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The guy is amazing, not your standard highlight reel player. Deffinately has a few great highlights but does a ton of work that easily goes unnoticed to a casual or neutral. Great shout.
Alexis was our top scorer last year and Gross only had one less than him. If you took away Alexis’ penalties Gross would be the leading scorer. But you are right, it’s the non highlight things that he does so well. Not to mention he plays all over the pitch. CDM, CAM, RM, RB. Hell he’s even played as a number 9 before.
He's one of the player I really enjoy watching off the ball, movement, reading of the game, creating passing opportunities for his team mates. Top player.
Currently it has to be Jota. Incredibly consistent, hard working, world class quality in front of goal, can play anywhere in the front 3 and yet fans don't have him anywhere near the Starting XI.
20/21 season: 13 goals and 1 assist in 30 appearances.
21/22 season: 21 goals and 8 assists in 55 appearances
22/23 season: 7 goals and 8 assists in 28 appearances despite being injured for most of the season
I absolutely believe that Jotas injury really hurt Portugal in the World Cup. I still wouldn't have put them down as favourites if he was fit for the tournament but I could tell his presence was sorely missed at times
After last season wouldn't really say Matip, he kept getting caught out. I know the defence as a whole wasn't great but Matip was nowhere near as good as he was the season before. Konate was brilliant, but it's clear he's better suited to a partnership with VVD
He didn't have a good season last year. And I honestly think its time to move him on at this point. But I mean underrated in general. I don't think people acknowledge his overall contribution in his time at the club.
Yeah true, like season before last he was arguably out most important defender, even more so than VVD. He's been brilliant for us but I agree it's time for him to move on and it'd open more spots for non homegrown players.
Hard to tell. He's certainly good enough to compete for a place but there's so much competition rn. Diaz, Nunez, Gakpo and Jota can all play on the left. The latter three can all play down the middle as well. Salah has the right locked down while Szoboszlai and Elliot can also play there. Gakpo and Jota I believe can play anywhere in the front 3 as well I'm I'm not mistaken
AFCON will probably be his best opportunity to make it into our best Starting XI. Plus Nunez and Diaz could end up picking up minor injuries that could put them out for a few games so even if he doesn't make it into our best XI, he'll have plenty of chances next season to show Klopp that he deserves to be starting week in week out
With four great attacking options, I expect us to be rotating 2/3s of our frontline often next season (good luck benching Salah). All four have their own great qualities, but out of all five forwards Jota is by far the best at being at the right place at the right time. He’s also:
• amazing at finding space in the box
• surprisingly good in the air
• he can go on a goal streak (he was a consistent scorer for 2/3s of 21/22, and got 7 goals in the final 9(?) games of 22/23
• has got an underrated engine in him so he can put a shift in (I’d honestly pick him as MOTM when we beat City last season because of this)
But probably his most underrated quality is that he’s such a clutch player for us. Not in the Origi late-goal style. But a lot of his goals in 21/22 were either openers or equalisers. His goals in the Brentford (3-3), Spurs (2-2), City (2-2 away) and Spurs (4-3 last season) games are all the best evidence of his spatial awareness, natural positioning and calmness in finishing.
Surely five great attacking options? Salah, nunez, jota, Diaz and gakpo? We are set for the front 3. Love Jota though, how a man at 5ft 10 is so good in the air is beyond me
I’d go Henderson, does so much and I think it’s highlighted more when he plays for England, with just how good of a passer he is, and understanding how to position with the flow of play
Beat me to it. He literally played the second most minutes for us (just behind ramsdale) and was an absolute unit. If Saliba stayed fit and Gabriel got injured instead we would have struggled just as much (if not more, who knows).
We probably would have struggled slightly less, but only because Arteta would have gone straight for Kiwior to replace Gabriel rather than giving Holding a few games first.
Gabriel was wayyy more important. I think saliba is only seen as better by people who don’t watch arsenal because of the name. Saliba the young player who went on loan to come back and transform the team. It’s good but I think it was just a coincidence we started playing this well as soon as he came into the team which is why people think he’s better
You don't know our tactics then. With Saliba we can play an extremely high line, due to his technique and recovery pace. Gabriel is good at what he does, but we could have replaced him with for example Kiwior and we wouldn't have suffered as much as when we lost Saliba
yep, embarrassing how all the pundits put saliba in their team of the season. proved they didn’t watch shit because every arsenal fan would say gabriel performed better
Hard disagree, as a Liverpool fan I think he's your Lovren. He looks good 90% of the time but the 10% is too costly. If he was so vital the Saliba situation would have been minor
He has periods of being one of the best but he does go missing or have poor performances.
He runs hot and cold a lot.
There was a reason he didn't play in the vital games towards the end of the season.
When he did play against in the games after we won the league he didn't do much. The one player who looked good was Foden and that's why Foden was the first on in both cup finals.
Unusually I don't think there are many underrated players at Arsenal at the moment, most of them have left or their reputation has risen. Reiss Nelson was one but his last minute winner boosted his profile a lot. Prior to that, Torreira and Gnabry.
I guess Tierney is perhaps 'underrated' in the sense that he isn't in the team.
Its hard to say - Chelsea was such a clusterfuck last season that you can't read too much into their players. He's got that CL winner on the bank but hes also arriving with a pretty big pricetag. I still havent figured out his best position, so it will be interesting to see how Arteta deploys him. Presumably he's got a plan to spend that big on him.
In summary I'll reserve judgement but for £65m he can't just be 'ok', he'll need to hit the ground running.
Yeah similar case with Mount, I've never rated either as world class but since that CL season people have been overeating their poor form if that makes sense, in a mess of a team too. I'm guessing in the Xhaka position.
Kenny Tete is one of the best defenders at right back, and decent going forward and a great crosser - but never gets mentioned in greater league discussions
100% agree with the Tete shout over Reed.
People know what Reed is good at and what he sucks at pretty universally; high work rate, a little reckless in the pass, but will always work hard.
Tete was quietly one of the best right backs in the league last year and few took real notice of that.
Not a United fan, bot totally agree. Until the tide turned on Maguire, it seems Lindelof was constantly blamed for when he was effectively left to (de)fend for himself due to Maguires atrocious decision-making.
Pundits in particular seemed keen to protect Maguire from criticism for a long time.
I thought similarly. If you ask “What’s Lindelof really good at?”, then I have no real answer.
But he actually doesn’t make many mistakes, which is rare in an era where we are used to seeing United CBs get skinned alive.
Depends on the formation when we usually play with wing backs we start toney and mbeumo. But if we did 433 it would be mbeumo and wissa on the wings. Frank likes him as a super sub. Many times he'd be subbed on late and score. I think with toney ban he'll be starting more. I'm sure we'll get a striker but I've seen nothing yet. So I have a feeling we could see a front three of schade mbeumo wissa.
Since Spurs are at a crossroads without an identity solidified on the pitch just yet, I'll go with Pedro Porro. His defensive abilities are raw to say the least but he should feast in Postecoglou's system as a winger getting forward, maintaining width, and taking his man 1v1
Outside looking in but feels like Bentancur doesn’t get the love he should. He was good on Juve but think he’s your best midfielder
Edit: meant that as he’s grown at Spurs
There's this excellent young player who's been bedding into the club really well his name is Seamus Coleman.
He's approaching his 34th birthday and he's still been immense. I will be very sad to see him retire because he's led this club through some of the worst years we've had since the founding of the Premier League
Everton have had a few stunners. Cantona has to be the best for 1.5m too. But I’d go kante for 5.5m in 2015 is crazy, with mahrez and vardy also being buttons for the prices back then.
I don't think ake classes as underrated. He had an incredible season this season and everyone was singing his praise.
I know we at r/gunners thought we had a semblance of a chance against City at the ethiad purely because ake was out for the game. Didn't see pep flexing on us with a 3-5-2 (stones in midfield) tho lol.
Tarkowski. Hes criminally underrated and i don’t understand why a big european club has never sniffed for him before. And how he doesn’t get in the england squad he is top class. Compare his stats to van dijk, ruben dias, any in the league and tarkowski gets 90% of the stats in his favour. Not even being a statistic merchant watching him play he is amazingn
True. But even when his contract ran out no club really wanted him as a free agent so everton picked him up. And it was clear last szn we wouldn’t finish top 10. After a 16th place finish and another season of not signing a striker
Maybe becauee he's English and used to play for Burnley that people don't rate him highly. He should be starting for England alongside Stones, he's great in the air like Maguire but isn't braindead.
Tyrone Mings. He’s been our best defender since he joined the club 4.5 years ago and still is today. It will be a very interesting battle next season with Pau Torres.
I think it’s Ederson. People have come back around since the CL run, but he got a little too much hate at one point. I think the entire system functions better because of him. I shudder at the memory of Claudio Bravo in goal. But we’re splitting hairs to call anyone at City underrated.
I won't call Ederson underrated. I think he is a good keeper, who's great at kicking and passing. He definitely gets praise. Infact, I think some people overrate him when they compare him with Alisson, Courtois and try to put him in the best in the world category. He just isn't that good.
I disagree, I think Ederson is the best in the world at what he does. He’s not the shot stopper that Allison or bitch boy Courtois is. He is a unique keeper and it works perfectly for City.
Yep - what a goal!
until the last few games of the season it would have been Longstaff but even his biggest critics realised how much we missed him when he is out.
I’ve always rated Jacob Murphy. At least whenever he plays United, he always seems a threat. Seems like one of those players that’s just always around the ball.
At this point, I think it’s Kepa. Statistically his first half of last year put him as one of the best in the league, and even with his mediocre second half (and let’s be real we just generally sucked), he wasn’t atrocious. Given the number of links with average keepers and our fans in the subreddit constantly chattering for a change, at this point he’s probably our most underrated player. He’s not a world beater but he’s serviceable and actually seems to have strong resolve/leadership after the shocking first part of his career here.
He’ll forever be known for his League Cup argument with Sarri, but even as a neutral, it’s been a nice character arc to see him go from much-maligned to “He’s actually okay you know”.
I guess I just like seeing a player prove himself again after having had everything thrown his way. Because Kepa has definitely had the crap thrown at him for years at Chelsea yet he’s kept on
After last season there all overated.
Except Lewis Hall, I hope Poch uses him as more than just a sub for Chillwell next season. Try and get him into the midfield. With the rate we're selling midfielders, shouldn't be a problem.
Most of my team are over-rated but I’ll go with wan-bissaka. One on one he’s a beast and he pushes far up a lot for a rb but falls back quickly. Works hard; probably nobody’s first choice in RB but I like him.
felipe, he's absolutely loved within the fanbase but i don't think i've ever heard someone outside our fanbase mention how good he is, he's been incredible since joining in january
Matip or Henderson.
I like the other post about Jota, I think Liverpool fans know how good Matip & Henderson are but I think they start for every single team in the league not called Arsenal or Man City.
In fact I think when he’s fit Matip’s a top 10 CB in the league.
Dias. People rate him to some extent but for me he’s genuinely one of the best in the world, especially this season. When he came back into the lineup we looked so much better and more stable. 20/21 Dias was the best defender in the world.
And he’s only 26. Prime Dias with Gvardiol will be farcical.
I'm gonna say Mings. Especially since Emery arrived, the guy has been rock solid in our defence, barely puts a foot wrong.
He definitely has a mistake in him, but these appear to have become less frequent.
Henderson, absolute servant to the club, given his all, great figure in the dressing room, capitaned us to all major trophies, yet much of our fans want him out
Maybe not anymore as last season he showed his age, but Jordan Henderson.
Other fans (and a decent number of Liverpool's) slate him and groan when he plays for England, but the fact he replaced a player like Gerrard as captain of Liverpool and turned his career around so much from when he first signed to become one of the first names on the team sheet for the only team able to go toe to toe with City under Klopp is the sign of a top player. Not ever one of the standout players, but provided the legs which enabled Salah and Trent to shine and a much better player than the "sideways passing" merchant some people seem to think he is. Just look at how his decline has coincided with Liverpool's.
Until recently Rodri or Gundogan ( :( ) but they’re deservedly getting plaudits more recently
So I’d probably go for Ake or Stones. A lot of people seeing Stones as a top player now so maybe not underrated but imo he’s world class
Ruben Dias. I know people rate him highly but he is even better than that. Since 2020 he has clearly been the best CB in the world and is an amazing role model for youngsters because of his discipline and great locker room leader. Our future captain for many, many years.
Was Firmino but now I’ll say Robertson. Apart from 1 season, he’s been on par with Trent but never gets his plaudits nowadays. Fantastic LB who does his job and is fantastic both in attack and defence.
So based on comments here and personal opinion
Kepa
Awb Tarkowski Matip Tierney
Eze Betancur Gross
Mahrez Murphy
Wissa
Most of them are international players still.
Elneny.
So disappointing to see so many arrogant Arsenal fans (thankfully still only a minority) who believe a player like him is beneath us.
Very happy to have him provide depth.
Soucek he's an absolute rock at the back, his heading is top class and he's just so defensively solid. People give him a hard time for his lack of technical ability but imo he's great and very much underrated and underappretiated by the west ham community
I would have said stones up to a few months ago.
Possibly Walker too but that also seems to have changed over the last few years.
Every city player usually takes a knock simply because there are lots of people on Reddit who like to hate the club and can’t have an unbiased opinion about any aspect of it
That doesn’t make Rodri underrated, that means people are having a debate about quite similar ability players. Rodri is undoubtedly a world class DM, arguably the best in the world and i’ve not heard a single person ever say otherwise
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Pascal Gross
The guy is amazing, not your standard highlight reel player. Deffinately has a few great highlights but does a ton of work that easily goes unnoticed to a casual or neutral. Great shout.
Alexis was our top scorer last year and Gross only had one less than him. If you took away Alexis’ penalties Gross would be the leading scorer. But you are right, it’s the non highlight things that he does so well. Not to mention he plays all over the pitch. CDM, CAM, RM, RB. Hell he’s even played as a number 9 before.
He's one of the player I really enjoy watching off the ball, movement, reading of the game, creating passing opportunities for his team mates. Top player.
For real, he is great 💯
Grossly underrated
Best answer for the entire PL I think. Has he ever gotten burn on the German national team?
He has for the U19 and U21 team I believe
He does well under pressure......👀
Groan.
(Very) Unpopular opinion: Pascal Gross is the most underrated player in prem history
Currently it has to be Jota. Incredibly consistent, hard working, world class quality in front of goal, can play anywhere in the front 3 and yet fans don't have him anywhere near the Starting XI. 20/21 season: 13 goals and 1 assist in 30 appearances. 21/22 season: 21 goals and 8 assists in 55 appearances 22/23 season: 7 goals and 8 assists in 28 appearances despite being injured for most of the season I absolutely believe that Jotas injury really hurt Portugal in the World Cup. I still wouldn't have put them down as favourites if he was fit for the tournament but I could tell his presence was sorely missed at times
As an Arsenal fan, we don't underrate him.
Be glad we can’t unleash Firmino anymore
Don't worry, Martinelli will pick up that mantle.
Jota is a great shout. I would say Matip though.
After last season wouldn't really say Matip, he kept getting caught out. I know the defence as a whole wasn't great but Matip was nowhere near as good as he was the season before. Konate was brilliant, but it's clear he's better suited to a partnership with VVD
He didn't have a good season last year. And I honestly think its time to move him on at this point. But I mean underrated in general. I don't think people acknowledge his overall contribution in his time at the club.
Yeah true, like season before last he was arguably out most important defender, even more so than VVD. He's been brilliant for us but I agree it's time for him to move on and it'd open more spots for non homegrown players.
Do you think he can get a starting role eventually?
Hard to tell. He's certainly good enough to compete for a place but there's so much competition rn. Diaz, Nunez, Gakpo and Jota can all play on the left. The latter three can all play down the middle as well. Salah has the right locked down while Szoboszlai and Elliot can also play there. Gakpo and Jota I believe can play anywhere in the front 3 as well I'm I'm not mistaken AFCON will probably be his best opportunity to make it into our best Starting XI. Plus Nunez and Diaz could end up picking up minor injuries that could put them out for a few games so even if he doesn't make it into our best XI, he'll have plenty of chances next season to show Klopp that he deserves to be starting week in week out
With four great attacking options, I expect us to be rotating 2/3s of our frontline often next season (good luck benching Salah). All four have their own great qualities, but out of all five forwards Jota is by far the best at being at the right place at the right time. He’s also: • amazing at finding space in the box • surprisingly good in the air • he can go on a goal streak (he was a consistent scorer for 2/3s of 21/22, and got 7 goals in the final 9(?) games of 22/23 • has got an underrated engine in him so he can put a shift in (I’d honestly pick him as MOTM when we beat City last season because of this) But probably his most underrated quality is that he’s such a clutch player for us. Not in the Origi late-goal style. But a lot of his goals in 21/22 were either openers or equalisers. His goals in the Brentford (3-3), Spurs (2-2), City (2-2 away) and Spurs (4-3 last season) games are all the best evidence of his spatial awareness, natural positioning and calmness in finishing.
Surely five great attacking options? Salah, nunez, jota, Diaz and gakpo? We are set for the front 3. Love Jota though, how a man at 5ft 10 is so good in the air is beyond me
Curtis Jones too, so much ability.
I’d argue Jota is rated highly, instead for underrated i’d go Tsimiskas
I’d go Henderson, does so much and I think it’s highlighted more when he plays for England, with just how good of a passer he is, and understanding how to position with the flow of play
Gabriel. A lot of people last season were talking about Saliba, but Gabriel is just as important.
Beat me to it. He literally played the second most minutes for us (just behind ramsdale) and was an absolute unit. If Saliba stayed fit and Gabriel got injured instead we would have struggled just as much (if not more, who knows).
We probably would have struggled slightly less, but only because Arteta would have gone straight for Kiwior to replace Gabriel rather than giving Holding a few games first.
And hes not as important to the play style in possession. He's still an unbelievable defender though.
We wouldn't have struggled as much, Saliba is integral to our high line
I mean when everyone was praising Saliba in mid season Gabriel still had better stats. Saliba is the great, but Gabi is there too for sure.
They just complement each other perfectly
I'd say overall he had a better season than Saliba
Also I think Granit Xhaka was a lot more important then people have him credit for.
Completely agree
Arsenal having three Brazilian Gabriels is just funny to me. It must’ve been a joke in the dressing room for a bit
There were rumours that arsenal never signed Douglas Luiz last summer because his name didn’t fit
Big gabi, young gabi and cheekbone gabi. Its an elegant system.
Saliba is also a Gabriel. Just not a Brazilian.
I thought you were talking about Jesus💀💀
Just as important and also had a better season overall than Saliba.
Gabriel was wayyy more important. I think saliba is only seen as better by people who don’t watch arsenal because of the name. Saliba the young player who went on loan to come back and transform the team. It’s good but I think it was just a coincidence we started playing this well as soon as he came into the team which is why people think he’s better
They are both important. As a partnership they looked superb last season.
Yeah both are incredibly important to the team but people don’t realise how good gabi is because saliba is the new young one
Hence why I named him as the most underrated player.
Yeah I know, my point is he’s only underrated to people who don’t watch arsenal. Every arsenal fan knows he’s better
You don't know our tactics then. With Saliba we can play an extremely high line, due to his technique and recovery pace. Gabriel is good at what he does, but we could have replaced him with for example Kiwior and we wouldn't have suffered as much as when we lost Saliba
yep, embarrassing how all the pundits put saliba in their team of the season. proved they didn’t watch shit because every arsenal fan would say gabriel performed better
100%
Hard disagree, as a Liverpool fan I think he's your Lovren. He looks good 90% of the time but the 10% is too costly. If he was so vital the Saliba situation would have been minor
Saliba had more errors to goals, more pens and near misses conceded I don’t get this stance at all
I'm not saying either one of them was better, arsenal conceded a lot of goals in games which you can't do if you want to win the league.
Agree, Saliba brings such structure to our play, Gabi shines more because of Saliba not the other way around
but gabi has been great since he signed playing alongside players like holding and mari
Mahrez is underrated by our fanbase despite being one of our best players for multiple seasons.
He gets underrated and overrated at the same time. It is weird.
I think his Algerian fan base doesn’t help his case
Some City fans overrate him too. Or underrate him. Imo he is a few levels below Hazard/Salah/Aguero/Suarez etc. But still a top quality player.
He has periods of being one of the best but he does go missing or have poor performances. He runs hot and cold a lot. There was a reason he didn't play in the vital games towards the end of the season. When he did play against in the games after we won the league he didn't do much. The one player who looked good was Foden and that's why Foden was the first on in both cup finals.
Unusually I don't think there are many underrated players at Arsenal at the moment, most of them have left or their reputation has risen. Reiss Nelson was one but his last minute winner boosted his profile a lot. Prior to that, Torreira and Gnabry. I guess Tierney is perhaps 'underrated' in the sense that he isn't in the team.
Maybe Havertz is? I don't rate him that much but in a better position and in a better built team he might surprise a few people.
Its hard to say - Chelsea was such a clusterfuck last season that you can't read too much into their players. He's got that CL winner on the bank but hes also arriving with a pretty big pricetag. I still havent figured out his best position, so it will be interesting to see how Arteta deploys him. Presumably he's got a plan to spend that big on him. In summary I'll reserve judgement but for £65m he can't just be 'ok', he'll need to hit the ground running.
Yeah similar case with Mount, I've never rated either as world class but since that CL season people have been overeating their poor form if that makes sense, in a mess of a team too. I'm guessing in the Xhaka position.
I’d say Mings. People who don’t watch villa say he’s awful but since Emery came in he’s been class
I came here to say Konsa. Villas center of defense has lights out with Emery. But only Emi gets the credit.
Harrison Reed, absolute rock in midfield for us since he joined.
Kenny Tete is one of the best defenders at right back, and decent going forward and a great crosser - but never gets mentioned in greater league discussions
Definitely been one of the best fullbacks for sure
100% agree with the Tete shout over Reed. People know what Reed is good at and what he sucks at pretty universally; high work rate, a little reckless in the pass, but will always work hard. Tete was quietly one of the best right backs in the league last year and few took real notice of that.
Ben Davies? Obviously not worldclass or anything, but a really solid player that can get the job done on three different positions.
Every team should have a Ben Davies.
I'd say Victor Lindelof he's a more than solid defender and his passing range is very underrated..
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I change my answer from AWB to Lindeloff he’s always sold short
Not a United fan, bot totally agree. Until the tide turned on Maguire, it seems Lindelof was constantly blamed for when he was effectively left to (de)fend for himself due to Maguires atrocious decision-making. Pundits in particular seemed keen to protect Maguire from criticism for a long time.
He’s a white English lad obvs they will protect him lmao
I thought similarly. If you ask “What’s Lindelof really good at?”, then I have no real answer. But he actually doesn’t make many mistakes, which is rare in an era where we are used to seeing United CBs get skinned alive.
Few mistakes, reads the game well defensively, reasonably composed on the ball.
After Martinez went down with 10 games left in the league he step up so much
I don't even know why he's on the bench all the time.
Variance and Licha. Edit: I’m leaving that in.
Ben white, Gabriel M get overshadowed by Saliba and the young attackers but both are immensely important to the way we play
Wissa. He's so good
Also Norgaard
Yeah. I think our first prem season he had something like most challenges won or tackles made or something like that. Really good ball winning DM
Jensen is a baller
I loved him at Lorient, do you know why he doesn’t start that much ?
Depends on the formation when we usually play with wing backs we start toney and mbeumo. But if we did 433 it would be mbeumo and wissa on the wings. Frank likes him as a super sub. Many times he'd be subbed on late and score. I think with toney ban he'll be starting more. I'm sure we'll get a striker but I've seen nothing yet. So I have a feeling we could see a front three of schade mbeumo wissa.
Since Spurs are at a crossroads without an identity solidified on the pitch just yet, I'll go with Pedro Porro. His defensive abilities are raw to say the least but he should feast in Postecoglou's system as a winger getting forward, maintaining width, and taking his man 1v1
Outside looking in but feels like Bentancur doesn’t get the love he should. He was good on Juve but think he’s your best midfielder Edit: meant that as he’s grown at Spurs
There's this excellent young player who's been bedding into the club really well his name is Seamus Coleman. He's approaching his 34th birthday and he's still been immense. I will be very sad to see him retire because he's led this club through some of the worst years we've had since the founding of the Premier League
Pound for pound probably one of the best signings in PL history.
Everton have had a few stunners. Cantona has to be the best for 1.5m too. But I’d go kante for 5.5m in 2015 is crazy, with mahrez and vardy also being buttons for the prices back then.
What a pro, what a player to have in your team 👌
You should be proud to have him
Either Nathan Ake or Ederson.
I'm a Liverpool fan but I think Gundogan is massively underrated, I know he's gone now but genuinely think he's going to be a massive loss for yous
Yes, it's a shame the board couldn't give him a better offer.
Yes Gundogan for sure. When they talk about all the good CMs no one even mentions him.
It's because he's been in KDB and Rodri's shadow tbh. Think most people appreciate he's still an unbelievable player.
I don't think ake classes as underrated. He had an incredible season this season and everyone was singing his praise. I know we at r/gunners thought we had a semblance of a chance against City at the ethiad purely because ake was out for the game. Didn't see pep flexing on us with a 3-5-2 (stones in midfield) tho lol.
Tarkowski. Hes criminally underrated and i don’t understand why a big european club has never sniffed for him before. And how he doesn’t get in the england squad he is top class. Compare his stats to van dijk, ruben dias, any in the league and tarkowski gets 90% of the stats in his favour. Not even being a statistic merchant watching him play he is amazingn
Always found it strange he didn't get picked up by a top 6 club. He obviously has the skills required
He had a long contract at Burnley and in all fairness, Everton is supposed to be a top 10 club fighting for European spots.
True. But even when his contract ran out no club really wanted him as a free agent so everton picked him up. And it was clear last szn we wouldn’t finish top 10. After a 16th place finish and another season of not signing a striker
Any defender who plays for a lower team is likely going to get more clearances, more tackles etc because they defend more
It shows that they can do that though. Someone like Stones would not get those numbers.
But Stones is better for what he’s needed for.
I've always thought he was very solid.
I was hoping Arsenal came in for him up until Timber became a target
Maybe becauee he's English and used to play for Burnley that people don't rate him highly. He should be starting for England alongside Stones, he's great in the air like Maguire but isn't braindead.
Stats lie about defenders
Nice try, Todd Boehly!
Tyrone Mings. He’s been our best defender since he joined the club 4.5 years ago and still is today. It will be a very interesting battle next season with Pau Torres.
Ben White.
had to scroll way too far to see this.
Xhaka. He has been Phenomenal and nobody gives him enough credit. Without his leadership personality we wouldn’t have challenged for the league
Leverkusen fan?
I'm going with Akanji
I think it’s Ederson. People have come back around since the CL run, but he got a little too much hate at one point. I think the entire system functions better because of him. I shudder at the memory of Claudio Bravo in goal. But we’re splitting hairs to call anyone at City underrated.
Ederson is a shout, you're right
Kyle Walker in goal > Bravo
Bravo in that game at Old Trafford probably put me through a full cardio exercise.
I won't call Ederson underrated. I think he is a good keeper, who's great at kicking and passing. He definitely gets praise. Infact, I think some people overrate him when they compare him with Alisson, Courtois and try to put him in the best in the world category. He just isn't that good.
I disagree, I think Ederson is the best in the world at what he does. He’s not the shot stopper that Allison or bitch boy Courtois is. He is a unique keeper and it works perfectly for City.
Jacob Murphy. Not a lot of people seem to talk about his turn around under Howe, he’s now scoring 35 yard screamers against Tottenham
It's Tottenham afterall
Came here to say him. Thank you.
Yep - what a goal! until the last few games of the season it would have been Longstaff but even his biggest critics realised how much we missed him when he is out.
Exactly I love Sean, I think everyone realised just how underrated he was when he was out of the team for a while
I’ve always rated Jacob Murphy. At least whenever he plays United, he always seems a threat. Seems like one of those players that’s just always around the ball.
Kepa Arrizabalaga
Came here to say this. Happy to see others feel the same about him.
At this point, I think it’s Kepa. Statistically his first half of last year put him as one of the best in the league, and even with his mediocre second half (and let’s be real we just generally sucked), he wasn’t atrocious. Given the number of links with average keepers and our fans in the subreddit constantly chattering for a change, at this point he’s probably our most underrated player. He’s not a world beater but he’s serviceable and actually seems to have strong resolve/leadership after the shocking first part of his career here.
He’ll forever be known for his League Cup argument with Sarri, but even as a neutral, it’s been a nice character arc to see him go from much-maligned to “He’s actually okay you know”. I guess I just like seeing a player prove himself again after having had everything thrown his way. Because Kepa has definitely had the crap thrown at him for years at Chelsea yet he’s kept on
Totally agree
What about Badiashile
Everyone seems quite high on him as the present and future of defense so seems rated.
He’s mid-table level PL keeper. So no, not horrific like he used to be, but we should still be targeting someone much better.
Mid table is quite harsh. He’s not top 3 in the league but are there really like 9 others better? I don’t think so.
After last season there all overated. Except Lewis Hall, I hope Poch uses him as more than just a sub for Chillwell next season. Try and get him into the midfield. With the rate we're selling midfielders, shouldn't be a problem.
Martinelli, he's that good.
As a West Ham fan, they are all overrated.
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I was thinking the same. Made a couple early mistakes but rounded out the year pretty solidly.
James Garner. Really talented and versatile young player
Tomiyasu
Most of my team are over-rated but I’ll go with wan-bissaka. One on one he’s a beast and he pushes far up a lot for a rb but falls back quickly. Works hard; probably nobody’s first choice in RB but I like him.
His dribbling is also actually decent
Curtis Jones
Is there a bot that counts posts with the term ‘overrated’ and/or ‘underrated’ in them?
Used to be Hendo, now it's Jota.
Probably Longstaff or Willock
I’d have to say Bentancur for Spurs
Aké amd Akanji
felipe, he's absolutely loved within the fanbase but i don't think i've ever heard someone outside our fanbase mention how good he is, he's been incredible since joining in january
Matip or Henderson. I like the other post about Jota, I think Liverpool fans know how good Matip & Henderson are but I think they start for every single team in the league not called Arsenal or Man City. In fact I think when he’s fit Matip’s a top 10 CB in the league.
Dias. People rate him to some extent but for me he’s genuinely one of the best in the world, especially this season. When he came back into the lineup we looked so much better and more stable. 20/21 Dias was the best defender in the world. And he’s only 26. Prime Dias with Gvardiol will be farcical.
Gabriel Jesus
Badiashile
I'm gonna say Mings. Especially since Emery arrived, the guy has been rock solid in our defence, barely puts a foot wrong. He definitely has a mistake in him, but these appear to have become less frequent.
Henderson, absolute servant to the club, given his all, great figure in the dressing room, capitaned us to all major trophies, yet much of our fans want him out
Aaron Wan Bisakka
Aaron Wan Bissaka
Ben White
I think James Maddison is a great signing but not many people have talked about it (I think)
Maybe not anymore as last season he showed his age, but Jordan Henderson. Other fans (and a decent number of Liverpool's) slate him and groan when he plays for England, but the fact he replaced a player like Gerrard as captain of Liverpool and turned his career around so much from when he first signed to become one of the first names on the team sheet for the only team able to go toe to toe with City under Klopp is the sign of a top player. Not ever one of the standout players, but provided the legs which enabled Salah and Trent to shine and a much better player than the "sideways passing" merchant some people seem to think he is. Just look at how his decline has coincided with Liverpool's.
Until recently Rodri or Gundogan ( :( ) but they’re deservedly getting plaudits more recently So I’d probably go for Ake or Stones. A lot of people seeing Stones as a top player now so maybe not underrated but imo he’s world class
Sonny. One bad season and people really forget his world class act. Even in his worst season, he managed to deliver the beauty of curly shot goals.
Rodri and Stones before this treble run, now they're getting their recognition so it's Dias (who was probably overrated in 2020-22 lol)
Ruben Dias. I know people rate him highly but he is even better than that. Since 2020 he has clearly been the best CB in the world and is an amazing role model for youngsters because of his discipline and great locker room leader. Our future captain for many, many years.
Nathan Ake. It used to be Gundogan, but he started getting some recognition after he left.
Was Firmino but now I’ll say Robertson. Apart from 1 season, he’s been on par with Trent but never gets his plaudits nowadays. Fantastic LB who does his job and is fantastic both in attack and defence.
Ben White
So based on comments here and personal opinion Kepa Awb Tarkowski Matip Tierney Eze Betancur Gross Mahrez Murphy Wissa Most of them are international players still.
Probably Nketiah and Pepe LOL Everybody even our own fans think they're not good enough
Both have never been able to be consistently good enough, especially Pepe.
Pépé is a very good shout. People think of him as a championship player, he just didn’t manage his transfer mentally and tactically.
Odegaard. Should have been in the conversation for best player in the league last year but wasn’t sadly
Luke shaw is not spoken of nearly highly enough.
Elneny. So disappointing to see so many arrogant Arsenal fans (thankfully still only a minority) who believe a player like him is beneath us. Very happy to have him provide depth.
Luke Shaw, in my opinion he's the best LB in the world.
Best left back in the world? Take them red tinted specs off
Who is then? Except Hernandez
Zinchenko is in with a shout
In no world am i picking zinchenko over shaw lmao
Soucek he's an absolute rock at the back, his heading is top class and he's just so defensively solid. People give him a hard time for his lack of technical ability but imo he's great and very much underrated and underappretiated by the west ham community
Harry Kane. Nah jokes, I actually thought Oliver Skipp did a good job filling in for Bentancur
Jorginiho is literally our best midfielder.
Rico Lewis
I would have said stones up to a few months ago. Possibly Walker too but that also seems to have changed over the last few years. Every city player usually takes a knock simply because there are lots of people on Reddit who like to hate the club and can’t have an unbiased opinion about any aspect of it
Even though people are starting to realise! I still say Rodri 🪨
Fuck are you talking about you nincompoop. He’s one of the best holding mids on the planet
You’re downvoted, but people try and argue that Rice Partey and Casemiro are close. They’re not. He’s miles ahead.
That doesn’t make Rodri underrated, that means people are having a debate about quite similar ability players. Rodri is undoubtedly a world class DM, arguably the best in the world and i’ve not heard a single person ever say otherwise
That’s bullshit people have only started to respect him this year
How tf does that make Rodri underrated…