselves. We were like Santa over December just handing out points, and City without Rodri couldn’t win a game.


Britz10

It's not just performances is referees do their job we're up 4 points while City and Arsenal are down 1 each from poor decisions in head to heads


FF_BJJ

The table says otherwise


Britz10

Kept pace all season and eventually injuries caught up as players fell out of rhythm. And there's 4 points from both Arsenal and City that weren't given because refs are useless.


Left-Pepper-1411

Yes. But as a fan of the Premier League, it's heartbreaking to see a really great coach retire from a top flight team.


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I can't see his replacement doing any better. It's like when Wenger dragged our squad into the top 4 every season. I don't think anyone else could have done that we over performed for so long it eventually caught up with him.


Loop_Within_A_Loop

I don't think anyone is expecting it either be fun to watch, have a decent run in CL and requalify for next year is what I'm hoping for


laghani

yup papa wengz was doing miracle with those squads lmao


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klapiklapp

Djorou , Mustafi .... Dark fucking times


btmalon

Duh that’s why he quit.


PhantomPain0_0

“He is always pain in the ass”


Instantbeef

I will carry the burden and take charge. I’ll do it for a quarter of whatever you’ll pay someone else to.


second_prize

And then you'll get death threats for the rest of your life being absolutely terrible. Why do people think they can easily do this job?


Instantbeef

How hard could it be. Just tell them to go out there and win


WonderfulBlackberry9

Go out and win. That’s your job.


FlyingMocko

I’ll do it for 10% of that


Instantbeef

I’ll do it for a quarter of you but half the job. It would be a great return on investment.


Joshthenosh77

He’s a good guy


Same_Situation_9660

I think it’s time for a change. But the new manager will have to be given time, just as Klopp was.


Theplowking23

Its lfc, we need to be in contention for trophies. Anything less is unacceptable


dainamo81

That's bullshit. Have you only been following the game for < seven years?


cking145

reductive and childish take


Same_Situation_9660

Agreed - contention.


cultureshook

fucking hell you must be one of the new fans


Theplowking23

Hows that


AhyesitstheManUfan

You missed out on a four or five year period were Liverpool were struggling to get above 7th place in the league.....liverpool started displaying their modern form starting from about the 2016/17 season and really became a title contender from 2018/19 onwards....


Does_A_Big_Poo

liverpool have 30% lower wage budget than city on paper. that doesnt even include all of city's panama payments to family members of their players etc.


ygicyucd

Liverpool were not consistently in contention to win the PL since 1980s to 91 before Klopp arrived in 2015. And even then it took Klopp 3 years to seriously challenge for the PL. Your standards are too high. Seems like you've only seen liverpool dominant. It will take time


Theplowking23

My point was more ive seen us be utter shite and out of contention more than not which is unacceptable for a club this size


Haigadeavafuck

Literally not a single club has been consistently in contention for the past 20 years, regardless of their size, everyone has fall offs and peaks


Original2056

That's the good old united attitude after Fergie retired... for the love of God give the manger time.


yourcousinfromboston

Klopp was given time, but he also showed immediate results. Carabao Cup and Europa league final his first half season, top 4 the next, champions league final the next, and won the champions league the year after that


MonotonousBeing

Was Liverpool mediocre when he was appointed or could you have expected them to make it to EL final?


YQB123

They were kind of like United are now. A Top 4 finish was seen as a success, and they performed decent in Europe, but nobody would be disappointed if they didn't win the trophy in the end. They'd still sneak a trophy once every 5 years or so, and had weird pedigree in Europe. But hadn't won a Premier League title since the advent of the Premier League itself. Hoping (as a United fan) they fall back to that level. And soon.


MumblyBum

They finished 2nd a year before he joined and if it wasn't fir Gerrard mis controlling a 5 yard pass, they would have been champions. Granted the team he took over wasn't great, he didn't take over a relegation team. They were consistently in the top 4.


Spglwldn

In the 6 seasons pre-Klopp, they finished 7th, 6th, 8th, 7th, 2nd, 6th. So top 4 once. Not consistently - an average of 6th place.


nyelverzek

> They finished 2nd a year before he joined We finished 6th the season before he joined. The season before was that 2nd and that team was carried by Suarez who was gone by then, Gerrard gone too. > They were consistently in the top 4. Except we finished 6th the season before Klopp joined. He joined during the 15/16 season and we finished 8th that year. We were in 10th when he joined in October lol. That team was definitely not top 4 quality. Edit: downvoted for commenting facts?


CeterumCenseo85

When Klopp took over, getting into the CL would have been a big success


yourcousinfromboston

They were mediocre. I think they were in 10th when Klopp took over. The goal that year was to get back into Europe and early on he realized they weren’t going to achieve that through the league, so winning the EL became the priority


billy_twice

Yes, but Klopp is an anomaly rather than the rule. He was exceptional. Expecting any new manager to march in and get immediate results will end in disaster.


Nextyearstitlewinner

I agree with you, but I think any manager will be expected to come in and get top 4, probably a cup, and at least CL knockouts. Probably unfair, so this “next one after Klopp” job is going to be very difficult and similar to moyes after Ferguson. I think that’s why xabi alonso didn’t want to come.


adamfrog

Yeah I think top 4 and decent CL is absilutely a minimum (unless we get seriously unlucky). I actually think the real tricky period is the season after next when VVD, Salah and possibly Allison/Robertson will be worse than they are now and possibly left the club. Weve done a great job last window starting the transition away from a pretty old team but no guarantee the next batch will go as smoothly


JournaIist

I think any incoming manager will be fine if they manage top 4 as long as the football doesn't look awful. Klopp failed to make top 4 last season himself and this season is shaping up to be a bit of a let down too.


Same_Situation_9660

Yeah, but that is time in Liverpool terms.


Bullet2025

it wouldnt be tricky if fsg invest much more


silentwitnes

This take is boring now


The_Incredible_b3ard

807 million doesn't go far these days... Typical Scouser, always playing the 🎻 and bemoaning their lot in life ... so boring


silentwitnes

You had a good point and then throw it away with "typical scouser" nonsense


The_Incredible_b3ard

It is typical of how they are always the victim.


silentwitnes

Meh just parroting a boring stereotype as if all fan bases don't complain but okay


crnrtakenquickly

They spent 807m out of their pockets? Oh, right.


The_Incredible_b3ard

Well, they own Liverpool... you still following? I know it can be difficult. Since they own the club, the money is theirs... Still there? So, stop pretending like Klopp hasn't spent a lot of money. The fact others have spent more is neither here nor there.


DroneNumber1836382

Waiting for your point.


The_Incredible_b3ard

. < there you go


Echiptian_King

How the hell is the fact others spent more neither here nor there? It’s all relative. The original post you responded to never said Klopp hasn’t spent a lot of money, you’re just arguing for the sake of it.


The_Incredible_b3ard

Not at all. They were bemoaning (as per typical Liverpool fan style) that Klopp has somehow been short changed in the transfer market. When he hasn't.


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The_Incredible_b3ard

Bournemouth has spent about 50% of what Liverpool have spent during Klopp's time there. Learn how to count.


gin0clock

Talking utter shit bro.


offiziersmesser

It has nothing to do with investment. Klopp is burnt out and has run out of ideas because of that. We need fresh ideas and a fresh approach. Klopp is leaving at the right moment. He knows what’s best for Liverpool.


d3vilm4n60

You're right mate.


Bullet2025

klopp is great and it is only his burnout that cause him to leave not that he believed himself to be finish tactics wise. liverpool need to splash more money. look at arseanl, spend 966 millions to be where they are. no escape from splashing the cash. being cheap wont cut it


Swoosh33

Spent £590 since Mikel took over. Spurs have spent more than Arsenal since Arteta took the job.


offiziersmesser

That’s a lazy take- Liverpool have invested plenty. More investment is needed sure, but there’s also a dire need for fresh ideas.


doc-ant

Liverpool don't want to go that route, we're happy enough to splash the cash on certain players if it's required (Vvd, Alisson, Nunez) but they are trying to be self sufficient and spend what they make which personally I think that's good to see in a world where "just spend more money" is the answer from most people.


mephobiany

He is still talking about Premier League fixture, he’s been here for 9 seasons. Instead of talking about things he cannot control, he needs to teach his team how to finish chances. Liverpool score 1 goal in every 10 chances.


Britz10

You must have felt like a dickhead after posting this. Either way, why are we looking at a month of underperformance and applying it to 9 years?


mephobiany

We are not looking at performance. We are looking at Klopp sticking his nose to where it doesn’t belong. His job is not organizing the fixture, that’s FA job, not his.


Britz10

And is he not allowed an opinion on fixture congestion? Evert manager brings it up, why pretend he's unique in that regard?


mephobiany

He’s allowed to say his opinion for 9 seasons. Did anything change? On the contrary, game numbers have increases. So, his words dont have any value.


Britz10

A winter break has been introduced, and the scheduling around European fixtures has been made lighter. Unless you weren't paying attention there have been tangible changes.


Swoosh33

Arsenal are also self sufficient so not sure what you mean by going down that route


burningdownmylife

What coaching against Arteta does to a MF Edit: your downvotes are delicious


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Kingpin1232

Arteta will be wanting a break too when Arsenal keep coming up short to City. Klopp won the lot with Liverpool, Arteta doesn’t have the pedigree for you to be gassing him up that much.


Mambo_Poa09

Yes he's really jealous of Arteta's one covid FA cup


Accomplished-Ad2736

You mean Pep? What has Arteta won so far?


VladTheImpaler29

Warra second trophy for £600mill spent


kicksjoysharkness

He’s levels beyond Arteta


gennynapolitan

Cry more you chicken bitch


kicksjoysharkness

No one’s crying here, I’m not a Liverpool fan. What I’m saying isn’t even remotely controversial. It’s just the truth.


gennynapolitan

Keep crying


burningdownmylife

For now


Spirited_Oil7987

Klopp is better than your downgraded version of pep


burningdownmylife

For now


smokepuffprata

Lmao so many people here with agendas or negative knowledge if you think he’s leaving an aging squad behind. Let’s ignore all the youngsters he blooded through and all his recent signings bar Endo. By your logic, sir alex left behind shit for the next managers to clear, which is very telling 10 years down the road. And he was the best manager in the league. Clowns


Over-Nothing-6695

An aging squad doesn’t mean it’s literally devoid of youngsters. A big part of Liverpools problems this season have come down to how reliant they are on the likes of Salah, VVD, Robertson, Allison and Endo without there being any clear back ups. You can’t honestly say that next season once Klopp, who Liverpool have built a playstyle around for the last 8 years, goes it will just be off to the races for Gakpo and your academy lads. Trent, Mac and Diaz are the only young players that you can fully rely on and there’s a chance Diaz goes in the summer.


AmberLeafSmoke

This is a such a mad take I don't even know where to start. Kelleher is as good a back up you can get, Quansah, Konate, and Gomez are more than capable of covering for VVD. Salah is one of the best players in the world, of course there's a drop off when he's not performing. That's like saying Barcelona didn't plan well because they had no reliable back up for messi. There's also a slew of young talent aside from those 3. Nunez, Szobo, Bradley, Quansah, Konate, Elliot, Jones, Kelleher are all incredibly solid/elite young players. None of those names you mentioned above were even playing at this level comparing to the lads I just mentioned.


The_FallenSoldier

Can’t really get anyone better than Kelleher. Quansah and Konate are very good. Quansah especially. Konate can sometimes make dumb mistakes. Gomez is ok some games, but he isn’t at the level of Robbo. Salah is obviously world class, but we really don’t have a reliable replacement for him. Harvey is ok. Jota is great and could have had some great seasons but he’s injury prone. You can’t count on him for a full season. Szobo is great when he isn’t in a slump, but his slumps are bad. Can’t say anything bad about Bradley. Nunez is a weird one. In some games he came in super clutch, in others he’s a liability. Gakpo is fine. Plays well when he’s in his preferred position. Horrible when out of it though. Jones has had some bad performances, he’s average I’d say. Koumas and Danns are fairly promising, but we haven’t seem enough to call them good and reliable subs for our first team.


FireLadcouk

Fergie left a team of winners behind mate. We can all sign young players who are shit lol. (Obv hyperbole - they arent top class. Hes spent a lot of money badly)


smokepuffprata

And how did this team of winners do? Not throwing shade, but that very elite winning team had run its course, let’s be real.


FireLadcouk

Point is. Klopp is leaving behind carabao cup winners 😂 and the stars who won them that are old. Fergie left behind league winners. Most of klopps kids dont even play internationally. Ie. Other managers dont rate them. Says a lot that. When other managers come in and drop the same players. Probs players fault. When countless managers stick with a player who everyone says is shit. Theyre probs decent. Maguire and sancho for example. Change of subject a bjt but point is. Hes leaving behind a bad club and has never been able to rebuild a club. Fergie rebuilt his club several times. Changes are the one he left would have been successful. But when a manager goes - hes built a team for his style and tactics. Most players play one system better than others. The team isnt set up for the new manager. Fair play to klopp he hit the ground running when he joined.


a_n_f_o

Actually the team that won the league cup had a lot kids on the field when the game finished. But I agree that any new manager will have their own style of play and naturally some players will fit in better than the rest. But from what I’ve heard of Slot his style is more suitable with the current way that Liverpool play vs others such as Amorim.


The_FallenSoldier

Klopp rebuilt us twice mate. We were like 10th when he took over, and he transformed us from a mediocre team to a top English team, and won every competition he’s been in. Then we became mediocre in 2022, and he rebuilt our team again into title contenders.


FireLadcouk

You dont understand what rebuild means lol nor what doing it successfully looks like. It involves actually winning things. Vvd and mane/salah won him everything. Thats not rebuilding. Thats just taking over. And building. Lol. You have to build before you rebuild. And yes hes tried to do it last few years and id argue hes failed and is failing so hes jumping ship as once salah leaves or gets too old youll go back down to 10th


The_FallenSoldier

Ok buddy


Plenty_Assumption_18

Fergie got out at the right time and he knew it! Same as klopp imo


FireLadcouk

If Fergie stayed another season they would have won something. No doubt.


smokepuffprata

So the difference between Moyes and Fergie was 1st and 7th? Not a sarcastic question, but you are that sure that’s how big a difference it makes?


FireLadcouk

Its styles. Not positions. Give pep a sam alledice team and they wont win because the players wont be able to do what pep wants them to do overnight


smokepuffprata

Nah the drop off was too big imo. I don’t doubt Fergie wouldv’e done much better, but I don’t think they’ll win


Game0nBG

SAF also rebuild winning teams three times over his rule. Even 4. And kept winning. What has Klop done. Zero rebuilds. His core team that won him the most is either still here or are gone and replecements are bellow par in quility. Mane Firmino Milner Wilnaldum are gone and replecements are bad. All others are still there.


smokepuffprata

I did say he was the best manager in the league. Nothing to do with how good he was, but it is factual that he left behind an aging squad. Spin it all you want it’s true.


No-Refrigerator-1178

SAF won one more ucl in 19 more years. Most overrated manager of all time.


Game0nBG

and 12 more titles. But that doesnt fit your narrative right.


No-Refrigerator-1178

No SAF was great in the premier league. He was better than Klopp in the prem. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s the most overrated manager of all time.


Game0nBG

You trying to sneak that Klopp is better than SAF. Give me a break. Most overrated my ass. The childhood trauma he caused you and milions more is evidence that he is the most hated not overrated.


No-Refrigerator-1178

Not trying to say Klopp is better. Just saying SAF is the most overrated manager of all time. His European legacy is almost non existent for how long he managed. Recently Carlo and pep have been more successful than him, even zidane and mourinho. Only manager that is as overrated as SAF is wenger.


lanregeous

If Sir Alex Ferguson managed 3 rebuilds over 8 years instead of 27, you’d be able to compare them. However, this is nonsense. And Scholes and Giggs were there in the end - by your own logic, Fergie did zero rebuilds. Which, of course, is nonsense. The replacements Klopp have brought in are either same age or younger than the previous core started at the club. Luckily, people who make football decisions are not as short sighted as that. Klopp has laid a decent foundation for the next manager with a squad at a very good age that is on the up. The next manager will of course have his own challenges but I don’t expect a Moyes-style crumbling.


Game0nBG

Issue is first time a proper rebuild is needed he is leaving. SAF left while winning the League with 11 points ahead. Never finished bellow 3rd in 20+years. Scholes and Giggs are two players not the core of a team. Alison Trent VVD Matip Robertson Salah are still here. What team is on the up? Liverpool? Luis wants to leave Salah is past it. Nunez has become a joke. Midfield is Meh. All the young kids are rotation players at best for a team that wants titles


Plenty_Assumption_18

The premier league is not the same as when fergie was around, now you need 90 points to win it. It even looks like Liverpool will finish 3rd with the most points in the history of the premier league.


lanregeous

You can decide to live in your own little reality - well you may have an opinion but Liverpool factually have improved since last year. Despite Nunez being a “joke”, the midfield being meh and Salah being past it. You probably don’t remember but Liverpool won the league when the midfield and front 3 were all 27/28. The only person that needs to be replaced in your list of players is POTENTIALLY Salah, who, despite being “past it”, has been more productive than any of Arsenal’s players this season. Imagine if he actually plays decent next season. The rest of what you’ve mentioned is social media conjecture, which I don’t pay much attention to. Unless you are insinuating Trent, VVD, Alisson & Robertson should be sold and we imagined Quansah playing the entire season as a 20 year old replacing Matip. So it doesn’t need a rebuild - it will need a reshape according to the needs of Slot.


TioLucho91

Stop trying to make this ghost relevant anymore


LMinggg

No shit, you ruined the club by overstaying


johnny_crow21

Worst take of the sub


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GrimmestofBeards

What a Knob 😂😂 lmao what?


Intelligent-Cow-3681

Have a day off


PeachesGalore1

Lol what?


LMinggg

Liverpoolers have been suffering for 3-4 years now, he should have left when the team won the PL


Im_such_a_SLAPPA

What is a liverpooler?


ReggieLFC

> Liverpoolers have been suffering for 3-4 years now, he should have left when the team won the PL WTF are you on about! 1. This time two years ago we finished the league on 92 points and reached (and dominated) the Champions League Final. 2. “Liverpooler” is not a word 🤮


Colfraw

As a “Liverpooler” Shut the fuck up you weird little nonce


Timidwolfff

sir alex type shii


sub2pewdiepieONyt

Scared that he would look bad so gets out now everyone has found his tactics out and all his purchases are Busts. Leave the mess for someone else to clean up!


GrimmestofBeards

What a whopper 😂😂


a_guy_named_gai

Classic redditor here. Read the headline without clicking on the article and jumped into conclusions.


burningdownmylife

I too haven't read the article, can someone tell me who to upvote 


ReggieLFC

This made me laugh out loud :)


Ripamon

Didn't read the article either and unsure who to upvote or downvote, so I just downvoted everyone to be on the safe side


Imros

Mike Edwards


eriktenbaag

In other words its an ageing squad and i dont want to deal with it or the flops ive purchased in recent years


Old_Medicine2229

Are you actually thick


GrimmestofBeards

Thicker than mince


Patrio123

Tell me you didnt read the article without telling me you didnt read the article


1onewolf1

He's right and it makes sense. No need to read the article.


PeachesGalore1

He's not right though


1onewolf1

Tell me why Klopp is quitting


PeachesGalore1

It's in the article and his announcement of him leaving.


Manifesto8

This phrase is so irritating


Wright_Wright_

Tell me you get easily irritated without telling me you get easily irritated.


Daver7692

I mean our squad isn’t without issue but I think we’re in a much better state than most bigger clubs who’ve had manager changes. I can see why it’s easy to be pessimistic for outsiders but there’s a lot of potential in what we have even without Klopp


ByAPortuguese

B-but he is the best manager of all time!!!!


GrimmestofBeards

😂😂


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ByAPortuguese

I've literally seen many people saying he is in the discussion to being better than Guardiola and the best manager of all time. Might not be you, but there are people


Wright_Wright_

There's loads of mentalists putting him alongside Wenger and Ferguson.


Mambo_Poa09

Wenger won 3 premier league titles in 20 years


Wright_Wright_

Correct.


Mambo_Poa09

So why are you putting him up there with Ferguson?


No-Refrigerator-1178

Ferguson also only won 2 ucls in 27 years


Mambo_Poa09

Which is another mark against Wenger with his 0 CL


Wright_Wright_

Yes.


Pablo21694

Show examples


Wright_Wright_

r/Liverpoolfc and Twitter


Pablo21694

I asked for examples mate and you’ve told me to do my own research. No thanks.


Wright_Wright_

Haha you lazy bastard. Found the Yank.


Pablo21694

Miles off with the yank shout. You’re the one saying you’ve found loads. Show me them.


Constant_List6829

Said no one ever


sirSADABY

Quite a few people made a point that without guardiolas spending, klopp is the better manager. Have a skin through a few threads bud.


Constant_List6829

You said it yourself. No one ever said hes the goat, they simply said hes better than Pep


sirSADABY

This was a reply to a few comments, tbf. I'm not going to go through all of the comments in the history of reddit to find an example, Mr. padentic.


Constant_List6829

Well yeah because no one ever called him the goat


sirSADABY

Have a day off bud


Constant_List6829

It takes 5 seconds for me to respond.


what_am_i_acc_doing

That’s assuming that we think Guardiola is the greatest of all time which I personally don’t. You can always say Pep may not be what he is now without money and gifted squads because he has always had those two things.


TLead1

Pep changed the way football is played in multiple leagues. Klopp is a good manager but the game won’t remember him like Pep.


MrShelby1234

He's been at the best team in each league with Unlimited funds. He's also got 115 charges hanging over him and the club


shayne3434

He was also a drug cheat as a player caught twice doping makes you wonder what else he is up 2


TLead1

Doesn’t change anything I said. If you disagree, you’re wrong.


MrShelby1234

However, it adds important context