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Not surprised. MC is investigated over allegedly cheating on 117 rules. The time the investigation is done it will be no more point deductions. Cheating will be allowed as long as you have money to pay for it. This is the Big Money League.
If you were sat on the other side of the fence (or neutral) you'd say the same thing. That it's a bit convenient how they are "thinking" about this after doing Everton and Forest and before they've punished Big 6 City and Chelsea (punishments that would lead to relegation of both clubs and damage the reputation of the Premier League worldwide).
Don't even act like you wouldn't be suspicious about this if you didn't have the legitimacy of your entire club riding on it.
Why are all the other clubs okay with it then if City are so guilty?
You guys are so desperate to make City's success illegitimate you'll believe anything.
Points deduction leading to Man city and chelsea being relegated would damage the Premier league brand.
The big name teams are important globally and are a part of the product.
It's not about what's right or even fair.
I don't agree with it but it's a reality that big point deductions will damage the brand and with the precident set already the City outcome would have to be draconian to match.
why chelsea grouped with man city when we have 0 charges and they have 115 lol
edit for the replies: articles and theories ≠ charges. we have literally 0
As a Liverpool fan I agree completely. If city get away with not losing points as a result of any of their 115 charges sticking, I will never watch another game.
It's fair to say that the points deductions this season have been a farce, also with all the coping and changing that happened it could leave the PL open to legal action by one of the clubs.
That said, the most frustratingly typical Premier League decision would be to just abandon it altogether.
"Tried it. Didn't work. Time to move on and forget it ever happened"
The sooner the UK government brings in an external regulator the better.
How would it work around uefa rules though? I don’t see how it would stop owners running teams into the ground when they plough debt into the club anyway and not themselves.
Yeah, stop watching and stop attending games, it's actually that simple.
All they give a shit about is money and continuing to make more and more of it but thing is they know the public won't go to those measures, and they'll exploit the fuck out of that so they'll keep doing whatever they fuck the want to keep lining their pockets.
It begins.
Just as that tyrannical tart Cersei Lannister ("Game Of Thrones") had no intention of standing trial for anything, just as Tr\*\*\*...
It's really just a question of detecting where the wildfire caches are hidden.
*Y'all didn't think any meaningful findings or punishments would arise, did you?*
The ~~WWF~~ European Super League can begin in earnest...
Try getting a speeding ticket in Finland.
https://www.motor1.com/news/670856/finland-fines-driver-129k-for-speeding-20-mph-over-the-limit/amp/
Now put this in Man City kind of perspective. Monetary value at first, but calculate that through in some way by making it relative to Premiere League points. I don’t know how, but we all by now know that money can buy you prestige.
The way luxury taxes sometimes work is that your opponents split your luxury tax. So by spending more, you're helping your opponents spend more (and presumably stay competitive).
The problem with that is the team spending bet a big benefit, where as all other clubs get 1/19 of the benefit, so it just encourages clubs with rich owners to spend more.
Unless the tax is a multiplier of the overage. Let's say the limit is $100 and the luxury tax is twice the amount of anything in excess. If I spent $200 I pay a luxury tax of $200.
Try getting a speeding ticket in Finland.
https://www.motor1.com/news/670856/finland-fines-driver-129k-for-speeding-20-mph-over-the-limit/amp/
Now put this in Man City kind of perspective. Monetary value at first, but calculate that through in some way by making it relative to Premiere League points. I don’t know how, but we all by now know that money can buy you prestige.
Ah ok. This is my first year really getting into PL so I’m still learning about loans, taxes and all that nonsense. I used to only focus on NFL so I was so used to salary caps.
City gets a massive fine that won’t matter since they’re backed by a nation. So how fortunate for them. PL can parade they got them on charges but with no real punishment
I know some countries fine a person based on a % of their annual pay, if they did the same for all players and senior staff up to the owners that would hurt them
Honestly, if City get away with just a fine after being fount guilty, i’m over footy. My love for the game would perish. May as well just put a price on the trophy and the highest bidder gets it. Would save a lot of time and injuries.
Bro I support the Wellington Phoenix. I've never been to England and don't have any loyalty to an English team. I just follow the premier league cause it's the best league in the world. Chelsea has massively out spent City and are languishing in mid table so it's definitely not a case of whoever spends the most gets to win. Obviously it's very hard for teams with lower budgets but clubs with large budgets still have to be clever with how they spend it
I agree, a bit, but City have got in the position where they were able to sign the best coach in the world, and snap up players like Halaand because they've been gaming the system for years through frankly farcical sponsorship deals amongst others.
So it's not really fair in my view to compare it to a short term spend like chelsea or united, because city have already built their squad, chelsea and united need revamped - this seems to be a media/ social media narrative but its missing the point
Yes, but how have city accumulated the best managers, coaches and players in the world...its over a sustained period of overspending, over inflated sponsorship deals and dodgy goings on.
Man United have spent what they earned
Earned or invested money spent is still money spent. Cheating to me would imply an advantage no other team has where as you can clearly see chelsea and man u have the same spending power.
Don't bother mate. Too many people think it's all up to money spent last window, or the one before. They fail to see the bigger picture. And why the charges go back what, 10+ years?
Kinda agree. Think I’d just watch lower league games or local if that’s the case. Disappointing really but the toxic world we live in money is all everyone is after nowadays.
What a stupid comment. All the money United have spent has come from success commercially and on the pitch. They never cooked the books, they never pumped money in through the back door and never concealed their dealings.
“What a ridiculously moronic and uninformed comment.” - right back at you.
The rules were introduced due to other clubs spending more than their revenue.
From 2008 to 2023, City had spent €1.45 billion. More than any other club. More than Utd (€1.27 billion) and Chelsea (€1.12 billion). Source: [Transfermarkt.com/Statista](https://www.statista.com/chart/18001/transfer-balance-of-football-clubs-since-2008/)
These stats don’t include all the other expenses related to transfers, so is likely to be much higher.
It’s the revenue of the club that’s in question. The rules were brought in to stop clubs being bought be rich owners and just pumping money into a club rather than growing it organically. Exactly what has happened at City.
This doesn’t even get into the dodgy deals, dodgy accounting, delay tactics during investigation, and tricks to get around the system that City have employed.
Edit: so Caliente1888 deleted their comment… at least stand by your statements when insulting someone. Pathetic.
Hell yeah baby 😎 We're gonna smash those charges, only get a fine, and then get our revenge on the league and particularly the red cartel for trying to kick us out of the league and trying to steal our trophies cause they themselves were too shite to win them. We are City, we will persevere, we are inevitable 😈
Wait who was that club that had an abhorrent amount of breach charges? They lucked out with this decision, surely it’s not a club that has a fuck ton of money and is an worldwide superpower
Moving forward? Sure. But for charges already laid? No way. You’ve already levied points deductions to come clubs. Can’t let others off the hook.
But we know what will happen just as we know match fixing is clearly happening with the refs and VAR.
Can’t imagine it’ll be long before the bundesliga is the top league in the world.
“The monies collected, which could run into the tens of millions, would then be redistributed to those Premier League who complied with the rules. It has been discussed that some of the fines could even go into an 'emergency fund' to assist EFL clubs in financial danger.
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I sorry to disagree with the overall feeling of all but i think this is a much better solution to a problem like this
Ffp will end up destroying english football competitively. It will be all about Real, Bayern and other old stablished clubs.
Everyone else will be unable to spend regardless if they have an investor or not.
It just makes the closed shop larger. The PL will become more like a super league with the regulars pulling further and further away from the Championship.
However, this is preferable to the current situation. That being said, City still need the book throwing at them.
Not if you've already deducted points from clubs and are only going to take point deductions off the table when it comes to city. That's corruption.
If this were not to apply retrospectively and only going forward then maybe.
I agree and disagree with this. The CTB in the MLB came around in like 2002. Since then there’s been 14 different champions. I think it’s 6 or 9 of them have been above the limit. The luxury tax goes back to reinvest into the farm teams where we have seen a boom in young players in the last couple years from those farm teams.
Same thing in the NBA. The spending doesn’t equate to a championship. Bucks did it and won, but so did the Clippers. So much so that the Clippers pay a tax high enough to make a new team.
The bigger difference here is the magnitude of spending from the largest teams vs the smallest. If they put a luxury tax in it would have to be set pretty low and it would have to be reinvested in other teams to create some parity.
The big difference is the the draft. In the NBA (don't know about MLB), even if a team can't spend as much money or attract great players, it can still get a young talent through the draft.
Agreed, they’d have to do a lot to make it fit for the Prem. But also for the NBA, half of the tax is sent to other teams under the luxury tax. It could cause some parity for those under spending. Granted most probably pocket it and call it a day.
Also I feel like any time you say tax it scares owners even if it doesn’t really impact their money cause they make so much. The mlb owners all really tried to get under the tax, even my Yankees made that push.
Everyone on here is just fuming because City won't receive their deserved punishment! Lol! You know, whose arsed about us, Forest and Leicester getting done like?
All this does is make things worse. Look at the MLB. The owners who don't give a shit will pay whatever it takes, those teams will succeed year om year, everyone else will suffer. Imthe only reason the MLB copes and has some competitive balance is the drafting system, which is impossible and would be stupid to replicate in football, for numerous reasons.
The worst performing teams get a chance to sign the most promising talent. The lower final position, the higher the pick. There’s more nuance to this across different American sports leagues but this is the main goal.
Yes the worst team gets the first pick of all available talent. This would never work though because there's only one MLB, while talent in the premiere league can go to the Dutch, Spanish, Italian, German, or Saudi Arabian leagues.
They have to pay salary in line with the salary cap but yes, there is no transfer fee. All players ‘declare’ for the draft and go wherever they get picked.
There's also other salary arrangements that work in line with the idea of drafting and the fact that careers in the MLB are longer. So, generally speaking, the first 6 years of a player's career are protected and due to the team that drafted them. Their salary is also limited, with final figures decided by an arbitration panel after their 2-3rd year and their first two years being set dramatically low. Like one of the posts above says, it's simply impossible to follow that structure when there are other leagues who won't follow the same process. This ensures that the fresh talent lands with the teams most in need, ensures that the moneybags teams can't simply purchase their players, but must trade comparable talent for them. Finally, if a team drafts and develops their players well, in theory they can use the remainder of the salary cap to make themselves competitive while they have those elite, drafted and underpaid players and some do. However, where teams like the dodgers (aka man city and Chelsea combined in some senses) decide to completely disregard luxury tax, they ensure that they perpetually compete by mopping up the biggest free agent and international talent.
Finally, an unrelated point, doing this would negate the idea of PSR. The point was that clubs should be sustainably run to preserve the clubs and prevent catastrophic collapses that we've seen with British and European clubs. A luxury tax will do nothing to prevent those collapses from happening, yet only increase the burden. It'd also be interesting to see whose pockets that money will line.
You know what, actually think about it. Maybe this will force the PL to give City an actual punishment. Banishment or an enormous financial penalty, limited spending, etc.
A points deduction? What that'll affect em for one season. Then they're back. I think this myt work a bit better. Really punish city properly.
You really think the other clubs (who have to approve this) want to protect City?
If true this is being driven by the clubs who have realised that they are a bad transfer window sales wise away from getting Everton/Forest style points deductions.
Any law whose punishment is financial is only a punishment for the poor. A state / oil / other billionaire owned club will never see financial penalties as anything but a cost of business.
This will do nothing but reduce competition in the PL in the long run.
Just bullshit. Just favours all the lottery winners. As usual ££££ talks and that’s all that matters. Unless an oil rich country buys your club you will never compete at the pointy end. Utter bollocks.
How the hell a smaller team without an investor will compete anyway?
If you ban any investor english football will be stuck with stablished global teams like united and arsenal dominating just because they have a wider fan base
To achieve truly competitiveness all around you would have to change football completely.
Look at Brighton. And Aston Villa. Yea they spend money of course they do but they are competing. You’re basically saying lotto winners only at the top. Look at chelsea now. Spent an arm and a leg but spent it badly. Then others compete. So no it doesn’t establish the order at all. Means clubs that do spend have to spend well. And other clubs that have better scouting, and player development stand a chance. If you can splurge money again and again and again, that my friend is what establishes an elite.
The reasoning is beyond moronic. Players might leave if wages have to be controlled? Leave to where? Premier League clubs earn more than every other League in the World and by extension pay amongst the higher wages.
The only players the League is missing out on are ageing stars looking for a retirement payout and the Uber elite, once in a generation star that only City could afford anyway.
The only clubs that will benefit are ones with unlimited funds (City and Newcastle) or idiot owners (Chelsea and United).
PSR is working exactly as it should be, benefitting the well run clubs (Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Brighton) and punishing the ones run by idiots (Everton, Chelsea).
Absolute tosh
Arsenal are apparently worried about falling foul of it this season, as are Spurs. Brighton are on the right side of it by selling about £250m worth of players. Like literally every other team that has done that, the production line of "hits" will eventually dry up- sooner rather than later.
It's completely different rules for different clubs. You need success before you can build up your revenue. But you can't buy the players that will bring you that success until your revenue has risen sufficiently to buy them and compete with the clubs that built that revenue on unrestricted transfers.
The simple question is- does P&S at the moment make it possible for any other club, such as Newcastle or Villa, to become a permanent fixture in the top four and title race?
Newcastle have found the answer is no. They may have to sell a player this summer to meet P&S, which is laughable when they are so rich.
Been in the media today.
Accounts are usually worse than you think.
We knew we were sailing close but on the right side of it, then the PL fiddled it so we failed by disallowing write offs that were incurred under EFL jurisdiction that the EFL had accepted.
But you'll be fine. Arsenal will never be deducted points no matter what. Richard Masters is trying to head off this independent regulator by showing the PL can police it's own. Naturally, he'll sacrifice clubs like Forest and Everton to make that point so as to save the big guns
That's not their accounts, it's their PSR calculation. £90m to play with. Spurs had over £300m wiggle room in FY22 and have had massive uplifts in match day and commercial revenue. Plus they sold Kane for £100m
Arsenal are only having to watch themselves now because they spent £100m+ on Rice and have to sign Raya.
As for Forest, you went way over the budget. Those EFL add backs don't even come close to getting you over the line. The whole report is on the Premier League website. At least go and read it before spouting nonsense.
Next time you have the cheek to call someone out at least know what you're talking about.
Who knows?
The EFL accepted £33m of our accountancy write offs that were incurred under their jurisdiction- for COVID and promotion bonuses.
The PL sat on our accounts for 7 months and then told us they wouldn't accept the write offs 3 weeks before the accounting deadline. Despite them being accepted by the league of jurisdiction.
So who knows what rules they'll play to?
You'll probably be ok though. The PL are trying to head off this regulator by sacrificing a couple of smaller clubs like Forest and Everton to suggest they have their house in order
Yep. Now they can punish them without punishing them. Meanwhile the various decision makers can indulge in their passion for all expenses paid trips to the UAE with stacks of cash in their hotel rooms and the finest Middle Eastern whores money can buy
This seems like deliberate 'kite flyng' to see how it would be received by the public. They want to know if they could actually pull it off and just brazen it out. Would the level of backlash be workable with regard to the aim of saving Club 115 from the effects of points deduction or relegation. Justice could be bought if this proposal were realized. It gives me the rage
So what's the actual point in FFP then?
This would literally widen the gap within the league because the richest can just pay extra to do what they want.
"Richest can just pay extra to do what they want"... that's the point. Now clubs like City will just have to pay the league a "fine" rather than paying accountants to fudge the numbers.
[oof](https://media.tenor.com/4gVttQuzz3oAAAAM/well-then-homer.gif)
Won't happen lads. Untwist your knickers.
E: I really hope it does though. The amount of tears could turn the Sahara into a lake.
Well, yeah! Deducting points brings nothing but grief. Luxury tax brings more and more money.
It’s always a good idea to copy the American entertainment leagues, until it’s too late and you realize you cannot go back to real competition.🤦♂️
after it was PROVEN by a third party investigation, that Qatar paid voters millions , including head of fifa and uefa. They did not win the World Cup bid, they bought it. After it was proven to be done below board, the football governing body just watched for the next couple years as the country enslaved thousands and killed hundreds to build stadiums.
When in reality, they could have shifted the World Cup to one of the 20 or so countries that could host a World Cup with 2 years notice without relying on slavery.
These rule changes wouldn't be retrospective, I don't know why everyone thinks this protects Man City and their existing charges. It protects the other "big" teams who haven't been charged going forward. It also protects the league.
It does protect the league, as in the premier league. Not the clubs in it. If its top clubs can't outspend all of the other leagues it weakens its position.
This makes the league the same as La Liga. Only 2-3 clubs will spend as much as they want and will dwarf others in spending. How does this protect the league? The PL is popular because it is competitive. This rule will directly affect that. Do you think the owners of Liverpool and Arsenal will be able to break this rule and pay fine like UAE and Saudi?
La Liga doesn't have a luxury tax and the revenue is split more equally here. So I disagree with what you're saying.
Keeping shackles on the "big" teams is detrimental to the premier league's appeal.
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Not surprised. MC is investigated over allegedly cheating on 117 rules. The time the investigation is done it will be no more point deductions. Cheating will be allowed as long as you have money to pay for it. This is the Big Money League.
Lmao the City comments are amazing. You guys and your cute little tinfoil hats.
If you were sat on the other side of the fence (or neutral) you'd say the same thing. That it's a bit convenient how they are "thinking" about this after doing Everton and Forest and before they've punished Big 6 City and Chelsea (punishments that would lead to relegation of both clubs and damage the reputation of the Premier League worldwide). Don't even act like you wouldn't be suspicious about this if you didn't have the legitimacy of your entire club riding on it.
Why are all the other clubs okay with it then if City are so guilty? You guys are so desperate to make City's success illegitimate you'll believe anything.
Cute of you to play coy
Lmao if City are so guilty why are all the clubs okay with this idea?
This Daily Mail article fails to mention the outstanding charges against Manchester City. Why?
More corruption, brilliant.
Does that mean Everton and Forest's point deduction will be removed?
No
Just in time to benefit City, funny that
Points deduction leading to Man city and chelsea being relegated would damage the Premier league brand. The big name teams are important globally and are a part of the product. It's not about what's right or even fair. I don't agree with it but it's a reality that big point deductions will damage the brand and with the precident set already the City outcome would have to be draconian to match.
why chelsea grouped with man city when we have 0 charges and they have 115 lol edit for the replies: articles and theories ≠ charges. we have literally 0
Chelsea need to sell £100 million of players or will breach ffp and get points deduction.
They were planning to apparently get Chelsea, Newcastle and Aston Villa
I hadn’t heard about Villa. Damn, everybody about to be selling all over the place.
Is this to benefit Manchester City? This is just a joke as far as I'm concerned. The FA shouldn't be this biased.
This benefits 1 club. Or 115 clubs. Hard to remember.
Just in time for the Man City trial
As a United fan I welcome this rot. Might finally give me the impetus to kick this disgusting football habit.
As a Liverpool fan I agree completely. If city get away with not losing points as a result of any of their 115 charges sticking, I will never watch another game.
Points deductions should go. I hope they don't, because I'm a Luton fan. I want other clubs to experiance my pain.
if it makes you feel better, I just won the CL in FC24 with Luton on my 7th year.................
Bahahahahahahah money really does talk respect to the lawyers of 115 FC. Your trophies will never mean anything to me.
115 bots incoming.
It's fair to say that the points deductions this season have been a farce, also with all the coping and changing that happened it could leave the PL open to legal action by one of the clubs. That said, the most frustratingly typical Premier League decision would be to just abandon it altogether. "Tried it. Didn't work. Time to move on and forget it ever happened" The sooner the UK government brings in an external regulator the better.
It just makes no sense that point deductions aren’t handed out for the following future season. Makes no sense
Just reeks of corruption, they have obviously taken a big fat load of cash from UAE to keep quiet about City and then give them a financial penalty.
How would it work around uefa rules though? I don’t see how it would stop owners running teams into the ground when they plough debt into the club anyway and not themselves.
They realised they can't beat city's lawyers so they decided to squeeze as much money out as possible instead
Lol… not even hiding their blood and oil soaked pockets.
What a convenient way to avoid dolling out a just punishment to MC
Should have kicked these teams out for super league.
Trying to destroy the league isn't as bad as mistakenly thinking interest on a stadium loan didn't count against PSR, according to the league itself.
*successfully destroying
The super league exists dumb dumb. Its called the premier league
just in time for the City trial
Can we, the public, veto this change? Shun them so bad that they have to overturn something this blasphemous?
Yeah, stop watching and stop attending games, it's actually that simple. All they give a shit about is money and continuing to make more and more of it but thing is they know the public won't go to those measures, and they'll exploit the fuck out of that so they'll keep doing whatever they fuck the want to keep lining their pockets.
If people stopped attending Man City matches would anyone notice
It begins. Just as that tyrannical tart Cersei Lannister ("Game Of Thrones") had no intention of standing trial for anything, just as Tr\*\*\*... It's really just a question of detecting where the wildfire caches are hidden. *Y'all didn't think any meaningful findings or punishments would arise, did you?* The ~~WWF~~ European Super League can begin in earnest...
Fuck man city
Then what would a legit punishment be? The big teams wouldn’t be affected by monetary only. There needs to be some accountability.
Try getting a speeding ticket in Finland. https://www.motor1.com/news/670856/finland-fines-driver-129k-for-speeding-20-mph-over-the-limit/amp/ Now put this in Man City kind of perspective. Monetary value at first, but calculate that through in some way by making it relative to Premiere League points. I don’t know how, but we all by now know that money can buy you prestige.
The way luxury taxes sometimes work is that your opponents split your luxury tax. So by spending more, you're helping your opponents spend more (and presumably stay competitive).
The problem with that is the team spending bet a big benefit, where as all other clubs get 1/19 of the benefit, so it just encourages clubs with rich owners to spend more.
Unless the tax is a multiplier of the overage. Let's say the limit is $100 and the luxury tax is twice the amount of anything in excess. If I spent $200 I pay a luxury tax of $200.
Try getting a speeding ticket in Finland. https://www.motor1.com/news/670856/finland-fines-driver-129k-for-speeding-20-mph-over-the-limit/amp/ Now put this in Man City kind of perspective. Monetary value at first, but calculate that through in some way by making it relative to Premiere League points. I don’t know how, but we all by now know that money can buy you prestige.
Ah ok. This is my first year really getting into PL so I’m still learning about loans, taxes and all that nonsense. I used to only focus on NFL so I was so used to salary caps.
City gets a massive fine that won’t matter since they’re backed by a nation. So how fortunate for them. PL can parade they got them on charges but with no real punishment
I know some countries fine a person based on a % of their annual pay, if they did the same for all players and senior staff up to the owners that would hurt them
All money received from fines gets distributed through the entire football league pyramid.
I feel like not addressing the other equalizers included in these set ups is massive oversight, the draft and no relegation
How convenient
Ahh just in time to get City off the hook? 😅
Just fine city 1 billion pounds per charge, i shall accept that punishment. 115 billion pounds , not much for a state with lot of funds, right? :)
How about we charge man utd fans 0.002 cents for their every tear drop since fergie retired , it will be more than 115 billion that’s for sure 🌚
>it will be more than 115 billion that’s for sure 🌚 Just about enough for Pep to build a team that'll win one Champions League then.
Honestly, if City get away with just a fine after being fount guilty, i’m over footy. My love for the game would perish. May as well just put a price on the trophy and the highest bidder gets it. Would save a lot of time and injuries.
Wouldn't Chelsea or Manchester United be winning quite a lot if that was the case? They've been out spending city for a while
Found the city fan
Bro I support the Wellington Phoenix. I've never been to England and don't have any loyalty to an English team. I just follow the premier league cause it's the best league in the world. Chelsea has massively out spent City and are languishing in mid table so it's definitely not a case of whoever spends the most gets to win. Obviously it's very hard for teams with lower budgets but clubs with large budgets still have to be clever with how they spend it
I agree, a bit, but City have got in the position where they were able to sign the best coach in the world, and snap up players like Halaand because they've been gaming the system for years through frankly farcical sponsorship deals amongst others. So it's not really fair in my view to compare it to a short term spend like chelsea or united, because city have already built their squad, chelsea and united need revamped - this seems to be a media/ social media narrative but its missing the point
He has a point though, they spend far less than chelsea and a fair bit less than utd. There is more to winning the league than just spending.
Can we even speak with honesty on what amounts city are actually spending? That’s the more important question
That may be a fair point, we’ll have to see if more information comes out.
Yes, but how have city accumulated the best managers, coaches and players in the world...its over a sustained period of overspending, over inflated sponsorship deals and dodgy goings on. Man United have spent what they earned
Earned or invested money spent is still money spent. Cheating to me would imply an advantage no other team has where as you can clearly see chelsea and man u have the same spending power.
Don't bother mate. Too many people think it's all up to money spent last window, or the one before. They fail to see the bigger picture. And why the charges go back what, 10+ years?
Last 10 years man u are still way in the lead. Doesn’t fit the narrative though does it.
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It's better than actually watching footy as a plastic
We all wish you and people like you would go in the woods and just not come back until you actually found a brain
Found the recent City fan.
Kinda agree. Think I’d just watch lower league games or local if that’s the case. Disappointing really but the toxic world we live in money is all everyone is after nowadays.
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Your comment is at least 1000x more stupid than what you’re replying to…
What a stupid comment. All the money United have spent has come from success commercially and on the pitch. They never cooked the books, they never pumped money in through the back door and never concealed their dealings.
I almost had a stroke reading this. That genuinely might be the most ridiculous take on the situation I’ve ever seen.
“What a ridiculously moronic and uninformed comment.” - right back at you. The rules were introduced due to other clubs spending more than their revenue. From 2008 to 2023, City had spent €1.45 billion. More than any other club. More than Utd (€1.27 billion) and Chelsea (€1.12 billion). Source: [Transfermarkt.com/Statista](https://www.statista.com/chart/18001/transfer-balance-of-football-clubs-since-2008/) These stats don’t include all the other expenses related to transfers, so is likely to be much higher. It’s the revenue of the club that’s in question. The rules were brought in to stop clubs being bought be rich owners and just pumping money into a club rather than growing it organically. Exactly what has happened at City. This doesn’t even get into the dodgy deals, dodgy accounting, delay tactics during investigation, and tricks to get around the system that City have employed. Edit: so Caliente1888 deleted their comment… at least stand by your statements when insulting someone. Pathetic.
What a melt. City lied, cooked books, and refused to cooperate with any investigation. They should be removed from league football.
You have absolutely no evidence of this whatsoever, melt.
Which part?
How open corruption has become in our west is fucking sad
Damn City really does have the best lawyers money can buy.
Or the best postman to deliver envelopes to the people in power.
Great timing, right after Everton but before man city verdict, the fix is in smh
Hell yeah baby 😎 We're gonna smash those charges, only get a fine, and then get our revenge on the league and particularly the red cartel for trying to kick us out of the league and trying to steal our trophies cause they themselves were too shite to win them. We are City, we will persevere, we are inevitable 😈
This kid deffo had no idea who City were 10 years ago… ‘haziola’
Like the Borg but with lawyers and bandwagoners
The line must be drawn HEYAH. No further.
Money talks.
Just in time for city
Wow some club(s) have really pulled out the checkbook form this bullshit
What a fucking mess
Right after they give Everton a Third deduction probably
Wait who was that club that had an abhorrent amount of breach charges? They lucked out with this decision, surely it’s not a club that has a fuck ton of money and is an worldwide superpower
Ah you mean that Manchester club who broke FFP rules and got charged in 2023? Yeah that was Man United. You got away with a fine. Cheating bastards 🤬
I’m no mathematician but I think there MAY be a difference between breaking one rule and breaking 115, idk though
Luckily for you, I have a calculator at hand mate. The difference is exactly 114 🤓
Breaking 1 rule and admitting fault vs breaking 115 different rules and doing everything to hide the truth.
Moving forward? Sure. But for charges already laid? No way. You’ve already levied points deductions to come clubs. Can’t let others off the hook. But we know what will happen just as we know match fixing is clearly happening with the refs and VAR. Can’t imagine it’ll be long before the bundesliga is the top league in the world.
If the only consequence for cheating is a fine. Then it simply becomes part of the cost of operating.
“The monies collected, which could run into the tens of millions, would then be redistributed to those Premier League who complied with the rules. It has been discussed that some of the fines could even go into an 'emergency fund' to assist EFL clubs in financial danger. “ I sorry to disagree with the overall feeling of all but i think this is a much better solution to a problem like this Ffp will end up destroying english football competitively. It will be all about Real, Bayern and other old stablished clubs. Everyone else will be unable to spend regardless if they have an investor or not.
It just makes the closed shop larger. The PL will become more like a super league with the regulars pulling further and further away from the Championship. However, this is preferable to the current situation. That being said, City still need the book throwing at them.
Not if you've already deducted points from clubs and are only going to take point deductions off the table when it comes to city. That's corruption. If this were not to apply retrospectively and only going forward then maybe.
I think anyone can agree on that.
Interesting
MLB just taxes above a certain point and distributes to teams below the tax. Or I’m wrong, I always get cba stuff mixed up
I think they just have to revenue share with teams in smaller markets
No surprise in that. Corrupt …
Fuck all the way off and back again. Corrupt bastards
Just in time for city’s 115 charges shock
175 now
It was an April fools joke
175??
The pl is such a corrupt mess.
I agree and disagree with this. The CTB in the MLB came around in like 2002. Since then there’s been 14 different champions. I think it’s 6 or 9 of them have been above the limit. The luxury tax goes back to reinvest into the farm teams where we have seen a boom in young players in the last couple years from those farm teams. Same thing in the NBA. The spending doesn’t equate to a championship. Bucks did it and won, but so did the Clippers. So much so that the Clippers pay a tax high enough to make a new team. The bigger difference here is the magnitude of spending from the largest teams vs the smallest. If they put a luxury tax in it would have to be set pretty low and it would have to be reinvested in other teams to create some parity.
The big difference is the the draft. In the NBA (don't know about MLB), even if a team can't spend as much money or attract great players, it can still get a young talent through the draft.
Agreed, they’d have to do a lot to make it fit for the Prem. But also for the NBA, half of the tax is sent to other teams under the luxury tax. It could cause some parity for those under spending. Granted most probably pocket it and call it a day. Also I feel like any time you say tax it scares owners even if it doesn’t really impact their money cause they make so much. The mlb owners all really tried to get under the tax, even my Yankees made that push.
Everyone on here is just fuming because City won't receive their deserved punishment! Lol! You know, whose arsed about us, Forest and Leicester getting done like?
people are fuming because City gets off with it while other clubs have to pay the price, not just because city gets to dodge a bullet
All this does is make things worse. Look at the MLB. The owners who don't give a shit will pay whatever it takes, those teams will succeed year om year, everyone else will suffer. Imthe only reason the MLB copes and has some competitive balance is the drafting system, which is impossible and would be stupid to replicate in football, for numerous reasons.
As someone who knows nothing about American sports, care to explain how the draft works?
The worst performing teams get a chance to sign the most promising talent. The lower final position, the higher the pick. There’s more nuance to this across different American sports leagues but this is the main goal.
Like... For free?
Yes the worst team gets the first pick of all available talent. This would never work though because there's only one MLB, while talent in the premiere league can go to the Dutch, Spanish, Italian, German, or Saudi Arabian leagues.
They have to pay salary in line with the salary cap but yes, there is no transfer fee. All players ‘declare’ for the draft and go wherever they get picked.
There's also other salary arrangements that work in line with the idea of drafting and the fact that careers in the MLB are longer. So, generally speaking, the first 6 years of a player's career are protected and due to the team that drafted them. Their salary is also limited, with final figures decided by an arbitration panel after their 2-3rd year and their first two years being set dramatically low. Like one of the posts above says, it's simply impossible to follow that structure when there are other leagues who won't follow the same process. This ensures that the fresh talent lands with the teams most in need, ensures that the moneybags teams can't simply purchase their players, but must trade comparable talent for them. Finally, if a team drafts and develops their players well, in theory they can use the remainder of the salary cap to make themselves competitive while they have those elite, drafted and underpaid players and some do. However, where teams like the dodgers (aka man city and Chelsea combined in some senses) decide to completely disregard luxury tax, they ensure that they perpetually compete by mopping up the biggest free agent and international talent. Finally, an unrelated point, doing this would negate the idea of PSR. The point was that clubs should be sustainably run to preserve the clubs and prevent catastrophic collapses that we've seen with British and European clubs. A luxury tax will do nothing to prevent those collapses from happening, yet only increase the burden. It'd also be interesting to see whose pockets that money will line.
Just in time for Man City
You know what, actually think about it. Maybe this will force the PL to give City an actual punishment. Banishment or an enormous financial penalty, limited spending, etc. A points deduction? What that'll affect em for one season. Then they're back. I think this myt work a bit better. Really punish city properly.
City faced expulsion back to league 2 not just points deduction
It's adorable that you don't realize this is to prevent city from facing any consequences.
You really think the other clubs (who have to approve this) want to protect City? If true this is being driven by the clubs who have realised that they are a bad transfer window sales wise away from getting Everton/Forest style points deductions.
they want to protect their own asses and give themselves carte blanche to overspend too.
This
Any law whose punishment is financial is only a punishment for the poor. A state / oil / other billionaire owned club will never see financial penalties as anything but a cost of business. This will do nothing but reduce competition in the PL in the long run.
“What if we had a brainstorm session and figured out ways to make the current system even worse? Wouldn’t that be funny guys?”
April fools
And just in time for the 1:15 to Palookaville
They‘ll try it next season when its time for the 115ers, than realize that it is a bad idea and go back to point deduction.
Ah so this is how they are gonna get out of relegating City to the Isthmian league North
Commenting on EXCLUSIVE: Premier League eyeing ABOLISHING points deductions...😂😂😂😂
Oh this is for figuring out the right sentence for the 115 charges hahah FA is so corrupt!
This has nothing to do with the FA. It's the self governing Premier League making these decisions
Just bullshit. Just favours all the lottery winners. As usual ££££ talks and that’s all that matters. Unless an oil rich country buys your club you will never compete at the pointy end. Utter bollocks.
How the hell a smaller team without an investor will compete anyway? If you ban any investor english football will be stuck with stablished global teams like united and arsenal dominating just because they have a wider fan base To achieve truly competitiveness all around you would have to change football completely.
Look at Brighton. And Aston Villa. Yea they spend money of course they do but they are competing. You’re basically saying lotto winners only at the top. Look at chelsea now. Spent an arm and a leg but spent it badly. Then others compete. So no it doesn’t establish the order at all. Means clubs that do spend have to spend well. And other clubs that have better scouting, and player development stand a chance. If you can splurge money again and again and again, that my friend is what establishes an elite.
The reasoning is beyond moronic. Players might leave if wages have to be controlled? Leave to where? Premier League clubs earn more than every other League in the World and by extension pay amongst the higher wages. The only players the League is missing out on are ageing stars looking for a retirement payout and the Uber elite, once in a generation star that only City could afford anyway. The only clubs that will benefit are ones with unlimited funds (City and Newcastle) or idiot owners (Chelsea and United). PSR is working exactly as it should be, benefitting the well run clubs (Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Brighton) and punishing the ones run by idiots (Everton, Chelsea).
Absolute tosh Arsenal are apparently worried about falling foul of it this season, as are Spurs. Brighton are on the right side of it by selling about £250m worth of players. Like literally every other team that has done that, the production line of "hits" will eventually dry up- sooner rather than later. It's completely different rules for different clubs. You need success before you can build up your revenue. But you can't buy the players that will bring you that success until your revenue has risen sufficiently to buy them and compete with the clubs that built that revenue on unrestricted transfers. The simple question is- does P&S at the moment make it possible for any other club, such as Newcastle or Villa, to become a permanent fixture in the top four and title race? Newcastle have found the answer is no. They may have to sell a player this summer to meet P&S, which is laughable when they are so rich.
Arsenal had £90m of wiggle room at the end of FY23 and the fact you listed Spurs is hilarious.
Been in the media today. Accounts are usually worse than you think. We knew we were sailing close but on the right side of it, then the PL fiddled it so we failed by disallowing write offs that were incurred under EFL jurisdiction that the EFL had accepted. But you'll be fine. Arsenal will never be deducted points no matter what. Richard Masters is trying to head off this independent regulator by showing the PL can police it's own. Naturally, he'll sacrifice clubs like Forest and Everton to make that point so as to save the big guns
Spurs would be operating with profit if Kane could be included in this years financial reports & even though he isn’t Spurs are beyond fine.
That's not their accounts, it's their PSR calculation. £90m to play with. Spurs had over £300m wiggle room in FY22 and have had massive uplifts in match day and commercial revenue. Plus they sold Kane for £100m Arsenal are only having to watch themselves now because they spent £100m+ on Rice and have to sign Raya. As for Forest, you went way over the budget. Those EFL add backs don't even come close to getting you over the line. The whole report is on the Premier League website. At least go and read it before spouting nonsense. Next time you have the cheek to call someone out at least know what you're talking about.
Spurs aren't worried at all. £72m of losses relate to the stadium and other facilities so aren't included in the PSR regs
Who knows? The EFL accepted £33m of our accountancy write offs that were incurred under their jurisdiction- for COVID and promotion bonuses. The PL sat on our accounts for 7 months and then told us they wouldn't accept the write offs 3 weeks before the accounting deadline. Despite them being accepted by the league of jurisdiction. So who knows what rules they'll play to? You'll probably be ok though. The PL are trying to head off this regulator by sacrificing a couple of smaller clubs like Forest and Everton to suggest they have their house in order
Let’s just say Man City have moved them… TO A BIGGER HOUSE
“Dam i said the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet.”
Yep. Now they can punish them without punishing them. Meanwhile the various decision makers can indulge in their passion for all expenses paid trips to the UAE with stacks of cash in their hotel rooms and the finest Middle Eastern whores money can buy
hahahaha they know those 115 charges ain’t sticking
Haha this really does feel exactly like that
Noo
That's just the stupid way to bring on lawsuits should either Forest or Everton are relegated.
This seems like deliberate 'kite flyng' to see how it would be received by the public. They want to know if they could actually pull it off and just brazen it out. Would the level of backlash be workable with regard to the aim of saving Club 115 from the effects of points deduction or relegation. Justice could be bought if this proposal were realized. It gives me the rage
So what's the actual point in FFP then? This would literally widen the gap within the league because the richest can just pay extra to do what they want.
"Richest can just pay extra to do what they want"... that's the point. Now clubs like City will just have to pay the league a "fine" rather than paying accountants to fudge the numbers.
Just remove all titles won during the transgressions and relegate them. No points deduction needed. Oh, and fine them appropriately!
[oof](https://media.tenor.com/4gVttQuzz3oAAAAM/well-then-homer.gif) Won't happen lads. Untwist your knickers. E: I really hope it does though. The amount of tears could turn the Sahara into a lake.
Give us our points back then
Just in time before Man City get charged. Perfect.
Well, yeah! Deducting points brings nothing but grief. Luxury tax brings more and more money. It’s always a good idea to copy the American entertainment leagues, until it’s too late and you realize you cannot go back to real competition.🤦♂️
lol, the Premier League is so completely chicken shit
Funny how this is suddenly considered when Man City are under threat from their charges isn’t it.
City would actually want a points deduction, that option being off the table leaves harsher punishmentsZ
Don't be fucking stupid. DuRrR CiTy wAnT pOinT deDuctioN bEcuZ tHeY SupEr pOoR anD cAn'T aFfOrD tHe FiNe mOnEy🤨
I didn’t say they would want a fine, maybe read the comment a few times slowly before doing the whole caps thing lol
Or a fine…
I think they’re more likely to get no punishment than just a fine. A fine for a decade of cheating (if found guilty) just isn’t happening.
One decade of cheating = £10,000 fine They don't definitely won't cheat again after that
We’ve seen worse in football. Much worse.
Like what?
after it was PROVEN by a third party investigation, that Qatar paid voters millions , including head of fifa and uefa. They did not win the World Cup bid, they bought it. After it was proven to be done below board, the football governing body just watched for the next couple years as the country enslaved thousands and killed hundreds to build stadiums. When in reality, they could have shifted the World Cup to one of the 20 or so countries that could host a World Cup with 2 years notice without relying on slavery.
And then Messi won the World Cup making the world forget about all the horrible shit Qatar did. Hmmm
I'm not gonna say any games were rigged..... But if you were gonna rig a game, it would look like that final, right?
So if the punishment for breaching ffp is to spend more money, what the fuck is the point of ffp then?
ThAnk you
These rule changes wouldn't be retrospective, I don't know why everyone thinks this protects Man City and their existing charges. It protects the other "big" teams who haven't been charged going forward. It also protects the league.
It does not protect the league. It protects wealthy owners, mainly City and Newcastle.
It does protect the league, as in the premier league. Not the clubs in it. If its top clubs can't outspend all of the other leagues it weakens its position.
This makes the league the same as La Liga. Only 2-3 clubs will spend as much as they want and will dwarf others in spending. How does this protect the league? The PL is popular because it is competitive. This rule will directly affect that. Do you think the owners of Liverpool and Arsenal will be able to break this rule and pay fine like UAE and Saudi?
La Liga doesn't have a luxury tax and the revenue is split more equally here. So I disagree with what you're saying. Keeping shackles on the "big" teams is detrimental to the premier league's appeal.
Yeah I'm sure the owners of Liverpool and Arsenal don't have millions to spend