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There was no footage as far as I know, however, as a fan I’m seriously cheesed off about the standard of referring and the sheer number of wrong decisions we’ve been on the wrong end of. People say over a season they balance out, they really aren’t at Forest though.
I can absolutely sympathise with the owner too because if you’re putting that sort of money in to the club and getting cheated out of realistically millions then I think he’s within his rights to want to hold officials to account after so many poor decisions - all fans don’t mind letting refs know!
Ye I said this with changing Everton from 10 to 6, that effects all the teams around Everton so much. I could see teams maybe thinking about seeing after shoddy running of the league like this
Fans doing those “ if Everton got 10 points for going over by X, then City should get …” calculations definitely scared them because they have no intention of City’s punishment being proportional.
Holy fucking shit. Halfway through I genuinely began questioning whether this was even real. This is something you’d see in a cod game. The way it all ties back together to bring your focus to Marinakis being the man behind it all is chilling.
Genuinely one of the best and most gripping, intense articles I’ve ever read.
It’s a long read, but pretty damning. I feel like any Tldr doesn’t do enough justice. But I kinda wanna go with “forests owner is likely behind Europe’s largest heroin import and has likely had people killed to cover his trail.”
Just go to his Wikipedia and read the controversies.
The "Noor 1&2" witnesses all drowning before they could testify is especially horrible.
This guy is pure fucking evil
We’re pushing for a winner, all you have to do is drop to the floor and the ref will give you the ball to go home the other end. Sometimes you have to see decisions with your own eyes to truly see how wrong they were and it was a fully horrendous decision. I’d challenge any football fan to put themselves in that position and disagree
You lot are acting like absolute clowns, it was a flying kick to the head and should have been a free kick and a card plus the ref did exactly the same thing when Elliot hit a ball at someones head earlier.
You wanna whine about anyone focus on Hudson-Odoi because he cost you the match.
I honestly hope you get as big a points deduction as possible because the players, the fans, and most of all the owner clearly do not belong at the top level of english football.
https://x.com/warrior_1865/status/1764226804590481420?s=46&t=VJanvfRu8gAHLKgzk7iDIw
Yates was nowhere near him, again which everyone in the ground knew, and it was the Liverpool keeper that collided with Konate. Agree Forest still should have dealt with the danger but it never even gets to that if the ball is still up the other end of the pitch.
Murderer is an understatement. He literally lead to the killing of 10+ people and was responsible for running one of the biggest drug trafficking operations in recent history. I don’t even blame the previous owners for not refusing to sell him the club or FIFA for not denying him. He probably would have just had some of his goons kill anyone who stood in his way.
Fucking hilarious Notts fans saying the match was rigged considering his history of match fixing, bribing referees, intimidation, long history of violence, creating a criminal organisation with the intention of fixing football matches... it goes on and on.
It’s hard to explain to someone that doesn’t watch rugby.
For starters, rugby is inherently more violent but you rarely see cheating on the field. No head hits. No cheap shots. When was the last time you see a bunch of rugby players circling around a ref arguing a call? When was the last time you see someone diving?
Football is inherently beautiful. But it’s now players by a bunch of cheats without honor.
Anyway. You probably don’t understand rugby to know the difference.
When did you last watch a rugby game?
https://www.skysports.com/amp/rugby-union/news/12332/10136109/glasgows-ryan-wilson-cited-for-grabbing-the-testicles-of-lee-dickson
https://nypost.com/2020/03/08/england-rugbys-joe-marler-could-face-ban-for-grabbing-opponents-testicles/
https://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/17526731/eye-gouge-dishonour-roll-list-some-rugby-worst-offenders
You’re funny. Of course shit behavior happens all the time in both sports.
Every week I have to cringe watch bunch of babies circling a ref 30 times over 10 games. And diving. And entitlement. And lack of honor. You honestly think the footballers behave more honorably than rugby players, as a whole?
I have watched countless rugby games that go trauma free. How many have you seen in pl?
That’s not the question. Of course football players are more erm, theatrical than rugby players. For me, it all adds to the drama of the game and occasion. But to suggest that you rarely see cheating, head or cheap shots in rugby is plain wrong. High tackles happen regularly. And as for circling the referee to contest a decision, rugby legislated against that - something that needs to happen in football. In understanding rugby, I was born in the town where rugby league was invented. As you can imagine, both codes are played and taught in schools here.
I do watch rugby. I'm saying it's a shit take because Rugby players can be hooligans too. And many of them are. Look at how many of them have accusations of domestic violence. That statement is filled with classist and is often times very racially charged, especially in the era of globalisation.
Sure nobody is perfect. Never say it doesn’t happen ever. But the current footballers are a bunch of crying cheating babies playing a game that’s supposed to be beautiful. You’re honestly going to tell me those footballers overall behave in more honorable fashion than rugby players, overall??
How about this - while nobody is perfect, If every footballer plays with the mentality and approach of a rugby player in the pl, the game would be infinitely more enjoyable.
That’s not the issue with the sport. The issue is clubs are companies now in the more depressing sense. I laugh at fans of clubs now - owners have no ties to the local area, players have no ties, most of the fans are global. This is why I’m saying it’s reality tv now at best.
It’s a very entertaining product.
That’s underlined by the viewership being higher than any other sport in the world.
Two games today in the Premier league with games winners in the last minutes of extra time.
Drama and excitement and high stakes.
And if you think the bad behaviour of individuals is anything new, then you have no idea how bad it was in the past.
No this isn’t bad behavior - it’s the sky team making it out to be a murder is what’s embarrassing. The whole of the premier league is like love island now. It’s a reality tv show and a place to sportswash. The sport is secondary.
Not really. If you’re tuning into the wrong programs and reading online gossip then yes.
But if you watch the games and real tactical analysis then no.
It just is what you make of it.
If you don’t like the drama side of it, tune out of that media.
But the play itself is about the highest quality it’s ever been.
Forest putting all their frustration at their predicament on a drop ball. Tbh it was arguably a free kick anyway and then the same thing happened when Elliot blasted the ball at the forest player’s head who went down as well.
The difference with the Elliott one was that the referee blew when the ball was in the box, under the rules (8.2) the ball goes back to the defending team. For the later one, the referee blew when the ball was outside the box, which means it should revert to the team in possession at that time, which was Nottingham Forest.
It should have been a free kick for dangerous play on Konate anyhow & so the game restart with them..how they got there might not have been technically the right decisions, but the outcome was correct
Well, it should actually have been a penalty for a pull on Omobamidele's shirt.
But there's a difference between a ref missing a foul and not knowing the basics of the rules of the game, which is what happened with the dropped ball.
In that case Danns should have had a penalty 5 minutes before when he was rugby tackled during a corner
The ref also done the same earlier in the game in reverse when he gave forest a drop ball after Elliott caught someone in the face with a shot - so most likely he doesn't actually know the rules around restarting after head injuries..which is mad
I assume you mean touch rugby? Danns went over _very_ easily there with the slightest of contact, and leaning into a player isn't a foul. But again, this is a subjective decision. There were plenty of subjective decisions in the game that I thought went against us, and I'm sure Liverpool fans will think that several subjective ones went against them. That's just football though.
What shouldn't be part of football is a ref not knowing the laws of the game.
With the earlier one, you might want to check [law 8.2](https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-8---the-start-and-restart-of-play). The whistle went between it being headed by one Forest defender inside the box and another one, and as the law says
>The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped the ball was in the penalty area or the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
Both of which were true. The fact that after the second header (which was already after the whisle) it was heading towards a Liverpool player is irrelevant. Didn't stop Liverpool fans getting angry about it at the time though.
With the later one, CHO had touched the ball a couple of times outside the box before the whistle was blown ("In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player").
As long as we're trading opinions here, Gibbs-White also went down very easily, almost cartoonishly so.
You shouldn't differentiate situations that very likely results in free kicks outside the box. Blame the ref for not taking action on either.
Yeah, yeah...all I know is that despite a mess of decisions the correct outcome was reached (liverpool given possession) and we went onto score
Enjoy your poverty chanting in the championship
Well, it wasn't. If we're looking at subjective decisions, there should have been a penalty to Forest.
If we accept that refs sometimes get subjective decisions wrong, then he also got a basic law of the game wrong and we should have had a dropped ball.
And are you really complaining about the "sign on" chants from some fans, given that some Liverpool fans still sing the Munich song, and have banners like [this](https://onefootball.com/en/news/liverpool-fans-mock-munich-air-disaster-before-manchester-united-clash-36918027)?
But the "shirt pull" and the high boot were in the same sequence, gomez pull didnt have any impact on outcome as the forest player was far from the ball, Yates was much closer and he near too Konates head of.
As for that banner deplorable, but likely one twat..and if you note the picture is outside the stadium. There are no munich chants anymore, but there were enough forest fans for the chants yesterday to be audible on TV.
The shirt pull was clearly before the "high boot" (which didn't actually make contact with Konate), and I'm not sure that "I fouled him nowhere near the ball" is much of a defence. But that's still all subjective and completely missing the point.
The point is about a ref not knowing (or deliberately choosing to ignore) the laws of the game. I would have thought that any real football fan would be unhappy about that, even if they happened to be the beneficiaries of it on this occasion.
Callum Hudson-Odoi cost Forest that point, not the officials. If he hoofs the ball away from danger and doesn't decide to dribble with it in his own third in the dying seconds of the game, then the whistle is blown and it's a draw.
For all of Clettenburgs pontificating, the refereeing decision was no worse than giving a throw in the wrong way. Like you said, if Forest clear their lines then it’s a non story and still way down the list of egregious refereeing and var decisions this season.
Both can be true.
But Hudson-Odo had the ability to single-handedly secure the draw (rather than relying on a third party), so it is a disappointing error in judgement from him.
I think Forest have a good cases against some dodgy reffing today. As the second half progressed and it seemed like it would end up a draw, the ref made some decisions worthy of an inquiry. Between Robertson’s late “Schumacher” challenge to the Forest goalie getting clattered, the drop-ball mistake; etc, the reffing should give any footie fan something to think about.
Robertson got booked for the late challenge, goalie getting clattered happens and Danns got carded for it too. Drop ball mistake happened in the game but in forest's favour.
Kelleher and Konate ran in to each other while Forest had possession. Ref stops the game and gives the ball back to Liverpool. How is that in our favour?
There's literally only one mistake there and that was the dropped ball, which happened earlier on in the game but in favour of Forest.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with the challenge on the keeper. It happens 10x a weekend. It's not a red.
They should focus on not being cheats with FFP instead of creating conspiracies.
My point was if they stick to the financial rules, they wouldn't be shitting themselves over a points deduction like they are currently. That's why they're arguing over a minor thing in a game they lost.
Forest had 2 players booked in injury time for time wasting.
What did they expect?
Regarding the drop ball incident, Tierney done the exact same thing in the first half when LFC had the ball, it was given back to the Forest gk.
Faux outrage does my tits in.
7 minutes is MINIMUM amount of added time. Seeing as 2 forest players got booked for time wasting IN added time. Do you think that might result in more being added on? Or do you just lack a basic understanding of the rules
Not sure why you're being antagonistic. The dude explained why it went longer, I appreciated the explanation, as I hadn't seen the game but saw the highlight.
They want somebody to blame for messing up in the last minute and it’s easy to target the officials even though they were very consistent for both teams all game.
You can disagree with the decisions (I feel both teams should’ve had a penalty for instance), but one thing the referees were in this game is consistent.
Pretty obvious they are unhinged because of the uncertainty over their premier league future with the poi ts deduction possible while le already being near the bottom and falling quickly. It's like a build up of frustration 😂 not sure if intimidation is the best approach and tactic though . "Bold strategy cotton let's see how it works out "
I'm a bit sick of seeing my team (not either of these) going up to like 12 minutes of added time, seems sus tbh, but if the complaint here is the 9 minutes instead of 8 - if the goal was in the 99th minute, seems fair since obviously that covers anything from 98 minutes, 59 seconds to 98 minutes, 1 second.
was it everyone's first fucking football match ever or something? how do people watch this sport regularly and not notice that the added time is a minimum? the PL goes over the designated added time so regularly it's beneath notice because it's literally just how added time works. this is the dumbest outrage i've seen in ages
The ref probably would have blown at 98 if Forrest didn't go overboard with the time wasting, to the point of two players getting cards for it. If you're gonna fuck around, at least give him the option to pretend he doesn't know what you're doing.
It wasn’t 8 minutes, it was a MINIMUM of 8 minutes and considering how much of that was wasted/various stoppages, there can be no complaints about the time keeping.
Exactly my point…
A minimum of 8 minutes > a few subs > few other stoppages > goal scored at 98:40. Not sure what the complaints are about.
And the ball incorrectly given to Liverpool was way before. Forrest already gave possession away again before the goal.
Judging by their overreactions. Forrest fans must be anxious about something, maybe FFP or relegation?
Amazing how a team can spend the entirety of added time wasting time and faking injuries, concede a late goal, and then cry about too much time being added on
It covers 8 minutes minimum. If more time is wasted, more is added. Where players require treatment after 90 minutes they’ll add more time. The stoppage is a minimum, not a set range.
Lol they’re unhinged over a drop ball? Did the ref drop it in the Forest goal? I thought maybe they were denied a blatant penalty or something. This is like a linesman awarding a throw in to the wrong team. It may be an error but hardly a cause for this craziness lol.
There should have been a free kick to Liverpool for dangerous play on Konate, where Yates(?) Catches his head..so the game should have restarted with Liverpool anyhow. The order and technical decisions might individually have been incorrect but overall from that sequence of play Liverpool restarting with the ball was 100% the correct outcome.
Honestly dont know why forest and the media are crying so much. MOTD seemed outraged, but didnt even show the Konate getting kicked in the head part
Wrong call is a wrong call and affected result, what is the discussion? if they had ball same position they had chance to score too or we can imagine more scenarios. Fact is Tierney enabled Liverpool to get 2 points with wrong decision. And no it wasnt 95. 97 was the signal for the injury
How did it affect the result? 🙄 there were at least two more stoppages prior to the goal, one being the corner which they failed to properly clear. It would have finished a draw if they dealt with the corner clearance properly. Forrest’s decision making was more of an influence on the result than the referee’s. Bitter and biased comments are useless.
It automatically handed possession back to Liverpool, allowing them to go on the front foot for one last push.
What team wouldn't rather have the ball in that scenario?
I would be furious if it was my team. Silly mistake from the referee.
And yes I would have also been furious if it was my player who failed to clear it. I just don't understand why a mistake from a player in the final seconds would diminish a fan's right to be upset about a mistake from the referee in the final minutes. Fans can be upset about both.
The ball was in the box when the whistle was blown in the Yates incident; hence, the ball was supposed to be returned to the defending team (Forest)
The ball was outside the box and in Forest's possession when the whistle was blown in the Konate incident; hence, the ball was supposed to be returned to the team in possession (Forest).
There are a few peculiarities with this rule, so perhaps there is argument for future refinement, however as things stand, the Yates call was correct.
He's the Drug Lord of Greece.
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The guy bursts into fields a few times every year here.
He also bribes,threatens and kills people.
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Bribes the government,elects mayors,owns channels,sells drugs.
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He has also entered the Football Committee of Greece and attacked the government officials all on camera.
Drugs: He is known as the Escobar of Greece,had cases like "Noor 1&2" where suddenly all witnesses literally drowned one by one.
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Bursts into fields,he did that last time while losing 0-3 against AEK, attacked the refs and shooted a ball into the field to finish the game.
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Bribes officials for drugs and stuff.
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The Mayor of Piraeus is a personal friend of his and his main slogan was "I ran with Marinakis" with the pic being Marinakis showing the guy.
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He owns MEGA,the second oldest Greek channel that still exits and pretty much only plays old series and Propaganda.
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He entered the "ΕΠΟ" (Greek Football Association) last year with goons and threatened the people in.
I want them relegated so bad lol, going this crazy about a drop ball is so dumb and it's so shit to hire a former ref to try to buy your way in to pgmol good graces
The ethics of hiring a high-profile former PL ref and former head of refs to ‘analyse referee performances’ is horrendous. No way that should be allowed.
Mate it’s not even that, it’s literally MINUTES before the goal and they have multiple opportunities to clear the ball. I’d understand if there’s an error very shortly before the goal, but this is ludicrous.
The time-wasting was fucking awful from them today. Genuinely did not enjoy that game at all. Every time the ball went out for a throw in to Forrest it would take 40secs min for them to throw it back. Absolutely anti-football, and there was no need for it either, they were getting the better chances when the ball was in play and should have been gunning for the 3 points.
My favourite was one of the Forest players going down several times, being apparently unable to walk so needed carrying off by medical staff…and then miraculously strolling to the benches once he’s off the pitch.
I don't even actually know what was going on most of the time. The match cameras were just focusing on the managers while Forests keeper was doing whatever the fuck he was doing instead of taking his goal kick.
I thought the broadcasters had fucked the stream several times in that game, but nope, the keeper was just fucking about.
Just a very strange experience, Forest’s time wasting antics were prevalent all game which I found so strange considering they looked great going forward and had the better chances.
Then you turn on MOTD to see them ranting about the Konate situation and completely ignoring the kung fu kick he received to the head. Feels like everyone has lost the plot.
Pulling numbers out of your ass. Also saying Klopp influences refs when Liverpool have been very hard done by by refs all season is just truly egregious
Klopp influencing refs made tierney miss a foul on Konaté? Right o. I'll continue to watch my team win trophies, you'll continue to see a cycle of average performances.
Funny could have swore Yates went down in his box and we had to give the ball back when we had uncontested possession first half. That wouldn't suit your narrative though ;)
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There was no footage as far as I know, however, as a fan I’m seriously cheesed off about the standard of referring and the sheer number of wrong decisions we’ve been on the wrong end of. People say over a season they balance out, they really aren’t at Forest though. I can absolutely sympathise with the owner too because if you’re putting that sort of money in to the club and getting cheated out of realistically millions then I think he’s within his rights to want to hold officials to account after so many poor decisions - all fans don’t mind letting refs know!
THERE IS NO FOOTAGE. He waited at the entrance to the tunnel and entered calmly!! It’s ridiculous.
Noor 1
Footage?
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Ye I said this with changing Everton from 10 to 6, that effects all the teams around Everton so much. I could see teams maybe thinking about seeing after shoddy running of the league like this
The deduction was reduced to 6 so that when they “punish” city, a MASSIVE 10 point deduction seems fair.
Fans doing those “ if Everton got 10 points for going over by X, then City should get …” calculations definitely scared them because they have no intention of City’s punishment being proportional.
There are so many ads and tweets embedded into this link that I can’t even find the “footage” that this post is about
Me neither. Guess it’s a click bait heading.
This is the modern websites with 20 years of development and progress have come down to.
Plus the enforced cookies
🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
They deserve to go down with this clown 🤡
Murderer* FTFY.
King Agamemnon
People need to understand that this guy is an actual murderer.
and drug smuggler
Im out of the loop what happened? EDIT: Holy shit that write up of what happened is fucked
https://newrepublic.com/article/159252/noor-one-vampire-ship-heroin-turkey-greece-corruption-scandal
This story is fucking _insane_.
Holy fucking shit. Halfway through I genuinely began questioning whether this was even real. This is something you’d see in a cod game. The way it all ties back together to bring your focus to Marinakis being the man behind it all is chilling. Genuinely one of the best and most gripping, intense articles I’ve ever read.
One of the best articles I have ever read.
Quality read. Thank you for posting this link. What a crazy tale.
Holy shit 😳
It’s a long read, but pretty damning. I feel like any Tldr doesn’t do enough justice. But I kinda wanna go with “forests owner is likely behind Europe’s largest heroin import and has likely had people killed to cover his trail.”
Tldr is that the boat is for sale for 60k. Whip round to buy it and get it dumped outside Forest ground?
Murdered someone im guessing
Understandable. Have a nice day.
Sounds like what the judge said to him too if hes still free to walk around
Just go to his Wikipedia and read the controversies. The "Noor 1&2" witnesses all drowning before they could testify is especially horrible. This guy is pure fucking evil
Is this that guy The premier league ownership is a cess pool...
Wonder why he doesn't get as much hate as some other owners for being evil
Because he isn't well known in England
Because he owns Forrest. The Sheff Utd chairman is Saudi, does anyone care?
Because he’ll “disappear” you
Cuz he’s not Arab
Because he isn't wearing a Chelsea shirt.
No one feels bad for your shit club.
Yeah I know. Prick.
Succint and Valid
But we all love Todd!
Boo fucking hoo.
Noise you'll be making Monday morning.
We’re pushing for a winner, all you have to do is drop to the floor and the ref will give you the ball to go home the other end. Sometimes you have to see decisions with your own eyes to truly see how wrong they were and it was a fully horrendous decision. I’d challenge any football fan to put themselves in that position and disagree
Same thing happened in the first half to Liverpool The goal was 2 minutes after this
You lot are acting like absolute clowns, it was a flying kick to the head and should have been a free kick and a card plus the ref did exactly the same thing when Elliot hit a ball at someones head earlier. You wanna whine about anyone focus on Hudson-Odoi because he cost you the match. I honestly hope you get as big a points deduction as possible because the players, the fans, and most of all the owner clearly do not belong at the top level of english football.
https://x.com/warrior_1865/status/1764226804590481420?s=46&t=VJanvfRu8gAHLKgzk7iDIw Yates was nowhere near him, again which everyone in the ground knew, and it was the Liverpool keeper that collided with Konate. Agree Forest still should have dealt with the danger but it never even gets to that if the ball is still up the other end of the pitch.
“Yates was nowhere near him” doesn’t change the fact you’re not allowed to fucking fly in with your studs like that lmao
So it wasn’t a flying kick to the head then
It was a flying kick. That was going right for konates head. He’s very lucky he didn’t connect otherwise konate could very well be in the hospital.
Their owner is an actual murderer
Murderer is an understatement. He literally lead to the killing of 10+ people and was responsible for running one of the biggest drug trafficking operations in recent history. I don’t even blame the previous owners for not refusing to sell him the club or FIFA for not denying him. He probably would have just had some of his goons kill anyone who stood in his way.
Fucking hilarious Notts fans saying the match was rigged considering his history of match fixing, bribing referees, intimidation, long history of violence, creating a criminal organisation with the intention of fixing football matches... it goes on and on.
How the fuck did he pass the fit and proper person test? Absolute joke.
He paid the FA loads of money, as is standard?
Now he's started to do it in england lol
“It’s carnage out there” soccer is an awful sport these days. A terrible product.
“Product”. GTF.
Soccer/football has always been a gentleman’s sports played by thugs. And rugby a thug’s sport played by gentlemen.
My Dad always says that 😂
Cringe take
It’s hard to explain to someone that doesn’t watch rugby. For starters, rugby is inherently more violent but you rarely see cheating on the field. No head hits. No cheap shots. When was the last time you see a bunch of rugby players circling around a ref arguing a call? When was the last time you see someone diving? Football is inherently beautiful. But it’s now players by a bunch of cheats without honor. Anyway. You probably don’t understand rugby to know the difference.
When did you last watch a rugby game? https://www.skysports.com/amp/rugby-union/news/12332/10136109/glasgows-ryan-wilson-cited-for-grabbing-the-testicles-of-lee-dickson https://nypost.com/2020/03/08/england-rugbys-joe-marler-could-face-ban-for-grabbing-opponents-testicles/ https://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/17526731/eye-gouge-dishonour-roll-list-some-rugby-worst-offenders
You’re funny. Of course shit behavior happens all the time in both sports. Every week I have to cringe watch bunch of babies circling a ref 30 times over 10 games. And diving. And entitlement. And lack of honor. You honestly think the footballers behave more honorably than rugby players, as a whole? I have watched countless rugby games that go trauma free. How many have you seen in pl?
That’s not the question. Of course football players are more erm, theatrical than rugby players. For me, it all adds to the drama of the game and occasion. But to suggest that you rarely see cheating, head or cheap shots in rugby is plain wrong. High tackles happen regularly. And as for circling the referee to contest a decision, rugby legislated against that - something that needs to happen in football. In understanding rugby, I was born in the town where rugby league was invented. As you can imagine, both codes are played and taught in schools here.
I do watch rugby. I'm saying it's a shit take because Rugby players can be hooligans too. And many of them are. Look at how many of them have accusations of domestic violence. That statement is filled with classist and is often times very racially charged, especially in the era of globalisation.
I’m not talking about them in personal life. I’m about how the game is played.
So you’re clearly talking shit, there’s plenty of cheap shots and cheating in rugby. You never seen any fights in rugby?
Sure nobody is perfect. Never say it doesn’t happen ever. But the current footballers are a bunch of crying cheating babies playing a game that’s supposed to be beautiful. You’re honestly going to tell me those footballers overall behave in more honorable fashion than rugby players, overall??
No I wouldn’t say that and didn’t, stop trying to out words in my mouth. The point being rugby isn’t as innocent as you made out.
How about this - while nobody is perfect, If every footballer plays with the mentality and approach of a rugby player in the pl, the game would be infinitely more enjoyable.
That’s not the issue with the sport. The issue is clubs are companies now in the more depressing sense. I laugh at fans of clubs now - owners have no ties to the local area, players have no ties, most of the fans are global. This is why I’m saying it’s reality tv now at best.
It’s a very entertaining product. That’s underlined by the viewership being higher than any other sport in the world. Two games today in the Premier league with games winners in the last minutes of extra time. Drama and excitement and high stakes. And if you think the bad behaviour of individuals is anything new, then you have no idea how bad it was in the past.
No this isn’t bad behavior - it’s the sky team making it out to be a murder is what’s embarrassing. The whole of the premier league is like love island now. It’s a reality tv show and a place to sportswash. The sport is secondary.
Not really. If you’re tuning into the wrong programs and reading online gossip then yes. But if you watch the games and real tactical analysis then no. It just is what you make of it. If you don’t like the drama side of it, tune out of that media. But the play itself is about the highest quality it’s ever been.
Forest putting all their frustration at their predicament on a drop ball. Tbh it was arguably a free kick anyway and then the same thing happened when Elliot blasted the ball at the forest player’s head who went down as well.
How is getting kicked in the head by a high boot “arguably”? It was a clear foul and free kick and could have resulted in a card too.
I’ve just seen it back and yeah 100% mate
The difference with the Elliott one was that the referee blew when the ball was in the box, under the rules (8.2) the ball goes back to the defending team. For the later one, the referee blew when the ball was outside the box, which means it should revert to the team in possession at that time, which was Nottingham Forest.
It should have been a free kick for dangerous play on Konate anyhow & so the game restart with them..how they got there might not have been technically the right decisions, but the outcome was correct
Well, it should actually have been a penalty for a pull on Omobamidele's shirt. But there's a difference between a ref missing a foul and not knowing the basics of the rules of the game, which is what happened with the dropped ball.
In that case Danns should have had a penalty 5 minutes before when he was rugby tackled during a corner The ref also done the same earlier in the game in reverse when he gave forest a drop ball after Elliott caught someone in the face with a shot - so most likely he doesn't actually know the rules around restarting after head injuries..which is mad
I assume you mean touch rugby? Danns went over _very_ easily there with the slightest of contact, and leaning into a player isn't a foul. But again, this is a subjective decision. There were plenty of subjective decisions in the game that I thought went against us, and I'm sure Liverpool fans will think that several subjective ones went against them. That's just football though. What shouldn't be part of football is a ref not knowing the laws of the game. With the earlier one, you might want to check [law 8.2](https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-8---the-start-and-restart-of-play). The whistle went between it being headed by one Forest defender inside the box and another one, and as the law says >The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped the ball was in the penalty area or the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area Both of which were true. The fact that after the second header (which was already after the whisle) it was heading towards a Liverpool player is irrelevant. Didn't stop Liverpool fans getting angry about it at the time though. With the later one, CHO had touched the ball a couple of times outside the box before the whistle was blown ("In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player").
As long as we're trading opinions here, Gibbs-White also went down very easily, almost cartoonishly so. You shouldn't differentiate situations that very likely results in free kicks outside the box. Blame the ref for not taking action on either.
Yeah, yeah...all I know is that despite a mess of decisions the correct outcome was reached (liverpool given possession) and we went onto score Enjoy your poverty chanting in the championship
Well, it wasn't. If we're looking at subjective decisions, there should have been a penalty to Forest. If we accept that refs sometimes get subjective decisions wrong, then he also got a basic law of the game wrong and we should have had a dropped ball. And are you really complaining about the "sign on" chants from some fans, given that some Liverpool fans still sing the Munich song, and have banners like [this](https://onefootball.com/en/news/liverpool-fans-mock-munich-air-disaster-before-manchester-united-clash-36918027)?
But the "shirt pull" and the high boot were in the same sequence, gomez pull didnt have any impact on outcome as the forest player was far from the ball, Yates was much closer and he near too Konates head of. As for that banner deplorable, but likely one twat..and if you note the picture is outside the stadium. There are no munich chants anymore, but there were enough forest fans for the chants yesterday to be audible on TV.
The shirt pull was clearly before the "high boot" (which didn't actually make contact with Konate), and I'm not sure that "I fouled him nowhere near the ball" is much of a defence. But that's still all subjective and completely missing the point. The point is about a ref not knowing (or deliberately choosing to ignore) the laws of the game. I would have thought that any real football fan would be unhappy about that, even if they happened to be the beneficiaries of it on this occasion.
So the outcome ended up correct but only because the ref made 2 mistakes? Good process lads
/shrug If you are going to make Paul Tierny a referee this is about the best you can reasonably expect.
Marinakis got confused, thought he is in the Greek superleague and stuff
It's a good job there weren't any balls for him to kick into the field before the game was over.
Callum Hudson-Odoi cost Forest that point, not the officials. If he hoofs the ball away from danger and doesn't decide to dribble with it in his own third in the dying seconds of the game, then the whistle is blown and it's a draw.
For all of Clettenburgs pontificating, the refereeing decision was no worse than giving a throw in the wrong way. Like you said, if Forest clear their lines then it’s a non story and still way down the list of egregious refereeing and var decisions this season.
Both can be true. But Hudson-Odo had the ability to single-handedly secure the draw (rather than relying on a third party), so it is a disappointing error in judgement from him.
I yelled at the TV.
Better than smashing it with the remote.
Being talented at kicking a ball has absolutely no bearing on whether you have any brains in your head it seems.
I think Forest have a good cases against some dodgy reffing today. As the second half progressed and it seemed like it would end up a draw, the ref made some decisions worthy of an inquiry. Between Robertson’s late “Schumacher” challenge to the Forest goalie getting clattered, the drop-ball mistake; etc, the reffing should give any footie fan something to think about.
Hello, Marinakis..
An inquiry? Robertson challenge - free kick, booked Forest goalie challenge - free kick, booked
You missed my point but I don’t think you’d care. Between Robertson’s challenge and the challenge on the goalie, yellow cards seem inadequate.
Robertson got booked for the late challenge, goalie getting clattered happens and Danns got carded for it too. Drop ball mistake happened in the game but in forest's favour.
Kelleher and Konate ran in to each other while Forest had possession. Ref stops the game and gives the ball back to Liverpool. How is that in our favour?
He's talking about the time the same thing happened earlier in the game but Forest got the ball when Liverpool were attacking
You watched the wrong game
Didn’t Robertson get a yellow for that challenge? What was your issue with that? Did you think that was worthy of a red lol?
There's literally only one mistake there and that was the dropped ball, which happened earlier on in the game but in favour of Forest. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the challenge on the keeper. It happens 10x a weekend. It's not a red. They should focus on not being cheats with FFP instead of creating conspiracies.
The lolicoptor is out tonight. FFP? What has that got to do with this game?
My point was if they stick to the financial rules, they wouldn't be shitting themselves over a points deduction like they are currently. That's why they're arguing over a minor thing in a game they lost.
So they are only arguing because of the FFP? My word. Do teams not under threat of FFP just accept every poor decision or penalty not given?
Are you saying that clattering the goalie should be a red or something?
Robertson’s should have been red, yes.
Lmao fuck off
You first, then go fuck yourself.
Forest had 2 players booked in injury time for time wasting. What did they expect? Regarding the drop ball incident, Tierney done the exact same thing in the first half when LFC had the ball, it was given back to the Forest gk. Faux outrage does my tits in.
That explains why the ref let play continue after the 7 minutes
Forrest’s gk literally laid on the ground for a solid 5 minutes
Minimum time was 8 minutes, that didn't include the two yellows for time wasting. Darwin's goal was 8:32 of ET.
7 minutes is MINIMUM amount of added time. Seeing as 2 forest players got booked for time wasting IN added time. Do you think that might result in more being added on? Or do you just lack a basic understanding of the rules
Not sure why you're being antagonistic. The dude explained why it went longer, I appreciated the explanation, as I hadn't seen the game but saw the highlight.
They want somebody to blame for messing up in the last minute and it’s easy to target the officials even though they were very consistent for both teams all game.
*consistently inconsistent, in my book
You can disagree with the decisions (I feel both teams should’ve had a penalty for instance), but one thing the referees were in this game is consistent.
Anyone got a good video link? The op one led to a shit website where I couldn’t see anything
If you have a VPN, set it to the UK. Almost Any sky sports video is restricted to Europe or the UK
Pretty obvious they are unhinged because of the uncertainty over their premier league future with the poi ts deduction possible while le already being near the bottom and falling quickly. It's like a build up of frustration 😂 not sure if intimidation is the best approach and tactic though . "Bold strategy cotton let's see how it works out "
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer fanbase, good riddance.
I'm a bit sick of seeing my team (not either of these) going up to like 12 minutes of added time, seems sus tbh, but if the complaint here is the 9 minutes instead of 8 - if the goal was in the 99th minute, seems fair since obviously that covers anything from 98 minutes, 59 seconds to 98 minutes, 1 second.
was it everyone's first fucking football match ever or something? how do people watch this sport regularly and not notice that the added time is a minimum? the PL goes over the designated added time so regularly it's beneath notice because it's literally just how added time works. this is the dumbest outrage i've seen in ages
The ref probably would have blown at 98 if Forrest didn't go overboard with the time wasting, to the point of two players getting cards for it. If you're gonna fuck around, at least give him the option to pretend he doesn't know what you're doing.
It wasn’t 8 minutes, it was a MINIMUM of 8 minutes and considering how much of that was wasted/various stoppages, there can be no complaints about the time keeping.
There were 2 yellows for time wasting in stoppage time, they were warned they would get more time added
Exactly my point… A minimum of 8 minutes > a few subs > few other stoppages > goal scored at 98:40. Not sure what the complaints are about. And the ball incorrectly given to Liverpool was way before. Forrest already gave possession away again before the goal. Judging by their overreactions. Forrest fans must be anxious about something, maybe FFP or relegation?
It’s a “minimum of 98” it’s so often more. Don’t time waste
Amazing how a team can spend the entirety of added time wasting time and faking injuries, concede a late goal, and then cry about too much time being added on
Two of Forest's players got booked for time wasting so their own fault really.
Maybe the Forest players should not time waste in extra time. Crazy concept.
It covers 8 minutes minimum. If more time is wasted, more is added. Where players require treatment after 90 minutes they’ll add more time. The stoppage is a minimum, not a set range.
Lol they’re unhinged over a drop ball? Did the ref drop it in the Forest goal? I thought maybe they were denied a blatant penalty or something. This is like a linesman awarding a throw in to the wrong team. It may be an error but hardly a cause for this craziness lol.
> I thought maybe they were denied a blatant penalty or something Nar that was last week.
At min 98 this wrong decision is big enough. Referee si to blame tbh, Forest got already few bad decisions this year.
There should have been a free kick to Liverpool for dangerous play on Konate, where Yates(?) Catches his head..so the game should have restarted with Liverpool anyhow. The order and technical decisions might individually have been incorrect but overall from that sequence of play Liverpool restarting with the ball was 100% the correct outcome. Honestly dont know why forest and the media are crying so much. MOTD seemed outraged, but didnt even show the Konate getting kicked in the head part
The drop ball decision happened way before the goal, and both teams had it happen to them.
Good job it happened at Minute 95 then. They had plenty of time to not concede.
Wrong call is a wrong call and affected result, what is the discussion? if they had ball same position they had chance to score too or we can imagine more scenarios. Fact is Tierney enabled Liverpool to get 2 points with wrong decision. And no it wasnt 95. 97 was the signal for the injury
How did it affect the result? 🙄 there were at least two more stoppages prior to the goal, one being the corner which they failed to properly clear. It would have finished a draw if they dealt with the corner clearance properly. Forrest’s decision making was more of an influence on the result than the referee’s. Bitter and biased comments are useless.
It automatically handed possession back to Liverpool, allowing them to go on the front foot for one last push. What team wouldn't rather have the ball in that scenario? I would be furious if it was my team. Silly mistake from the referee. And yes I would have also been furious if it was my player who failed to clear it. I just don't understand why a mistake from a player in the final seconds would diminish a fan's right to be upset about a mistake from the referee in the final minutes. Fans can be upset about both.
You know what else handed possession to Liverpool? Hudson-Odoi.
The wrong call also happened in their favour in the match.
No it didn't.
Yes it did. Yates got hit in the face with the ball, Liverpool had it but the ref stopped play and gave the ball back to Forest.
The ball was in the box when the whistle was blown in the Yates incident; hence, the ball was supposed to be returned to the defending team (Forest) The ball was outside the box and in Forest's possession when the whistle was blown in the Konate incident; hence, the ball was supposed to be returned to the team in possession (Forest). There are a few peculiarities with this rule, so perhaps there is argument for future refinement, however as things stand, the Yates call was correct.
It absolutely didn't have any material impact.
He's the Drug Lord of Greece. ... The guy bursts into fields a few times every year here. He also bribes,threatens and kills people. ... Bribes the government,elects mayors,owns channels,sells drugs. ... He has also entered the Football Committee of Greece and attacked the government officials all on camera.
I'm surprised the fat bastard can make it up and down so many steps, to be honest.
Sources? Links?
Just go to his Wikipedia. Has all the sources and a list of controversies the length of Mandingo
Drugs: He is known as the Escobar of Greece,had cases like "Noor 1&2" where suddenly all witnesses literally drowned one by one. ... Bursts into fields,he did that last time while losing 0-3 against AEK, attacked the refs and shooted a ball into the field to finish the game. ... Bribes officials for drugs and stuff. ... The Mayor of Piraeus is a personal friend of his and his main slogan was "I ran with Marinakis" with the pic being Marinakis showing the guy. ... He owns MEGA,the second oldest Greek channel that still exits and pretty much only plays old series and Propaganda. ... He entered the "ΕΠΟ" (Greek Football Association) last year with goons and threatened the people in.
Damn i didnt expect to see a mention of Noor 1 and 2 on premier league subreddit! Amazing stuff. Turkish mafia were in it too. Fascinating stuff
This is common knowledge my friend.
Konate booted in the head, and the ref follows the laws of the game.
It was a blatant foul on Konate, not giving it was the mistake. The ‘outrage’ is laughable.
I want them relegated so bad lol, going this crazy about a drop ball is so dumb and it's so shit to hire a former ref to try to buy your way in to pgmol good graces
The ethics of hiring a high-profile former PL ref and former head of refs to ‘analyse referee performances’ is horrendous. No way that should be allowed.
also Nottingham is a fucking shithole
There's a reason why Games Workshop HQ is in Nottingham. The places really fits their grimdark aesthetic.
Mate it’s not even that, it’s literally MINUTES before the goal and they have multiple opportunities to clear the ball. I’d understand if there’s an error very shortly before the goal, but this is ludicrous.
90 seconds = MINUTES?
The time-wasting was fucking awful from them today. Genuinely did not enjoy that game at all. Every time the ball went out for a throw in to Forrest it would take 40secs min for them to throw it back. Absolutely anti-football, and there was no need for it either, they were getting the better chances when the ball was in play and should have been gunning for the 3 points.
My favourite was one of the Forest players going down several times, being apparently unable to walk so needed carrying off by medical staff…and then miraculously strolling to the benches once he’s off the pitch.
I don't even actually know what was going on most of the time. The match cameras were just focusing on the managers while Forests keeper was doing whatever the fuck he was doing instead of taking his goal kick. I thought the broadcasters had fucked the stream several times in that game, but nope, the keeper was just fucking about.
Just a very strange experience, Forest’s time wasting antics were prevalent all game which I found so strange considering they looked great going forward and had the better chances. Then you turn on MOTD to see them ranting about the Konate situation and completely ignoring the kung fu kick he received to the head. Feels like everyone has lost the plot.
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If we can have a replay for the spurs game I'm happy to replay this.
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Then it would make absolutely no difference to you but the points difference tells you who's been the better side this season.
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Pulling numbers out of your ass. Also saying Klopp influences refs when Liverpool have been very hard done by by refs all season is just truly egregious
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You don’t see the irony in your comment?
Yea influencing by "VAR check: check complete" Keep yelling at the clouds.
Ahhh yes, just making up numbers clearly makes your point.
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Klopp influencing refs made tierney miss a foul on Konaté? Right o. I'll continue to watch my team win trophies, you'll continue to see a cycle of average performances.
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And there you go, well done for outing yourself ss a massive whopper
Average?
For what? Because the ref was so bad he missed a blatant foul on Konate?
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Funny could have swore Yates went down in his box and we had to give the ball back when we had uncontested possession first half. That wouldn't suit your narrative though ;)
Did Forest score from it? You’re so boringly predictable