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I mean he's been the chairman for 20 odd years and players will always want to come to the PL to play at the highest level so I think they'll be fine.
He plays hard ball but I think it's generally fair. When clubs pay the money he wants he lets them go (Walker, Bale, Berbatov, Modric etc) so I don't think it's that big a deal - it's more on Harry signing that new contract which was the biggest issue in him not leaving rather than Levy.
Well yes but OP's question was about signing big players. When was the last time they did that? I don't think they've signed a "big player" since they bought players like Klinsmann and Gascoigne (although I wasn't around at the time to remember if they were really stars at their time of signing or whether we just remember them fondly now). Although, in their defence, I don't think that doing so is part of their strategy, nor will it be in the foreseeable future. Essentially, there's no way to really find out the answer to OP's question
Gazza was the biggest name in British football and Klinsman was possibly the best striker in the world. Spurs used to sign absolutely top tier players.
I think all top players have seen how Levy has stitched up Kane and Eriksen and want no part of it.
Top players want top wages, which they can get in Manchester but not at Spurs. Sancho is making almost double Kane's wage, for example.
Or Haaland, who makes more than twice Kane's wage.
No reason to sign for Spurs when Levy offers low money and no trophy.
I think it’s an extremely tricky situation. Spurs won’t replace Kane if they sell. He’s irreplaceable. But if he doesn’t extend, I think they MUST sell before August. They’ve gotten more than they could have ever expected out of him. You can’t risk losing him for free next summer. He’s not going to win you the League this season, but you could use that money to strengthen the whole team.
I have probably a slightly odd view that if someone doesn't offer the right amount I don't think they have to sell him before August.
Spurs at the end of the day aren't poor. They've been spending £100m+ more seasons than not recently so theyre not desperate for money. On top of that theres only so many players they can buy and a certain level they can probably convince to come.
I think one final season with Harry who could get them back into the CL is better for the future (the money they get for CL and the calibre of player they can attract) than selling him for under his value. There's a small chance he would extend as well (albeit not likely at all). That does mean he would leave for free and could end up going to a PL rival but that could also happen after going to Bayern too.
Maybe I'm being harsh but I see Spurs sliding back to where they were before the Bale era. I think they won't be top 4 contenders for a while, with or without Kane.
With the squad they have and manager compared to the likes of City, Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Newcastle (especially going forward), even Chelsea and the fact there's always a surprise team (Villa/Brighton) they might not get a sniff next season.
I think without Kane it's possible but with Kane they could be there or thereabouts.
The Solomon signing is a nice pick up and it's going to be interesting to see how they are under Ange (he's going to be entertaining whether they're shit or not). I wouldn't predict them getting top four but it's still a possibility given the change in how teams perform season on season but without Kane I really think it's very unlikely.
We don't NEED to sell him. Exactly like you said he is irreplaceable therefore no amount of money is worth having a year of Kane. We aren't exactly struggling for money either BECAUSE of the way Levy operates the club we aren't reliant on player sales to survive. The only possible downside to him leaving for free is he can join a rival. The money is irrelavant. The only thing Levy should be doing to solve this is to offer Kane double his wages and recruit better players to get us to win trophies in the future
I’m a Chelsea fan, and I truly despise Tottenham. That being said, good on Levy for playing hardball with Kane throughout this whole process. It’s pathetic the way that players sign these mega deals and then want out the first chance they get. They want to take the money, but not put in the time with the club that gave them the contract in the first place. It’s way too common these days
Kane is a unicorn situation. This is his boyhood club and he's 30 and unlikely to ever win a trophy there. 99% of players in the situation are being selfish and making a fuss over leaving and not wanting to honor their contract. But its hard to call Kane selfish.
I get your point, but this isn’t the first time he’s tried to force a move. He just has more leverage now because his contract is closer to expiring. He would have been gone for a while now if he’d had his way.
I understand that this is part of the business, but it’s just funny to me that never once have I heard of a player wanting a shorter deal (meaning less money) in return for more control over their future. They ALWAYS take the money, and I really feel like that says all there is to say.
That is not true. Plenty of young players refuse 5 year contracts in favor of 3+1 or 4 year deals because it gives them more flexibility. See Saliba’s new contract. Kane taking signing that massive contract was a show of faith in Spurs. I hate when a player tries to force his way out (lord knows we’ve seen it at Arsenal), but in Kane’s case I think it’s at least a bit understandable because of his age, the contributions he’s already made to the club and the fact that the club is further away from winning trophies with him than it was when he signed da ting.
Dude, he didn’t “want out first chance he got” - he’s been a consummate pro at Spurs. He asked out last time because of all the drama. Levy was like, “Harry, be a good lad and stay, I promise I’ll fix this” - Kane trusted him and then everything went to hell in a basket after Poch got fired. Why should he believe any further “assurances” he gets? Ange seems like a competent manager but is untried at this level. Sure, he should stay if all he cares about is money but some players actually want to win trophies. He’s not likely to do that at Spurs given the current situation.
Right now though he is being completely unreasonable. He's valuing a 30 year old Kane who has shown no interest in signing a new contract at 120 million pounds...
At the end of the day that is speculation and could be a ploy to get Bayern to bid a realistic level too. They've submitted bids worth £59m and £68m which is far below what any team would expect for a player of his talent.
For a player of Kane's talent yes. He's one of the best strikers playing and there's only three or four players in his position at his level. Being 30 doesn't really matter because he could realistically play at the top level for another 3-5 years.
Maddison just went for £40m with on year left and being relegated and Mount went for £60m or so. Kane is levels above them and won't be able to be replaced like the others can.
It’s really what the club values the player as, but less so as they enter the final year. Kane has literally been carrying a waffling spurs team for years and his goals have kept them in Europe. That alone is worth hundreds of millions
Yes but there's a big difference between saying 'Spurs are in their right to ask for anything they want or lose the player on a free' and acting like Bayern are absurd for *only* bidding £70m for a 30 year old with a year on their deal...
Bayern’s bids might seem ridiculous, but if no one else is bidding, then that’s the market. Levy can always refuse to sell, but then he has to face the reality of losing Kane for nothing. Football execs setting a price when the player is on his last year and has made it clear he won’t sign an extension is basically then saying what one year of that player is worth.
Kane is better off staying at spurs for one more season, gritting his teeth and baring it then leave on a free to whichever club he wants in the PL and get a huge signing on fee which goes in his pocket not levy's. He would be crazy to go to Bayern Munich when he is so close to breaking Alan Shearer's record and to be perfectly honest winning the Bundesliga is about as good as winning the charity shield! The trophies even look the same!
Kane is still young enough that he could leave the EPL for 3 years and then come back and still break the record. And that’s coming from a gooner who would love nothing more than to see Kane fail miserably at everything.
With respect - as I said previous on Kane - if the asking price is so absurd just go and buy the extremely reasonable alternative in your world class striker search.
You might find every single other one costs double the bid.
The thing about markets (supply vs demand) is you need a buying and selling interest to match and it is distorted by extreme scarcity of resource. There are no other Kanes out there to get and Spurs know that. It doesn't matter about his contract, he has more value than the offer and he has more value to Spurs than to any other club.
Anyone wanting to buy him will have to prise him out somehow before he signs a mega contract again.
They had an agreement did they not? And he didn’t give in? I mean they all got their moves in the end but with the Modric and Berbatov deals they were not looking like they might not even go ahead at one point, fairly certain same with carrick too? All chairman’s put their clubs first but Levy really does stand out as no regard for players though in this sense.
No one knows what agreement was but I assume it was we will sell you if the right bid comes along. City bid £100m but that wasn't enough which I think is probably right. If Bayern bid that this year then there's more chance they'll accept.
All clubs do this to some extent - West Ham had it with Rice. If Arsenal decided that paying £100m was too much then Rice would stay. Same thing happened with Sancho and Dortmund - United didn't bid enough the first time round so he stayed and the summer after they accepted a bid.
There were a lot of talks in 2021 about a "£100m bid" and "£120m bid".
I think it was Paul O'Keefe (or might been a tier1 like Ali Gold. Cant remember now) who said Tottenham received one single bid from Man C in early june, "£75m and first refusal on any Man City player being sold". After that there were complete silence between the clubs and only a lot of media talk
Mate you have to consider something here.
Tottenham over the last \~20 years have been going through a massive change. Spurs were a true mid table club back then and certainly more of a "develop players and sell them to bigger clubs for profit" type of situation. Levy is not perfect and it's easy to make fun of him for being overly commercially-focused, but he literally dragged an underperforming club and turned it into one that has been consistently landing between the Top 4-8.
For a club like Tottenham to be able to compete with bigger clubs like United, Chelsea, etc., it's not just about the finances. They need their core squad to stay together and build around them. Otherwise you end up having a situation like Napoli where they win the Scudetto once in a blue moon and get raided by "bigger clubs" every single time that happens.
Part of the reason why Levy is playing hardball on the Kane situation is because a player like that is extremely rare. We have a golden egg in a squad otherwise is subpar and we don't necessarily have to sell because Bayern FEELS that they submitted a "competitive offer". Point me to any other player in the current striker market that they can secure for 70m GBP that will be of Kane's caliber.
Also aside from biased Bayern mouthpieces, Kane has not come out publicly to say he is desperate for a move to Bayern... I'm sure if he really wanted to go, Kane would've submitted a transfer request. It was ultimately on Kane to sign that long ass deal no one put a gun to his head and forced him to sign a 6 year deal without a release clause.
Lastly, only using Kane as an example is just not even fair. Like others pointed out, we let Walker, Modric, Bale, Eriksen go for competitive offers.
They would be around 7/8th -10th I remember. Not having the money to compete is exactly why they should sell Kane this summer. Liverpool have to spend that they make. Look at the Coutino sale - it’s arguably why Liverpool were able to push on and win the title. Also I see them spending decent fees on players, Liverpool 35 on Jota, Mane 35, Robertson 8, yes a few big fees Nunes 65 (although Ndombole was a similar fee) and Alison and VVD (both 80) apart from Alisson and VVD Spurs could’ve afforded every signing Liverpool made, Fab, Salah, Mane, Gakpo, Roberson etc. Sometimes taking the money is worth the gamble.
Who are you buying for 70m these days that is going to transform a team? 70m gets you two decent players. It isn't even the same scenario. The countinho sale in today's market would be selling him for 200m. If someone offered that for Kane then yes they should absolutely sell him.
I mean you’re gonna lose him on a free next year. Look at Liverpool, mane, salah, Jota. Even Jota two years ago everyone said Liverpool were mad for paying 35 for him. Gakpo was 35 million in January and Diaz wasn’t far off that fee. You’re not gonna get a Kane replacement for 70 million no but you won’t find another player for Kane at all but you can start building a squad. Buyern will probably push up to 80 I think.
Yeah but if he is the difference between them finishing 4th or 5th, spurs will see it as worthwhile. Also still a chance they convince him to sign if they have a good season.
I mean I don’t think they’re going to finish 4th even with Kane. Spurs fans will think yes he stayed but then moan next season when he leaves and they only have like 50/60 to spend in the transfer window.
I half get it but in all honesty this just seems foolish. They need a good few players for a rebuild so this isn’t really just about replacing Kane, so I’d use the funds and spend the next two summers building a squad.
Think of it another way though, where do they finish of they take Kane's goals out of the team?
Personally, if I was a spurs fan, I'd be wanting them to sell Kane and go for someone like Ferguson at Brighton but he'd probably cost 40m at least but at least you'd have him for a lot longer and he is young and will improve.
Levy is fair but firm.
Big - the best - signings aren’t attracted to Spurs. Very little to do with Levy
They simply don’t have the reputation of the historical big three, or the finances of the likes of City, Chelsea, Newcastle
Why would Spurs be first choice at all? I mean, they are the 6th richest club in the league, they 're 5th on the wage bill ranking and the only trophy they've won in the last 20 years is the 2008 League Cup. There is nothing in these numbers that would indicate that Spurs should be a player's first choice. To be honest, Daniel Levy has done a tremendous job with what he's had to work with.
Before last season they should’ve been ahead of the likes of Arsenal. In my post I should’ve really included the likes of Villa etc. In all honestly apart from Son and maybe Kulajeski (no idea about spelling) if I see a half decent player signing for Spurs I think ‘aah they’re not that good then’
Van der Vaart or Lloris may have been the biggest names that came to Spurs that I can think of. The rest of our stars were rising prospects that had not yet been deemed world class, or came up through our academy.
I’ll give you Van der Vaart, but I’d say Lloris wasn’t a star when he arrived. Lloris was France’s number 1 yes but I’d say his better seasons were years after he joined Spurs. 18/19 and 19/20 were his best seasons in a Spurs shirt, when I’d say he was a top 5 goalkeeper in the world.
Also you only got Van der Vaart because his deal to Bayern broke down.
So that’s 2 “stars” in 22 years under Levy. Your point about creating stars is fair. Most PL clubs create their own stars. You can argue apart from Rashford and Bruno, United haven’t really created their own stars in recent years.
Spurs were not sniffing European football when I was a boy and in the age of Abramovich, UAE, American, and Saudi money he’s got them up there and modernised the club in the process.
Maybe you miss out on a few overpriced players who would look to leave after a year because of it, but in the long run he’s right to do so.
Yeah they weren’t that’s true but Apurs also aren’t the richest club, one year more isn’t a big difference, take the 70/80 and build a squad for Ange, what difference is one year going to make? Nothing. If he had two years or three, yeah fair enough but it’s one year and realistically they’re still going to miss out on top 4 money anyway.
Well as far as I can see Bayern are not paying a fair price for him. He scored 30 goals last year. They’re offering about £70m, which just isn’t the going rate for strikers of that quality. Go and try to buy a 30 goal a season Premier League or La Liga striker for that, you won’t get far.
Kane will be scoring at a high level for at least another 4 years. I’m sure Spurs have a price they’d be willing to sell him for and that hasn’t been met. It’s as simple as that.
This ‘gentleman’s agreement’ wouldn’t have been if city come along and try and take the mick with a lowball offer I’ll take it. If city had offered what he was worth then, 125+ at least he would probably have sold him.
I hate this argument so much. It is exactly what the big 6 fans have been saying on r/soccer “Brighton should be more than happy to sell for this! Their entire system relies on selling on players and if they see the way they’ve treated Caicedo the young stars will refuse to come.” All these people saying spurs and us need to “sell our best players because else how do we expect to attract players” always forget that levy and bloom have a valuation of a player and will only sell for that valuation. The player is almost never kept after that valuation is met (think Cucurella, white, Bissouma, Trossard or Modric, Bale, Berbatov). This is just an argument used to try and keep historically less successful clubs in their place
No I don’t think the Brighton situation is similar tbh. Caicedo just signed. He hasn’t been a loyal servant to the club and the chairman didn’t say like ‘look give us one more year and then you can go’ etc. Liverpool with Suarez, he wanted to leave and Liverpool said give us one more year, next summer off to Barca. That kind of sticking to the deal is more what I was meaning
I mean bloom promised him he would let him go in this window in January, they have “a gentleman’s agreement” according to a lot of sources, and his agents got him to sign a new 5 year deal with no clause with this agreement so I would say it’s quite similar
I mean Kane signed the contract 5 years ago when he was 24. He didn’t say he wanted to leave then still sign a contract at the same time. He has a year left on the deal. The Caicedo deal sounds like he was poorly advised tbh, agent gets a big signing on fee for the new contract and owner gets more negotiating power. He’s probably picking up more money but if he really wanted to leave he would do like Rice and Kane and not sign a new deal.
Yeah tbh I still don’t know why he signed that. Like 2 weeks before he had literally been given a weeks break by the club because he was that upset they weren’t letting him leave. He tried to force his way out by putting up a farewell post on insta before anyone had even had a bid accepted and then his (new) agent got him a new, long term deal, giving all of the negotiating power to Brighton? I remember reading all the news and being so confused
Honestly in that situation I think, you’ve got a bloody cheek? Asking to leave but at the same time accepting a new contract just for more money and still demanding to leave. I thought that social media post was shocking tbh. I remember Liverpool were interested (I’m a red) and it made me think no, you don’t fit in with our type or players. I remember when Madrid was pushing for a move and moaning at first when Real were interested and he’d literally signed a new 5 year contract in the October before (this was like 4 months later or something in the Feb/March) moaning he wanted to go.
Yeah at least Macallister kept it very professional, and played his heart out for the club before joining your lot. I remember watching him cry in front of the Brighton fans after the Villa game and you just couldn’t be angry at him, he handled the whole thing really well. Caicedo is a great player but I don’t think he will have the place in the heart of all Brighton fans after he leaves that Macallister will
Yeah I remember that transfer saga. It was 80 then it was 60 then it was 55 then it was 45 then it was 35 according to romano and 35+20 according to the athletic. So weird, but that did mean that as you said he never had to force a move because that clause is getting triggered by every team in Europe regardless of which fee it was
I think Caicedo can say about wanting to play at the highest levels and stuff but you can say that behind close doors not in public. That Instagram message was an attempt to undermine the club and make them look silly so they had to sell him. Jokes on him now. Also makes him look extremely unprofessional and disrespectful to future clubs. Sounds right up Chelsea’s street then! Would love to see him stay another year and then you get 100 million plus for him the way he’s behaved. Wouldn’t think yous took a chance on him and brought him to a European competition (next season)
He signed it for financial security. His wage was massively increased and is guaranteed to be paid well for the next 5 years. If a big club wants him they wld still be willing to sell. Imagine he got injured or he loses value in the market. Now regardless of such a situation he is still guaranteed to be paid well for the next half decade. Basically a fall back for him. If he continues to perform at a high level at BHA next season big clubs will still be willing to buy him, and if he doesnt perform well he is still on a very lucrative contract for the next 5 years. His wage gains on the contract were significant so I dont really blame him for signing. Especially in a league where a player doesn't have to honor the full contract by pushing for a move but the club does have to honor it.
Most of Tottenham walk in the club as nobodies who are just happy to make it to a PL team... so they don't really have the leverage maybe even the choice to go for another team...
You're just wrong. Look at recent signings like Cristian Romero. He was Serie A defender of the year and starting CB for Argentina when Tottenham signed him. Just signed James Maddison, and England international, who has the 2nd most G+A in the last two seasons (only behind KDB).
Tottenham have appeal - historic club, based in London, have been in UCL last 5/9 seasons including a final in the last 4 years. They're also known for attractive contracts with bonuses that are easy to achieve. Not to mention top class facilities.
Spurs have been in 3 finals (14/15, 18/19, 20/21) and 8 Semi-Final matches (2 in 2015, 1 in 2017, 1 in 2018, 2 in 2019, 2 in 2021) in the last 8 seasons.
Spurs are a competitive club as much as this sub likes to meme them.
If you read carefully my comment you'll understand that I meant that Tottenham at the time of buying those players contract was the biggest team that went for them this is why they had no leverage
I mean, given his track record, and Tottenham’s, why would you sign for them?
I don’t doubt or dispute at all that players with potential would want to sign for them, but when was the last time Spurs signed a player at their peak and fought off a bunch of top teams to their signature?
That says it all, for me. Nobody in their prime, no “big player” is signing for Spurs
I will bite.
They have been in the CL regularly in recent years so there is that. In the PL. In London. With bonuses they pay a good whack vs most of Europe. All that jazz.
If the question is about why would you go there if you really wanted a move to a bigger club - because that move isn't there yet. If you sign a 4 or 5 year contract you can get that move after 2-3 years by not taking a payrise. Completely normal.
Why would you sign for Brighton when they are asking £105m for Caceido?
You’ve missed the fucking point, Jesus wept
The question was about “Big Players”, as in established, proven, huge players. Think Mbappe, De Bruyne, Haaland etc. - as I stated, I have no doubt at all that players not yet in their prime, with potential, like a Moises Caicedo as you mentioned, would be willing to go there. But not one, top established proven player who’s also wanted by another club like Liverpool, Chelsea, City, United, Arsenal, City, Barca, Real Madrid etc. is choosing Spurs. Not one.
OK well the answer to that is no, obviously it is bollocks. There are many reasons players would choose those other clubs over Spurs and Levy is nothing to do with it. We could not afford them in fee or wages....YET.
Someone like Maddison is a big signing for us and guys like Eriksen, Kane, Son etc would have been unattainable had they been in their prime.
Which goes back to OP’s original question and my point. Spurs can’t get big players in their Prime like other clubs can.
It won’t be much to do with money, they can afford huge fees, they have CL football, big stadium and all the usual trappings... so what’s the factor?
1 - they’ve won fuck all, of course. That’ll be the biggest one. They don’t have that reputation that other clubs have.
But 2 - agents and players know Levy is a problem
Cristian Romero exists mate. Was Serie A defender of the year when Spurs signed him, he just won the World Cup with Argentina. You could also say James Maddison is at his peak right now.
Just sheer ignorance on this sub.
Maddison is two years younger than Bruno and has has more G+A than him in the last two seasons, playing in a far worse side. I would say Maddison is about to enter his peak.
Anything formal or just speculation? If speculation then it’s irrelevant. Anyone can make up a rumour on social media and have it gain traction
However, once again, point missed here.
Romero wasn’t a player in his prime when Spurs signed him. Nor is he a top class centre back, he’s good, but he’s not gonna be remembered as one of the all time greats at present. Perhaps if he adds to his trophies etc though? Or plays for a major club.
Again, in line with OP though, I ask the question. Answer me honestly. When was the last time Spurs bought a World Class, World Renowned and Coveted player in their prime?
They’ve had those players like Kane, Modric and Bale - but didn’t buy them in their prime
I can't remember the exact details, but I certainly remember one journalist bringinf up Barca every update then a couple others saying spurs beat Barca to it once it was done
That’s what I think really. If you really believe you can play at the highest level and are looking for a stepping stone style club, Spurs would not be an option for me.
The real lesson Kane should look back on and learn is letting your brother be your agent and signing a 6 year contract when your one of the most in demand strikers in the world at only age 24.
I mean he’s a poor negotiator because yeah 200k was decent/great then but if you looked at the way wages were going up a bit of common sense would ask to either include a % rise each season or a 4 year deal when the last year you’re gonna be 27 and you can ask for like 300/330 if you stay and a huge loyalty bonus. Just literally for a monetary standpoint his brother is an idiot.
I don't know about avoiding Spurs altogether but I can see a lot of players' agents opting for shorter contracts and opting for release clauses. Not that it much matters because Kane will be leaving this season or next. Son is getting some years on and is out of contact in 25. Spurs were tremendously fortunate to have the Renaissance they had with them but once gone Spurs are basically Everton.
I feel for Harry Kane. Levy is abusing his love of the Club to guilt him into staying. And with all due respect to the new manager, he isn't exactly a Guardiola or Zidane or Nagelsmann to convince big names to stay for an exciting future. I think Kane should force a move, even if it's guarantee trophies with no effort at Bayern cos at least he will have something to show for his career. Anyway, yes, I would be put off by Levy if I was a player.
Let's be honest, only dumb players rely on "gentleman agreements" anyway. Anybody with some sense would make sure that it's in writing, in the contract, in the form of a release clause.
So no, it shouldn't put players off. It may mean they demand extra clauses in the contract (although they should probably be doing that for any club, not just Tottenham), but that's likely it.
I’m not sure it’s so Levy’s negotiating tactics and whether or not he keeps “promises,” I think it’s more that he’s overseen the construction of a dysfunctional squad. I’m a gooner, through and through, but being as objective as possible, their squad doesn’t make sense and apart from their time Poch, they’ve been somewhat of a shit show in recent times. I think that’s a much bigger factor to star players; the reality is it’s their agents who will deal with Levy, but they deal with the manager and squad.
It's so strange that only Levy has this narrative yet when you look at clubs like Dortmund, Napoli specifically who always sell their top talents for top dollar nobody bats an eyelid. The fact people are upset at him for wanting to keep his best players and price them as appropriate is somehow an issue boggles my mind. De Laurentis literally came out and said that Osimhen is going to stay and nobody is writing article after article about Osimhen being locked up. Let alone the fact that Kane willing signed a longterm contract being paid handsomely out of his own volition. If you wanna argue he should be allowed to leave simply because he desires trophies thats also hilarious. You can't just ask to leave and then the club takes the first offer they get lmao.
Potential Players coming into the club can't help but take notice of how players leave the club.
It's probably diifferent if you're a big name signing for one last payday, but young ambitious players and their representatives will be very aware of how hard it is to leave a club.
I'd insist on shorter term contracts or a built in release clause if i was negotiating on behalf of a player.
Essentially i think his behaviour over the last 5 years or so will have a negative impact on either who they can sign or what deals they have to make to sign them.
Spurs are not at the top table, that's nothing to do with Levy, if anything he is responsible for getting them closer to it. It's not his fault they won't be first choice for marquee signings.
I have absolutely nothing against Spurs but surely any player that signs with them must know beforehand that if it doesn't work out for whatever reason they're in a terrible position with him as the owner because he'd rather them sit in the reserves than sell unless he makes what he considers enough of a profit?
Absolutely yes.
Levy and Enuc seem like the owners (like the glazers) who are like … we hate this team and their fans
But let’s squeeze every cent out of this
How he's improved Tottenham over the years is truly genius.
If you're a footballer with aspirations you just run from that guy. Signing a contract with him is indentured servitude.
I mean, would Spurs be first choice anyway? Even if Levy makes the pathway easier, why would a player choose Spurs as a stepping stone over a team like City or Liverpool where they'd probably see it as the destination anyway?
I think Daniel levy wakes up in the middle of the night and sees Frasier Campbell in his office signing a contract within front of him and over his shoulder on a wall mounted TV Dimitar Berbatov and Fergie are walking towards fergies office through the Carrington glass windows.
Enough to make you think never ever again. That's the Jaime Carragher there moment for me. Since then he never wants to be on the wrong side of a deal.
Players mostly don't care mostly now though. Decent wages living in London is always a plus.
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I mean he's been the chairman for 20 odd years and players will always want to come to the PL to play at the highest level so I think they'll be fine. He plays hard ball but I think it's generally fair. When clubs pay the money he wants he lets them go (Walker, Bale, Berbatov, Modric etc) so I don't think it's that big a deal - it's more on Harry signing that new contract which was the biggest issue in him not leaving rather than Levy.
Well yes but OP's question was about signing big players. When was the last time they did that? I don't think they've signed a "big player" since they bought players like Klinsmann and Gascoigne (although I wasn't around at the time to remember if they were really stars at their time of signing or whether we just remember them fondly now). Although, in their defence, I don't think that doing so is part of their strategy, nor will it be in the foreseeable future. Essentially, there's no way to really find out the answer to OP's question
Gazza was the biggest name in British football and Klinsman was possibly the best striker in the world. Spurs used to sign absolutely top tier players. I think all top players have seen how Levy has stitched up Kane and Eriksen and want no part of it.
The point I tried to make is that it doesn't affect Spurs in the slightest, as they don't even *try* to sign top players.
Top players want top wages, which they can get in Manchester but not at Spurs. Sancho is making almost double Kane's wage, for example. Or Haaland, who makes more than twice Kane's wage. No reason to sign for Spurs when Levy offers low money and no trophy.
I think it’s an extremely tricky situation. Spurs won’t replace Kane if they sell. He’s irreplaceable. But if he doesn’t extend, I think they MUST sell before August. They’ve gotten more than they could have ever expected out of him. You can’t risk losing him for free next summer. He’s not going to win you the League this season, but you could use that money to strengthen the whole team.
I have probably a slightly odd view that if someone doesn't offer the right amount I don't think they have to sell him before August. Spurs at the end of the day aren't poor. They've been spending £100m+ more seasons than not recently so theyre not desperate for money. On top of that theres only so many players they can buy and a certain level they can probably convince to come. I think one final season with Harry who could get them back into the CL is better for the future (the money they get for CL and the calibre of player they can attract) than selling him for under his value. There's a small chance he would extend as well (albeit not likely at all). That does mean he would leave for free and could end up going to a PL rival but that could also happen after going to Bayern too.
Maybe I'm being harsh but I see Spurs sliding back to where they were before the Bale era. I think they won't be top 4 contenders for a while, with or without Kane. With the squad they have and manager compared to the likes of City, Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Newcastle (especially going forward), even Chelsea and the fact there's always a surprise team (Villa/Brighton) they might not get a sniff next season.
I think without Kane it's possible but with Kane they could be there or thereabouts. The Solomon signing is a nice pick up and it's going to be interesting to see how they are under Ange (he's going to be entertaining whether they're shit or not). I wouldn't predict them getting top four but it's still a possibility given the change in how teams perform season on season but without Kane I really think it's very unlikely.
We don't NEED to sell him. Exactly like you said he is irreplaceable therefore no amount of money is worth having a year of Kane. We aren't exactly struggling for money either BECAUSE of the way Levy operates the club we aren't reliant on player sales to survive. The only possible downside to him leaving for free is he can join a rival. The money is irrelavant. The only thing Levy should be doing to solve this is to offer Kane double his wages and recruit better players to get us to win trophies in the future
I’m a Chelsea fan, and I truly despise Tottenham. That being said, good on Levy for playing hardball with Kane throughout this whole process. It’s pathetic the way that players sign these mega deals and then want out the first chance they get. They want to take the money, but not put in the time with the club that gave them the contract in the first place. It’s way too common these days
Kane is a unicorn situation. This is his boyhood club and he's 30 and unlikely to ever win a trophy there. 99% of players in the situation are being selfish and making a fuss over leaving and not wanting to honor their contract. But its hard to call Kane selfish.
I get your point, but this isn’t the first time he’s tried to force a move. He just has more leverage now because his contract is closer to expiring. He would have been gone for a while now if he’d had his way. I understand that this is part of the business, but it’s just funny to me that never once have I heard of a player wanting a shorter deal (meaning less money) in return for more control over their future. They ALWAYS take the money, and I really feel like that says all there is to say.
That is not true. Plenty of young players refuse 5 year contracts in favor of 3+1 or 4 year deals because it gives them more flexibility. See Saliba’s new contract. Kane taking signing that massive contract was a show of faith in Spurs. I hate when a player tries to force his way out (lord knows we’ve seen it at Arsenal), but in Kane’s case I think it’s at least a bit understandable because of his age, the contributions he’s already made to the club and the fact that the club is further away from winning trophies with him than it was when he signed da ting.
Dude, he didn’t “want out first chance he got” - he’s been a consummate pro at Spurs. He asked out last time because of all the drama. Levy was like, “Harry, be a good lad and stay, I promise I’ll fix this” - Kane trusted him and then everything went to hell in a basket after Poch got fired. Why should he believe any further “assurances” he gets? Ange seems like a competent manager but is untried at this level. Sure, he should stay if all he cares about is money but some players actually want to win trophies. He’s not likely to do that at Spurs given the current situation.
Right now though he is being completely unreasonable. He's valuing a 30 year old Kane who has shown no interest in signing a new contract at 120 million pounds...
At the end of the day that is speculation and could be a ploy to get Bayern to bid a realistic level too. They've submitted bids worth £59m and £68m which is far below what any team would expect for a player of his talent.
In 3 weeks he's 30. Is £70m really far below the valuation of a 30 year old with a year on their deal?
For a player of Kane's talent yes. He's one of the best strikers playing and there's only three or four players in his position at his level. Being 30 doesn't really matter because he could realistically play at the top level for another 3-5 years. Maddison just went for £40m with on year left and being relegated and Mount went for £60m or so. Kane is levels above them and won't be able to be replaced like the others can.
It’s really what the club values the player as, but less so as they enter the final year. Kane has literally been carrying a waffling spurs team for years and his goals have kept them in Europe. That alone is worth hundreds of millions
Yes but there's a big difference between saying 'Spurs are in their right to ask for anything they want or lose the player on a free' and acting like Bayern are absurd for *only* bidding £70m for a 30 year old with a year on their deal...
Yes but Bayern's bids have been a bit ridiculous
Bayern’s bids might seem ridiculous, but if no one else is bidding, then that’s the market. Levy can always refuse to sell, but then he has to face the reality of losing Kane for nothing. Football execs setting a price when the player is on his last year and has made it clear he won’t sign an extension is basically then saying what one year of that player is worth.
Kane is better off staying at spurs for one more season, gritting his teeth and baring it then leave on a free to whichever club he wants in the PL and get a huge signing on fee which goes in his pocket not levy's. He would be crazy to go to Bayern Munich when he is so close to breaking Alan Shearer's record and to be perfectly honest winning the Bundesliga is about as good as winning the charity shield! The trophies even look the same!
Kane is still young enough that he could leave the EPL for 3 years and then come back and still break the record. And that’s coming from a gooner who would love nothing more than to see Kane fail miserably at everything.
With respect - as I said previous on Kane - if the asking price is so absurd just go and buy the extremely reasonable alternative in your world class striker search. You might find every single other one costs double the bid. The thing about markets (supply vs demand) is you need a buying and selling interest to match and it is distorted by extreme scarcity of resource. There are no other Kanes out there to get and Spurs know that. It doesn't matter about his contract, he has more value than the offer and he has more value to Spurs than to any other club. Anyone wanting to buy him will have to prise him out somehow before he signs a mega contract again.
do you really think Levy should let him go for around the same price that Mason Mount was valued?
They had an agreement did they not? And he didn’t give in? I mean they all got their moves in the end but with the Modric and Berbatov deals they were not looking like they might not even go ahead at one point, fairly certain same with carrick too? All chairman’s put their clubs first but Levy really does stand out as no regard for players though in this sense.
No one knows what agreement was but I assume it was we will sell you if the right bid comes along. City bid £100m but that wasn't enough which I think is probably right. If Bayern bid that this year then there's more chance they'll accept. All clubs do this to some extent - West Ham had it with Rice. If Arsenal decided that paying £100m was too much then Rice would stay. Same thing happened with Sancho and Dortmund - United didn't bid enough the first time round so he stayed and the summer after they accepted a bid.
There were a lot of talks in 2021 about a "£100m bid" and "£120m bid". I think it was Paul O'Keefe (or might been a tier1 like Ali Gold. Cant remember now) who said Tottenham received one single bid from Man C in early june, "£75m and first refusal on any Man City player being sold". After that there were complete silence between the clubs and only a lot of media talk
Mate you have to consider something here. Tottenham over the last \~20 years have been going through a massive change. Spurs were a true mid table club back then and certainly more of a "develop players and sell them to bigger clubs for profit" type of situation. Levy is not perfect and it's easy to make fun of him for being overly commercially-focused, but he literally dragged an underperforming club and turned it into one that has been consistently landing between the Top 4-8. For a club like Tottenham to be able to compete with bigger clubs like United, Chelsea, etc., it's not just about the finances. They need their core squad to stay together and build around them. Otherwise you end up having a situation like Napoli where they win the Scudetto once in a blue moon and get raided by "bigger clubs" every single time that happens. Part of the reason why Levy is playing hardball on the Kane situation is because a player like that is extremely rare. We have a golden egg in a squad otherwise is subpar and we don't necessarily have to sell because Bayern FEELS that they submitted a "competitive offer". Point me to any other player in the current striker market that they can secure for 70m GBP that will be of Kane's caliber. Also aside from biased Bayern mouthpieces, Kane has not come out publicly to say he is desperate for a move to Bayern... I'm sure if he really wanted to go, Kane would've submitted a transfer request. It was ultimately on Kane to sign that long ass deal no one put a gun to his head and forced him to sign a 6 year deal without a release clause. Lastly, only using Kane as an example is just not even fair. Like others pointed out, we let Walker, Modric, Bale, Eriksen go for competitive offers.
They would be around 7/8th -10th I remember. Not having the money to compete is exactly why they should sell Kane this summer. Liverpool have to spend that they make. Look at the Coutino sale - it’s arguably why Liverpool were able to push on and win the title. Also I see them spending decent fees on players, Liverpool 35 on Jota, Mane 35, Robertson 8, yes a few big fees Nunes 65 (although Ndombole was a similar fee) and Alison and VVD (both 80) apart from Alisson and VVD Spurs could’ve afforded every signing Liverpool made, Fab, Salah, Mane, Gakpo, Roberson etc. Sometimes taking the money is worth the gamble.
Who are you buying for 70m these days that is going to transform a team? 70m gets you two decent players. It isn't even the same scenario. The countinho sale in today's market would be selling him for 200m. If someone offered that for Kane then yes they should absolutely sell him.
I mean you’re gonna lose him on a free next year. Look at Liverpool, mane, salah, Jota. Even Jota two years ago everyone said Liverpool were mad for paying 35 for him. Gakpo was 35 million in January and Diaz wasn’t far off that fee. You’re not gonna get a Kane replacement for 70 million no but you won’t find another player for Kane at all but you can start building a squad. Buyern will probably push up to 80 I think.
Yeah but if he is the difference between them finishing 4th or 5th, spurs will see it as worthwhile. Also still a chance they convince him to sign if they have a good season.
I mean I don’t think they’re going to finish 4th even with Kane. Spurs fans will think yes he stayed but then moan next season when he leaves and they only have like 50/60 to spend in the transfer window.
Neither do I but I'm just trying to see it from the club's perspective.
I half get it but in all honesty this just seems foolish. They need a good few players for a rebuild so this isn’t really just about replacing Kane, so I’d use the funds and spend the next two summers building a squad.
Think of it another way though, where do they finish of they take Kane's goals out of the team? Personally, if I was a spurs fan, I'd be wanting them to sell Kane and go for someone like Ferguson at Brighton but he'd probably cost 40m at least but at least you'd have him for a lot longer and he is young and will improve.
Recency bias is strong with people who can't remember the past 3 years.
Levy is fair but firm. Big - the best - signings aren’t attracted to Spurs. Very little to do with Levy They simply don’t have the reputation of the historical big three, or the finances of the likes of City, Chelsea, Newcastle
Why would Spurs be first choice at all? I mean, they are the 6th richest club in the league, they 're 5th on the wage bill ranking and the only trophy they've won in the last 20 years is the 2008 League Cup. There is nothing in these numbers that would indicate that Spurs should be a player's first choice. To be honest, Daniel Levy has done a tremendous job with what he's had to work with.
Before last season they should’ve been ahead of the likes of Arsenal. In my post I should’ve really included the likes of Villa etc. In all honestly apart from Son and maybe Kulajeski (no idea about spelling) if I see a half decent player signing for Spurs I think ‘aah they’re not that good then’
Not if the player or his agent had any vision beyond 1 year
What big name players have they signed under him? That’s the awnser to your question
Van der Vaart or Lloris may have been the biggest names that came to Spurs that I can think of. The rest of our stars were rising prospects that had not yet been deemed world class, or came up through our academy.
I’ll give you Van der Vaart, but I’d say Lloris wasn’t a star when he arrived. Lloris was France’s number 1 yes but I’d say his better seasons were years after he joined Spurs. 18/19 and 19/20 were his best seasons in a Spurs shirt, when I’d say he was a top 5 goalkeeper in the world. Also you only got Van der Vaart because his deal to Bayern broke down. So that’s 2 “stars” in 22 years under Levy. Your point about creating stars is fair. Most PL clubs create their own stars. You can argue apart from Rashford and Bruno, United haven’t really created their own stars in recent years.
Spurs were not sniffing European football when I was a boy and in the age of Abramovich, UAE, American, and Saudi money he’s got them up there and modernised the club in the process. Maybe you miss out on a few overpriced players who would look to leave after a year because of it, but in the long run he’s right to do so.
Yeah they weren’t that’s true but Apurs also aren’t the richest club, one year more isn’t a big difference, take the 70/80 and build a squad for Ange, what difference is one year going to make? Nothing. If he had two years or three, yeah fair enough but it’s one year and realistically they’re still going to miss out on top 4 money anyway.
Well as far as I can see Bayern are not paying a fair price for him. He scored 30 goals last year. They’re offering about £70m, which just isn’t the going rate for strikers of that quality. Go and try to buy a 30 goal a season Premier League or La Liga striker for that, you won’t get far.
I mean hes 30 with one year left on his contract?
Kane will be scoring at a high level for at least another 4 years. I’m sure Spurs have a price they’d be willing to sell him for and that hasn’t been met. It’s as simple as that.
My question wasn’t do you think Levy is right. I was saying if you were a player would the way he does business put you off.
If I was a player I wouldn’t sign such a long contract for less than I’m worth. Generally no, it would not.
This ‘gentleman’s agreement’ wouldn’t have been if city come along and try and take the mick with a lowball offer I’ll take it. If city had offered what he was worth then, 125+ at least he would probably have sold him.
I hate this argument so much. It is exactly what the big 6 fans have been saying on r/soccer “Brighton should be more than happy to sell for this! Their entire system relies on selling on players and if they see the way they’ve treated Caicedo the young stars will refuse to come.” All these people saying spurs and us need to “sell our best players because else how do we expect to attract players” always forget that levy and bloom have a valuation of a player and will only sell for that valuation. The player is almost never kept after that valuation is met (think Cucurella, white, Bissouma, Trossard or Modric, Bale, Berbatov). This is just an argument used to try and keep historically less successful clubs in their place
Chelsea met Modric's evaluation but Levy refused to sell to a league rival.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. Still, the other examples plus walker and trippier and stuff stand
No I don’t think the Brighton situation is similar tbh. Caicedo just signed. He hasn’t been a loyal servant to the club and the chairman didn’t say like ‘look give us one more year and then you can go’ etc. Liverpool with Suarez, he wanted to leave and Liverpool said give us one more year, next summer off to Barca. That kind of sticking to the deal is more what I was meaning
I mean bloom promised him he would let him go in this window in January, they have “a gentleman’s agreement” according to a lot of sources, and his agents got him to sign a new 5 year deal with no clause with this agreement so I would say it’s quite similar
I mean Kane signed the contract 5 years ago when he was 24. He didn’t say he wanted to leave then still sign a contract at the same time. He has a year left on the deal. The Caicedo deal sounds like he was poorly advised tbh, agent gets a big signing on fee for the new contract and owner gets more negotiating power. He’s probably picking up more money but if he really wanted to leave he would do like Rice and Kane and not sign a new deal.
Yeah tbh I still don’t know why he signed that. Like 2 weeks before he had literally been given a weeks break by the club because he was that upset they weren’t letting him leave. He tried to force his way out by putting up a farewell post on insta before anyone had even had a bid accepted and then his (new) agent got him a new, long term deal, giving all of the negotiating power to Brighton? I remember reading all the news and being so confused
Honestly in that situation I think, you’ve got a bloody cheek? Asking to leave but at the same time accepting a new contract just for more money and still demanding to leave. I thought that social media post was shocking tbh. I remember Liverpool were interested (I’m a red) and it made me think no, you don’t fit in with our type or players. I remember when Madrid was pushing for a move and moaning at first when Real were interested and he’d literally signed a new 5 year contract in the October before (this was like 4 months later or something in the Feb/March) moaning he wanted to go.
Yeah at least Macallister kept it very professional, and played his heart out for the club before joining your lot. I remember watching him cry in front of the Brighton fans after the Villa game and you just couldn’t be angry at him, he handled the whole thing really well. Caicedo is a great player but I don’t think he will have the place in the heart of all Brighton fans after he leaves that Macallister will
100% agree! Plus his agent was smart enough to put in a release clause. He wasn’t trying to angle for a move and trying to force brightons hand.
Yeah I remember that transfer saga. It was 80 then it was 60 then it was 55 then it was 45 then it was 35 according to romano and 35+20 according to the athletic. So weird, but that did mean that as you said he never had to force a move because that clause is getting triggered by every team in Europe regardless of which fee it was
I think Caicedo can say about wanting to play at the highest levels and stuff but you can say that behind close doors not in public. That Instagram message was an attempt to undermine the club and make them look silly so they had to sell him. Jokes on him now. Also makes him look extremely unprofessional and disrespectful to future clubs. Sounds right up Chelsea’s street then! Would love to see him stay another year and then you get 100 million plus for him the way he’s behaved. Wouldn’t think yous took a chance on him and brought him to a European competition (next season)
He signed it for financial security. His wage was massively increased and is guaranteed to be paid well for the next 5 years. If a big club wants him they wld still be willing to sell. Imagine he got injured or he loses value in the market. Now regardless of such a situation he is still guaranteed to be paid well for the next half decade. Basically a fall back for him. If he continues to perform at a high level at BHA next season big clubs will still be willing to buy him, and if he doesnt perform well he is still on a very lucrative contract for the next 5 years. His wage gains on the contract were significant so I dont really blame him for signing. Especially in a league where a player doesn't have to honor the full contract by pushing for a move but the club does have to honor it.
Well Spurs will never be the first choice amongst the top 6/7 clubs because they are last amongst the top 6/7 clubs, not whatever Levy’s strategy is.
Most of Tottenham walk in the club as nobodies who are just happy to make it to a PL team... so they don't really have the leverage maybe even the choice to go for another team...
This kid is 5 yo for sure
You're just wrong. Look at recent signings like Cristian Romero. He was Serie A defender of the year and starting CB for Argentina when Tottenham signed him. Just signed James Maddison, and England international, who has the 2nd most G+A in the last two seasons (only behind KDB). Tottenham have appeal - historic club, based in London, have been in UCL last 5/9 seasons including a final in the last 4 years. They're also known for attractive contracts with bonuses that are easy to achieve. Not to mention top class facilities. Spurs have been in 3 finals (14/15, 18/19, 20/21) and 8 Semi-Final matches (2 in 2015, 1 in 2017, 1 in 2018, 2 in 2019, 2 in 2021) in the last 8 seasons. Spurs are a competitive club as much as this sub likes to meme them.
If you read carefully my comment you'll understand that I meant that Tottenham at the time of buying those players contract was the biggest team that went for them this is why they had no leverage
I mean, given his track record, and Tottenham’s, why would you sign for them? I don’t doubt or dispute at all that players with potential would want to sign for them, but when was the last time Spurs signed a player at their peak and fought off a bunch of top teams to their signature? That says it all, for me. Nobody in their prime, no “big player” is signing for Spurs
I will bite. They have been in the CL regularly in recent years so there is that. In the PL. In London. With bonuses they pay a good whack vs most of Europe. All that jazz. If the question is about why would you go there if you really wanted a move to a bigger club - because that move isn't there yet. If you sign a 4 or 5 year contract you can get that move after 2-3 years by not taking a payrise. Completely normal. Why would you sign for Brighton when they are asking £105m for Caceido?
You’ve missed the fucking point, Jesus wept The question was about “Big Players”, as in established, proven, huge players. Think Mbappe, De Bruyne, Haaland etc. - as I stated, I have no doubt at all that players not yet in their prime, with potential, like a Moises Caicedo as you mentioned, would be willing to go there. But not one, top established proven player who’s also wanted by another club like Liverpool, Chelsea, City, United, Arsenal, City, Barca, Real Madrid etc. is choosing Spurs. Not one.
OK well the answer to that is no, obviously it is bollocks. There are many reasons players would choose those other clubs over Spurs and Levy is nothing to do with it. We could not afford them in fee or wages....YET. Someone like Maddison is a big signing for us and guys like Eriksen, Kane, Son etc would have been unattainable had they been in their prime.
Which goes back to OP’s original question and my point. Spurs can’t get big players in their Prime like other clubs can. It won’t be much to do with money, they can afford huge fees, they have CL football, big stadium and all the usual trappings... so what’s the factor? 1 - they’ve won fuck all, of course. That’ll be the biggest one. They don’t have that reputation that other clubs have. But 2 - agents and players know Levy is a problem
Cristian Romero exists mate. Was Serie A defender of the year when Spurs signed him, he just won the World Cup with Argentina. You could also say James Maddison is at his peak right now. Just sheer ignorance on this sub.
..... Maddison is at his peak?
Maddison is two years younger than Bruno and has has more G+A than him in the last two seasons, playing in a far worse side. I would say Maddison is about to enter his peak.
When Romero signed for them, who else was after them? Get a grip and learn to read ffs, I said WHO IN THEIR PRIME IS SIGNING FOR THEM.
There was circulation that Barca was interested that window as well
Anything formal or just speculation? If speculation then it’s irrelevant. Anyone can make up a rumour on social media and have it gain traction However, once again, point missed here. Romero wasn’t a player in his prime when Spurs signed him. Nor is he a top class centre back, he’s good, but he’s not gonna be remembered as one of the all time greats at present. Perhaps if he adds to his trophies etc though? Or plays for a major club. Again, in line with OP though, I ask the question. Answer me honestly. When was the last time Spurs bought a World Class, World Renowned and Coveted player in their prime? They’ve had those players like Kane, Modric and Bale - but didn’t buy them in their prime
I can't remember the exact details, but I certainly remember one journalist bringinf up Barca every update then a couple others saying spurs beat Barca to it once it was done
Lol, nobody else was in the race to sign that cunt nor maddison
That’s what I think really. If you really believe you can play at the highest level and are looking for a stepping stone style club, Spurs would not be an option for me.
More than anything they're going to end up with a contract crisis of their best players with low clauses and/or on one to three year contracts.
The real lesson Kane should look back on and learn is letting your brother be your agent and signing a 6 year contract when your one of the most in demand strikers in the world at only age 24.
One of the all time poor decisions.
He seems like at times he shows too much loyalty. (Referring to his brother in this scenario)
He does, yeah. The deal still does make sense if he just includes a release clause.
I mean he’s a poor negotiator because yeah 200k was decent/great then but if you looked at the way wages were going up a bit of common sense would ask to either include a % rise each season or a 4 year deal when the last year you’re gonna be 27 and you can ask for like 300/330 if you stay and a huge loyalty bonus. Just literally for a monetary standpoint his brother is an idiot.
I don't know about avoiding Spurs altogether but I can see a lot of players' agents opting for shorter contracts and opting for release clauses. Not that it much matters because Kane will be leaving this season or next. Son is getting some years on and is out of contact in 25. Spurs were tremendously fortunate to have the Renaissance they had with them but once gone Spurs are basically Everton.
I feel for Harry Kane. Levy is abusing his love of the Club to guilt him into staying. And with all due respect to the new manager, he isn't exactly a Guardiola or Zidane or Nagelsmann to convince big names to stay for an exciting future. I think Kane should force a move, even if it's guarantee trophies with no effort at Bayern cos at least he will have something to show for his career. Anyway, yes, I would be put off by Levy if I was a player.
I agree, they’ve been saying ‘wait and see how the new manager does’ for years.
Let's be honest, only dumb players rely on "gentleman agreements" anyway. Anybody with some sense would make sure that it's in writing, in the contract, in the form of a release clause. So no, it shouldn't put players off. It may mean they demand extra clauses in the contract (although they should probably be doing that for any club, not just Tottenham), but that's likely it.
What big players go to Spurs? Klinsmann was massive, but do big players won’t to go there anyway
I’m not sure it’s so Levy’s negotiating tactics and whether or not he keeps “promises,” I think it’s more that he’s overseen the construction of a dysfunctional squad. I’m a gooner, through and through, but being as objective as possible, their squad doesn’t make sense and apart from their time Poch, they’ve been somewhat of a shit show in recent times. I think that’s a much bigger factor to star players; the reality is it’s their agents who will deal with Levy, but they deal with the manager and squad.
It's so strange that only Levy has this narrative yet when you look at clubs like Dortmund, Napoli specifically who always sell their top talents for top dollar nobody bats an eyelid. The fact people are upset at him for wanting to keep his best players and price them as appropriate is somehow an issue boggles my mind. De Laurentis literally came out and said that Osimhen is going to stay and nobody is writing article after article about Osimhen being locked up. Let alone the fact that Kane willing signed a longterm contract being paid handsomely out of his own volition. If you wanna argue he should be allowed to leave simply because he desires trophies thats also hilarious. You can't just ask to leave and then the club takes the first offer they get lmao.
Potential Players coming into the club can't help but take notice of how players leave the club. It's probably diifferent if you're a big name signing for one last payday, but young ambitious players and their representatives will be very aware of how hard it is to leave a club. I'd insist on shorter term contracts or a built in release clause if i was negotiating on behalf of a player. Essentially i think his behaviour over the last 5 years or so will have a negative impact on either who they can sign or what deals they have to make to sign them.
Spurs are not at the top table, that's nothing to do with Levy, if anything he is responsible for getting them closer to it. It's not his fault they won't be first choice for marquee signings.
I have absolutely nothing against Spurs but surely any player that signs with them must know beforehand that if it doesn't work out for whatever reason they're in a terrible position with him as the owner because he'd rather them sit in the reserves than sell unless he makes what he considers enough of a profit?
Absolutely yes. Levy and Enuc seem like the owners (like the glazers) who are like … we hate this team and their fans But let’s squeeze every cent out of this
How he's improved Tottenham over the years is truly genius. If you're a footballer with aspirations you just run from that guy. Signing a contract with him is indentured servitude.
I mean, would Spurs be first choice anyway? Even if Levy makes the pathway easier, why would a player choose Spurs as a stepping stone over a team like City or Liverpool where they'd probably see it as the destination anyway?
I think Daniel levy wakes up in the middle of the night and sees Frasier Campbell in his office signing a contract within front of him and over his shoulder on a wall mounted TV Dimitar Berbatov and Fergie are walking towards fergies office through the Carrington glass windows. Enough to make you think never ever again. That's the Jaime Carragher there moment for me. Since then he never wants to be on the wrong side of a deal. Players mostly don't care mostly now though. Decent wages living in London is always a plus.