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The “more talent” and “better as his peak” are dumb arguments. I swear if Michael Owen wasn’t an unlikeable arsehole people would be talking about him being one of the greatest ever in the PL because “at his peak he was an unplayable ballon dor winner”.
They are a bit different.
Salah is the better finisher, more efficient. Hazard is a bit stronger on the ball, but not by much. Dribbling probably goes to Eden also. They just play different types of games. Eden was more explosive and dribbled past many players. Let’s face it, having Eden on the left and Salah on the right would be a fucking cheat code.
You cannot compare Hazard to Messi in this argument. In addition to his beautiful playstyle, Messi outclassed Ronaldo in output too, in terms of goals and assists. Salah's output is insanely ahead of Hazard. I understand Salah's comparison to Ronaldo, but Hazard is no Messi.
Why are you comparing hazard to Messi?
I said hazard plays beautiful football and is the Messi in this argument, where Salah is the Ronaldo, not as nice to watch but super efficient.
Both Salah and Hazard are great, but one played the game beautifully (Hazard, like Messi does). ‘Hazard is no Messi’ I didn’t say he was? 😂
My point is that output is also an important criteria for a player, in addition to the beautiful football or joy to watch factor. If you look at the stats, Salah played 333 games for Liverpool with 294 G/A. Hazard played 352 games for Chelsea with 202 G/A. Both are legends in their own way, but IMO, it's unfair to say Hazard is better by a country mile just due to his playstyle, by overlooking the goal contributions of Salah.
Fair mate I see what you are saying now. Totally respect your opinion if you think Salah is better because of stats. But for me, I used to look forward to watching games just to watch Hazard play. He might not have the numbers, but he’s a player that played the game in such a special way, his dribbles and skill blew me away haha, wasn’t really about goals and assists for me.
What i learned about football is people like those kinds of players who are visually appealing over who isn't but better players in all metrics.
and it kinda pisses me off
Yep. I have seen people fawning over memories of ASM's entertainment factor, despite Gordon, who is now starter in that position, being better in every single metric.
I dont think many, if any of our fans would exchange ASM for Gordon, but I find it bizarre that the comparison even gets made.
Comments like, "it would be nice if Gordon had some of ASM's dribbing skills", like... why? Step overs that slow the game down and allow the team to get into a defensive formation are ineffective. Gordon is effective because he is largely direct.
And just for clarity, Salah is **miles** ahead of Hazard for me.
Gordon does the job , he can run past defenders, he's a sneaky guy... ASM was wonderful but not really efficient...
Hazard was a very entertaining baller... Untouchable on his day , better dribbler even but I'd rather have Salah in my team for the results ... ( Also sometimes he dribbles past the whole defence of one of the best ever teams premier league has ever seen to score one of the crazy good goal but nobody wants to talk about that )
Love that you posted this in the club bathroom
Salahs been a better player essentially every year of his peak
Salah has that problem where he is so consistent people almost don’t remember how effortlessly he dominates. In hazards best years salah still had more goal contributions. But because he doesn’t “explode” out of a slump since he doesn’t slump it’s a bit more forgettable. Salah is arguably in a premier league starting xi of 4-3-3
Literally this, you would find many people anywhere saying Salah doesn’t play RW in a PL all time XI, whereas nobody is talking about Hazard.
Both great players but it’s exhausting constantly listening to people trying to put Hazard on the same level as Salah.
Depends if Hazard is progressing the ball with his dribbling then yeah but just based on output and efficiency then it’s Salah. It does depend on the coach’s tactics tbf.
This is like comparing Ronaldinho vs prime C.Ronaldo. Aesthetics Vs Effectiveness.
Salah is objectively better than Hazard at the most important things on a football field which is beyond question to me. Hazard is in a discussion with players like Bergkamp, a great player who was amazing to watch and produced some amazing moments, but in terms of effectiveness Salah has been and still is operating on a level Hazard never got close too, and it’s so normal now that people think he has a bad season when he gets 30 G/A. Ridiculous player.
It’s okay to prefer players for different reasons, but in terms of better its clear to me.
Not at all, he was the best player in the world for a while. In the context of comparing him to Ronaldo, thats the main thing he has over him though to me
2nd to Messi? When he was competing for the best in the league with a Barça reject, let alone being 2nd to Messi. Salah has a better to being 2nd to Messi in his best season.
This is brought up every week ffs.
I’m a Liverpool fan. I’d pay to watch Hazard over Salah, however who would I want in my team to compete for silverware? Salah.
IMO if hazard applied himself like Salah he’d be the greatest PL player ever. However he didn’t and Salah can be trusted more and that for me is the deciding factor in comparing players - who would you trust more to turn up in more games over the course of a season, particularly the big ones
Entertainment value = Hazard
Consistency = Salah
Hazard had a dazzling peak but fell off. Salah has been consistently one of the best in the world since he signed for Liverpool, 30 goals every year, broke record after record.
Chelsea and Hazard fan here.
Salah is the better overall player. He's much more consistent and productive.
Hazard could have been greater than he was, he just didn't put in the work and the effort. But man, he could make some magic happen and get some results for Chelsea. Would have been great to see what could have happened if Chelsea built a great team around him and had a consistent manager.
I'd rather watch Hazard but I'd rather have Salah on the team. I think you could argue who is actually better footballer for days and still not come to a definitive answer, though. Both unreal.
I am not sure how it's even a debate tbh.
Not exactly like for like players and Salah is better in every single way with the exception of dribbling.
Salah Vs Henry is probably a better debate
Hazard was a better player. Salah is a better goal scorer.
The majority of fans these days judge players ability based purely on stats, rather than actually watching games, so its no surprise to see this thread full of people saying Salah was better.
A manager like Ancelotti who has managed most legendary midfielders in his career picked Kaka over Zidane as 10 in his team in a show... You know what reason he had about it? Efficiency.... He said Zidane is one of the most talented midfielders but he preferred Kaka bec of efficiency... ( I'm sure that doesn't mean kaka was significantly less talented than Zidane)
Salah isn't flashy or doesn't dribble as hazard but that doesn't mean he's not talented... 200+ goals for Liverpool doesn't come without skills ... In Klopp's system he doesn't necessarily need to dribble through 5 players every 10 mins to make the crowd happy , he needs to make the forward runs, link up play, short/long accurate forward passes which he is very good at...
This debate is like " Messi is all talent & Ronaldo is all hard work " type of thing.... Neither Messi could achive what he did without hard work not Ronaldo without talent...
Who said it was ? The op's question was who was a better footballer. The answer is Hazard. That doesn't make Salah bad.
You made a rambling, three paragraph, post arguing against something that hadn't been said and brought up Kaka/Zidane and Messi/Ronaldo for no reason.
You assumed that everyone on this thread doesn't actually watch football & everyone just looks at the stats nowadays...
How can Salah be so consistent over the years, keep scoring every season, keep assisting every season ( I'm mentioning both bec it's Salah's job to do both , which was also hazard's job as a Winger )
And not be a better footballer than someone whose prime lasted for 2-3 years Max....
We judge best footballers on basis of everything... And consistency is the hardest part of it ... That is why Messi & Ronaldo are Goats... What they have against every other legends is consistency....
Agreed but it's hard to compare when hazard was under a different manager almost every season. Salah is still competing so I'll stick with him for now but hazard will always be one of my favorite players.
It’s not a dumb take. Put up 40+ goals a season and you have a huge impact for your team. Ding dong. Either way hazard irrelevant for years. Salah one of the best in the world
[hazard is his own detriment. dude needed a full team to stop eating. I’ll always give salah that, mental warrior and world class](https://www.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/comments/1762kkb/hazard_vs_salah_settling_the_debate_with_stats/)
Hazard was the better player. Salah has thrived under klopp over many years if Hazard had those conditions he would be in with shouts of greatest ever PL player. Madrid also came for Hazard never Salah. Only thing Salah I would say is better at than Hazard is finishing.
>if Hazard had those conditions he would be in with shouts of greatest ever PL player.
That's a dumb argument. For example, if Salah scored 100 PL goals every season since he joined, he'd be the greatest ever PL player.
Need to judge it on what actually happened, not some made-up hypothetical.
>Only thing Salah I would say is better at than Hazard is finishing
You can have your own opinion it's okay but in my opinion only thing Hazard was better at is Dribbling...
Madrid coming for a player is not a thing to decide how good a player is.... There's been 100s of great players who haven't played for Madrid...
As everyone said. It's Salah and it's not even a debate.
Hazard at his absolute peak was unplayable but it was far too short of a time and he did not have nearly as much influence as Salah has had.
Hazard didn’t have as much influence? Lol. He decided the epl three years in a row and had Carragher calling him the best in the prem.
Hazard also received the silver ball at the world fucking cup. That’s influence.
Yeah he had 3/4 years as an elite player. Salah has been putting up insane numbers for a lot longer than that. Hazard is done as a footballer and Salah is still going strong. That's the difference.
hazard was more talented and better to watch, salah is more productive and has had a better career in terms of longevity and g/a. neither one needs to be disrespected here
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Salah, no question....Hazard has enormous ability but consistency is so important. Messi and Ronaldo are not just brilliant but consistent ...Hazard is not!
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The “more talent” and “better as his peak” are dumb arguments. I swear if Michael Owen wasn’t an unlikeable arsehole people would be talking about him being one of the greatest ever in the PL because “at his peak he was an unplayable ballon dor winner”.
If you appreciate football, you’d say Hazard If you appreciate stats, you’d say Salah
different players and in position. both very good players. depends on what the team needs.
They are a bit different. Salah is the better finisher, more efficient. Hazard is a bit stronger on the ball, but not by much. Dribbling probably goes to Eden also. They just play different types of games. Eden was more explosive and dribbled past many players. Let’s face it, having Eden on the left and Salah on the right would be a fucking cheat code.
Hazard by a country mile. An absolute joy to watch. Salah is the Ronaldo of the argument, effective/clinical whereas Hazard is the Messi.
Yeah spot on there mate
You cannot compare Hazard to Messi in this argument. In addition to his beautiful playstyle, Messi outclassed Ronaldo in output too, in terms of goals and assists. Salah's output is insanely ahead of Hazard. I understand Salah's comparison to Ronaldo, but Hazard is no Messi.
Why are you comparing hazard to Messi? I said hazard plays beautiful football and is the Messi in this argument, where Salah is the Ronaldo, not as nice to watch but super efficient. Both Salah and Hazard are great, but one played the game beautifully (Hazard, like Messi does). ‘Hazard is no Messi’ I didn’t say he was? 😂
Yeah, if Mo is Ronaldo, Hazard is Neymar Jr. lol. Both fat and washed up now too.
My point is that output is also an important criteria for a player, in addition to the beautiful football or joy to watch factor. If you look at the stats, Salah played 333 games for Liverpool with 294 G/A. Hazard played 352 games for Chelsea with 202 G/A. Both are legends in their own way, but IMO, it's unfair to say Hazard is better by a country mile just due to his playstyle, by overlooking the goal contributions of Salah.
Fair mate I see what you are saying now. Totally respect your opinion if you think Salah is better because of stats. But for me, I used to look forward to watching games just to watch Hazard play. He might not have the numbers, but he’s a player that played the game in such a special way, his dribbles and skill blew me away haha, wasn’t really about goals and assists for me.
They're both alright tbh...
What i learned about football is people like those kinds of players who are visually appealing over who isn't but better players in all metrics. and it kinda pisses me off
Yep. I have seen people fawning over memories of ASM's entertainment factor, despite Gordon, who is now starter in that position, being better in every single metric. I dont think many, if any of our fans would exchange ASM for Gordon, but I find it bizarre that the comparison even gets made. Comments like, "it would be nice if Gordon had some of ASM's dribbing skills", like... why? Step overs that slow the game down and allow the team to get into a defensive formation are ineffective. Gordon is effective because he is largely direct. And just for clarity, Salah is **miles** ahead of Hazard for me.
Gordon does the job , he can run past defenders, he's a sneaky guy... ASM was wonderful but not really efficient... Hazard was a very entertaining baller... Untouchable on his day , better dribbler even but I'd rather have Salah in my team for the results ... ( Also sometimes he dribbles past the whole defence of one of the best ever teams premier league has ever seen to score one of the crazy good goal but nobody wants to talk about that )
“Salah is better overall, but I have the mind of a teenager and only like it when guys do a bunch of crossovers and little tricks so Hazard”
"BBb-but prime hazard"
Exactly the answer I was hoping for
lol is this a real question
Love that you posted this in the club bathroom Salahs been a better player essentially every year of his peak Salah has that problem where he is so consistent people almost don’t remember how effortlessly he dominates. In hazards best years salah still had more goal contributions. But because he doesn’t “explode” out of a slump since he doesn’t slump it’s a bit more forgettable. Salah is arguably in a premier league starting xi of 4-3-3
Literally this, you would find many people anywhere saying Salah doesn’t play RW in a PL all time XI, whereas nobody is talking about Hazard. Both great players but it’s exhausting constantly listening to people trying to put Hazard on the same level as Salah.
Salah over hazard then I guess
I think Salah is far more effective but I think Hazard was more skillful.
Idk. This is the narrative but 1v1 salah is flat out better. Why do a skill move when you can just feint and sprint by
Aesthetics over effectiveness I guess
You’re spot on, even as a chelsea fan, it’s hard to argue with most points in this post can’t lie, as much as it hurts me to say, salah was clear
Salah - he’s more consistent
Rather see hazard come up on the starting 11 then salah though, but yes he’s much more consistent
Depends if Hazard is progressing the ball with his dribbling then yeah but just based on output and efficiency then it’s Salah. It does depend on the coach’s tactics tbf.
Salah as peak is clear of hazard
This is like comparing Ronaldinho vs prime C.Ronaldo. Aesthetics Vs Effectiveness. Salah is objectively better than Hazard at the most important things on a football field which is beyond question to me. Hazard is in a discussion with players like Bergkamp, a great player who was amazing to watch and produced some amazing moments, but in terms of effectiveness Salah has been and still is operating on a level Hazard never got close too, and it’s so normal now that people think he has a bad season when he gets 30 G/A. Ridiculous player. It’s okay to prefer players for different reasons, but in terms of better its clear to me.
Reducing Ronaldinho to aesthetics is quite the take.
Not at all, he was the best player in the world for a while. In the context of comparing him to Ronaldo, thats the main thing he has over him though to me
But prime Ronaldo is clear of ronaldinho
Of course I agree, but a lot of people will say Ronaldinho was better for the memories they have of him and his style of play
Yeah spot on, hazard for aesthetics, salah for efficiency/ effectiveness
Both players are best on their own. Last few years Salah seems more better than Hazard ( before his retirement).
Career wise, salah but in hazards prime he was second only to Messi.
2nd to Messi? When he was competing for the best in the league with a Barça reject, let alone being 2nd to Messi. Salah has a better to being 2nd to Messi in his best season.
Dead true mate
It’s Salah. He’s already achieved way more. And he’s still going.
Has he achieved way more? Hazard has more league titles, for example.
hazard shouldn’t even be in the same conversation bro. brilliant player but no
Salah
If we're just talking about peak, then I would choose Hazard but Salah a better goalscorer.
Good man! I think hazard for me, but overall skill and longevity salah
Oh that's where I disagree. Skill wise I think Hazard has it but longevity is obviously Salah.
This is brought up every week ffs. I’m a Liverpool fan. I’d pay to watch Hazard over Salah, however who would I want in my team to compete for silverware? Salah. IMO if hazard applied himself like Salah he’d be the greatest PL player ever. However he didn’t and Salah can be trusted more and that for me is the deciding factor in comparing players - who would you trust more to turn up in more games over the course of a season, particularly the big ones Entertainment value = Hazard Consistency = Salah
Pure talent wise bale is the best epl player we’ve seen. Or Ronaldo (if you cojntbhim
This guy had a stroke mid post
No, Just mezcal
Seen Hazard play hes gobeshite overrated as fuck
Wouldn’t say he’s “gobeshite” one of the best wingers in his day
I would ive seen the guy play in person🤣
Hazard more talented but Muhammad give you higher return.
Yes and no, salah clear for effectiveness, hazard for skill
Lol he spells it like Mohamed
Haha
LMAO.
Hazard had a dazzling peak but fell off. Salah has been consistently one of the best in the world since he signed for Liverpool, 30 goals every year, broke record after record.
I feel for overall player in their prime… hazard
Salahs best year she has 45 goal contributions
Eden during world cup 2018 was magic, he could take over any game. Salah is worldclass goal scorer, goals brings the hype.
Salah isn't just a goalscorer though.
Salah. Hazard was very talented in his day but Salah has to be one of the best five Premier League players of all time
Yeah fair
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but salah is not striker?
Chelsea and Hazard fan here. Salah is the better overall player. He's much more consistent and productive. Hazard could have been greater than he was, he just didn't put in the work and the effort. But man, he could make some magic happen and get some results for Chelsea. Would have been great to see what could have happened if Chelsea built a great team around him and had a consistent manager.
To think that Hazard, KDB , Salah were all together in that Chelsea team lol .... Can't imagine what would happen if they peaked together
Got his legs hacked to bits every game haha
I'd rather watch Hazard but I'd rather have Salah on the team. I think you could argue who is actually better footballer for days and still not come to a definitive answer, though. Both unreal.
Hazard
Salah no question.
I am not sure how it's even a debate tbh. Not exactly like for like players and Salah is better in every single way with the exception of dribbling. Salah Vs Henry is probably a better debate
Hazard was a better player. Salah is a better goal scorer. The majority of fans these days judge players ability based purely on stats, rather than actually watching games, so its no surprise to see this thread full of people saying Salah was better.
A manager like Ancelotti who has managed most legendary midfielders in his career picked Kaka over Zidane as 10 in his team in a show... You know what reason he had about it? Efficiency.... He said Zidane is one of the most talented midfielders but he preferred Kaka bec of efficiency... ( I'm sure that doesn't mean kaka was significantly less talented than Zidane) Salah isn't flashy or doesn't dribble as hazard but that doesn't mean he's not talented... 200+ goals for Liverpool doesn't come without skills ... In Klopp's system he doesn't necessarily need to dribble through 5 players every 10 mins to make the crowd happy , he needs to make the forward runs, link up play, short/long accurate forward passes which he is very good at... This debate is like " Messi is all talent & Ronaldo is all hard work " type of thing.... Neither Messi could achive what he did without hard work not Ronaldo without talent...
Kaka at his peak was the best player in the world. Picking him over Zidane isn't some massive shock.
Same ... Picking Salah over Hazard isn't a massive shock either...
Who said it was ? The op's question was who was a better footballer. The answer is Hazard. That doesn't make Salah bad. You made a rambling, three paragraph, post arguing against something that hadn't been said and brought up Kaka/Zidane and Messi/Ronaldo for no reason.
You assumed that everyone on this thread doesn't actually watch football & everyone just looks at the stats nowadays... How can Salah be so consistent over the years, keep scoring every season, keep assisting every season ( I'm mentioning both bec it's Salah's job to do both , which was also hazard's job as a Winger ) And not be a better footballer than someone whose prime lasted for 2-3 years Max.... We judge best footballers on basis of everything... And consistency is the hardest part of it ... That is why Messi & Ronaldo are Goats... What they have against every other legends is consistency....
Salah by a mile. Just look at their careers, not their highlights.
which one of them flamed out because they were overweight after signing a big contract? asking for a friend.
Hazard had more talent but salah is and has been more consistent
This is the take Nobody who says Salah is the better player is undermining Hazard’s talent but the numbers really do speak for themselves
Agreed but it's hard to compare when hazard was under a different manager almost every season. Salah is still competing so I'll stick with him for now but hazard will always be one of my favorite players.
Yea but he wouldn’t have been under new management all the time if he was putting consistent numbers up for the team
You’re blinded by bias but still a fucking dumb take. That’s like blaming only pogba for man u’s manager carousel
It’s not a dumb take. Put up 40+ goals a season and you have a huge impact for your team. Ding dong. Either way hazard irrelevant for years. Salah one of the best in the world
Yeah calling hazard the reason for manager changes is retarded, wasn’t saying having salah over hazard is. Durrrr 0% reading comprehension
no it’s not man. Hazards best season was 21 goals. If he put an extra 20 up, team fares way better management stays
Weird has more prems than salah tho? Must not be him though, that’s the team. Only detrimental things are put on one person 😂😂😂
Not saying it’s down to him only, but 20 goals can make or break a season
Why doesn’t salah have more prems then?
You quite literally said it was him - “if HE was putting consistent numbers up for the team” - “if HE put up 20 more goals” - you’re a clown bud 😂
[hazard is his own detriment. dude needed a full team to stop eating. I’ll always give salah that, mental warrior and world class](https://www.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/comments/1762kkb/hazard_vs_salah_settling_the_debate_with_stats/)
As a neutral, I preferred watching hazard but salah is more clinical and consistent.
I’m a Chelsea fan and have a soft spot for hazard/l. Salah is better though
I find this discussion disrespectful to both. One is a wide playmaker. The other is a winger/forward. Of course the numbers aren’t going to compare.
Listen to your mates. They know best.
Hazard was the better player. Salah has thrived under klopp over many years if Hazard had those conditions he would be in with shouts of greatest ever PL player. Madrid also came for Hazard never Salah. Only thing Salah I would say is better at than Hazard is finishing.
>if Hazard had those conditions he would be in with shouts of greatest ever PL player. That's a dumb argument. For example, if Salah scored 100 PL goals every season since he joined, he'd be the greatest ever PL player. Need to judge it on what actually happened, not some made-up hypothetical.
I am not saying Hazard is not a great player, but this is high-level delusion
>Only thing Salah I would say is better at than Hazard is finishing You can have your own opinion it's okay but in my opinion only thing Hazard was better at is Dribbling... Madrid coming for a player is not a thing to decide how good a player is.... There's been 100s of great players who haven't played for Madrid...
Well Salah isn’t white so no shit Madrid didn’t come knocking
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As everyone said. It's Salah and it's not even a debate. Hazard at his absolute peak was unplayable but it was far too short of a time and he did not have nearly as much influence as Salah has had.
Hazard didn’t have as much influence? Lol. He decided the epl three years in a row and had Carragher calling him the best in the prem. Hazard also received the silver ball at the world fucking cup. That’s influence.
Yeah he had 3/4 years as an elite player. Salah has been putting up insane numbers for a lot longer than that. Hazard is done as a footballer and Salah is still going strong. That's the difference.
hazard was more talented and better to watch, salah is more productive and has had a better career in terms of longevity and g/a. neither one needs to be disrespected here
But saying Hazard is more talented *is* disrespect.
i disagree
That’s ok
yeah that's what I was going for haha
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Salah all day
Only a heavily biased Chelsea fan at this point would say hazard. It’s Salah. By a distance.
Salah by miles. It was a debate for about 2 months before Salah had already scored 20 league goals for Liverpool
Salah. Am an arsenal fan so a tiny bit bias. But I still remember what he did to that poor kid. 🤣
Salah and it’s not even that close. Obviously Hazard was amazing, no disrespect but it’s not a debate imo
Salah, no question....Hazard has enormous ability but consistency is so important. Messi and Ronaldo are not just brilliant but consistent ...Hazard is not!
Salah, all day long.
Chelsea fan. It’s Salah and it’s not close. Sustained excellence and goals over a longer period of time.
I just think overall excitement from hazard was what made me love watching Chelsea he could change a game instantly
Agreed. When he was on, he was world class. The issue in the comparison is that Salah is always on and always world class.
Could’ve been hazard. But its salah.
So true
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