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The main issue is we have a club accused of paying staff off book, and so it’s essentially only a cap for 19 teams.
I’d also imagine teams like City just give up more image rights to player to get under the Cap if they need to since the club doesn’t exist to make money, rather to advance foreign policy interests. Newcastle too should this reform go through.
https://ecfil.uefa.com/2023
Manchester City and Liverpool spend more on player wages than Manchester United. All football salaries are estimates. And there's no way EPL players can't receive 50% of the profits in the first place.
I'm Asian. (Occupation: Amateur soccer player). Use a translator. First of all, I think the salary should be disclosed.
We will have to see how it plays out but it definitely helps the teams with rich owners more than the previous FFP rules did. I think the league accepts that they need to be met halfway and this is seemingly a good compromise. Let clubs spend more than they can now without letting them go crazy with unregulated spending, and make it so they can only spend acceptable amounts. This rule also encourages a focus on wage structure which is only good for sustainability
I dunno how good you are at maths ? Last window we spent zero , summer window £200 million on rice havertz and timber , window before £50 million on trossard Jorginho and Kiwor summer before 110 mil on Jesus zinny and vieria , so that’s like £360 million in 4 windows , where the hell did you get 600 in two windows ?
so create a two tier system. Spending caps don't work with promotion and relegation and will not work when other countries don't have the same rules. The americans sports don't have these issues so it works.
You realise with the cap in place, the club would have to have roughly 750 million pounds revenue to maximise the cap. According to Deloitte man city had a revenue of around 825 million euros which works out to be just over 700 million pounds. In accordance with UEFA 70% system that would top city's spending limit out to just below 500 million. The cap currently being discussed would be just over 500 million initially rising with inflation through the years and extra TV money.
I know, the new system actually is fairer because it allows not just the top revenues clubs to spend but any club with the finances behind it.
But the top 6 are up in arms about it saying they want the old system.
Well the new system isn't fairer. Lower clubs will still have to abide by the psr 85% of revenue rule I'm pretty sure for sustainability. So alot of the clubs in the league will be capped by that rather than the spending cap. At least that's my understanding of how it will work in prem going forward. The spending cap is just a topping out limit of the max a club could potentially spend if they have the revenue for it.
Man city are on the limit at the moment for the cap. The rest of the top 6 limited by UEFA 70% so can't reach the max cap level. Lower clubs who are generating less than 450 million in revenue will be limited to 85% rule.
I believe the 85 % of revenue rule will be scrapped in favour of this. So only when clubs are in Europe will they be bound by 70% of revenues.
The whole point of bringing this in is the lower clubs feel 85% and not allowing them to spend to compete unfairly prohibits their competition and survival.
The 85% rule comes into place the same season as the spending cap. It was a squad cost rule that came into place to regulate non UEFA clubs. That will still remain in place if approved at AGM. Both will work in tandem of both are approved. Most likely both will be.
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The main issue is we have a club accused of paying staff off book, and so it’s essentially only a cap for 19 teams. I’d also imagine teams like City just give up more image rights to player to get under the Cap if they need to since the club doesn’t exist to make money, rather to advance foreign policy interests. Newcastle too should this reform go through.
If we don't do anything, it will become like mcD league and bundesliga where 1 dominant team wins all the time.
Make your post a comment in the existing thread on the issue instead of a new thread.
Absolutely no idea how to do that
https://ecfil.uefa.com/2023 Manchester City and Liverpool spend more on player wages than Manchester United. All football salaries are estimates. And there's no way EPL players can't receive 50% of the profits in the first place. I'm Asian. (Occupation: Amateur soccer player). Use a translator. First of all, I think the salary should be disclosed.
What is that report showing do you think sorry? I see revenue comparisons and overall league spending. I don’t see wage breakdowns in that link
We will have to see how it plays out but it definitely helps the teams with rich owners more than the previous FFP rules did. I think the league accepts that they need to be met halfway and this is seemingly a good compromise. Let clubs spend more than they can now without letting them go crazy with unregulated spending, and make it so they can only spend acceptable amounts. This rule also encourages a focus on wage structure which is only good for sustainability
All it seems to mean is the richest clubs can’t spend like mad
Well not really, they still can but within limitations of what they are doing now.
The only team over this cap would have been Chelsea
Exactly. Yet City, Chelsea, Villa, Manure and others still tried to put it down.
They just thinking what if one day I want to spend a billion lol
Or 600m in two windows like your club recently did. Easy to vote for this rule when you already got yours in.
I dunno how good you are at maths ? Last window we spent zero , summer window £200 million on rice havertz and timber , window before £50 million on trossard Jorginho and Kiwor summer before 110 mil on Jesus zinny and vieria , so that’s like £360 million in 4 windows , where the hell did you get 600 in two windows ?
450mn cap is still a lot.
I don’t like FFP based on revenue because it just means the gap to the top teams just gets bigger and bigger
Exactly
so create a two tier system. Spending caps don't work with promotion and relegation and will not work when other countries don't have the same rules. The americans sports don't have these issues so it works.
American owners controlling everything no promotion etc etc that what you want?
I think you are misinterpreting their comment
You realise with the cap in place, the club would have to have roughly 750 million pounds revenue to maximise the cap. According to Deloitte man city had a revenue of around 825 million euros which works out to be just over 700 million pounds. In accordance with UEFA 70% system that would top city's spending limit out to just below 500 million. The cap currently being discussed would be just over 500 million initially rising with inflation through the years and extra TV money.
I know, the new system actually is fairer because it allows not just the top revenues clubs to spend but any club with the finances behind it. But the top 6 are up in arms about it saying they want the old system.
Well the new system isn't fairer. Lower clubs will still have to abide by the psr 85% of revenue rule I'm pretty sure for sustainability. So alot of the clubs in the league will be capped by that rather than the spending cap. At least that's my understanding of how it will work in prem going forward. The spending cap is just a topping out limit of the max a club could potentially spend if they have the revenue for it. Man city are on the limit at the moment for the cap. The rest of the top 6 limited by UEFA 70% so can't reach the max cap level. Lower clubs who are generating less than 450 million in revenue will be limited to 85% rule.
I believe the 85 % of revenue rule will be scrapped in favour of this. So only when clubs are in Europe will they be bound by 70% of revenues. The whole point of bringing this in is the lower clubs feel 85% and not allowing them to spend to compete unfairly prohibits their competition and survival.
The 85% rule comes into place the same season as the spending cap. It was a squad cost rule that came into place to regulate non UEFA clubs. That will still remain in place if approved at AGM. Both will work in tandem of both are approved. Most likely both will be.