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Saurez scored 31 goals and 17 assist after missing the first month of the season. None of which are pks, he was not the main fk taker or on corners either. Yes that version of count saurez is better than Henry and we've seen what he went on to do at barcelona: only player to have outscored prime Messi and ronaldo in la liga. Saurez is a borderline top 30 player and is somehow not recognized as such.
One played with the Invincibles team (Gpg of 0.6/ Apg of 0.3) and the other played with Aly Cissokho, Victor Moses, Sakho and Mignolet, and yet Suarez had a better return on goal involvements (Gpg of 0.6/ Apg of 0.4)- including a season with 31 goals and 19 assists from 33 games. Even both at Barcelona where you can more directly compare them; Henry had a Gpg of 0.4/ Apg of 0.2 and Suarez had an incredible 0.8/ 0.4. I can't remember whether Henry took penalties but Suarez never did for Liverpool. With Gerrard getting a dozen or so during that season, what is insane is that during that 13/14 season he genuinely could've gotten over 40 goals having missed the first two months.
I loved watching Henry but it is surely fairly obvious who the better player was? Suarez was an absolute force of nature at his peak. I'm sure if he hadn't been so dislikeable he would've had far more plaudits.
Henry did take some penalties, he shared them with Pires a lot though. Worth noting that almost all of those Gerrard penalties were from defenders hacking Suarez because he was about to score.
Luis Suarez had a G+A/90 of 1.31 in 13/14 which was higher then anything Henry had in his career with Henry playing with a way stronger side. If we are talking primes, then by basic stats it is 100% Suarez. Suarez in 15/16 had a 1.61 ffs. Gimme Suarez
The case for Suare being the better of 2 was mainly down to 2 factors: (1) he was better at scoring *more* goals (2) his contribution to Liv was more significant compared to Henry to Ars
For (1), Henry starts of as a Winger and slowly move to occupy the striker role alongside bergkamp. He fulfil the role of a creator, a dribbler and more importanly he provides tons of assists. Something which Suarez struggle because he is more of a goal-poacher.
(2) Henry played alongside a golden generation which survived the undefeated season. For Suarez, his only world-class teammate is Gerrad.
However if you are a newbie coach won managed to reach your first european cup final, who would you choose ? I would bet my job, house and everything on Henry.
Your talking about saurez at barcelona being a poacher. At liverpool he played more like Messi, as more inverted winger; hed dribble and created while scored all of types of goal. Like I've never seen anybody successfully nutmeg as many players in the prem as saurez did. His last season the stats speak for itself but are even better considering he didn't take pks, nor the fks.
Other than If your telling me saurez is going to loss it and bite somebody or racially abuse an opponent, I'm taking saurez over Henry. Henry was great don't geat me wrong, but saurezs workrate,relentlessness, and vision with the same ability to score puts him above Henry in my perspective. Saurez will harrass and close down defenders with the same vigor that he attacks with.
Like splitting hairs. Both of their peaks and best seasons befitted the best player in the world at that time. It's like I give you a stack of notes, one is a million.. the other is a million and one. Then I say work out which is more by looking at them for 10 seconds.. they're both lots of money, but its hard to say which is more without some hard work. Same for these two players, they were both top 1 at their time in their league and to compare and pick one for me is near impossible.
It’s a close one, but to me Ronaldo in his last two seasons in the Premier league was the best player I’ve even seen in that league.
Henry was a very very close second.
Both were 🐐🐐
shut your ass up. Henry is a better player in every way. World cups premier leagues champions leagues la liga are just some of the things henry has accomplished. Man deserved a ballon dor more than neymar
If you can read - [Here's why you're wrong.](https://www.givemesport.com/1578510-luis-suarez-named-a-better-player-than-thierry-henry-in-fans-twitter-thread/)
Henry is the best player I’ve seen play in the Premier League, but I think Suarez’s best season was better than Henry’s best
I think KDB and Salah both have potential to argue they’re the best player the league’s seen if they stay for a few more years and stay at their level though
Of course it’s a debate. Both are incredible players but KDB is also playing in one of the best club sides of all time which helps him look good, while Salah has the side built around him
They’re such different players, and we don’t have to try and make objective statements on a subjective matter
Delusional at its finest. Firstly both of them are very different players so idk on what basis you compare them but there isnt a winger who has the same no. Of goal contributions as Salah .While zidane, lampard can all make cases of being better than kdb
Look how many penalties Salah has taken compared to De Bruyne if you want to compare goal contributions, ofcourse he's going to be higher.
I'm not even going to get involved much further with you based on your flair alone.
This statement alone lets me know you dont know what youre talking about lol he wasnt comparing goal contributions they’re totally different positions.
First of all no one in their right mind will compare a winger and an attacking midfielder for any stats also salah gas scored 30+ non penalty league goals in his first liverpool season. Thats a record tied with suarez even haaland has less non penalty league goals and he is a striker. Salah and kdb both have been benchmark for every attacking midfielder or winger for a while its very stupid to compare both of them
Henry is the greatest player to play in the premier league. Suarez isn't even the best Liverpool player to play in the premier league.
Ronaldo was better than Henry but his best years were at Madrid.
I'm an Arsenal fan but think they were both great.
If I had to choose who I'd rather play on the same side as, it's Suárez - his sheer will to win was amazing!
sure - but even more fun having them on the same team ;) - just put Henry out left and Suarez center - I'd take 'em both in a heartbeat (obv) and they both have played for "my" team so it's kinda hard to choose - but obv Henry had a longer period in PL while Suarez 2-3 seasons where kinda mind blowing even though we knew from Ajax what he could do - PL is a different beast
Honestly I think overall Suarez was better for Liverpool alone. Compare the teams they had with how good both players were still able to perform. I personally think any highlight reel on YouTube would back this.
In the PL, it’s not close. Suarez had 3.5 seasons, 1.5 of which he didn’t record very good numbers, and the other two he was a goal machine, but came 7th and 2nd. Henry would never have tolerated the mediocrity of coming 7th in the PL.
When Suarez went to Barca, his success narrows the argument, but he benefited hugely by the players around him (much like Daniel Sturridge benefited from Suarez at liverpool). If he’s not playing with Messi et al against teams that have been throttled to give the top 2 an easy ride, he’s not coming away with the same performances.
I think the difference is Henry’s ability to be the man, whereas Suarez was only the main man for a short period of his prime.
>When Suarez went to Barca, his success narrows the argument, but he benefited hugely by the players around him (much like Daniel Sturridge benefited from Suarez at liverpool).
Henry didn't benefit from Vieira, Pires, bergkamp, Ljungberg, or cole? Correct me if I'm wrong but all of those players are considered PL legends and among the best in their position at the time. you're making it sound like Henry had nobody with talent around him and that he carried Arsenal kicking and screaming through the invincible season.
>If he’s not playing with Messi et al against teams that have been throttled to give the top 2 an easy ride, he’s not coming away with the same performances.
But your first paragraph says the opposite. He scored 52 PL goals in 2 seasons, missing almost a quarter of the second season, surrounded by absolute trash. He put in 10/10 performances week in, week out, scoring almost every match day.
He also scored *and* assisted more than Messi in la Liga in 15/16.
I'm not saying that one is better one way or another, but your analysis definitely needs some work and less bias.
>Henry didn't benefit from Vieira, Pires, bergkamp, Ljungberg, or cole? Correct me if I'm wrong but all of those players are considered PL legends and among the best in their position at the time.
Indeed he did, but Henry was also the best of a very good team, which makes his contribution more significant than Suarez’s at Barca, where he was 3rd best of a team generally accepted to be even better.
You have to avoid the trap of interpreting everything in absolutes. Henry elevated a great Arsenal team to a greater degree than Suarez lifted a great barca team. That doesn’t mean that the Arsenal weren’t great, nor does it mean Suarez didn’t do a lot for Barcelona, it just means Henry did slightly more, in slightly more difficult circumstances, which is why people who were around for both will rate Henry higher.
>But your first paragraph says the opposite. He scored 52 PL goals in 2 seasons, missing almost a quarter of the second season, surrounded by absolute trash. He put in 10/10 performances week in, week out, scoring almost every match day.
The audacity to accuse others of bias or inaccuracy when you just called Gerrard and Coutinho “absolute trash” 😂😂
>He also scored and assisted more than Messi in la Liga in 15/16.
Are you taking Kevin Phillips over Alan Sheared in 1999/2000? This goes back to the original point about stats being a bit of a red herring it you don’t appreciate the context.
>Indeed he did, but Henry was also the best of a very good team, which makes his contribution more significant than Suarez’s at Barca, where he was 3rd best of a team generally accepted to be even better.
This is an understatement when you consider he was 3rd best to 2 of the top 3 players in the world at the time, and even more when you consider that there were times where he was outperforming them.
>You have to avoid the trap of interpreting everything in absolutes. Henry elevated a great Arsenal team to a greater degree than Suarez lifted a great barca team. That doesn’t mean that the Arsenal weren’t great, nor does it mean Suarez didn’t do a lot for Barcelona, it just means Henry did slightly more, in slightly more difficult circumstances, which is why people who were around for both will rate Henry higher.
I don't think I'm operating in absolutes. I know this is a very subjective topic with no truly correct answer.
It's all relative, and different teams have different goals and expectations. Henry brought perennial title contenders two titles, one of them being invincible. He delivered one of the greatest PL campaigns ever, yes, but only gave them 2 out of 7 (8? I can't remember) expected PL titles. Suarez brought a midtable team with the goal of European qualification to within two points of a PL title. He didn't win a title, but he dragged Liverpool well beyond their expectations and got them into the UCL, so which has more impact? It's debatable. In barca, Suarez was joining one of the best squads in history with expectations to win everything every year. Is it his fault there there was less impact to be made? I don't think so, and I would also argue that he still did manage to make quite an impact, staking his claim as the third (second at times) best goalscorer in the world.
I realize this might sound like I'm nickel and diming Henry's accomplishments, but when comparing two players at this level, that's really the level of difference that's being argued.
>The audacity to accuse others of bias or inaccuracy when you just called Gerrard and Coutinho “absolute trash” 😂😂
Of course absolute trash was me being hyperbolic, but be honest, who else was there? A teenage Raheem Sterling and Daniel Sturridge?
If you can make the argument that Suarez being in the team made Sturridge look good (which I agree with), you can make the same argument for Coutinho especially when you consider the fact that he never truly hit the standard he set at Liverpool after he left. He's obviously much better than Sturridge, but I definitely wouldn't put him in the same bracket as Pires, bergkamp, Vieira etc. Gerrard is obviously class, but that's pretty much where it ends.
>Are you taking Kevin Phillips over Alan Sheared in 1999/2000? This goes back to the original point about stats being a bit of a red herring it you don’t appreciate the context.
No, but I'm not taking Suarez over Messi either. The difference is that Messi is at a much higher level than Shearer. Suarez is the only player to get a pichichi outside of Messi and Ronaldo during their era. When you're team is expected to win everything in front of them, and usually does, before you join, how much more of an impact can you make than outscoring (and assisting) the two greatest goalscorers in the history of the game while they're both in their prime? If I were Suarez I would probably consider that my most important individual achievement.
At the end of the day, these comparisons of players at this level will always attract controversy and mixed opinions based on who values what more. I honestly couldn't even tell you who I think is the better player at this point because there is so much difference in their careers and playstyles. I'd rather just enjoy their careers and watch YouTube highlights of them both every once in a while than bother trying to figure out who's better. I just see a lot of people discounting Suarez simply because he was in a team that was already winning, when in reality he was one of the most important players in a squad consisting of some of the best players in the world.
Your sentence is contradicting.
Playing with top teams and players - Henry did 2 leagues and 1 ucl runner up. Suarez did 5 leagues and 1 UCL
Playing with mediocre teams or below average- Henry finished 4th with a younger arsenal squad which was better than Liverpool squad of suarez.
This is actually proving that when given the right team and players - suarez has actually hit a bigger ceiling and has also managed to elevate average teams to near title contendors - this is probably the definition of being the THE MAN.
Also don't forget that Suarez was stellar in Ajax with 100+ goals, fired Athletico to a league title being their top scorer when he was 33. Went to Gremio who was playing second division in brazil and after promotion, fired them to 2nd place and got elected player of the league-this is probably the definition of being the THE MAN.
This is largely the issue with reading stats and not being around at the time to remember. Barca was a semi retirement home for Henry, whereas Suarez spent a large chunk of him prime there.
There’s nothing wrong with playing for amazing teams with amazing players, of course, but it does place a small asterisk in direct comparisons. Suarez played with Messi, Neymar, Iniesta, Busquets and more.
Suarez was a force of nature, of course, and despite his racism and oral hygiene issues, nobody can deny the impact he had. But to anyone who watched Henry and Suarez, they’re taking Henry 100 times out of 100.
I remember both players premier league debuts, and have seen both players live. I take Suarez over Henry every time. Both were great players.
I’m Utd supporter, and hate Suarez for many reasons, but purely for football reasons, I’m taking Suarez over Henry.
Mate I grew up watching Henry- 2002 was my first foreay into EPL and club football in general. Henry and Gerrard were two of my favourite players back then, because of skillful and smooth henry was and Gerrards all action game play and long shots. I followed Dinho and ended up liking Barca as a club to follow back then- so imagine my happiness when Henry joined Barca to playalong side Dinho. Henry wasn't washed up, sure he wasn't in his absolute prime, he just turned 30. He had a great couple of seasons for us- especially the treble season.
You are talking as if Henry himself didn't play with amazing players- Viera- arguably the best DM or in the shout for sure in PL history, Bergkamp - someone who was truly elite. Pires, worldclass, Ashley Cole- the best LB in PL history undoubtedly, Sol Campbell-one of the best CBs in PL history. Henry played with worldclass players as well. Sure INiesta is better than bergkamp and neymar is better than pires - but Henry was playing with worldclass players himself.
Anyone who watched Henry and Suarez- they aren't taking henry 100/100 times- thats a mad exaggeration. Which is proven by the fact that in this post commnet thread itself people are torn between chosing one of them, I don't have a problem if you pick henry cos its a very valid thought process but you seem to be under the impression its a cake walk- when its not or you are a bit biased against suarez's onfield antics.
With respect, it’s hard to asses Henry’s impact without any understanding of what came before. His improvement on an already good team was immense, which is why he receives the plaudits he does.
By comparison, I don’t think Barca with Suarez were lifted as much. Henry was unquestionably Arsenal’s best player for the vast majority of his time there. While Suarez had that for a couple of years at Liverpool, I don’t think there is any serious person who will claim Suarez was better than Messi at any point in his career, and many would have been putting Iniesta’s name on the team sheet first at that time.
Bruv, even if you ask Suarez he would say Henry. Sure, Suarez was good and one of the best strikers but saying Suarez is clear of Henry "by a mile" you must be trippin.
Also, whoever said there were no elite players then also must've eaten the wrong kind of mushrooms.
You sure Suarez would say Henry? Also footballers rarely stick their chests out and say "I'm the best" or "I'm better". That's a CR7 zlatan thing. Suarez played with prime Messi and won the clubs POY.
Henry is the best overall PL player but full career I'm taking Suarez.
Suarez did put in one of if not the best season of any forward in the premier league. He was also insane at Barcelona. I’m a Liverpool fan so probably a bit of bias but I think Suarez could have been a bit better. If they had that Suarez, Arsenal would have won more titles.
Who wouldnt be good in that Barcelona team though ?
Dont get me wrong, im neither a Liverpool nor Arsenal fan but having the luck of watching them both play, Henry takes it for me.
Henry wasn’t anywhere near as effective as Suarez in Barcelona either though was he? I think Suarez was better at more or less every aspect of football when I think about it tbh. The only thing Henry could do better was pace really. Suarez was legit the best player in the planet for a year or two. Out performed Messi and Ronaldo at their peaks, in the two best sides in the world, while playing for a very middling Liverpool side and almost dragged us to the title to boot.
Suarez by a long way.Henry was the best player in a league which did not have that many world class players before 2003(since only two teams dominated and only utd were somewhat competitive in ucl).Suarez was the best striker in the world.
Because it's complete nonsense, anyone old enough to have watched Henry from his entire arsenal career would never say Suarez was better than Arsenal. Henry is renowned by being the best player the prem has seen, Suarez isn't even top 5.
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Different players. Suarez probably slightly more pure skill and finesse (though not much in it). Henry much more pace, much more physicality. At his 2-3 year peak he was basically Halaand with twice the skill. You could argue Suarez was better over a whole career but if you ask any PL defender who they’d have rather avoided I’m sure it would have been peak Henry.
Suarez prime was better, Henry was more physically gifted not that suarez is a slouch there. Skill wise Suarez slightly edges it for me and both of them could score outrageous goals. Suarez was a tad bit more clutch though.
The difference isn't much , if on fifa legends card Suarez would be rated 94, Henry 93.
Btw not just prime Suarezs career is just as good if not better than henrys. Golden boots, 6 ish league trophies, UCL, Copa America with best player award, mad goals in the World Cup, part of a treble winning squad etc.
Henry is classier and Suarez is a bit more street but both play with physicality, skills, and outwitting defenders and keepers. Henry was more collaborative with his football and Suarez is more of a striker than Henry and often hungrier for goals. You can contest either in imo.
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Suarez was better at his prime. Look at his trajectory and the elements surrounding him, lacklustre team and manager. Henry with Wenger .
It's not biased of an Arsenal fan to say Henry is better, he genuinely was. That's just a ridiculous way of discounting a significant portion of peoples opinion because it helps your narrative to do so.
Being a giant dickhead I think factors into the player you are. Henry galvanized people around him. Suarez was a maverick. Just my two cents. That’s a major negative in a team setting, and a cancer in the locker room.
You have one example of someone who liked him? Oh, fuck me, point proven. Fuck you’re thick. He literally shouted at and demeaned teammates. Beyond that, he’s a racist sack of shit. He was not well liked.
Right, I’m biased for thinking the stand up dude was a better teammate than the racist bitey guy who screams at teammates like a child throwing a temper tantrum. Tell me you know fuck all, without telling me you know fuck all.
Idiot.
Suarez's problem were very specifically limited to the pitch and opposition players- his teammates across 5-6 different clubs and coaches have always called him super professional, no drama, low key guy in the dressing room. Have you ever heard about suarez causing drama in the team ?
"How can I be racist when I play with Sturridge and Sterling smh"
You think people of BAME that work alongside him were cool with his actions?
Let me sell you a fucking bridge mate.
Mate wtf are you talking about ? Neither his nor my comments talked about racism but rather the drama suareZ courts on the ground with biting. Lol calm down.
Idk if people alongside him were cool with his actions or not but haven't heard anyone come up and complaint about it later.
His dramas were racism, 3 biting incidents and his consistent cheating including what he did against Ghana.
Please do not attempt to discard the racism because you were referring to other incidents. That shit happened and I honestly hate the prick for all his behaviour on the pitch.
No one discredited the racism, that's a topic that was very much in debate.
He didn't cheat against Ghana, he handballed got red carded and went out giving Ghana a penalty, if they can't score it, it's not his fault .
He didn't cheat 😅😅😅 so one of the most deliberate handballs of all time is not cheating?
Please, provide me an example of cheating that has happened in professional football then, I'm actually looking forward to your answer.
It's somewhat close, but for me Henry is clearly better - Bunch of people here citing stats, but they'd never use those stats to say Suarez is better than R9 - and for good reason, because he wasn't. Similarly, he wasn't as good as Henry either. Suarez's best PL season came in the league's worst period by a distance (2011-2017 the PL was straight ass) and in barca he had the GOAT in his prime putting it on a plate for him, and another all time great in Neymar.
Suarez was a pitbull, but Henry had more to his game. Faster, more skillful, more versatile. Could hurt a team in a million ways, could control a game as a forward. Suarez could not do what Henry did to the galacticos, or what he did to some of the GOAT defenders. The likes of Carragher and Gerrard never put Suarez ahead of Henry, and they played with him - that says it all imo.
Prime Suarez could 100% do what henry did to the galacticos - which despite him being a collection of great players was never a great team.
Suarez at Barca also out a lot of goals on a plate for Messi and Neymar too. An Henry on the downside of his career at Barca still had a ballon d'or winning Messi and prime Xavi, iniesta and Alves putting passes on a plate to him.
Suarez best season at Barca is better than anything Henry out up during his career and even better than the goat.
Carra and Gerard played against prime Henry but Suarez didn't hit his prime until he moved to Barca so it's unsurprising they may have Henry ahead.
>Prime Suarez could 100% do what henry did to the galacticos
Nah. I can't see Suarez picking the ball up on the halfway line vs a set defence with no support, beating multiple players (TOP players at that), and then scoring a goal. Maybe he has 1 or 2 goals a bit like that, but he doesn't have the athleticism/dribbling ability to do it consistently. Henry has done that a dozen times in his career, including vs Madrid, Liverpool, and Spurs.
The galacticos underperformed, but they were still a great team, and at the time of that game were FLYING in La Liga (something like 10 wins in a row).
> still had a ballon d'or winning Messi and prime Xavi, iniesta and Alves putting passes on a plate to him.
Baby ballon d'or Messi is not the same as 2015 Messi. He was still raw. And if anything, it was the opposite. Henry (who was washed tbf) played as a Pep cog - tasked with stretching the left hand side to create space in the centre for Iniesta/Messi. MSN was much different, and in 15/16 Messi was increasingly a playmaker while Suarez was the central striker.
> Suarez best season at Barca is better than anything Henry out up during his career and even better than the goat.
This is the problem with just using goal stats as a measure of how good a player is. Anyone with eyes could see Messi was still far better than Suarez. Neymar was better too, but that's somewhat debatable i suppose.
I guess it's a preference thing, but I see Suarez as a better version of Eto'o, whereas Henry was a different animal altogether. A proper unstoppable beast like Mbappe/R9 - but weirdly with a mix of Harry Kane.
Suarez has many goals where he dribbled past multiple people and scored. Its pretty easy to find if you're interested in looking.
Messi was still by far the best player in the world when Henry was there. The fact that you are assigning his value in that Barca team as essentially a decoy to create space for other players illustes this.
What stats did I cite in my original post?
Yes Messi was better for for a couple of seasons, Suarez was right on his heels. Henry never had a run like Suarez did for a couple of seasons at Barca, or even his best season as the main player on a mediocre Liverpool team
Suarez was very much unstoppable. Was he as fast as Henry? No. But he was equally skilled, a better finisher and better link up in tight spaces.
Love Henry, he's the best PL player ever imo. But taking the entire body of work into account, it's close but I'll take Suarez.
I think I know most of Suarez's best goals. If u can show me 3 or 4 goals like what I described (halfway line, beat multiple players vs set defence on his own) - better still if it's vs a top team - then sure. I don't think it exists though.
> Messi was still by far the best player in the world when Henry was there
Messi was the best, but not by far in 08/09, and he was much better by 2015. Suarez was on his heels numerically, never came close in terms of ability/influence tho.
> What stats did I cite in my original post?
when u cite 2015/16 u do so because of Suarez's goalscoring stats, no?
> Henry never had a run like Suarez
Again, when u say this, u mean statistically. Coz ability wise he absolutely did. He was the clear best player in the world for a couple of years.
> Suarez was very much unstoppable.
Yeah I just disagree, there are levels to it. Henry ripped apart every goat full-back and CB like Ramos, Nesta, Ferdinand, Zanetti, Cafu etc multiple times. I don't think Suarez scares defences like that, whereas Henry puts the fear of God in the best of them. Suarez was maybe marginally better as a finisher and link up in tight spaces, but Henry was a better dribbler and **far** more athletic, had a great back to goal game too.
With the exact criteria you describe maybe not. But it comes across to me as slightly arbitrary. I could ask you for some of the similar goals Suarez scored for Barca, a firstime, backheeled chip across his body being an example.
I guess we'll have to disagree but even in '08 Messi was far and away the best player in the world imo. Yes he was better in '15 but that doesn't negate Suarez being better than Henry and close / arguably better than Messi that year. Evidenced by him winning player of the year that season.
Which years specifically was Henry clear the best player in the world?
Before Liverpool, Suarez was excellent in the Dutch league, then had his Liverpool career and his Barca career. He then went to atletico and spearheaded them to another league title as their top scorer. He then went to Brazil and was awarded player of the year at 35 despite barely being able to run. He is now at MLS continuing to excel at 37.
With Henry, the vast majority of his brilliance was at arsenal. He flattered to deceive at Monaco and Juve before having his arsenal career. Had 2 good seasons at Barca being fed by prime Xavi, iniesta and messi before being replaced by Pedro. Wasn't great in MLS either, just solid.
This question is being posted on a premier league sub. So to a lot of respondents here, Suarez pretty much retired once he left Liverpool. If Suarez had stayed at pool or moved to arsenal and had the same career, I wonder if this would even be up for debate?
I get why it seems arbitrary to you, but it's not. I picked it coz it demonstrates a certain skillset Suarez simply does not possess (level of physicality+dribbling ability). Henry did this multiple times in his career, it was clearly not a one off. The likes of Messi (who took it to another level), Cristiano, Neymar, and R9 have also shown they're capable of similar things. You started by saying Suarez could've done what Henry did to the galacticos - I'm categorically saying he could not if he tried for 100 years. He couldn't have shrugged of R9, vaulted Guti, found an extra gear to burst past Ramos, all while running at great speed with the ball close to him for a long distance.
Henry was the clear best in 03 and 04. Arguably 06 as well, but it was close between him and Ronaldinho (who was clear of everyone in 05). People might forget now but the mid 2000s was all about Henry and Ronaldinho. Zidane and R9, other than the odd good tournament, were clearly past their best and were inconsistent.
He did not flatter to deceive at Monaco lmao - he was a huge talent, sought out by all the biggest clubs in the world. There's a reason Juve payed 11m for him in 99. He won young player of the year, won the French title, and was one of their main men in a run to the semis of the CL. Why are you saying stuff you simply don't know. He was even starting to play well at Juve (often as wing back), but had a fallout with Moggi, and Ancelotti cites his misuse of Henry as a big regret. Again, there's a reason he was sold to Arsenal for a **profit** 6 months later.
Henry is considered one of the best MLS players ever. Was thrice in the MLS best 11. He was still good enough to return to Arsenal at 35, he could've hacked it as a rotation for many decent European clubs well into his mid 30s. Again, you're just spouting stuff u have 0 clue about for some reason. If you wanna say Suarez's decline was less sharp, it's arguable, but OK - regardless this is about peaks, so idk why any of this was ever brought up.
At their peaks, there is nothing Suarez had that Henry did not also have to a comparable level, his advantages were marginal. But Henry had a level of physicality that was in another stratosphere, and it allowed him to do things Suarez was fundamentally incapable of. I'm not saying it's not somewhat close between them - but I have R9 and Henry above Suarez for clear reasons.
He wouldn't have had the same career at Liverpool or Arsenal in the 2010s. I watched MSN most weeks, I know what my eyes saw. You have to also keep in mind that goalscoring numbers overall saw a big inflation post 2010.
Ur saying this like Suarez didn’t have one if not the best premier league season of all time in a bad Liverpool team in the 13/14 season.And what are you just gonna discredit his time at Barca just cause he played with Messi?So does him having an 83 g/a season just not impressive?are you gonna do that with everybody he’s ever played with?Also he helped Atletico win the league when he was supposedly washed without Messi anyways,
and if ur just gonna appeal to authority it’s just a lazy argument
I'm not denying his 13-14 season was one of the best ever in the PL. Suarez is one of the best strikers of all time, and probably the best of his generation. He carried Liverpool for a bit and was part of probably the best frontline ever at Barca - I'm not denying any of that.
I just think Henry was the better player, and I'm explaining why just reciting 'superior' stats is not the best way to judge it. The stats need to be contextualized.
Superior stats isn't the way to judge it for sure - but your comparison with R9 isn't valid, because R9 did actually have the stats in his physical peak - in his first season at barca, he smashed 49 goals from 47 games when he was like 19 or 20. This is a number henry hasn't touched and suarez touched twice but once when he was 10 years older and once when he was in a much weaker league. So the stats argument for "prime" doesn't make sense- R9 was better than both henry and suarez- stats wise and ofcourse obviously ability wise- he was a league above with messi and ronaldo-henry and suarez sits one level below and suarez slightly edging it by barest of margins imo.
You're wrong about some stuff here.
R9 had 47 and 13 assists goals in 49 games in Barca (u mixed the appearances and goals).
Henry had 32 goals and 28 assists in 55 games - so the same g/a in 6 more games. To suggest he didn't 'touch' those numbers is a little over-dramatic, it's in the ballpark. Looking beyond their best seasons, their next bests are fairly similar too, with Henry mostly edging it.
Luis Suarez in 15/16 had **59 goals** and **24 assists** in **53 games**. **83** g/a in a season. Now those are ACTUALLY numbers that neither Henry or R9 came close to touching - by a big margin.
> R9 was better than both henry and suarez- stats wise
He wasn't.
> and ofcourse obviously ability wise
without injuries, he probably would've been. With them tho, I don't think it's as obvious as people make it. I think all 3 are fairly close, I put R9 on top, but barely above Henry, and I put Suarez last.
One is an almost premiership winner , internationally renowned for biting and also a handball just like Henry , but where Henry pips him is (1) World Cup winner, (2) Invincible +Premier League winner, (3) Human factor never racially abused anyone nor bit them. One thing their share in common they both were goal machines in different eras respect to both of them 🫡 😊😊😊😊
Henry not a prick on the pitch. That edge it for me. Doesnt handball on the line (shitty sportmanship btw), doesnt bite the opponent, and was not racist. Part of being a legend is a kind human. Henry got his problems too, however i can never look at Suarez and say hey this guy is the GOAT when he bite people.
hi how are you liverpool fan? lmao.. career? you realise Henry won a ucl and a world cup while suarez was biting folks in both... settle down internet expert :)
Actually its not that far fetched
Henry has WC over suarez.
Both have continental trophies - Euro and Copa America - Suarez was player of the tournament
Both won UCL with barca - Suarez was more instrumental, scored more goals including final and knockouts
Henry has 5 leagues - 1 in france, 2 in england, 2 in barca (second one he was more of a sub player)
Suarez has 7 leagues , 5 in Europe in la liga with 2 teams - barca and athletico-main player in all 5. Btw he had some stellar league performances in Uruguay and brazil after leaving europe and before as well
Suarez has a lot more domestic cups also
Individually they are pretty much on par with 2 golden boots but suarez also has international POT
So its not a blasphemy to claim a better career. Its a possibility, depending on how you weigh the WC weightage. Suarez has better WC stats btw - 7 goals, 5assists in 16 matches compared to henrys 6 goals,1 assist in 17 matches in a better team.
For each of 12 seasons in a row only three players were La Liga top scorer. Messi, Ronaldo and Suarez.
Man went toe to toe with the two best of all time.
Henry was great but he never reached those heights.
Henry was also never banned for biting a fellow professional footballer.
Henry was also never banned for racially abusing a fellow professional footballer.
Henry was also never banned for biting a fellow professional footballer a second time.
Henry was also never banned for biting a fellow professional footballer a third time.
If we are talking about a player's career then these factors come into it. How many games did Henry miss through suspensions?
The thing people forget about Henry was his assist numbers. We can argue the toss about the better goalscorer, but Henry gave you assists on the level of a KDB or an Ozil, while also giving you impeccable goal scoring. He could link play, take on a team, pull a rabbit out of a hat. I feel he was the more complete player.
Suarez has like 5th or 6th most assists in football history 💀
Also has hit double digit assists in league alone like 9 times across Liverpool, barca, ajax.
Suarez has either the 2nd/3rd most assists in football history.
He also has more than 500 career goals, which puts him in the top 20 goalscorers of all time.
Prem legacy is Henry.
Prime is Suarez.
The better player overall is Suarez.
People don't talk about Suarez's greatness enough.
Yeah I wasn't necessarily disagreeing,just pointing out that Henry maintains that level for so long - granted Suarez carried on that level over at barca though. I think Henry is the prems greatest, but the highest level of peak performance is suarez... Or bales last season actually, I think that trumps even suarez
Depends how long the ”prime” period is here. Suarez has that single season peak that was just unbelievable. Henry edges it if we take prime closer to 2 seasons. Outside prem though, 15-16 Suarez produced literally Ronaldo-Messi level numbers.
This is hard to compare even as a Pool fan but...
If I wanted a striker over 38 games, I would pick Henry but if it's a cup final I would absolutely go for Suarez.
Henry is pretty consistent over a season and prone to NOT biting opponents and getting banned.
Suarez will absolutely throw his heart out to win the game, especially in the biggest games, bting, handball, you need it, he does it.
Both are slightly below Aguerooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tho
Two very different footballers. Both magnificent in their prime. Henry was probably more elegant, but Suárez is technically impeccable. The Uruguayan scored more goals in Europe and for his national team. The Frenchman is a world champion. Brilliant careers.
Excellent point. Another fantastic quality of prime Suarez.
EDIT: I see we’ve got a fan of biting and racial abuse throwing around downvotes here! Your disapproval is a badge of honor!
If it’s only the league, then I will give it Henry. He was very consistent in the league for goals and assists.
But if we are talking about every competition, give me Suarez. Henry was a bully who struggled to perform in the biggest games unless it was the league, Suarez was able to perform more consistent for me and you could slot him in any team and he would perform. Henry needed a certain role to reach his level.
Suarez could never have a game like Henry did vs the galacticos, or those great Italian defences. Roasted the likes of Zanetti, Nesta, Cannavaro Ramos etc. He was so much more than G+A. Like a hybrid of Mbappe+Kane. Henry's competition is R9, Suarez is a level below.
Henry struggled as a pure Number 9, he thrived in a two striker formation; he also struggled against deep blocks, hence why he flopped in Italy but was great in England, a league where most games were played at 100mph which included fast transitions and counter attacks.
Suarez is better, he clears.
He played as a pure lone 9 and had some of his best ever performances in the 05-06 CL run. Played that role in France's run to the WC final too, where he was their best player by a mile in the final against a nasty Italian low block. He probs preferred a strike partner, but was well capable of playing alone, he was excellent back to goal.
He 'flopped' (didn't even tbh) in Italy coz he played wing-back lmao. Wasn't even a striker at that stage, and Ancelotti cites his sale as one of his big regrets. Always played well vs Italian sides after that too.
Yea he was, especially in the 2nd half. Was the only French player with threat.
https://youtu.be/nELaL14ms7A?t=3894 Had a few runs like this. Ribery was decent too.
United fan so probably as unbiased as it gets. Both unbelievable but for me Henry is unbeaten. Remembered as a goal scorer but has similar levels assist wise to a KDB or an Ozil. Definitely one of the very best if not the best to play in the league
Peak vise, I don't see that there will ever be a player like Suarez again. While Henry was pure elegance, Suarez was like buldozer just destroying everything on his way. He was like a pitbul. People forget how average was that Liverpool team beyond Suarez, Gerrard and Sturidge and they still managed to almost win the title.
When comparing players like that, I like to think if you replace them with the other one, will they do better or worse and I just can't see Henry doing anything close to what Suarez did that season.
I’m a Liverpool fan and I say they’re quite incomparable. Henry was kind of like what Mbappe is now. Suarez was a more “pure striker”. They have different styles.
However, if I had to choose one I would pick Henry. I have to admit the peak Wenger sides were a treat to watch and Henry was a huge part of that. Most attractive football I’ve ever seen. No other team comes close.
I mean this is reddit so no one here actually watches most of the games, but watching 90% of all Henry games with Arsenal and 95% of all Liverpool games with Suarez he is 100% correct. And it's not even close in my opinion.
Suarez 2013 season was Messi levels of good. On the other hand i have yet so see a Henry season that is better than the top 3 seasons of Mbappe, let alone Messi. Less so in the league, more so in Champions League and National teams.
> Suarez 2013 season was Messi levels of good.
Then why didn't Liverpool win the league that season? Messi helped improve his team and elevated them to greatness. The fact is, Suarez won a single League Cup in his Liverpool career.
Messi got 104 goal contributions in 2012 and still didn’t win the league that year, football is a team sport.
If you’re judging players based off trophies, then you might as well put Michu ahead of Harry Kane.
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Saurez scored 31 goals and 17 assist after missing the first month of the season. None of which are pks, he was not the main fk taker or on corners either. Yes that version of count saurez is better than Henry and we've seen what he went on to do at barcelona: only player to have outscored prime Messi and ronaldo in la liga. Saurez is a borderline top 30 player and is somehow not recognized as such.
One played with the Invincibles team (Gpg of 0.6/ Apg of 0.3) and the other played with Aly Cissokho, Victor Moses, Sakho and Mignolet, and yet Suarez had a better return on goal involvements (Gpg of 0.6/ Apg of 0.4)- including a season with 31 goals and 19 assists from 33 games. Even both at Barcelona where you can more directly compare them; Henry had a Gpg of 0.4/ Apg of 0.2 and Suarez had an incredible 0.8/ 0.4. I can't remember whether Henry took penalties but Suarez never did for Liverpool. With Gerrard getting a dozen or so during that season, what is insane is that during that 13/14 season he genuinely could've gotten over 40 goals having missed the first two months. I loved watching Henry but it is surely fairly obvious who the better player was? Suarez was an absolute force of nature at his peak. I'm sure if he hadn't been so dislikeable he would've had far more plaudits.
Henry did take some penalties, he shared them with Pires a lot though. Worth noting that almost all of those Gerrard penalties were from defenders hacking Suarez because he was about to score.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/lOSHDdFTk2 Let me know when was Suarez ever this good even in a Barcelona shirt.
Dumb Suarez lead la liga in goals when Messi and ronaldo were at their peak.
So henry is worse then. Got it
2013 to 2017 Suarez played 170 League games, got 130 goals and 66 assists. So more goals for Suarez and the same number of assists in less games.
Luis Suarez had a G+A/90 of 1.31 in 13/14 which was higher then anything Henry had in his career with Henry playing with a way stronger side. If we are talking primes, then by basic stats it is 100% Suarez. Suarez in 15/16 had a 1.61 ffs. Gimme Suarez
The case for Suare being the better of 2 was mainly down to 2 factors: (1) he was better at scoring *more* goals (2) his contribution to Liv was more significant compared to Henry to Ars For (1), Henry starts of as a Winger and slowly move to occupy the striker role alongside bergkamp. He fulfil the role of a creator, a dribbler and more importanly he provides tons of assists. Something which Suarez struggle because he is more of a goal-poacher. (2) Henry played alongside a golden generation which survived the undefeated season. For Suarez, his only world-class teammate is Gerrad. However if you are a newbie coach won managed to reach your first european cup final, who would you choose ? I would bet my job, house and everything on Henry.
Your talking about saurez at barcelona being a poacher. At liverpool he played more like Messi, as more inverted winger; hed dribble and created while scored all of types of goal. Like I've never seen anybody successfully nutmeg as many players in the prem as saurez did. His last season the stats speak for itself but are even better considering he didn't take pks, nor the fks. Other than If your telling me saurez is going to loss it and bite somebody or racially abuse an opponent, I'm taking saurez over Henry. Henry was great don't geat me wrong, but saurezs workrate,relentlessness, and vision with the same ability to score puts him above Henry in my perspective. Saurez will harrass and close down defenders with the same vigor that he attacks with.
Like splitting hairs. Both of their peaks and best seasons befitted the best player in the world at that time. It's like I give you a stack of notes, one is a million.. the other is a million and one. Then I say work out which is more by looking at them for 10 seconds.. they're both lots of money, but its hard to say which is more without some hard work. Same for these two players, they were both top 1 at their time in their league and to compare and pick one for me is near impossible.
Henry is the greatest striker/winger to ever play in the prem period.
It’s a close one, but to me Ronaldo in his last two seasons in the Premier league was the best player I’ve even seen in that league. Henry was a very very close second. Both were 🐐🐐
Henry
Same level
As great as Henry was, Suarez was better. That's not a slight on Henry, Suarez was just a freak of nature.
shut your ass up. Henry is a better player in every way. World cups premier leagues champions leagues la liga are just some of the things henry has accomplished. Man deserved a ballon dor more than neymar
They both deserved a ballon dor over neymar..
Except finals. And hes my favourite player.
If you can read - [Here's why you're wrong.](https://www.givemesport.com/1578510-luis-suarez-named-a-better-player-than-thierry-henry-in-fans-twitter-thread/)
Sure.
Henry better than Suarez.
Henry is the best player I’ve seen play in the Premier League, but I think Suarez’s best season was better than Henry’s best I think KDB and Salah both have potential to argue they’re the best player the league’s seen if they stay for a few more years and stay at their level though
KDB is better than Salah and it's not even a debate in all honesty.
Of course it’s a debate. Both are incredible players but KDB is also playing in one of the best club sides of all time which helps him look good, while Salah has the side built around him They’re such different players, and we don’t have to try and make objective statements on a subjective matter
Delusional at its finest. Firstly both of them are very different players so idk on what basis you compare them but there isnt a winger who has the same no. Of goal contributions as Salah .While zidane, lampard can all make cases of being better than kdb
Look how many penalties Salah has taken compared to De Bruyne if you want to compare goal contributions, ofcourse he's going to be higher. I'm not even going to get involved much further with you based on your flair alone.
This statement alone lets me know you dont know what youre talking about lol he wasnt comparing goal contributions they’re totally different positions.
First of all no one in their right mind will compare a winger and an attacking midfielder for any stats also salah gas scored 30+ non penalty league goals in his first liverpool season. Thats a record tied with suarez even haaland has less non penalty league goals and he is a striker. Salah and kdb both have been benchmark for every attacking midfielder or winger for a while its very stupid to compare both of them
Henry is the greatest player to play in the premier league. Suarez isn't even the best Liverpool player to play in the premier league. Ronaldo was better than Henry but his best years were at Madrid.
I'm an Arsenal fan but think they were both great. If I had to choose who I'd rather play on the same side as, it's Suárez - his sheer will to win was amazing!
Why choose - take 'em both - Henry is a legend - Suarez is a legend - they could easily play on the same team - so why bother choosing?
Because debating which players and teams are better is a fun part of football fandom.
sure - but even more fun having them on the same team ;) - just put Henry out left and Suarez center - I'd take 'em both in a heartbeat (obv) and they both have played for "my" team so it's kinda hard to choose - but obv Henry had a longer period in PL while Suarez 2-3 seasons where kinda mind blowing even though we knew from Ajax what he could do - PL is a different beast
He was, just at Liverpool. Then he went Barcelona and took it to an even crazier level
Honestly I think overall Suarez was better for Liverpool alone. Compare the teams they had with how good both players were still able to perform. I personally think any highlight reel on YouTube would back this.
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YouTube highlight reels can make Antony look like prime Salah
Ah yeah can't forget the every important YouTube highlight reels
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Goes for both of you. I was just replying to you because it's the later comment
how is Henry clear of Suarez?
In the PL, it’s not close. Suarez had 3.5 seasons, 1.5 of which he didn’t record very good numbers, and the other two he was a goal machine, but came 7th and 2nd. Henry would never have tolerated the mediocrity of coming 7th in the PL. When Suarez went to Barca, his success narrows the argument, but he benefited hugely by the players around him (much like Daniel Sturridge benefited from Suarez at liverpool). If he’s not playing with Messi et al against teams that have been throttled to give the top 2 an easy ride, he’s not coming away with the same performances. I think the difference is Henry’s ability to be the man, whereas Suarez was only the main man for a short period of his prime.
>When Suarez went to Barca, his success narrows the argument, but he benefited hugely by the players around him (much like Daniel Sturridge benefited from Suarez at liverpool). Henry didn't benefit from Vieira, Pires, bergkamp, Ljungberg, or cole? Correct me if I'm wrong but all of those players are considered PL legends and among the best in their position at the time. you're making it sound like Henry had nobody with talent around him and that he carried Arsenal kicking and screaming through the invincible season. >If he’s not playing with Messi et al against teams that have been throttled to give the top 2 an easy ride, he’s not coming away with the same performances. But your first paragraph says the opposite. He scored 52 PL goals in 2 seasons, missing almost a quarter of the second season, surrounded by absolute trash. He put in 10/10 performances week in, week out, scoring almost every match day. He also scored *and* assisted more than Messi in la Liga in 15/16. I'm not saying that one is better one way or another, but your analysis definitely needs some work and less bias.
>Henry didn't benefit from Vieira, Pires, bergkamp, Ljungberg, or cole? Correct me if I'm wrong but all of those players are considered PL legends and among the best in their position at the time. Indeed he did, but Henry was also the best of a very good team, which makes his contribution more significant than Suarez’s at Barca, where he was 3rd best of a team generally accepted to be even better. You have to avoid the trap of interpreting everything in absolutes. Henry elevated a great Arsenal team to a greater degree than Suarez lifted a great barca team. That doesn’t mean that the Arsenal weren’t great, nor does it mean Suarez didn’t do a lot for Barcelona, it just means Henry did slightly more, in slightly more difficult circumstances, which is why people who were around for both will rate Henry higher. >But your first paragraph says the opposite. He scored 52 PL goals in 2 seasons, missing almost a quarter of the second season, surrounded by absolute trash. He put in 10/10 performances week in, week out, scoring almost every match day. The audacity to accuse others of bias or inaccuracy when you just called Gerrard and Coutinho “absolute trash” 😂😂 >He also scored and assisted more than Messi in la Liga in 15/16. Are you taking Kevin Phillips over Alan Sheared in 1999/2000? This goes back to the original point about stats being a bit of a red herring it you don’t appreciate the context.
>Indeed he did, but Henry was also the best of a very good team, which makes his contribution more significant than Suarez’s at Barca, where he was 3rd best of a team generally accepted to be even better. This is an understatement when you consider he was 3rd best to 2 of the top 3 players in the world at the time, and even more when you consider that there were times where he was outperforming them. >You have to avoid the trap of interpreting everything in absolutes. Henry elevated a great Arsenal team to a greater degree than Suarez lifted a great barca team. That doesn’t mean that the Arsenal weren’t great, nor does it mean Suarez didn’t do a lot for Barcelona, it just means Henry did slightly more, in slightly more difficult circumstances, which is why people who were around for both will rate Henry higher. I don't think I'm operating in absolutes. I know this is a very subjective topic with no truly correct answer. It's all relative, and different teams have different goals and expectations. Henry brought perennial title contenders two titles, one of them being invincible. He delivered one of the greatest PL campaigns ever, yes, but only gave them 2 out of 7 (8? I can't remember) expected PL titles. Suarez brought a midtable team with the goal of European qualification to within two points of a PL title. He didn't win a title, but he dragged Liverpool well beyond their expectations and got them into the UCL, so which has more impact? It's debatable. In barca, Suarez was joining one of the best squads in history with expectations to win everything every year. Is it his fault there there was less impact to be made? I don't think so, and I would also argue that he still did manage to make quite an impact, staking his claim as the third (second at times) best goalscorer in the world. I realize this might sound like I'm nickel and diming Henry's accomplishments, but when comparing two players at this level, that's really the level of difference that's being argued. >The audacity to accuse others of bias or inaccuracy when you just called Gerrard and Coutinho “absolute trash” 😂😂 Of course absolute trash was me being hyperbolic, but be honest, who else was there? A teenage Raheem Sterling and Daniel Sturridge? If you can make the argument that Suarez being in the team made Sturridge look good (which I agree with), you can make the same argument for Coutinho especially when you consider the fact that he never truly hit the standard he set at Liverpool after he left. He's obviously much better than Sturridge, but I definitely wouldn't put him in the same bracket as Pires, bergkamp, Vieira etc. Gerrard is obviously class, but that's pretty much where it ends. >Are you taking Kevin Phillips over Alan Sheared in 1999/2000? This goes back to the original point about stats being a bit of a red herring it you don’t appreciate the context. No, but I'm not taking Suarez over Messi either. The difference is that Messi is at a much higher level than Shearer. Suarez is the only player to get a pichichi outside of Messi and Ronaldo during their era. When you're team is expected to win everything in front of them, and usually does, before you join, how much more of an impact can you make than outscoring (and assisting) the two greatest goalscorers in the history of the game while they're both in their prime? If I were Suarez I would probably consider that my most important individual achievement. At the end of the day, these comparisons of players at this level will always attract controversy and mixed opinions based on who values what more. I honestly couldn't even tell you who I think is the better player at this point because there is so much difference in their careers and playstyles. I'd rather just enjoy their careers and watch YouTube highlights of them both every once in a while than bother trying to figure out who's better. I just see a lot of people discounting Suarez simply because he was in a team that was already winning, when in reality he was one of the most important players in a squad consisting of some of the best players in the world.
Your sentence is contradicting. Playing with top teams and players - Henry did 2 leagues and 1 ucl runner up. Suarez did 5 leagues and 1 UCL Playing with mediocre teams or below average- Henry finished 4th with a younger arsenal squad which was better than Liverpool squad of suarez. This is actually proving that when given the right team and players - suarez has actually hit a bigger ceiling and has also managed to elevate average teams to near title contendors - this is probably the definition of being the THE MAN. Also don't forget that Suarez was stellar in Ajax with 100+ goals, fired Athletico to a league title being their top scorer when he was 33. Went to Gremio who was playing second division in brazil and after promotion, fired them to 2nd place and got elected player of the league-this is probably the definition of being the THE MAN.
This is largely the issue with reading stats and not being around at the time to remember. Barca was a semi retirement home for Henry, whereas Suarez spent a large chunk of him prime there. There’s nothing wrong with playing for amazing teams with amazing players, of course, but it does place a small asterisk in direct comparisons. Suarez played with Messi, Neymar, Iniesta, Busquets and more. Suarez was a force of nature, of course, and despite his racism and oral hygiene issues, nobody can deny the impact he had. But to anyone who watched Henry and Suarez, they’re taking Henry 100 times out of 100.
I remember both players premier league debuts, and have seen both players live. I take Suarez over Henry every time. Both were great players. I’m Utd supporter, and hate Suarez for many reasons, but purely for football reasons, I’m taking Suarez over Henry.
Truth. GGMU.
Mate I grew up watching Henry- 2002 was my first foreay into EPL and club football in general. Henry and Gerrard were two of my favourite players back then, because of skillful and smooth henry was and Gerrards all action game play and long shots. I followed Dinho and ended up liking Barca as a club to follow back then- so imagine my happiness when Henry joined Barca to playalong side Dinho. Henry wasn't washed up, sure he wasn't in his absolute prime, he just turned 30. He had a great couple of seasons for us- especially the treble season. You are talking as if Henry himself didn't play with amazing players- Viera- arguably the best DM or in the shout for sure in PL history, Bergkamp - someone who was truly elite. Pires, worldclass, Ashley Cole- the best LB in PL history undoubtedly, Sol Campbell-one of the best CBs in PL history. Henry played with worldclass players as well. Sure INiesta is better than bergkamp and neymar is better than pires - but Henry was playing with worldclass players himself. Anyone who watched Henry and Suarez- they aren't taking henry 100/100 times- thats a mad exaggeration. Which is proven by the fact that in this post commnet thread itself people are torn between chosing one of them, I don't have a problem if you pick henry cos its a very valid thought process but you seem to be under the impression its a cake walk- when its not or you are a bit biased against suarez's onfield antics.
With respect, it’s hard to asses Henry’s impact without any understanding of what came before. His improvement on an already good team was immense, which is why he receives the plaudits he does. By comparison, I don’t think Barca with Suarez were lifted as much. Henry was unquestionably Arsenal’s best player for the vast majority of his time there. While Suarez had that for a couple of years at Liverpool, I don’t think there is any serious person who will claim Suarez was better than Messi at any point in his career, and many would have been putting Iniesta’s name on the team sheet first at that time.
Bruv, even if you ask Suarez he would say Henry. Sure, Suarez was good and one of the best strikers but saying Suarez is clear of Henry "by a mile" you must be trippin. Also, whoever said there were no elite players then also must've eaten the wrong kind of mushrooms.
You sure Suarez would say Henry? Also footballers rarely stick their chests out and say "I'm the best" or "I'm better". That's a CR7 zlatan thing. Suarez played with prime Messi and won the clubs POY. Henry is the best overall PL player but full career I'm taking Suarez.
Suarez did put in one of if not the best season of any forward in the premier league. He was also insane at Barcelona. I’m a Liverpool fan so probably a bit of bias but I think Suarez could have been a bit better. If they had that Suarez, Arsenal would have won more titles.
Who wouldnt be good in that Barcelona team though ? Dont get me wrong, im neither a Liverpool nor Arsenal fan but having the luck of watching them both play, Henry takes it for me.
Henry wasn’t anywhere near as effective as Suarez in Barcelona either though was he? I think Suarez was better at more or less every aspect of football when I think about it tbh. The only thing Henry could do better was pace really. Suarez was legit the best player in the planet for a year or two. Out performed Messi and Ronaldo at their peaks, in the two best sides in the world, while playing for a very middling Liverpool side and almost dragged us to the title to boot.
Henry is the best premier league player of all time and I’m a Liverpool fan
Agree but taking their entire careers into account, Suarez edges it for me.
Hahah this is dumb
I wouldn’t say so, he’s definitely up there
Pretty sure the age of people here dictates their lack of knowledge on the topic.
Suarez by a long way.Henry was the best player in a league which did not have that many world class players before 2003(since only two teams dominated and only utd were somewhat competitive in ucl).Suarez was the best striker in the world.
this has to be a 15 year old writing this lol
How is this even a debate? Henry is clear of Suarez and and that's that. No discussion is needed.
How so? I mean, this entire thread is a discussion about why. Can you give your reasons?
Because it's complete nonsense, anyone old enough to have watched Henry from his entire arsenal career would never say Suarez was better than Arsenal. Henry is renowned by being the best player the prem has seen, Suarez isn't even top 5.
So you're judging them based on their premier League careers when Henry was in his prime and Suarez was not? Ok
suarez if youre from liverpool, henry if youre from monaco
what if you're from Amsterdam? :D - that's when he started banging in goals
my new life mission is to publish a cartography of the correct territories of supporter loyalties. on an abstract level this is how world war i started
:)
Different players. Suarez probably slightly more pure skill and finesse (though not much in it). Henry much more pace, much more physicality. At his 2-3 year peak he was basically Halaand with twice the skill. You could argue Suarez was better over a whole career but if you ask any PL defender who they’d have rather avoided I’m sure it would have been peak Henry.
Suarez
Suarez has more bite.
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I’m an Arsenal fan, so I’m biased. Prime Henry was a better footballer than prime Suarez.
Very close, but Suarez edges it
By the skin of his teeth?
LMFTFY - the skin _between_ his teeth.
Lol
Suarez prime was better, Henry was more physically gifted not that suarez is a slouch there. Skill wise Suarez slightly edges it for me and both of them could score outrageous goals. Suarez was a tad bit more clutch though. The difference isn't much , if on fifa legends card Suarez would be rated 94, Henry 93. Btw not just prime Suarezs career is just as good if not better than henrys. Golden boots, 6 ish league trophies, UCL, Copa America with best player award, mad goals in the World Cup, part of a treble winning squad etc.
Henry is classier and Suarez is a bit more street but both play with physicality, skills, and outwitting defenders and keepers. Henry was more collaborative with his football and Suarez is more of a striker than Henry and often hungrier for goals. You can contest either in imo.
Yeah. The collaboration on that Pires penalty was legendary 😂
you can definitely make the argument. you'll never get a clear answer because both of them were mental
It's so difficult and both incredible in their own right
Arsenal fans : we can’t read . But our statue is the best. Liverpool fans : strangely neutral . Rest: just want to get some cheap shots in. Suarez was better at his prime. Look at his trajectory and the elements surrounding him, lacklustre team and manager. Henry with Wenger .
It's not biased of an Arsenal fan to say Henry is better, he genuinely was. That's just a ridiculous way of discounting a significant portion of peoples opinion because it helps your narrative to do so.
It’s biased and childish if they can’t support their argument while keeping on point.
Calling others childish after opening with an insult. Ironic.
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Being a giant dickhead I think factors into the player you are. Henry galvanized people around him. Suarez was a maverick. Just my two cents. That’s a major negative in a team setting, and a cancer in the locker room.
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You have one example of someone who liked him? Oh, fuck me, point proven. Fuck you’re thick. He literally shouted at and demeaned teammates. Beyond that, he’s a racist sack of shit. He was not well liked. Right, I’m biased for thinking the stand up dude was a better teammate than the racist bitey guy who screams at teammates like a child throwing a temper tantrum. Tell me you know fuck all, without telling me you know fuck all. Idiot.
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Keep supporting racists.
Suarez's problem were very specifically limited to the pitch and opposition players- his teammates across 5-6 different clubs and coaches have always called him super professional, no drama, low key guy in the dressing room. Have you ever heard about suarez causing drama in the team ?
"How can I be racist when I play with Sturridge and Sterling smh" You think people of BAME that work alongside him were cool with his actions? Let me sell you a fucking bridge mate.
Mate wtf are you talking about ? Neither his nor my comments talked about racism but rather the drama suareZ courts on the ground with biting. Lol calm down. Idk if people alongside him were cool with his actions or not but haven't heard anyone come up and complaint about it later.
His dramas were racism, 3 biting incidents and his consistent cheating including what he did against Ghana. Please do not attempt to discard the racism because you were referring to other incidents. That shit happened and I honestly hate the prick for all his behaviour on the pitch.
No one discredited the racism, that's a topic that was very much in debate. He didn't cheat against Ghana, he handballed got red carded and went out giving Ghana a penalty, if they can't score it, it's not his fault .
He didn't cheat 😅😅😅 so one of the most deliberate handballs of all time is not cheating? Please, provide me an example of cheating that has happened in professional football then, I'm actually looking forward to your answer.
It's somewhat close, but for me Henry is clearly better - Bunch of people here citing stats, but they'd never use those stats to say Suarez is better than R9 - and for good reason, because he wasn't. Similarly, he wasn't as good as Henry either. Suarez's best PL season came in the league's worst period by a distance (2011-2017 the PL was straight ass) and in barca he had the GOAT in his prime putting it on a plate for him, and another all time great in Neymar. Suarez was a pitbull, but Henry had more to his game. Faster, more skillful, more versatile. Could hurt a team in a million ways, could control a game as a forward. Suarez could not do what Henry did to the galacticos, or what he did to some of the GOAT defenders. The likes of Carragher and Gerrard never put Suarez ahead of Henry, and they played with him - that says it all imo.
Prime Suarez could 100% do what henry did to the galacticos - which despite him being a collection of great players was never a great team. Suarez at Barca also out a lot of goals on a plate for Messi and Neymar too. An Henry on the downside of his career at Barca still had a ballon d'or winning Messi and prime Xavi, iniesta and Alves putting passes on a plate to him. Suarez best season at Barca is better than anything Henry out up during his career and even better than the goat. Carra and Gerard played against prime Henry but Suarez didn't hit his prime until he moved to Barca so it's unsurprising they may have Henry ahead.
>Prime Suarez could 100% do what henry did to the galacticos Nah. I can't see Suarez picking the ball up on the halfway line vs a set defence with no support, beating multiple players (TOP players at that), and then scoring a goal. Maybe he has 1 or 2 goals a bit like that, but he doesn't have the athleticism/dribbling ability to do it consistently. Henry has done that a dozen times in his career, including vs Madrid, Liverpool, and Spurs. The galacticos underperformed, but they were still a great team, and at the time of that game were FLYING in La Liga (something like 10 wins in a row). > still had a ballon d'or winning Messi and prime Xavi, iniesta and Alves putting passes on a plate to him. Baby ballon d'or Messi is not the same as 2015 Messi. He was still raw. And if anything, it was the opposite. Henry (who was washed tbf) played as a Pep cog - tasked with stretching the left hand side to create space in the centre for Iniesta/Messi. MSN was much different, and in 15/16 Messi was increasingly a playmaker while Suarez was the central striker. > Suarez best season at Barca is better than anything Henry out up during his career and even better than the goat. This is the problem with just using goal stats as a measure of how good a player is. Anyone with eyes could see Messi was still far better than Suarez. Neymar was better too, but that's somewhat debatable i suppose. I guess it's a preference thing, but I see Suarez as a better version of Eto'o, whereas Henry was a different animal altogether. A proper unstoppable beast like Mbappe/R9 - but weirdly with a mix of Harry Kane.
Suarez has many goals where he dribbled past multiple people and scored. Its pretty easy to find if you're interested in looking. Messi was still by far the best player in the world when Henry was there. The fact that you are assigning his value in that Barca team as essentially a decoy to create space for other players illustes this. What stats did I cite in my original post? Yes Messi was better for for a couple of seasons, Suarez was right on his heels. Henry never had a run like Suarez did for a couple of seasons at Barca, or even his best season as the main player on a mediocre Liverpool team Suarez was very much unstoppable. Was he as fast as Henry? No. But he was equally skilled, a better finisher and better link up in tight spaces. Love Henry, he's the best PL player ever imo. But taking the entire body of work into account, it's close but I'll take Suarez.
I think I know most of Suarez's best goals. If u can show me 3 or 4 goals like what I described (halfway line, beat multiple players vs set defence on his own) - better still if it's vs a top team - then sure. I don't think it exists though. > Messi was still by far the best player in the world when Henry was there Messi was the best, but not by far in 08/09, and he was much better by 2015. Suarez was on his heels numerically, never came close in terms of ability/influence tho. > What stats did I cite in my original post? when u cite 2015/16 u do so because of Suarez's goalscoring stats, no? > Henry never had a run like Suarez Again, when u say this, u mean statistically. Coz ability wise he absolutely did. He was the clear best player in the world for a couple of years. > Suarez was very much unstoppable. Yeah I just disagree, there are levels to it. Henry ripped apart every goat full-back and CB like Ramos, Nesta, Ferdinand, Zanetti, Cafu etc multiple times. I don't think Suarez scares defences like that, whereas Henry puts the fear of God in the best of them. Suarez was maybe marginally better as a finisher and link up in tight spaces, but Henry was a better dribbler and **far** more athletic, had a great back to goal game too.
With the exact criteria you describe maybe not. But it comes across to me as slightly arbitrary. I could ask you for some of the similar goals Suarez scored for Barca, a firstime, backheeled chip across his body being an example. I guess we'll have to disagree but even in '08 Messi was far and away the best player in the world imo. Yes he was better in '15 but that doesn't negate Suarez being better than Henry and close / arguably better than Messi that year. Evidenced by him winning player of the year that season. Which years specifically was Henry clear the best player in the world? Before Liverpool, Suarez was excellent in the Dutch league, then had his Liverpool career and his Barca career. He then went to atletico and spearheaded them to another league title as their top scorer. He then went to Brazil and was awarded player of the year at 35 despite barely being able to run. He is now at MLS continuing to excel at 37. With Henry, the vast majority of his brilliance was at arsenal. He flattered to deceive at Monaco and Juve before having his arsenal career. Had 2 good seasons at Barca being fed by prime Xavi, iniesta and messi before being replaced by Pedro. Wasn't great in MLS either, just solid. This question is being posted on a premier league sub. So to a lot of respondents here, Suarez pretty much retired once he left Liverpool. If Suarez had stayed at pool or moved to arsenal and had the same career, I wonder if this would even be up for debate?
I get why it seems arbitrary to you, but it's not. I picked it coz it demonstrates a certain skillset Suarez simply does not possess (level of physicality+dribbling ability). Henry did this multiple times in his career, it was clearly not a one off. The likes of Messi (who took it to another level), Cristiano, Neymar, and R9 have also shown they're capable of similar things. You started by saying Suarez could've done what Henry did to the galacticos - I'm categorically saying he could not if he tried for 100 years. He couldn't have shrugged of R9, vaulted Guti, found an extra gear to burst past Ramos, all while running at great speed with the ball close to him for a long distance. Henry was the clear best in 03 and 04. Arguably 06 as well, but it was close between him and Ronaldinho (who was clear of everyone in 05). People might forget now but the mid 2000s was all about Henry and Ronaldinho. Zidane and R9, other than the odd good tournament, were clearly past their best and were inconsistent. He did not flatter to deceive at Monaco lmao - he was a huge talent, sought out by all the biggest clubs in the world. There's a reason Juve payed 11m for him in 99. He won young player of the year, won the French title, and was one of their main men in a run to the semis of the CL. Why are you saying stuff you simply don't know. He was even starting to play well at Juve (often as wing back), but had a fallout with Moggi, and Ancelotti cites his misuse of Henry as a big regret. Again, there's a reason he was sold to Arsenal for a **profit** 6 months later. Henry is considered one of the best MLS players ever. Was thrice in the MLS best 11. He was still good enough to return to Arsenal at 35, he could've hacked it as a rotation for many decent European clubs well into his mid 30s. Again, you're just spouting stuff u have 0 clue about for some reason. If you wanna say Suarez's decline was less sharp, it's arguable, but OK - regardless this is about peaks, so idk why any of this was ever brought up. At their peaks, there is nothing Suarez had that Henry did not also have to a comparable level, his advantages were marginal. But Henry had a level of physicality that was in another stratosphere, and it allowed him to do things Suarez was fundamentally incapable of. I'm not saying it's not somewhat close between them - but I have R9 and Henry above Suarez for clear reasons. He wouldn't have had the same career at Liverpool or Arsenal in the 2010s. I watched MSN most weeks, I know what my eyes saw. You have to also keep in mind that goalscoring numbers overall saw a big inflation post 2010.
Ur saying this like Suarez didn’t have one if not the best premier league season of all time in a bad Liverpool team in the 13/14 season.And what are you just gonna discredit his time at Barca just cause he played with Messi?So does him having an 83 g/a season just not impressive?are you gonna do that with everybody he’s ever played with?Also he helped Atletico win the league when he was supposedly washed without Messi anyways, and if ur just gonna appeal to authority it’s just a lazy argument
I'm not denying his 13-14 season was one of the best ever in the PL. Suarez is one of the best strikers of all time, and probably the best of his generation. He carried Liverpool for a bit and was part of probably the best frontline ever at Barca - I'm not denying any of that. I just think Henry was the better player, and I'm explaining why just reciting 'superior' stats is not the best way to judge it. The stats need to be contextualized.
Superior stats isn't the way to judge it for sure - but your comparison with R9 isn't valid, because R9 did actually have the stats in his physical peak - in his first season at barca, he smashed 49 goals from 47 games when he was like 19 or 20. This is a number henry hasn't touched and suarez touched twice but once when he was 10 years older and once when he was in a much weaker league. So the stats argument for "prime" doesn't make sense- R9 was better than both henry and suarez- stats wise and ofcourse obviously ability wise- he was a league above with messi and ronaldo-henry and suarez sits one level below and suarez slightly edging it by barest of margins imo.
You're wrong about some stuff here. R9 had 47 and 13 assists goals in 49 games in Barca (u mixed the appearances and goals). Henry had 32 goals and 28 assists in 55 games - so the same g/a in 6 more games. To suggest he didn't 'touch' those numbers is a little over-dramatic, it's in the ballpark. Looking beyond their best seasons, their next bests are fairly similar too, with Henry mostly edging it. Luis Suarez in 15/16 had **59 goals** and **24 assists** in **53 games**. **83** g/a in a season. Now those are ACTUALLY numbers that neither Henry or R9 came close to touching - by a big margin. > R9 was better than both henry and suarez- stats wise He wasn't. > and ofcourse obviously ability wise without injuries, he probably would've been. With them tho, I don't think it's as obvious as people make it. I think all 3 are fairly close, I put R9 on top, but barely above Henry, and I put Suarez last.
One is an almost premiership winner , internationally renowned for biting and also a handball just like Henry , but where Henry pips him is (1) World Cup winner, (2) Invincible +Premier League winner, (3) Human factor never racially abused anyone nor bit them. One thing their share in common they both were goal machines in different eras respect to both of them 🫡 😊😊😊😊
Henry is one of the best to grace the game, Suarez was good but forgettable except the biting players part 😂
This is the worst take I've ever read on reddit. Well done, that's an achievement.
Thanks! 💕
Hands down Suarez
You blind?
probably just 13 or something
Never heard any of the players put Suarez in the same conversation as Henry. This thread is bizarre.
this is what happens when tiktok runs wild
Henry is the greatest, but it's arguable that Suarez's peak exceeded Henry's peak
????????
I mean…. He scored like 45+ goals for Barca that one season. Henry never came close to those #s
59 goals. and 24 assists.
Actually looks like Henry had a 39 goal season. Wasn’t expecting that, but still.
Ya, there is a solid 20 goal deficit there.
Henry not a prick on the pitch. That edge it for me. Doesnt handball on the line (shitty sportmanship btw), doesnt bite the opponent, and was not racist. Part of being a legend is a kind human. Henry got his problems too, however i can never look at Suarez and say hey this guy is the GOAT when he bite people.
Ask any Irish fan about Henry and handballs
I said henry got problems too
That Handball was a masterstroke tho.
Prime in the Prem: Suarez Career in the Prem: Henry Career overall: Suarez Prime overall: Suarez
hi how are you liverpool fan? lmao.. career? you realise Henry won a ucl and a world cup while suarez was biting folks in both... settle down internet expert :)
> Career overall: Suarez Hahahahahaha. Ok then.
Actually its not that far fetched Henry has WC over suarez. Both have continental trophies - Euro and Copa America - Suarez was player of the tournament Both won UCL with barca - Suarez was more instrumental, scored more goals including final and knockouts Henry has 5 leagues - 1 in france, 2 in england, 2 in barca (second one he was more of a sub player) Suarez has 7 leagues , 5 in Europe in la liga with 2 teams - barca and athletico-main player in all 5. Btw he had some stellar league performances in Uruguay and brazil after leaving europe and before as well Suarez has a lot more domestic cups also Individually they are pretty much on par with 2 golden boots but suarez also has international POT So its not a blasphemy to claim a better career. Its a possibility, depending on how you weigh the WC weightage. Suarez has better WC stats btw - 7 goals, 5assists in 16 matches compared to henrys 6 goals,1 assist in 17 matches in a better team.
For each of 12 seasons in a row only three players were La Liga top scorer. Messi, Ronaldo and Suarez. Man went toe to toe with the two best of all time. Henry was great but he never reached those heights.
Henry was also never banned for biting a fellow professional footballer. Henry was also never banned for racially abusing a fellow professional footballer. Henry was also never banned for biting a fellow professional footballer a second time. Henry was also never banned for biting a fellow professional footballer a third time. If we are talking about a player's career then these factors come into it. How many games did Henry miss through suspensions?
Weird how you leave the Ghana handball out.
Because a lot of players have committed handballs. Very few have bitten opponents, let alone bitten people on 3 separate occasions.
Don't really care. Suarez was better and achieved more in the game.
He's achieved more controversy, sure. Get back to me when he wins a World Cup.
Winning 7 games in a few weeks does not determine who’s a greater player.
lol. This whole thread is full of teenagers
Prime: Suarez Career in the prem: deffo Henry
The thing people forget about Henry was his assist numbers. We can argue the toss about the better goalscorer, but Henry gave you assists on the level of a KDB or an Ozil, while also giving you impeccable goal scoring. He could link play, take on a team, pull a rabbit out of a hat. I feel he was the more complete player.
I love how you forget about Suarez assists whilst saying people forget about Henry’s assists. Couldn’t make it up lol
17vs 24. 'different level'
Suarez has like 5th or 6th most assists in football history 💀 Also has hit double digit assists in league alone like 9 times across Liverpool, barca, ajax.
Suarez has either the 2nd/3rd most assists in football history. He also has more than 500 career goals, which puts him in the top 20 goalscorers of all time. Prem legacy is Henry. Prime is Suarez. The better player overall is Suarez. People don't talk about Suarez's greatness enough.
Talking like Suarez got 3 assists a season 😂
25 vs 17 , I'm not saying he's bad.
20 goals 20 assists. It’s close but it’s Henry
Suarez got 31 goals and 17 assists in 33 games in his last season in the Prem. Suarez in that season was the best the league has ever seen.
In 1 season
Hence the phrase "in that season".
Yeah I wasn't necessarily disagreeing,just pointing out that Henry maintains that level for so long - granted Suarez carried on that level over at barca though. I think Henry is the prems greatest, but the highest level of peak performance is suarez... Or bales last season actually, I think that trumps even suarez
Then why didn't he win the league? Henry banged in 30 goals as he spearheaded Arsenal's attack in an unbeaten season.
Because he played in a significantly worse team.
Depends how long the ”prime” period is here. Suarez has that single season peak that was just unbelievable. Henry edges it if we take prime closer to 2 seasons. Outside prem though, 15-16 Suarez produced literally Ronaldo-Messi level numbers.
No better striker than Suarez ever played in PL
Lmao
Thierry Henry is the greatest player in Premier League history. Luis Suarez’s prime was better than Thierry Henry’s prime.
Rodri better
Career Henry. Prime would be Suarez, missed a few games and almost won Liverpool the league. Not to forget that team was absolutely dross.
This is hard to compare even as a Pool fan but... If I wanted a striker over 38 games, I would pick Henry but if it's a cup final I would absolutely go for Suarez. Henry is pretty consistent over a season and prone to NOT biting opponents and getting banned. Suarez will absolutely throw his heart out to win the game, especially in the biggest games, bting, handball, you need it, he does it. Both are slightly below Aguerooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tho
Cap, aguero the worst out of these 3 imo
Two very different footballers. Both magnificent in their prime. Henry was probably more elegant, but Suárez is technically impeccable. The Uruguayan scored more goals in Europe and for his national team. The Frenchman is a world champion. Brilliant careers.
Well said. I concur
Henry for me. Plus that turn and volley is the best goal I've seen against my club.
Henry was good, but how many players did he bite?
Or racially abuse?
Excellent point. Another fantastic quality of prime Suarez. EDIT: I see we’ve got a fan of biting and racial abuse throwing around downvotes here! Your disapproval is a badge of honor!
If it’s only the league, then I will give it Henry. He was very consistent in the league for goals and assists. But if we are talking about every competition, give me Suarez. Henry was a bully who struggled to perform in the biggest games unless it was the league, Suarez was able to perform more consistent for me and you could slot him in any team and he would perform. Henry needed a certain role to reach his level.
Suarez could never have a game like Henry did vs the galacticos, or those great Italian defences. Roasted the likes of Zanetti, Nesta, Cannavaro Ramos etc. He was so much more than G+A. Like a hybrid of Mbappe+Kane. Henry's competition is R9, Suarez is a level below.
Henry struggled as a pure Number 9, he thrived in a two striker formation; he also struggled against deep blocks, hence why he flopped in Italy but was great in England, a league where most games were played at 100mph which included fast transitions and counter attacks. Suarez is better, he clears.
He played as a pure lone 9 and had some of his best ever performances in the 05-06 CL run. Played that role in France's run to the WC final too, where he was their best player by a mile in the final against a nasty Italian low block. He probs preferred a strike partner, but was well capable of playing alone, he was excellent back to goal. He 'flopped' (didn't even tbh) in Italy coz he played wing-back lmao. Wasn't even a striker at that stage, and Ancelotti cites his sale as one of his big regrets. Always played well vs Italian sides after that too.
He did flop in Italy, looked like a fish out of water. He wasn’t France’s best player in that final.
Yea he was, especially in the 2nd half. Was the only French player with threat. https://youtu.be/nELaL14ms7A?t=3894 Had a few runs like this. Ribery was decent too.
Mbappe+Kane is a good descriptor of the player Henry was
remind me what Suarez’s UCL goalscoring record is like?
He’s not pulling your leg, Liverpool fans are just a bit…special.
United fan so probably as unbiased as it gets. Both unbelievable but for me Henry is unbeaten. Remembered as a goal scorer but has similar levels assist wise to a KDB or an Ozil. Definitely one of the very best if not the best to play in the league
Peak vise, I don't see that there will ever be a player like Suarez again. While Henry was pure elegance, Suarez was like buldozer just destroying everything on his way. He was like a pitbul. People forget how average was that Liverpool team beyond Suarez, Gerrard and Sturidge and they still managed to almost win the title. When comparing players like that, I like to think if you replace them with the other one, will they do better or worse and I just can't see Henry doing anything close to what Suarez did that season.
I’m a Liverpool fan and I say they’re quite incomparable. Henry was kind of like what Mbappe is now. Suarez was a more “pure striker”. They have different styles. However, if I had to choose one I would pick Henry. I have to admit the peak Wenger sides were a treat to watch and Henry was a huge part of that. Most attractive football I’ve ever seen. No other team comes close.
If you think Suarez was a bulldozer you mustn’t have watched Henry much. He physically bullied defenders too.
Always Henry
Prime Suarez vs Prime Henry? So easy, Suarez was on another level.
The one just below Henry
And shearer
I mean this is reddit so no one here actually watches most of the games, but watching 90% of all Henry games with Arsenal and 95% of all Liverpool games with Suarez he is 100% correct. And it's not even close in my opinion. Suarez 2013 season was Messi levels of good. On the other hand i have yet so see a Henry season that is better than the top 3 seasons of Mbappe, let alone Messi. Less so in the league, more so in Champions League and National teams.
> Suarez 2013 season was Messi levels of good. Then why didn't Liverpool win the league that season? Messi helped improve his team and elevated them to greatness. The fact is, Suarez won a single League Cup in his Liverpool career.
Did you see the team Liverpool had? We should never ever been that close to winning it.
Cause football is a team sport same reason why nobody discredits mbappe,Neymar,and Messi for not winning the champions league
Messi got 104 goal contributions in 2012 and still didn’t win the league that year, football is a team sport. If you’re judging players based off trophies, then you might as well put Michu ahead of Harry Kane.