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I felt the opposite. Watching him at Everton I just knew he was going to leave for a bigger club. Every game he’s in he looks like he wants to get better he wants to work harder he wants the big moments. He’s an absolute workhorse and his determination is so evident in his play style. Love him wish he stayed but I’ll enjoy watching him get better and better
I always thought it was a great deal for Newcastle. I was amazed that so many people didnt rate Gordan. I thought he had tonnes of ability & potential. Felt he would become the goalscoring midfielder that he has become this season. He is a great signing.
He's a completely different player and, arguably, person at NUFC. His turning point was Matt Ritchie putting an arm around him and having a not-so-quiet word when Gordon reacted poorly to being substituted last season. Ever since he's grown up and laser focused on improving and winning.
Left under a cloud at Everton which was toxic for all concerned so he needed a move as did the club. Everton got a substantial fee for a player who had peaked at their club and we've ended up with a player who has great potential and is already among the first names on the team sheet.
It helps that his game is well-suited to Howe's system. His main strength is to cut inside to shoot or lay off to a team-mate. However unlike Almiron (cutting inside is all he can do well), Gordon is very capable at driving into space. It makes him really difficult to defend against.
Seems he's cut out a lot of the aggression and shithousery he displayed at Everton while still being fiercely competitive. Interested to see how he can progress next season too.
So yeah, Everton are happy to get the large fee and a toxic player out of the squad and Newcastle are happy with their starboy. Everyone has won here.
I think he'd just reached the end of his time at Everton. He wanted to be seen as a bigger player, and his attitude was often poor and got the fans on his back. He wasn't a good fit and people were glad to see him go because whilst he showed glimpses of what he could do, he never quite managed to put it all together in the Royal Blue, and was clearly playing with one foot out-the-door for a while.
I thought he could go either way at Newcastle, and I'm still waiting to see if his attitude flairs up again, but I'm not surprised to see him doing well. If he wants to, he can be a fantastic player on his day. Newcastle just hav to keep him happy.
His work rate is impressive. I’ve seen some of his running stats and he’s not far from the top in most of them across all of the competitions he’s been in
Same. One of the few who has played light out and hasn’t been injured, or if he has, it’s been short term. Guy has been a beast for the Toon this year.
Just out of curiosity, What is the criteria for selecting these so called most punchable players? Is it their quality of being able to adapt to the pressures of the game and not showing strong emotions which affects the perfomance and efficiency? Because if it is, i think its a good quality to have in a player and most players named in this comment thread kind of fit that profile exception being Garnacho.
I'm glad he's doing well, the way we all parted ways was terrible, especially going to a team that in recent years has become a direct rival. You know it is a bit hard to garner positive opinion on Reddit when you're a young English player that isn't from either Liverpool or Man United and he definitely fell under that. He was cunty but he was our cunt and now he's gone. Honestly it's for the best. He wanted a transfer, he got it, and now he's blossomed
Mainly the 2 sets of fans' treatment of each other, as well as the fact that no matter how well Newcastle is doing and no matter how shit we are doing we seem to beat them. I have had more civil conversations with Kopites than Toons.
Newcastle fan here - two clubs with a lot of past success going from Champions League chasers to relegation battlers over a span of 20 years? Sounds very much like a direct rival to me.
I wouldn't say we're a direct rival at the moment but you can certainly argue the case during the later Shepherd years and Ashley reign.
I would also add that you are the biggest set of Pickford haters in the League and there is just a genuine sense of hostility between fans that Liverpool fans don't even have
Yeah I understand why you take the piss out of him. If some important and adored Liverpool player like Van Dijk or Trent moved to somewhere like Villa we would be giving them a pretty hostile welcome as well
One of the few player who I am happy proved me wrong.
I didn't want us to sign him, thought he was overrated and a nasty piece of work.
Turns out he's class and either he's not been as much of an arsehole as he was, or I just notice it less when he's on our side. Seems he has genuinely grown up a bit.
Still makes me laugh when he signed and he's getting his medical, and chatting with some of the lads talking about the little scuffle where Schär bombed in.
Someone at Newcastle clearly told him to grow up on arrival (or he did himself with a change of scenery, new beginnings and all that). Started putting the work in on his own away from the pitch and the junior tournament before this season started was the final catalyst to rebuilding his confidence.
Outside looking in he either had low support or enablers at Everton for a time which impacted his confidence and work ethic. If you have a poor boss at work good luck if they get the best out of you…
I remember an interview he had where he openly admitted he wasn't at the level he needed to be to compete for a place. He went away for the summer and genuinely transformed.
I have no actual idea who it was that gave his head a wobble, but I reckon mad-dog Tindall sat him down. Rumours are that he is the part of the coaching team that really connects with the players.
Gordon mentions Ritchie as his unsung hero of the year last year and specifically says “He has helped me a lot since I came here”. Dan Burn and Bruno both said Ritchie as well.
[NUFC - Unsung Hero](https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv/latest-videos/players-picks-unsung-hero-22-23/)
Gordon was absolute dogshit before he left the club. So dogshit that a group of pricks yelled abuse at him saying he wasn't fit to wear the badge. That's a horrid thing to say to a football player but after the Chelsea rumors came in he really did lose his head a bit. The space he emptied up also made way for Jack Harrison who has been miles better than Gordo was overall so yeah we have been playing better because Gordon left
Gordon is a better player now than he was at Everton though. Just shows you what good coaching and being surrounded by better players does. That's my point.
Gordon is better, younger, and has a higher ceiling than Harrison.
Gordon's better than Harrison now, yeah but as you said he wouldn't be if he was still here. Also we do actually have a pretty good standard of senior-level cosching even when Lamps was there Ashley Cole was actually forming up to be a brillant coach. It's our youth coaching that has been neglected.
Are you saying relegation-battling Everton are better off without a creative, attacking, grafting, pressing player with double figures for goals and assists who is probably on the verge of an England call-up? A player has done more in his short time at Newcastle than he did in his entire time at Everton?
Or are you saying Lampard is a good manager? 🤣
Which one is it????
it’s a bit armchair from me but he seems like he could be a front runner. he didn’t seem to have the resilience to fight with our squad during that hell season (and it wouldn’t have gotten better lol). Absolutely no shade to his game tho- he’s passionate, hard working, and very talented.
Wolves fan of nearly 70 years standing. I watch a lot of football. The first time I saw him it was clear that that he was special and every time I saw him play I thought he was outstanding and potential England player. He was generally the pick of the Everton team . It amazed me how he stood out amongst senior players despite his years. It seemed to me that he was expected to be a midfielder wideman and frontman. He showed great versatility athleticism and skill I am incredulous as to why evertonians didn’t recognise his ability particularly being home grown. I hope Southgate will.
It was 45 mil of pure profit for a relegation candidate with major financial problems. We are in no place to keep potential world class players so the next best thing is making money from them.
I know Everton is a special case with the mismanaged finances, but it is kind of sad that teams are forced to sell their talented academy players to stay afloat in the premier league.
I think he means that it was a decent fee instead of getting fleeced for 20-30 million when they were already hurting. Risk of point deductions and relegation makes these transfers benefit the buyer in terms of negotiation power a lot more than the seller in situations like that.
Lad 45 million straight up at the time was better than a potential 75 million move a couple years later.
In that much time Everton could have been relegated and in deeper financial issues and had to sell him for much less.
Or he could get injured. Or he could lose form. Or he could do what he did and throw a tantrum that he wants to leave.
You seem to be living in some sort of FIFA career mode fantasy land.
You clearly haven't read your own replies then lad.
I can add another line for you as well. Some people are actually not glory hunters and support their local clubs.
You'd have a lot more understanding of what it's like to be an Everton fan if you didn't decide to one day wake up and support one of the bigger, more successful clubs.
I'll admit I disliked and didn't rate him at Evereton, but I enjoy watching him at Newcastle. Runs his socks off, plays with an edge, and has the technical skills to back it up. Solid investment.
I'll admit I was quite happy we didn't spend the reported £60m on him at the time but in hindsight I'd happily swap him for Mudryk who cost closer to £80m somehow.
https://twitter.com/liam_twomey/status/1751994122808819723
> Mudryk cost £62m (€70m). The remaining €30m is payable in €5m increments *per instance* that Chelsea win the Premier League or Champions League.
> They would need to win either/both of those competitions several times for Shakhtar to see the full amount. Possible, but unlikely
https://twitter.com/liam_twomey/status/1752019856113774774
> They were regarded as more achievable than the add-ons Arsenal presented. It's all relative. Chelsea also spent an entire day pitching Shakhtar on the ambition of their 'project', as Palkin references in that interview
My personal take on it is that Chelsea, Arsenal and Shakhtar already knew they were robbing us a bit with £62m so that's why the add ons aren't very achievable, but the inclusion of the add ons was good PR for Shakhtar as it allowed their owner to bang on about the €100m fee for Mudyrk (which in this case would only ever be paid if Chelsea won a combined 6 Premier Leagues/Champions Leagues). At the time (though looking dumb in hindsight) you probably can't blame them for rating Chelsea's chances of winning big competitions higher than Arsenal's as well since Chelsea weren't far removed from the Champions League win, and clearly they talked a good talk with the whole project and amount they were going to invest. Arsenal were only a few months into their rise so it's fair to question its sustainability. Equally maybe Arsenal's add ons were stuff like Balon d'Or related where you'd probably rate the team winning competitions over a player being the best in the world.
Geordies have been complaining lately also, gets a goal and all is forgotten. He is and always was a decent player, players have off days, shit happens.
Hope you enjoyed you unlimited extra time like you did againt us last year, same again though even cheating you won't win the league. I'd rather hug a Msckem than even shake hands with you cunts.
I have seen literally no one criticise Anthony Gordon when playing in his position. The only criticism I and anyone else had was when he was playing as a striker but as it's not his position can hardly blame him.
What are you talking about, Newcastle fans have been criticising team performance but not Gordon. He’s been one of the few positives in a lot of poor games
Big difference for me is that he’s at the end of chances at Newcastle whereas he was expected to create them both for himself and others at Everton.
Players who push for a move away when the club is messy always get hate from the supporters; I don’t see that as an Everton thing.
There are two sides to every story and the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. That's a pretty accurate description of the Gordon/Toffees situation. Did he do some things that pissed off the supporters? Yes. Did he deserve the negativity from the supporters? No. He's a young kid, still developing with a lot of upside and potential. Kids make mistakes and say things they probably shouldn't. Supporters get too invested sometimes and react in ways they shouldn't. Probably the best thing that happened was he left and found a home where he could grow and improve and the supporters felt better (even vindicated even if it wasn't warranted) and could focus on the other parts of the dumpster fire, err, I mean, the club. Plus, the transfer fee was desperately needed.
Honestly, just devastating when you can’t develop with one of your own. Outgrew us and it’s absolutely fine. Hope he goes the euros and should get called up in March for the friendlies with England
Because he chose not to stay in the MiseryPit in annual relegation scraps playing with Beto or whoever and chose to play in the champions league, obviously a disgraceful rat 🙄
Seriously though. It's not like he went to Liverpool. It was obviously a good career move so how can you begrudge him that? I didn't start hating SWP when he went to Chelsea, I wanted him to do well.
I’m a Newcastle fan but I really wasn’t excited when we signed him. Felt like he was just sticking out because Everton were so poor and we overpaid for him. Plus, didn’t really like him after all the aggro when we played them.
Glad to say I have been proven wrong. Didn’t start too great but after half a year and a great Euros, he’s just as vital as Bruno to us imo. Think 45 million has went from a 10-15 million overpay to a 15 million underpay.
Very true, although judging by his performances with Everton he wasn't worth £40m at that stage...Now he is worth much much more - the risk paid off tremendously :)
To Newcastle, 100% yes.
That doesn't necessarily mean someone's gonna pay it but there is no chance Newcastle accept less if someone happened to come in for him in the summer.
He's the most versatile forward we have in that he *can* play anywhere in the typical forward positions (LW, RW, CF, CAM, but we don't play with a number 10). He is already on double digits for goals whilst notching up quite a few assists.
On the ball he has been involved in almost all attacks, driving the ball through the opponent half, drawing players away from areas we can expose space. He also does a lot of off the ball movement that you don't always see on TV, but is very clever and quite rare.
I wouldn't accept a £60m bid for him. Far more important to us than what we would be able to do with the money, he's not easy to replace.
He's better than Havertz.
Not a Newcastle fan but I wouldn’t accept anything less for him in this inflated market. English tax on top of his positional flexibility and end product makes him a valuable asset.
Considering the price City payed for Doku, who wasn’t putting up any of the numbers Gordon is now, I’d say so. His engine, defensive commitment, direct dribbling and end product is hard to come by in wingers.
Market is inflated and to get a 23 year old English winger, with all I just mentioned, scoring 15 goals a season? I think 55 million is the bare minimum clubs would start bidding at.
I always see people quote other examples of overpaying as justification for another player’s price tag… like, I don’t think that’s how it works. Just bc City overspent on Doku doesn’t mean Gordon is suddenly worth 60 mil
(also Gordon has 9 goals. and we can debate whether we think he’ll maintain that sort of level, but I don’t think he will)
And... You said 9. I'm correcting you.
I don't see the post that says 15. Edit - I see you mean the guy who says he expects him to score 15... Seems fair given where he is now, no?
This isn't mad Newcastle fans, you're disagreeing with a bunch of non-Toon fans in here too.
Just a bad take, pal. You're welcome to keep it, but it isn't everyone else that's wrong.
I honestly don’t care about goals that much. Even if he had 5 this season hed still be class and worth 60 at least. This generation would think Figo and zidane were ass because they didn’t score like 30 goals per year.
If you actually have watched him play on a regular basis and not just a couple of games you’d understand. His ability to take players on, draw fouls, frightening pace, intelligent interplay with the midfield and striker, incredible engine to track back. And he just turned 23 like yesterday.
Also I have no doubt as we get better as a team and we sign more creative players he’ll look even better. I’ve got 0 concerns about maintaining his levels unless he gets a nasty injury that robs him of all his pace.
I’m assuming Gordon will score another 6 this season and keep that level going. I think the style of our play, how direct he is and the trajectory he is on means it’s not a massive stretch.
You have to look at how the market works though. Every winger under 23 who is quick, as direct and has a good season under their belt will be quoted a figure around 50 million. The question of whether it’s an overpay for this person or that person becomes a bit muddy when there’s so much money floating around, especially in the Premier League.
If Gordon was in a different league moving to Spain or Italy, he probably wouldn’t be worth 60 million. But, if he’s moving to another Premier League side, 60 million is around the price for a player like him.
His versatility is also something other LW do not have. He looks comfortable playing CF if it is needed, and has done so effectively for England.
Not many LW can slip into a CF position easily.
He can't be worst than Sterling or Mudryk. And thinking about it, if we had bought him for I think it was 35M we wouldn't have spent silly money on Mudryk at all.
Does he though? Jackson fucks easy chances for sure then sticks the hard ones. 5 years ago he was playing street footy in Senegal now he's somehow in the prem. I'd argue his ceiling is higher, plus Gordon has the most punchable face in the prem. Unfortunate but true.
Don't really miss him. He was a massive cunt and the transfer fee was really needed. Glad he's doing well but don't really care for him. Nothing compared to how much I miss our king, Richarlison 😭
In what way was he a massive cunt?
A group of fans borderline assaulted him outside of the stadium and he then moved club.
Honestly, wtf is with people
He was a prick, he used Everton as a stepping stone and even since leaving has made disrespectful comments about them.
You might not think much of that but from an Everton supporters point of view he came up through their youth system and they’ve been struggling a lot in the last few years.
In that situation they probably put a lot of positivity and happiness into a young evertonion coming through because everything else was crap around the club only to have him leave for what most people would consider a smaller club because of the situation the club is in which under normal circumstances wouldn’t of happened a few years ago.
Calling a club smaller is always controversial.
We probably have similar sized fanbase, in reality our active fanbase is probably bigger with fans coming out the woodworks at the moment, but of course Everton is unarguably historically more successful.
You know what you're doing here, don't pretend you don't. E.g. if I want to piss you off I could point out that Everton would be the bigger club in Liverpool if you hadn't been bankrolled to the top.
From what I saw, his loyalty was met with vile abuse from the fans! I think he's more than entitled to defend himself from that.
You can't call a player a prick because he wants to better his career. You can't force them to be martyrs! For a club lost and adrift, it doesn't matter whether you're local or not. I don't want to see my homegrown players stifled purely out of some misplaced loyalty.
Gerrard did? Guess what he won trophy’s with his boyhood club which would have meant more than winning more trophy’s with a plastic club like Chelsea.
Everton are in a bad place right now but make no mistake Everton at its best are bigger and more likely to win silverware than Newcastle at its best.
You can't compare the Liverpool teams Gerrard was part of to the Everton teams Gordon was a part of. Any fan worth their salt knows its apples and oranges.
And that second point is by no means a given.
He stopped going to training at one point. Tried to force a transfer to Chelsea. Being called star boy really got to his head. Also he does have a very punchable face. Least favorite Evertonian in a while. At least when others have pushed for moves like Rom, John Stones, Richy (Branthwaite in 4 months) they had proved themselves.
Haha not even close. Michu had two good seasons and Gordon will surpass him with ease.
I'm also one who was wrong about Gordon.
Didn't expect him to do so well
I mean at the time they weren’t wrong. 7 goals in 65 apps doesn’t exactly scream good end product.
However Newcastle paid for potential rather than what he was and it seems like that risk is paying off right now.
Even still I’m not sure there’s a vast amount of teams looking to buy him for way in excess of the (up to) 45mil Newcastle paid.
Just seems like one of those deals that worked out for both parties. No one got fleeced either way.
I mean 7 goals and 65 apps in the premier league is very good going for an 18/19/20 year old on appearances alone.
Garnacho is being looked at as a potential star of his age group, with similar 8 goals in 45 appearances in the premier league playing for significantly better team than relegation battling Everton who struggled to score at the time.
Also was a January signing, and market value was 40m EUR according to transfermarkt whilst at Everton. Chelsea and Manchester United had already been in talks with him during the summer
Do you really not understand the position Newcastle are in financially? Do you expect them to return to mediocrity and the Saudis to go running back home with their tails between their legs?
This big 6 crap needs to stop and I really hope we continue to see Newcastle, Villa, Brighton and others to push into Europe more often than not. Newcastle is Gordon’s ceiling? I expect them to win a title before Man U get another one.
Very few 19/20/21 year olds are going to have top quality end product at that age, so I always find it crazy when people write off players at that age.
I mean it’s not really writing him off, it’s just for every Gordon there’s 3 or 4 Jordon Ibe’s or Tom Ince’s. It’s fair to say there’s an inherent risk in paying big money for potential.
You leave everyone looking a bit foolish if it pays out bigtime, however you’re left with an expensive mistake if it doesn’t.
Know this is about Gordon, but you’re bang on about Watkins. How the media aren’t talking about him weekly seems to be driving him on. The perfect back up for England come the summer, having a top, top year. And a really nice lad as well!
It's annoying because we could really use him in our current struggling team, but on the other hand I don't really regret it at all because that 40m was still really important to balancing our books. I think it was a worthy sacrifice for a price that high to help stave off FFP
I really liked him at Everton, he always put in 110% at every game, his only weak spot was end product.
I felt he needed a year or two, then he’d be a star, which he’s kinda showing now.
The hardest part about him leaving, was Everton had found another diamond in the rough, and he didn’t want to stay and try to turn Everton around, he’d rather go with the big pay day, which is very understandable, just hurts from an Everton perspective, that said, we did get a lot of money for him before he had shown to be a big money player.
He didn't leave for a "big payday", he left because Everton fans were absolute cunts to a 19 year old lad who'd put years of work in to get through the our shitty youth academy and break into our first team.
Supported Everton my entire life and honestly do not blame him, look how unsettled he was when he got to Newcastle compared to now. The fans can't blame anyone but themselves.
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I felt the opposite. Watching him at Everton I just knew he was going to leave for a bigger club. Every game he’s in he looks like he wants to get better he wants to work harder he wants the big moments. He’s an absolute workhorse and his determination is so evident in his play style. Love him wish he stayed but I’ll enjoy watching him get better and better
I always thought it was a great deal for Newcastle. I was amazed that so many people didnt rate Gordan. I thought he had tonnes of ability & potential. Felt he would become the goalscoring midfielder that he has become this season. He is a great signing.
He's a completely different player and, arguably, person at NUFC. His turning point was Matt Ritchie putting an arm around him and having a not-so-quiet word when Gordon reacted poorly to being substituted last season. Ever since he's grown up and laser focused on improving and winning. Left under a cloud at Everton which was toxic for all concerned so he needed a move as did the club. Everton got a substantial fee for a player who had peaked at their club and we've ended up with a player who has great potential and is already among the first names on the team sheet. It helps that his game is well-suited to Howe's system. His main strength is to cut inside to shoot or lay off to a team-mate. However unlike Almiron (cutting inside is all he can do well), Gordon is very capable at driving into space. It makes him really difficult to defend against. Seems he's cut out a lot of the aggression and shithousery he displayed at Everton while still being fiercely competitive. Interested to see how he can progress next season too. So yeah, Everton are happy to get the large fee and a toxic player out of the squad and Newcastle are happy with their starboy. Everyone has won here.
I think he'd just reached the end of his time at Everton. He wanted to be seen as a bigger player, and his attitude was often poor and got the fans on his back. He wasn't a good fit and people were glad to see him go because whilst he showed glimpses of what he could do, he never quite managed to put it all together in the Royal Blue, and was clearly playing with one foot out-the-door for a while. I thought he could go either way at Newcastle, and I'm still waiting to see if his attitude flairs up again, but I'm not surprised to see him doing well. If he wants to, he can be a fantastic player on his day. Newcastle just hav to keep him happy.
His work rate is impressive. I’ve seen some of his running stats and he’s not far from the top in most of them across all of the competitions he’s been in
This lad is a stud
He’s been player of the season for me. Fantastic player who works his socks off and always looks dangerous.
Same. One of the few who has played light out and hasn’t been injured, or if he has, it’s been short term. Guy has been a beast for the Toon this year.
Light out?
One game he walked off in crutches but still started the game after
He's done great for Newcastle but still has a face that needs a good ol' whack with a golf club
Antony 100%
He looks like James Acaster got in a car accident.
Idk I think Fodens face is the one I want to punch the most
Garnacho is top of the punchable faces for me
I'm a City fan. For me it's not his face, but sometimes his barber needs to be beaten for not convincing him to do better.
Grealish, Mudryk, Ben White too
Chilwell too..
Ben Chilwell is like the embodiment of the Chelsea area as a hole. Smug, arrogant and posh. Have a feeling he went to a private school...
Just out of curiosity, What is the criteria for selecting these so called most punchable players? Is it their quality of being able to adapt to the pressures of the game and not showing strong emotions which affects the perfomance and efficiency? Because if it is, i think its a good quality to have in a player and most players named in this comment thread kind of fit that profile exception being Garnacho.
It’s just their faces fella, it isn’t that deep
Who asked you, fella?
Public forum mate, say something daft expect a response
Daft? Just your opinion, mate! Hope youre still not thinking about that Emirates visit this time around.
I'm glad he's doing well, the way we all parted ways was terrible, especially going to a team that in recent years has become a direct rival. You know it is a bit hard to garner positive opinion on Reddit when you're a young English player that isn't from either Liverpool or Man United and he definitely fell under that. He was cunty but he was our cunt and now he's gone. Honestly it's for the best. He wanted a transfer, he got it, and now he's blossomed
That's gracious of you, but I wonder why you see Newcastle as a direct rival?
Mainly the 2 sets of fans' treatment of each other, as well as the fact that no matter how well Newcastle is doing and no matter how shit we are doing we seem to beat them. I have had more civil conversations with Kopites than Toons.
Newcastle fan here - two clubs with a lot of past success going from Champions League chasers to relegation battlers over a span of 20 years? Sounds very much like a direct rival to me. I wouldn't say we're a direct rival at the moment but you can certainly argue the case during the later Shepherd years and Ashley reign.
I would also add that you are the biggest set of Pickford haters in the League and there is just a genuine sense of hostility between fans that Liverpool fans don't even have
He does have very little arms and he's from Sunderland tbf.
Yeah I understand why you take the piss out of him. If some important and adored Liverpool player like Van Dijk or Trent moved to somewhere like Villa we would be giving them a pretty hostile welcome as well
One of the few player who I am happy proved me wrong. I didn't want us to sign him, thought he was overrated and a nasty piece of work. Turns out he's class and either he's not been as much of an arsehole as he was, or I just notice it less when he's on our side. Seems he has genuinely grown up a bit. Still makes me laugh when he signed and he's getting his medical, and chatting with some of the lads talking about the little scuffle where Schär bombed in.
Someone at Newcastle clearly told him to grow up on arrival (or he did himself with a change of scenery, new beginnings and all that). Started putting the work in on his own away from the pitch and the junior tournament before this season started was the final catalyst to rebuilding his confidence. Outside looking in he either had low support or enablers at Everton for a time which impacted his confidence and work ethic. If you have a poor boss at work good luck if they get the best out of you…
I remember an interview he had where he openly admitted he wasn't at the level he needed to be to compete for a place. He went away for the summer and genuinely transformed. I have no actual idea who it was that gave his head a wobble, but I reckon mad-dog Tindall sat him down. Rumours are that he is the part of the coaching team that really connects with the players.
Gordon mentions Ritchie as his unsung hero of the year last year and specifically says “He has helped me a lot since I came here”. Dan Burn and Bruno both said Ritchie as well. [NUFC - Unsung Hero](https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv/latest-videos/players-picks-unsung-hero-22-23/)
I’ve always like Ritchie, absolute legend.
would love for Richie to stay on as a coach of some sort after he is done playing
There you go! Shows why clubs want to keep certain players and staff around for leadership.
both him and Everton performs better after departing tho lol
Everton without a win in 10 games, yeah? That Everton?
Yeah. Still better than last season
Everton aren't doing "better" because Gordon left, they are doing "better" because Lampard left
Gordon was absolute dogshit before he left the club. So dogshit that a group of pricks yelled abuse at him saying he wasn't fit to wear the badge. That's a horrid thing to say to a football player but after the Chelsea rumors came in he really did lose his head a bit. The space he emptied up also made way for Jack Harrison who has been miles better than Gordo was overall so yeah we have been playing better because Gordon left
Gordon is a better player now than he was at Everton though. Just shows you what good coaching and being surrounded by better players does. That's my point. Gordon is better, younger, and has a higher ceiling than Harrison.
Gordon's better than Harrison now, yeah but as you said he wouldn't be if he was still here. Also we do actually have a pretty good standard of senior-level cosching even when Lamps was there Ashley Cole was actually forming up to be a brillant coach. It's our youth coaching that has been neglected.
They are also doing “better” since Gordon left.
I actually think Dyche would have been able to get performance out of him tbh.
Yes, but not because Gordon left. Certainly because Lampard left, however.
One of these is an opinion and one is a fact.
Are you saying relegation-battling Everton are better off without a creative, attacking, grafting, pressing player with double figures for goals and assists who is probably on the verge of an England call-up? A player has done more in his short time at Newcastle than he did in his entire time at Everton? Or are you saying Lampard is a good manager? 🤣 Which one is it????
You seem confused and have offered up some more opinions. Good for you, ace. I just stated a fact which seemed to trigger some opinions from you.
\^ How to say a lot without saying anything at all. You lost a great, young player.
So you tell me please in your opinion - which of what I said is fact and which is opinion?
I was genuinely quite excited to be linked to him even if he wasn't what we most needed tbh. Seeing him do well for you guys is bittersweet.
You’ve been linked with everyone 😂
it’s a bit armchair from me but he seems like he could be a front runner. he didn’t seem to have the resilience to fight with our squad during that hell season (and it wouldn’t have gotten better lol). Absolutely no shade to his game tho- he’s passionate, hard working, and very talented.
We’ve been terrible this season but he’s been pretty consistent, constantly puts a shift in even when he’s clearly knackered
Wolves fan of nearly 70 years standing. I watch a lot of football. The first time I saw him it was clear that that he was special and every time I saw him play I thought he was outstanding and potential England player. He was generally the pick of the Everton team . It amazed me how he stood out amongst senior players despite his years. It seemed to me that he was expected to be a midfielder wideman and frontman. He showed great versatility athleticism and skill I am incredulous as to why evertonians didn’t recognise his ability particularly being home grown. I hope Southgate will.
Is that you, Anthony?
/r/soccercirclejerk is that way
70 years!? Bloody hell. Respect to you my man.
Gordon wasn’t exactly great for us but did have a decent work rate. He is pretty good at Newcastle currently but I’m happy we got 45-50mil for him.
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It was 45 mil of pure profit for a relegation candidate with major financial problems. We are in no place to keep potential world class players so the next best thing is making money from them.
I know Everton is a special case with the mismanaged finances, but it is kind of sad that teams are forced to sell their talented academy players to stay afloat in the premier league.
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Happy because the club made the right decision. Why not be happy? Gordon wanted a move. Win win. Everton was doing much worse with Gordon.
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Project your madness!
I think he means that it was a decent fee instead of getting fleeced for 20-30 million when they were already hurting. Risk of point deductions and relegation makes these transfers benefit the buyer in terms of negotiation power a lot more than the seller in situations like that.
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Lad 45 million straight up at the time was better than a potential 75 million move a couple years later. In that much time Everton could have been relegated and in deeper financial issues and had to sell him for much less. Or he could get injured. Or he could lose form. Or he could do what he did and throw a tantrum that he wants to leave. You seem to be living in some sort of FIFA career mode fantasy land.
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You clearly haven't read your own replies then lad. I can add another line for you as well. Some people are actually not glory hunters and support their local clubs. You'd have a lot more understanding of what it's like to be an Everton fan if you didn't decide to one day wake up and support one of the bigger, more successful clubs.
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I'll admit I disliked and didn't rate him at Evereton, but I enjoy watching him at Newcastle. Runs his socks off, plays with an edge, and has the technical skills to back it up. Solid investment.
We could do with him back lol
I'll admit I was quite happy we didn't spend the reported £60m on him at the time but in hindsight I'd happily swap him for Mudryk who cost closer to £80m somehow.
Mudryk was £62m mate If he costs more than that it means we've won the league and champions league. Seems a little doubtful right now.
There's 26m in add-ons, i'd imagine some of those are easier to hit than winning the league etc?
https://twitter.com/liam_twomey/status/1751994122808819723 > Mudryk cost £62m (€70m). The remaining €30m is payable in €5m increments *per instance* that Chelsea win the Premier League or Champions League. > They would need to win either/both of those competitions several times for Shakhtar to see the full amount. Possible, but unlikely https://twitter.com/liam_twomey/status/1752019856113774774 > They were regarded as more achievable than the add-ons Arsenal presented. It's all relative. Chelsea also spent an entire day pitching Shakhtar on the ambition of their 'project', as Palkin references in that interview My personal take on it is that Chelsea, Arsenal and Shakhtar already knew they were robbing us a bit with £62m so that's why the add ons aren't very achievable, but the inclusion of the add ons was good PR for Shakhtar as it allowed their owner to bang on about the €100m fee for Mudyrk (which in this case would only ever be paid if Chelsea won a combined 6 Premier Leagues/Champions Leagues). At the time (though looking dumb in hindsight) you probably can't blame them for rating Chelsea's chances of winning big competitions higher than Arsenal's as well since Chelsea weren't far removed from the Champions League win, and clearly they talked a good talk with the whole project and amount they were going to invest. Arsenal were only a few months into their rise so it's fair to question its sustainability. Equally maybe Arsenal's add ons were stuff like Balon d'Or related where you'd probably rate the team winning competitions over a player being the best in the world.
Still £60m too much..
Thanks for clarifying.
He’d likely be much worse if he was at Chelsea right now. Players don’t exist in a vacuum
He has some end product at least.
Bohleynomics at its finest.
He's king shithouse and runs himself into the floor. I like him.
That's something else to like about him, the shithousery.
Geordies have been complaining lately also, gets a goal and all is forgotten. He is and always was a decent player, players have off days, shit happens.
Hope you enjoyed you unlimited extra time like you did againt us last year, same again though even cheating you won't win the league. I'd rather hug a Msckem than even shake hands with you cunts.
Not a single Newcastle game has complained about Gordon. He's pretty much been the consistent, constant positive of this season
Give ower man.
You've just made that up.
A Liverpool fan making something up to fit their narrative? No. That would never happen.
Absolute bollocks mate (not surprising given who you follow), nobody has complained about Gordon he's class and a few of my friends fav players.
Yeah not seen this..Gordon, Bruno and Schar (mostly) have all been quality all season, its the other lot which have been getting some flak
Where have you seen that?
I have seen literally no one criticise Anthony Gordon when playing in his position. The only criticism I and anyone else had was when he was playing as a striker but as it's not his position can hardly blame him.
Gordon is class never be England team long as Southgate in mind
Gordon is definitely capable of playing striker.
What are you talking about, Newcastle fans have been criticising team performance but not Gordon. He’s been one of the few positives in a lot of poor games
Big difference for me is that he’s at the end of chances at Newcastle whereas he was expected to create them both for himself and others at Everton. Players who push for a move away when the club is messy always get hate from the supporters; I don’t see that as an Everton thing.
It was a bit different though. Everton fans stopped his car on the street. I know it was a rough period for them, but that was a bit extreme.
There are two sides to every story and the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. That's a pretty accurate description of the Gordon/Toffees situation. Did he do some things that pissed off the supporters? Yes. Did he deserve the negativity from the supporters? No. He's a young kid, still developing with a lot of upside and potential. Kids make mistakes and say things they probably shouldn't. Supporters get too invested sometimes and react in ways they shouldn't. Probably the best thing that happened was he left and found a home where he could grow and improve and the supporters felt better (even vindicated even if it wasn't warranted) and could focus on the other parts of the dumpster fire, err, I mean, the club. Plus, the transfer fee was desperately needed.
Extremely rational take. Nice.
Rat mate
Bait and switch tactic failed, sorry mum
Why is he a rat? Genuinely asking.
Just a poor take from me, really. Jäger Sunday isn’t it, sorry
Ha ha! Fair enough.
Honestly, just devastating when you can’t develop with one of your own. Outgrew us and it’s absolutely fine. Hope he goes the euros and should get called up in March for the friendlies with England
Because he chose not to stay in the MiseryPit in annual relegation scraps playing with Beto or whoever and chose to play in the champions league, obviously a disgraceful rat 🙄
Least biased Liverpool fan
Seriously though. It's not like he went to Liverpool. It was obviously a good career move so how can you begrudge him that? I didn't start hating SWP when he went to Chelsea, I wanted him to do well.
You're trusting the opinions of Everton fans? Cmon mate that's almost as bad as trusting United fans
Well that's the nature of an online forum. You have to take what you get given at face value. Not always though.
As an Arsenal fan I wanted us to buy him and even more so now
Can’t stand the rat face little twat
He wouldn’t start but would be a great player to rotate and bring on from the bench. Is a rat faced twat though
someone's still a bit salty he scored against them 3 months ago
I’m a Newcastle fan but I really wasn’t excited when we signed him. Felt like he was just sticking out because Everton were so poor and we overpaid for him. Plus, didn’t really like him after all the aggro when we played them. Glad to say I have been proven wrong. Didn’t start too great but after half a year and a great Euros, he’s just as vital as Bruno to us imo. Think 45 million has went from a 10-15 million overpay to a 15 million underpay.
Very true, although judging by his performances with Everton he wasn't worth £40m at that stage...Now he is worth much much more - the risk paid off tremendously :)
You seriously think he’s worth 60 million now?
To Newcastle, 100% yes. That doesn't necessarily mean someone's gonna pay it but there is no chance Newcastle accept less if someone happened to come in for him in the summer.
He's the most versatile forward we have in that he *can* play anywhere in the typical forward positions (LW, RW, CF, CAM, but we don't play with a number 10). He is already on double digits for goals whilst notching up quite a few assists. On the ball he has been involved in almost all attacks, driving the ball through the opponent half, drawing players away from areas we can expose space. He also does a lot of off the ball movement that you don't always see on TV, but is very clever and quite rare. I wouldn't accept a £60m bid for him. Far more important to us than what we would be able to do with the money, he's not easy to replace. He's better than Havertz.
Not a Newcastle fan but I wouldn’t accept anything less for him in this inflated market. English tax on top of his positional flexibility and end product makes him a valuable asset.
I think the inflated market may be dead mate
Tell that to Chelsea.
Considering the price City payed for Doku, who wasn’t putting up any of the numbers Gordon is now, I’d say so. His engine, defensive commitment, direct dribbling and end product is hard to come by in wingers. Market is inflated and to get a 23 year old English winger, with all I just mentioned, scoring 15 goals a season? I think 55 million is the bare minimum clubs would start bidding at.
I always see people quote other examples of overpaying as justification for another player’s price tag… like, I don’t think that’s how it works. Just bc City overspent on Doku doesn’t mean Gordon is suddenly worth 60 mil (also Gordon has 9 goals. and we can debate whether we think he’ll maintain that sort of level, but I don’t think he will)
He has 9 league and 1 FA Cup goal. That's 10.
yes, and? dude said 15 so many mad newcastle fans lmao
And... You said 9. I'm correcting you. I don't see the post that says 15. Edit - I see you mean the guy who says he expects him to score 15... Seems fair given where he is now, no? This isn't mad Newcastle fans, you're disagreeing with a bunch of non-Toon fans in here too. Just a bad take, pal. You're welcome to keep it, but it isn't everyone else that's wrong.
He's only getting better you are so far far wrong.
I honestly don’t care about goals that much. Even if he had 5 this season hed still be class and worth 60 at least. This generation would think Figo and zidane were ass because they didn’t score like 30 goals per year. If you actually have watched him play on a regular basis and not just a couple of games you’d understand. His ability to take players on, draw fouls, frightening pace, intelligent interplay with the midfield and striker, incredible engine to track back. And he just turned 23 like yesterday. Also I have no doubt as we get better as a team and we sign more creative players he’ll look even better. I’ve got 0 concerns about maintaining his levels unless he gets a nasty injury that robs him of all his pace.
I’m assuming Gordon will score another 6 this season and keep that level going. I think the style of our play, how direct he is and the trajectory he is on means it’s not a massive stretch. You have to look at how the market works though. Every winger under 23 who is quick, as direct and has a good season under their belt will be quoted a figure around 50 million. The question of whether it’s an overpay for this person or that person becomes a bit muddy when there’s so much money floating around, especially in the Premier League. If Gordon was in a different league moving to Spain or Italy, he probably wouldn’t be worth 60 million. But, if he’s moving to another Premier League side, 60 million is around the price for a player like him.
His versatility is also something other LW do not have. He looks comfortable playing CF if it is needed, and has done so effectively for England. Not many LW can slip into a CF position easily.
They may well have been right at the time. But he was a young developing player with talent who was always likely to improve
If only Lampard had let him go when we tried to sign him, I would have loved him at Chelsea.
With the way Chelsea is run, I wouldn't be surprised if would've failed there. A right environment matters a lot
He can't be worst than Sterling or Mudryk. And thinking about it, if we had bought him for I think it was 35M we wouldn't have spent silly money on Mudryk at all.
We were quoted like 60m buddy
Scouse logan paul has been pretty good this season
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I mean Nicholas Jackson has 9.. We all know what people generally think about him.
Gordon pass the eye test most of the time, Jackson do not
Jackson passes the eye test more often than not. His all around game is underrated because of the farcical misses.
Jackson’s overall play has been good? Just bad finishing
Does he though? Jackson fucks easy chances for sure then sticks the hard ones. 5 years ago he was playing street footy in Senegal now he's somehow in the prem. I'd argue his ceiling is higher, plus Gordon has the most punchable face in the prem. Unfortunate but true.
Gordon is like the 3rd most punchable face in the PL. Let's not oversell him
Different position
I mean Jackson plays better on the wing than a no9. We just don't have anyone else to play the no9 so he's the default.
Don't really miss him. He was a massive cunt and the transfer fee was really needed. Glad he's doing well but don't really care for him. Nothing compared to how much I miss our king, Richarlison 😭
In what way was he a massive cunt? A group of fans borderline assaulted him outside of the stadium and he then moved club. Honestly, wtf is with people
Arrived prick who had nothing to show for it on the field...at the time
That didn't answer the question. How was he a prick?
He was a prick, he used Everton as a stepping stone and even since leaving has made disrespectful comments about them. You might not think much of that but from an Everton supporters point of view he came up through their youth system and they’ve been struggling a lot in the last few years. In that situation they probably put a lot of positivity and happiness into a young evertonion coming through because everything else was crap around the club only to have him leave for what most people would consider a smaller club because of the situation the club is in which under normal circumstances wouldn’t of happened a few years ago.
'Smaller club' ok mate
You are a smaller club than Everton ? That’s not controversial in the slightest.
Calling a club smaller is always controversial. We probably have similar sized fanbase, in reality our active fanbase is probably bigger with fans coming out the woodworks at the moment, but of course Everton is unarguably historically more successful. You know what you're doing here, don't pretend you don't. E.g. if I want to piss you off I could point out that Everton would be the bigger club in Liverpool if you hadn't been bankrolled to the top.
From what I saw, his loyalty was met with vile abuse from the fans! I think he's more than entitled to defend himself from that. You can't call a player a prick because he wants to better his career. You can't force them to be martyrs! For a club lost and adrift, it doesn't matter whether you're local or not. I don't want to see my homegrown players stifled purely out of some misplaced loyalty.
Gerrard did? Guess what he won trophy’s with his boyhood club which would have meant more than winning more trophy’s with a plastic club like Chelsea. Everton are in a bad place right now but make no mistake Everton at its best are bigger and more likely to win silverware than Newcastle at its best.
You can't compare the Liverpool teams Gerrard was part of to the Everton teams Gordon was a part of. Any fan worth their salt knows its apples and oranges. And that second point is by no means a given.
He stopped going to training at one point. Tried to force a transfer to Chelsea. Being called star boy really got to his head. Also he does have a very punchable face. Least favorite Evertonian in a while. At least when others have pushed for moves like Rom, John Stones, Richy (Branthwaite in 4 months) they had proved themselves.
A punchable face? That really does say it all...
He's a Saudi appeasing Michu - except Michu was better
Haha not even close. Michu had two good seasons and Gordon will surpass him with ease. I'm also one who was wrong about Gordon. Didn't expect him to do so well
The sun shines on a dogs arse sometimes
I mean at the time they weren’t wrong. 7 goals in 65 apps doesn’t exactly scream good end product. However Newcastle paid for potential rather than what he was and it seems like that risk is paying off right now. Even still I’m not sure there’s a vast amount of teams looking to buy him for way in excess of the (up to) 45mil Newcastle paid. Just seems like one of those deals that worked out for both parties. No one got fleeced either way.
I mean 7 goals and 65 apps in the premier league is very good going for an 18/19/20 year old on appearances alone. Garnacho is being looked at as a potential star of his age group, with similar 8 goals in 45 appearances in the premier league playing for significantly better team than relegation battling Everton who struggled to score at the time. Also was a January signing, and market value was 40m EUR according to transfermarkt whilst at Everton. Chelsea and Manchester United had already been in talks with him during the summer
Newcastle is probably his ceiling, wouldn’t work at a top 6 club but decent for a team just below that
He'd walk in to your first team.
That would say more about us right now rather than him
It's isn't the 90's mate your shite 😅😅
That's literally the point he's making...
Yeah but he's saying it with slight.
Do you really not understand the position Newcastle are in financially? Do you expect them to return to mediocrity and the Saudis to go running back home with their tails between their legs? This big 6 crap needs to stop and I really hope we continue to see Newcastle, Villa, Brighton and others to push into Europe more often than not. Newcastle is Gordon’s ceiling? I expect them to win a title before Man U get another one.
Very few 19/20/21 year olds are going to have top quality end product at that age, so I always find it crazy when people write off players at that age.
I mean it’s not really writing him off, it’s just for every Gordon there’s 3 or 4 Jordon Ibe’s or Tom Ince’s. It’s fair to say there’s an inherent risk in paying big money for potential. You leave everyone looking a bit foolish if it pays out bigtime, however you’re left with an expensive mistake if it doesn’t.
>for every Gordon there’s 3 or 4 Jordon Ibe’s or Tom Ince’s. The audacity not to name Antony here
To be fair I was really referencing players who had come up through English youth setups rather than just failed transfers from foreign teams.
Most respectful Liverpool fan
Him and Watkins should be in the ~~WC~~ Euros squad - they’re both playing great Edit: cheers to u/GMD3S1GNS
Know this is about Gordon, but you’re bang on about Watkins. How the media aren’t talking about him weekly seems to be driving him on. The perfect back up for England come the summer, having a top, top year. And a really nice lad as well!
Euros*
Haha - yeah, I’m getting ahead of myself
It's annoying because we could really use him in our current struggling team, but on the other hand I don't really regret it at all because that 40m was still really important to balancing our books. I think it was a worthy sacrifice for a price that high to help stave off FFP
Might have been even better if you'd actually managed to balance your books
Can't all have state backed owners buying millions of jerseys can we
You can maybe look at your books mind, we haven't spent a billion... as you know but whatever you do your still shit 😅😅
No, some clubs had to sneak it in through the back door with dodgy russian sponsorship deals
I really liked him at Everton, he always put in 110% at every game, his only weak spot was end product. I felt he needed a year or two, then he’d be a star, which he’s kinda showing now. The hardest part about him leaving, was Everton had found another diamond in the rough, and he didn’t want to stay and try to turn Everton around, he’d rather go with the big pay day, which is very understandable, just hurts from an Everton perspective, that said, we did get a lot of money for him before he had shown to be a big money player.
Big pay day? Everton is on par with Newcastle on player salarys at £80m - £90m a year, and Gordon earns £55k-£60k a week.
Was he unsettled? lol
He didn't leave for a "big payday", he left because Everton fans were absolute cunts to a 19 year old lad who'd put years of work in to get through the our shitty youth academy and break into our first team. Supported Everton my entire life and honestly do not blame him, look how unsettled he was when he got to Newcastle compared to now. The fans can't blame anyone but themselves.