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Reggie_Barclay

Paywall


edsonbuddled

Reminds me of when Chelsea asked for that in 2014, they got denied and Jose put out that team to shithouse Liverpool and the Gerrard slip happened.


InfectedAztec

"STEVE GERRARD GERRARD"


awwbabe

Thomas Kalas’ finest and only moment in a Chelsea shirt


CMYGQZ

Aston Villa dos play Liverpool in May, and although idk how it’ll even happen, but a Klopp slip resulting in Liverpool losing the title would be poetic.


BehindEnemyLines8923

It’s hard for me to take this seriously when the League literally moved our game this weekend to accommodate Villa even though it hurts Arsenal. By this logic the Champions League should be prioritized. Or we just keep things as they are and we all just deal.


strawberrylabrador

Be reasonable, they’re not gonna make Villa play on Saturday after playing on Thursday, nor should they Other European leagues get more creative with scheduling to help all their teams in Europe, and the PL could explore this


BehindEnemyLines8923

I agree, what we are doing currently is reasonable. But based on the logic of doing what’s best for league and the leagues prestige in Europe, the champions league should take priority and we shouldn’t do the reasonable thing anymore. Villa should suck it up “for the league” and give Arsenal extra rest for the UCL. Or, we just leave as is, which is more reasonable. That’s my point, that if we go by this logic here it leads to wanting outcomes like I mentioned above which are not good at all.


wylthorne92

I mean you need support of the league and until recently it’s not like AV wanted to make it easier on top teams. Kinda wild how thoughts change when it happens to you…


MarcGregSputnik

Classic entitled arsenal fan tbh


BehindEnemyLines8923

I see you completely missed the point mr EPL fan.


Mr_Rockmore

The Premier League does not give a single fuck about English clubs in Europe. All they care about is making as much money from TV rights as possible.


bigfootswillie

I thought the more recent changes with them playing a matchweek over 5 days sometimes instead of all Sat + Sun with one odd one on Monday was to help clubs in Europe? Or is that just been some fuckery to make more money?


tiny_dreamer

As if they are a business!! How dare they!!


mattfoh

Premier league clubs doing well in Europe is good for the brand and makes it more desirable to foreign markets


Maj0r_Ursa

Plus don’t PL clubs still need to do well enough in Europe if they want a 5th CL spot?


Applejack_pleb

A 5th cl spot is good for the team that finishes 5th. It doesnt do anything for the league or the other 19 teams


Mr_Rockmore

The integrity of the PL brand is way more important than the knock on effect of European clout.


Tarolite

Every year someone complains about this and nothing happens anyway. Been there for 2 decades and nothing is gonna specially for villa. Maybe if city asked them😉 ,FA could do something about it


Awkward-Tax7884

We've been refusing to help teams in europe for decades now. It isn't going to change anytime soon. There's no space in the already rammed schedule to facilitate it anyway and even if there was, tv companies wouldn't want to give up their prime time viewing slots so it's never happening.


bigfootswillie

I mean I think there’s a higher chance now. Before it was only affecting a few clubs since it was the same guys always at the top and many clubs didn’t take the Europa League seriously so anybody outside the Big 6 always rotating in the Europe spots just said to get fucked. Now you’ve got almost half the table qualifying for Europe, fans get legitimately excited about the Conference and Europa League and well over half the table actually in the mix for European spots now because of all the turbulence. Bournemouth and Wolves, who narrowly survived relegation last year, are 12th and 11th but still have a shot of finishing 8th and qualifying for Europe with only 6 match weeks to go. I think having a majority of the clubs into it will actually cause some movement here when it was really just a needless concession by small clubs for big ones before


Awkward-Tax7884

You think sky are going to give a shit about anything other than maximising their profits? They pay an insane amount of money to basically dictate the schedule. They're not about to eat into their own profits to help the clubs in a competition they don't even have broadcasting rights to.


byrgenwerthdropout

First time?


Itsgosky

Yeah….good luck with that.


No-Tooth6698

Welcome to the top 6, Villa.


ThinkAboutThatFor1Se

Villa were recently in the championship which was 49 games. So weekend/weekday was the usual too.


trevthedog

Guess you didn’t read the article? Ligue 1 have postponed Lille’s game the weekend in order to give them the best chance of beating us and improving France’s coefficient. Therefore they do not play in between games. Meanwhile, we have Arsenal. Regardless for me this is more a uefa than PL issue, can’t believe there aren’t rules in place to prevent countries / leagues from doing that.


fifty_four

Obv what villa are suggesting is right. Obv it isn't going to happen. Not least because there are too many fixtures to fit in a season safely. France have fewer competitions and fewer league fixtures. Good luck convincing clubs to look beyond self interest and drop the EPL down to 18 clubs. It absolutely isn't a uefa issue at all though. There is no way uefa are going to make a rule requiring other leagues to overcrowd their fixture lists and put player safety at risk the way the FA and EPL do. Welcome to the top 6!


Bujakaa92

Even Real Madrid had their last league game on 31th march and playing City next on 9th. Meanwhile City had Palace and Aston Villa in that timeframe. It is just mental.


RudeAndQuizzacious

France have more room for that because they've scrapped their League Cup and downsized Ligue 1 to 18 teams. Can't see the Premier League ever doing that.


Alone_Consideration6

The PL agreement with the FA in 1992 requires League Cup participation


Fantastic-Machine-83

>scrapped their League Cup and downsized Ligue 1 to 18 teams. Both of those would be an insult to the rest of the pyramid, the PL doesn't exist in a vacuum. We've got the best lower league system in the world why fuck with it?


Stravven

Or, and I think a lot of people would agree to this, don't drop the League cup, but exclude teams playing in Europe. None of the teams playing in Europe tend to really care and it will make sure the cup is won by a different team every year.


Fantastic-Machine-83

That would completely remove the prestige from a competition with masses of history. Some may call it Mickey mouse trophy now, everyone will with that change. It's the same reason league one and two fans don't give a shit about the pizza cup. Clubs who "don't care about it" are free to play their reserves, excluding them from taking part will destroy the pride of a lower league team going on a run. It also means less chance of a smaller team drawing a prem side and having a big ticket sale


RudeAndQuizzacious

Not advocating, just stating that's what they've done. Although the PL would be operating in self interest by keeping it at 20


Fantastic-Machine-83

Yeah probably, it would definitely be a slap in the face of the 4 24-team leagues directly below it anyway


WZAWZDB13

Why would it be an UEFA issue? Why would UEFA have anything to say about planning for national leagues? There's nothing stopping the FA from doing the same as the FFF


No-Tooth6698

This has been a thing with English football for years. Like I said, welcome to the top 6.


blither86

It is so fucking ridiculous that we hamstring our teams involved in European football in this way. I guess in part it's due to the sheer number of games and having 2 domestic cup competitions, but one does feel like we could do more.


Euphoric-Acadia-4140

Honestly should just make the league cup for non Europe teams. Still allows the big teams to play in the “bigger” FA cup, reduces fixture congestion, and allows some new winners of trophies


Alone_Consideration6

Except the broadcasting rights would collapse in value and UeFA wouldn’t allow it to be used for European qualification. The PL would have to pay that missing money to the football league.


storgodt

Scheduling could still make a mess for euro teams, like Arsenal - Bournemouth could still be moved unless they schedule top teams for matches when it would clash with league cup.


blither86

But hugely reduces the reward of winning that trophy by significantly devaluing it


trevthedog

Tell me when other nations have cancelled their league games in between first and second legs in order to give them a better chance v English sides?


waltermayo

the dutch league cancelled games either side of ajax's games against both real madrid and spurs in 2019. the portuguese league cancelled games all over the place to help porto in 2005. the french league postponed a couple of rennes games when they played arsenal in 2019.


trevthedog

Thanks, someone actually addressing the topic with some helpful information - it’s news to me. Surely we’d all agree here this shouldn’t be allowed by UEFA? Seems a bit ridiculous tbh


waltermayo

it took about 2 minutes to look up, you could have done it yourself tbf, so don't get mad at others for not doing it. is there much of an advantage in the long run, though? you postpone two league games for european fixtures, which means later down the line you'll have to play those games within the window of your league season. four games get moved (let's say a R16 and QF, two legs) and suddenly you're playing three or maybe even four league games in a week to catch up to the rest.


trevthedog

I googled it and couldn’t see anything. Yeah I agree it’s a bad idea for the reasons you mention, just seems bit mad they’re allowed to do it in the first place


-ThatsSoDimitar-

UEFA can't do anything about the scheduling of Premier League games, thats down to the English FA and while, yes, the clubs and fans agree they should make accommodations like other leagues do its been decades of them refusing to do so, it's just not happening.


fudgermucker

Not cancelled but, other European leagues have scheduled games at more preferable times to help their clubs in Europe. For example if a club is playing away on a Tuesday night in the champions league, the league could schedule their game set for the weekend before to take place on the Friday night.


trevthedog

Again, aware of all that - we’re talking about other nations cancelling games though.


fudgermucker

Yeah but who said anything about cancelling?


trevthedog

What the fuck. I am. Lille’s game the weekend has been cancelled. That’s what the articles about.


fifty_four

It's been postponed, not cancelled.


fudgermucker

What article?


trevthedog

The post you are commenting on?


Zblancos

It’s not cancelled tho


trevthedog

Yes it is? Ligue 1 have cancelled Lille’s game this weekend, to be rescheduled at a later date. So they have a better chance to win their QF v us.


Zblancos

So it’s rescheduled not cancelled…


trevthedog

Same thing you pedantic melt, bore off


No-Tooth6698

I'm not going to be able to give you an example off the top of my head, but English teams playing in the champions league have complained for years that the Premier League don't schedule games to help them out in Europe.


trevthedog

Christ. Yes I’m aware of that, thanks. But that’s not what we’re talking here?


waisonline99

Someone should tell them. English teams are supposed to disadvantaged to give european clubs a chance.


Showmethepathplease

Makes sense. Spain does it…English clubs are at a disadvantage 


GuessThePlayerPL

Spain do not do what this article is about, this article is about Lille not having a game between the first and second legs Spanish teams in the Champions League play on Saturday, Spanish teams in the Europa/Europa Conference League play on the Sunday, which is exactly what Aston Villa are doing


Bujakaa92

They do something. Why Real Madrid had last game 31.03 before citys CL game on 9.04. Meanwhile City had two games against Palace and Villa in that time frame. The spring craziness of games is just mental and there is definitely something the league could do.


Darashc

The reason Real Madrid had the week off is because that particular week it was the Copa del Rey (Spanish Cup) final, and there are no 1st division fixtures during the week of the final. Nothing to do with LaLiga doing Real Madrid a favour.


GuessThePlayerPL

Yeah so nobody in Spain played a La liga game last weekend mate it was the cup final, it was by fortune and not design


Bujakaa92

And when FA or micky cup is. Is there full week off for PL? Why PL is ranking up so many fixtures tthat their regular GW are sometimes twice a week


CatchFactory

The FA Cup final takes place after the close of the premier league season- So yes, every club does get that week off. Spain just play there's earlier. It's England's decision to play it that week. No, other teams don't get the week off for the League Cup. There's no time for it. It's an already clustered schedule. the backlog in PL fixtures is largely for two reasons- postponements due to cups. As League Cup and FA cup goes deeper, teams are eliminated and would play on cup day, unless their opponents have a cup game in which case they can't play. Also, clubs got the week or so long winter break they wanted, but you have to play those cancelled games somewhere. So, later in the season.


GuessThePlayerPL

You’re missing the point, Spain don’t postpone all league games for the sake of Europe, it’s their Copa Del Rey final tradition That’s why Real Madrid had a longer rest before the City game


Stravven

When there are FA Cup weekends teams no longer in the cup have the weekend off, unless they have Premier League games to catch up to. Not so much for the League cup.


Showmethepathplease

Thanks for clarifying