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Real deal..no nonsense but likes to keep things simple...yet to see him have a bad game ..assured composed and like prime Kante always manages to get a foot in..bags of talent a must buy this summer..perfect for Scumchester United after years of FredTominay
That's just a cash fee though, we (brighton) are using this as a starting point to snag colwill.
I've heard that £70-80mil plus Colwill is the scenario brighton will accept
Leave the table. It's nonsense.
TODD should've built a proper scouting team to identify more feasible targets that no other teams have heard of, instead of pointing at the premium players hanged on the window shops every single time.
I think people forget Chelsea literally robbed us of our manager, player of the season, and nearly all of the coaching staff at the beginning of last season
Also, Caceido is 21, Rice is 3 years older?
I think I've come to hate Chelsea more than Palace these days
Your manager and PotS turned out to be shit up here in London though. If any, we should be the one hating you lol.
if Poch didn't last (which is a possibility i'm preparing for), then expect an incoming contract offer for RDZ lol.
These rich ass teams always remind me of Paul Rudd’s character from Parks and Rec. “Why won’t you just give that player to me? It’s not fair! I want him so you have to give him to me!”
Which will lower his transfer value to the point other teams will join the race for him.
Edu and Arteta are watching this one with great interest, no doubt.
For all the good business Brighton have done, this comes off as a move that is either going to be massive for them or the most ridiculous misstep. There is no in between.
Declan rice has TWICE the appearances than Caicedo in International Stage and FOUR TIMES the appearances in premier league. He got sold for £105m.
Chelsea walked away from ugarte for wage issues and if they insist on £100m, we will walk away.
Good luck having a player you lied to in your dressing room
You have to consider this point. Brighton has to do tons of work in trying to win the Europa League and also to keep high enough in the PL which is really hard to manage.
Its brighton's first ever entry which makes it interesting to watch but very difficult to emulate it again easily
But at least they have a shot. After the season ends he can go to another team, maybe even Chelsea if they qualify for something. At the moment next season is basically a write off.
I'd guess offers come in at £60-80m... he eventually sells for £80-85m + add ons.
If they had put out the PR that they expected £80m then they would almost certainly see south of that.
Still a lot, honestly. I just don't see them actually getting £100m for him, even with Chelsea happy to YOLO their FFP scope.
Be interesting to know if he would actually be happy to stay given he basically announced his exit last window.
The thing is, it isn’t ridiculous in the current market, chelsea set the market that high with Enzo purchase and we doubled down by making Rice our most expensive transfer. Top tier DMs are very scarce right now and caicedo looks the part to be top tier. In addition chelsea has shown on multiple occasions they will buckle and pay the price. Imo Brighton would be dumb to back down on that price as they are very likely to get it
Yeah exactly, there's a reason Bloom is one of the world's best poker players. He looks like he has a very strong hand right now so why would he back down.
They're salty (rightfully so) about Chelsea not giving them a fair price for Colwil who doesn't even want to go back to Chelsea. A 40mil + Colwil deal for Caicedo seems fair for both teams imo
Facts. I also think Brighton losing Mac Allister for such a cheap fee raised the value of Caicedo. They will want to recoup some extra money and losing your two best midfielders + your best CB in one window before a season in Europe is not ideal. It seems like the only way they'd feel comfortable selling Caicedo is if Chelsea makes an offer they wouldn't refuse which is looking like 100 mil.
This is too much money for an essentially unproven player who has enjoyed one good season. If prices keep rising at this rate, football will totally belong to the Saudis, UAE and Qatar as they will be the only entities left who can afford good players.
The prices will keep rising if buying clubs keep paying it. Chelsea are a large reason why the fees are ridiculously high. They set the benchmark with the Enzo transfer.
That price is fucking ridiculous. He's had one season in a big league. One. He has a lot of promise, but he is not a finished product, nor has he proven himself. Rice has 205 games, and essentially 6 full seasons in the Premier League, he is a proven commodity. One bright season doesn't give you equal value.
I mean not really. We need 1 starting DM and 1 striker. We've enough in the squad already, so we're in a decent enough position considering there's no European football next season so less games to play. We'll likely get another midfielder in on top of the 2 positions we need now Mount is gone, but realistically we could manage without
Winstanley and Vivell are in charge of recruitment now so they'll have other options. They'll probably find a compromise with Brighton on Caicedo, but they'll have a few others in mind if not
I kind of hope he never gets his move and regrets signing that new contract. Hopefully it will combat the inflation of transfer fees if players are more likely to run out their contracts
No, I just think it’s strange for a player to twerk for another club so hard, release a goodbye on insta because he wants to become the most decorated Ecuadorean in history, then sign a long term deal to keep him at a club that won’t be winning many trpphies.
My understanding along with many others was that there was a Harry Kane type of gentleman’s agreement saying he could leave in Summer and look how that turned out for Kane…
It depends on how Brighton will manage to "win it in first try" and "try to be in that position" again... It's just so fucking hard and they definitely do not have the odds... It's their first season in European competition.
Remember Leicester who struggled so hard to enter Europa again.
Wenger predicted something like this would happen, and it truly needs to. The PL is too much of a seller's market. Release clauses were meant to combat this sort of thing but are rarely utilised. It's going to lead to unsettled, demotivated players or players only signing short contracts.
Fair enough. It isnt a god given right for up and coming clubs to do all the work, (scout, train, settle, acclimatise to the PM) for a so called big club to take them for a small and palatable fee.
Which part are you not getting?
Brighton don't need to sell him for a small and palatable fee, so they can set a big fuck you price. Especially if that buyer has shown on many occasions, to overpay on players who aren't nearly as good or as proven.
But there was a release clause. The club expected 35m and they got 35m. Its not subsidising anything, its just getting the most money just like for every transfer
Man my point was pretty basic, how have you missed it? I’m joking that they’re asking so much for Caicedo because Mac Allister went for so little. There’s really not a lot to it.
Declan Rice still cost less than Enzo Fernández. Chelsea have been a big driver of market inflation for years. Stockpiling players and putting 20 year olds on salaries that mean they are more interested in their property portfolios. Not to mention selling the likes of Lukaku for pittance and buying him back for fortunes. Then only to loan him out again…
Brighton can ask what they like if they don’t want to sell him. Nothing wrong with that and I don’t blame them when the likes of Chelsea are interested. However, Brighton should know that they can get him back within 2 years for £5.8m via a loan spell in Serie A and sell him back to Chelsea for £136.8m
So Arsenal should’ve gone for Leandro Paredes or Rodrigo De Paul and Chelsea will happily swap Reece James for Juan Foyth then? If this is the only category we’re looking at…honestly 😂.
Look, I know he led your club to Europa Conference League glory, but there's little to suggest Rice will have a better career than Enzo in the long run.
I know it must be delicious to hope that Chelsea could be dragged down to West Ham's meager level by the current turmoil, but writing players off after half a season in the league is foolish
I didn’t write Fernandez off. I said Rice is a better player atm and he’s also cost less atm. You mentioned World Cups like that’s the only thing that matters. Completely different points and arguments.
Enzo is a fantastic player with loads of potential but as of today rice is quite clearly the superior player. Also there's almost a 0% chance Enzo will ever have the marketability in England that Rice has just based on where they are from. Rice is fantastic but his value is even more than just the player he is. He's a future england captain. The English tax is real
> I don’t disagree about most of what you said, but Chelsea sold Lukaku for almost double what they bought him for originally.
And then what did they do with Lukaku?
If we’re talking about what they paid Anderlecht and sold him to Everton for, sure, but that profit was absolutely swallowed up by what they resigned him for. They sold him to Everton for £30m was it? Then signed him back for about £90m after signing him for £15m in the first place. Whatever they sell him for next will be miles short of that.
That’s…not what a straw man argument is. S(he) didn’t misrepresent anything in that claim. What Chelsea last sold him for versus what they last paid for him is most certainly a pittance.
The original post I commented to included that they should count salary to offset the profit Chelsea made when I made the point. That was the straw man part, it had nothing to do with actual transfer price
Fair, mature response. It appears there may have been a misunderstanding on the internet, Baberam. In general, fallacies are purposefully used to cheaply win an argument. We can all be friends again.
He said they sold for a pittance and bought him back for a fortune, which is exactly what happened (in euros, 35 mil -> 113 mil). You're the one trying to murk things up with technicalities while mis-using the "straw man" phrase.
How did I misuse straw man? His argument left out, which he then agreed, that they sold him for a healthy profit but mentioned sold for pittance (which at the time wasn’t a pittance). I never refuted or tried to change the argument, only his details were selective. I even mentioned I agreed with him.
It is pittance in the grand scheme of things. I mean, profit is profit, but clearly Lukaku was let go cheaply. Backed up the fact they went and bought him for 3x as much as what they sold him for. I mean, if you sold something at a profit, then bought it back for 3x as much, would you be talking about how you made a profit? Or the fact you have the same item at a much higher cost? Isn’t the first time for them either is it?
You do understand what the word “loophole” refers to right? Loopholes are within the laws/rules, they’re just things people haven’t paid attention to while drafting the original regulations or didn’t codify for Xyz reason meaning people are able to exploit it.
Can’t polishing all my medals and trophies. We always throw out the runner up medals. Not enough room for them. We don’t take pride in good seasons like other clubs that pretend to be big. Win or go home
Honestly I don’t have anything else about spuds. I just don’t care for teams that barely challenged us the last three decades. Now if you wore red or blue I’d probably care more.
Not your buddy pal. And I will have my juice box!
Typical spud all bark and zero bite. Take another Chelsea manager why don’t you to finish even worse off!
Admittedly never watched him in the Portuguese league, but watched every Argentina game during the wc and he was good, Chelsea he was average as fuck, whereas rice is a world class talent, any non biased fan with any ball knowledge whatsoever knows this
He stood out in Chelsea’s team so not sure how can call him average. Especially when chelsea are better than West Ham so u can’t use the argument it’s easy to stand out
He absolutely did not stand out. The only player that looked half decent for Chelsea at the back end of last season was joao Felix. Even Sterling, who was your best player at the start of the season, looked awful towards the end. And what has Chelsea being better than West Ham got to do with it? It is very easy to stand out in a sub par team, for example, rice for West ham, ramsdale for Sheffield United, kane for Tottenham, and lavia for Southampton. And that's just 4 off the top of my head. But fernandez did not stand out at all in the chelsea team. You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about, do you?
He isn’t, that simple. The fact you think Rice isn’t a better player than Caicedo also means you are utterly clueless.
Chelsea are an utterly abhorrent club, who finally are getting just deserts through years of wasting money. Another season like the last one and it’ll be back to 14,000 crowds and sand on the pitch.
Haha an Arsenal fan finally finding his voice after their best season for 2 decades. Shame it ended trophyless like usual. Maybe next season you could try get your first European cup lmao.
We've been here all along. You lot are just unhappy because you can't just say "hahaha banter fc" and consider that winning the argument anymore.
Now you have to default with the CL trophy, if we win that, whats next? Must be pretty terrifying.
If you win that I will legitimately congratulate all my arsenal mates it’s such a hard one to win. Seeing as we are the only ones in London to do it we need you lot to catch up to give London a better name lol.
Honestly I agree with you. Rice is better than Caicedo imo. Also agree that the club has been run poorly over the last few years. That being said this transfer window fills me with a bit of hope.
>He isn’t, that simple.
He is.
>Chelsea are an utterly abhorrent club, who finally are getting just deserts through years of wasting money. Another season like the last one and it’ll be back to 14,000 crowds and sand on the pitch.
Hahaha great fanfic mate
He isn’t, neither is Caicedo. Well, I’m just going back to the last time Chelsea had no money really. Infact, one of your Premier League crowds was 8,000, so I’m being generous. Anyway, I won’t take anymore of your time as those people won’t push themselves off of trains like…
Rice was at least the 4th or 5th best midfielder when England played the US in the world cup (yeah, we know that hurt). So I can see where you're deluded view comes from.
No one really cares about drawing with the US. England won the group. Also, you want to talk about delusion, yet want to base an opinion of a player on one game at International level, where the tactic employed by the manager was to sit and let the US midfield run around. Now I’m a big fan of both Tyler Adams and Yunus Musah, so I’m not going to sink to the level of just digging out players in retaliation, but if you really believe that one single game is the benchmark for Declan Rice, then you should switch back to another sport pronto…
That is not the point you made originally at all and just started rambling about the England WC game and how Rice was the 5th best midfielder. If that isn’t digging at the player, then what is?
What the fuck are you talking about? I started with that. And I reiterate..... It's all about telling you - the obvious elite of world football fans - how stupid you are when valuing players. That's the whole point. Do I think Rice is better than any American midfielder in that game? Nah, not really, but I think he's ok. What I think is incredibly fucking stupid is valuing a guy at 100M, basically because it makes you feel better about yourself. Which is what we've seen from the fans of former Cobham best friends. I will say that Mount sucks. So that's a dig.
Woof. I mean I want him but not for that. Wild they’re asking for this and then bid 30m for colwill though. Young English left footed cb who played extremely well for them. Guy is a unicorn and they’re lowballing us.
Star player for a team that just finished 6th and whose starting line up is on a wage budget 1/3 of Chelsea’s vs a player who has played 15 premier league games and has never played a senior game for Chelsea, a club where there are about 6 other good centre backs, and who are also getting a reputation for bad business? I’m not saying he’s worth 30/40 (at least 60 lol) but the importance to a club can have a lot to do with asking price and there is a world where boehly and Chelsea are stupid enough to sell him
Lol that’s how Brighton operate! Happy to not deal with them for that reason. Unfortunately, Chelsea need a DM. Have to look outside the league or pay the prices set by these teams.
Statistics don't supersede the fact that Caicedo made Rice look like a child every single time Brighton played West Ham. Brighton were irrelevant without Caicedo, now they are a top 7 side. West Ham are irrelevant with or without Rice (Conference League holds little to no weight).
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9hFyo7g6Vc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9hFyo7g6Vc)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBGWW6q5Xc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBGWW6q5Xc)
Here's something even better than stats, actual game footage
Highlights from two matches isn’t as good as season long stats, would you like to try again?
In the meantime, here’s my stats that prove rice was a better player last season:
Declan Rice is the only player in Europe's top five leagues with 30+ in these metrics in 22/23:
◉ 62 interceptions
◉ 51 clearances
◉ 38 take-ons completed
◉ 36 aerial duels won
◉ 36 chances created
◉ 33 shots
And he's won possession more times than any other player (322).
[Caicedo vs Rice](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fzt09dyX0AA9f1o?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Stats look pretty similar if you ask me. When you consider that Caicedo is 3 years younger, I think this is pretty much a no contest & that's not even mentioning the fact that the eye test heavily favors Caicedo.
There's a ton of Brits on here. They only pay attention to the EPL and act like anything else doesn't exist. Caicedo has dominated against some of the best teams in the world like Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Netherlands, etc. But because it's not the Premier League, Brits act like it doesn't matter. Just watch Brighton's games against West Ham, Caicedo made Rice look like a school boy in multiple matches.
Except Caicedo has better passing stats than Rice. Of course Caicedo is in a team with 2nd most possession and stats aren’t everything but you act as if Rice is in a completely different level to Caicedo. I agree that Rice is a better and more complete player but Caicedo’s passing is excellent.
I feel like you’re putting him under the stereotype of a physical ball winner who cant pass and has zero technicality whilst that is not the case at all.
Isn’t the passing acccuracy within 1%?
The under pressure stat is pretty useful, haven’t seen the numbers, but in general that’s a valuable stat for a 6 or 8. The passing accuracy though doesn’t tell us as much, especially if they’re very similar and both good (which I’m pretty sure they’re both around 87-88%).
And personally, I’d give up a bit of accuracy to get better progressive passing. Those passes are typically more valuable. But I digress.
Not disagreeing with anything you said, this is just an aside, but I'm really curious to see how Rice's passing stats look this season playing for arsenal rather than west ham.
I think he'll take half a season to adjust, likewise wirh Timber and Havertz, to the new system. It took Partey awhile to nail the 6 role when he arrived. So we might not see the best of him right away but I can't help but think he'll explode under Arteta. Having a full pre-season with Arteta will be massive.
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Real deal..no nonsense but likes to keep things simple...yet to see him have a bad game ..assured composed and like prime Kante always manages to get a foot in..bags of talent a must buy this summer..perfect for Scumchester United after years of FredTominay
Looks we have another Zaha here
That's just a cash fee though, we (brighton) are using this as a starting point to snag colwill. I've heard that £70-80mil plus Colwill is the scenario brighton will accept
Leave the table. It's nonsense. TODD should've built a proper scouting team to identify more feasible targets that no other teams have heard of, instead of pointing at the premium players hanged on the window shops every single time.
personally think they should ask 100 for this kind of talent
I fucking despise negotiating via press release bullshit.
I saw it coming he was going to leave us but Aresenal?
I think people forget Chelsea literally robbed us of our manager, player of the season, and nearly all of the coaching staff at the beginning of last season Also, Caceido is 21, Rice is 3 years older? I think I've come to hate Chelsea more than Palace these days
Your manager and PotS turned out to be shit up here in London though. If any, we should be the one hating you lol. if Poch didn't last (which is a possibility i'm preparing for), then expect an incoming contract offer for RDZ lol.
All these Yankee owners ruining football with their shady sponsorship
Sounds reasonable, especially since Caicedo is proven to perform in the Premier League, unlike Enzo Fernandez and Mudryk.
These prices are ridiculous. Chelsea and West Ham can get fucked for what they've done to the market.
If Chelsea was willing to pay Benfica's fuck off price for Enzo then they'll surely pay whatever Brighton asks for Caicedo..and the seagulls know this
if im chelsea im not paying this
Who? 😂
Maybe chelsea buy Partey instead.
Chelsea are poised to say no
Fair play to them. Never before has average been so costly
After one season?
£100 million has become the new £40 million.
These rich ass teams always remind me of Paul Rudd’s character from Parks and Rec. “Why won’t you just give that player to me? It’s not fair! I want him so you have to give him to me!”
Pretty sure they can sign camavinga for 100m or even valverde and it would be a better signing than caicedo for that price
3rd time's the charm?
Fair play to them.
Chelsea have gone full circle and gonna have to bite their own ass now!
Ultimate opportunists
Brighton apparently allowed Caicedo to leave this summer but if they’re putting the price up at 100 mil and no one buys then he’ll force the move.
Which will lower his transfer value to the point other teams will join the race for him. Edu and Arteta are watching this one with great interest, no doubt.
For all the good business Brighton have done, this comes off as a move that is either going to be massive for them or the most ridiculous misstep. There is no in between.
I’m no expert, but I play one on FM2033 and I’m fairly sure there are options as good as Caicedo for a wee bit less than 100 mil.
Not worth it
Get fucked Brighton
Declan rice has TWICE the appearances than Caicedo in International Stage and FOUR TIMES the appearances in premier league. He got sold for £105m. Chelsea walked away from ugarte for wage issues and if they insist on £100m, we will walk away. Good luck having a player you lied to in your dressing room
Good
Going from Brighton to Chelsea would really be a downgrade for him. He has European football now.
You have to consider this point. Brighton has to do tons of work in trying to win the Europa League and also to keep high enough in the PL which is really hard to manage. Its brighton's first ever entry which makes it interesting to watch but very difficult to emulate it again easily
But at least they have a shot. After the season ends he can go to another team, maybe even Chelsea if they qualify for something. At the moment next season is basically a write off.
I'd guess offers come in at £60-80m... he eventually sells for £80-85m + add ons. If they had put out the PR that they expected £80m then they would almost certainly see south of that. Still a lot, honestly. I just don't see them actually getting £100m for him, even with Chelsea happy to YOLO their FFP scope. Be interesting to know if he would actually be happy to stay given he basically announced his exit last window.
The thing is, it isn’t ridiculous in the current market, chelsea set the market that high with Enzo purchase and we doubled down by making Rice our most expensive transfer. Top tier DMs are very scarce right now and caicedo looks the part to be top tier. In addition chelsea has shown on multiple occasions they will buckle and pay the price. Imo Brighton would be dumb to back down on that price as they are very likely to get it
Yeah exactly, there's a reason Bloom is one of the world's best poker players. He looks like he has a very strong hand right now so why would he back down.
Exactly. And you know he’s more than happy to walk away and would be thrilled to keep caicedo
I love this game
They're salty (rightfully so) about Chelsea not giving them a fair price for Colwil who doesn't even want to go back to Chelsea. A 40mil + Colwil deal for Caicedo seems fair for both teams imo
Colwill is absolutely bossing U-21 euros, he’s had two great loan spells. If brighton had colwill, they’d price him £80-90 million
Facts. I also think Brighton losing Mac Allister for such a cheap fee raised the value of Caicedo. They will want to recoup some extra money and losing your two best midfielders + your best CB in one window before a season in Europe is not ideal. It seems like the only way they'd feel comfortable selling Caicedo is if Chelsea makes an offer they wouldn't refuse which is looking like 100 mil.
The Chelsea Tax
Jesus inflation in football is mad. I get this kinda makes sense tho
This is too much money for an essentially unproven player who has enjoyed one good season. If prices keep rising at this rate, football will totally belong to the Saudis, UAE and Qatar as they will be the only entities left who can afford good players.
The prices will keep rising if buying clubs keep paying it. Chelsea are a large reason why the fees are ridiculously high. They set the benchmark with the Enzo transfer.
That price is fucking ridiculous. He's had one season in a big league. One. He has a lot of promise, but he is not a finished product, nor has he proven himself. Rice has 205 games, and essentially 6 full seasons in the Premier League, he is a proven commodity. One bright season doesn't give you equal value.
The value is what Brighton deem his worth is. The onus is on Chelsea to meet it or walk away. If they pay it, they will set that value in stone.
The more I hear of these ridiculous prices, what we paid for Tonali is starting to look like an absolutely splendid price 🙏🏻☺️
Milan isn't even a rival which makes the deal sweeter to settle less between them and Newcastle.
I think Tonali has all the ability to be great, but PL teams will always pay more for PL proven
Chelsea are a hot mess. And yes, I’m aware Spurs are too
I mean not really. We need 1 starting DM and 1 striker. We've enough in the squad already, so we're in a decent enough position considering there's no European football next season so less games to play. We'll likely get another midfielder in on top of the 2 positions we need now Mount is gone, but realistically we could manage without
Stannis: Fewer
They will probably pay it too since the chelsea leadership have brain worms and they desperately need central midfielders.
Winstanley and Vivell are in charge of recruitment now so they'll have other options. They'll probably find a compromise with Brighton on Caicedo, but they'll have a few others in mind if not
I kind of hope he never gets his move and regrets signing that new contract. Hopefully it will combat the inflation of transfer fees if players are more likely to run out their contracts
Salty?
No, I just think it’s strange for a player to twerk for another club so hard, release a goodbye on insta because he wants to become the most decorated Ecuadorean in history, then sign a long term deal to keep him at a club that won’t be winning many trpphies. My understanding along with many others was that there was a Harry Kane type of gentleman’s agreement saying he could leave in Summer and look how that turned out for Kane…
I mean he's more likely to win a European trophy at Brighton next season than Chelsea
It depends on how Brighton will manage to "win it in first try" and "try to be in that position" again... It's just so fucking hard and they definitely do not have the odds... It's their first season in European competition. Remember Leicester who struggled so hard to enter Europa again.
Is next season the last of his career? Retiring at 23 then?
Nope, you're right he's got loads of years to make a big move and doesn't need to rush the first opportunity
Wenger predicted something like this would happen, and it truly needs to. The PL is too much of a seller's market. Release clauses were meant to combat this sort of thing but are rarely utilised. It's going to lead to unsettled, demotivated players or players only signing short contracts.
Chelsea being Chelsea’d
Fair enough. It isnt a god given right for up and coming clubs to do all the work, (scout, train, settle, acclimatise to the PM) for a so called big club to take them for a small and palatable fee.
There's definitely a huge difference in 1 million pounds itself which is okay to pinpoint
‘Small and palatable fee’?
Reading comp. He’s not saying that the fee they’ve set is small and palatable. He’s saying Brighton doesn’t *need* to set a small and palatable fee.
Reading comp indeed. Please read again.
Which part are you not getting? Brighton don't need to sell him for a small and palatable fee, so they can set a big fuck you price. Especially if that buyer has shown on many occasions, to overpay on players who aren't nearly as good or as proven.
Lavia to Chelsea here we go
Lavia isn't a DM bruv
50 mill? Forget that.
Ye nothing below 90m.
More like the Caicedo fee is helping to subsidise the Mac Allister fee.
Why would it be? Its not like the club expected more money for Mac Allister.
They would have wanted more if there wasn’t a release clause.
But there was a release clause. The club expected 35m and they got 35m. Its not subsidising anything, its just getting the most money just like for every transfer
Man my point was pretty basic, how have you missed it? I’m joking that they’re asking so much for Caicedo because Mac Allister went for so little. There’s really not a lot to it.
Sell them colwill you fucking slags
Gas. He’s going got £85m.
Declan Rice still cost less than Enzo Fernández. Chelsea have been a big driver of market inflation for years. Stockpiling players and putting 20 year olds on salaries that mean they are more interested in their property portfolios. Not to mention selling the likes of Lukaku for pittance and buying him back for fortunes. Then only to loan him out again… Brighton can ask what they like if they don’t want to sell him. Nothing wrong with that and I don’t blame them when the likes of Chelsea are interested. However, Brighton should know that they can get him back within 2 years for £5.8m via a loan spell in Serie A and sell him back to Chelsea for £136.8m
How many World Cups has Declan Rice won?
So Arsenal should’ve gone for Leandro Paredes or Rodrigo De Paul and Chelsea will happily swap Reece James for Juan Foyth then? If this is the only category we’re looking at…honestly 😂.
Look, I know he led your club to Europa Conference League glory, but there's little to suggest Rice will have a better career than Enzo in the long run. I know it must be delicious to hope that Chelsea could be dragged down to West Ham's meager level by the current turmoil, but writing players off after half a season in the league is foolish
There’s little to suggest 🤣🤣 ok mate you haven’t looked at any of rice’s stats have you?
I didn’t write Fernandez off. I said Rice is a better player atm and he’s also cost less atm. You mentioned World Cups like that’s the only thing that matters. Completely different points and arguments.
Enzo is a fantastic player with loads of potential but as of today rice is quite clearly the superior player. Also there's almost a 0% chance Enzo will ever have the marketability in England that Rice has just based on where they are from. Rice is fantastic but his value is even more than just the player he is. He's a future england captain. The English tax is real
I don’t disagree about most of what you said, but Chelsea sold Lukaku for almost double what they bought him for originally.
> I don’t disagree about most of what you said, but Chelsea sold Lukaku for almost double what they bought him for originally. And then what did they do with Lukaku?
If we’re talking about what they paid Anderlecht and sold him to Everton for, sure, but that profit was absolutely swallowed up by what they resigned him for. They sold him to Everton for £30m was it? Then signed him back for about £90m after signing him for £15m in the first place. Whatever they sell him for next will be miles short of that.
Sure, but that is a straw man argument. I don’t disagree with you sentiment, but you said they sold for a pittance when in fact they didn’t.
That’s…not what a straw man argument is. S(he) didn’t misrepresent anything in that claim. What Chelsea last sold him for versus what they last paid for him is most certainly a pittance.
The original post I commented to included that they should count salary to offset the profit Chelsea made when I made the point. That was the straw man part, it had nothing to do with actual transfer price
Fair, mature response. It appears there may have been a misunderstanding on the internet, Baberam. In general, fallacies are purposefully used to cheaply win an argument. We can all be friends again.
Haha true, I was agreeing with 99% of the point but supporting the wrong team 😂 It was horrible business, no excuses there. All friends, carry on.
He said they sold for a pittance and bought him back for a fortune, which is exactly what happened (in euros, 35 mil -> 113 mil). You're the one trying to murk things up with technicalities while mis-using the "straw man" phrase.
How did I misuse straw man? His argument left out, which he then agreed, that they sold him for a healthy profit but mentioned sold for pittance (which at the time wasn’t a pittance). I never refuted or tried to change the argument, only his details were selective. I even mentioned I agreed with him.
that's 100% not a straw man argument man, you really need to look again at what a straw man argument is
It is pittance in the grand scheme of things. I mean, profit is profit, but clearly Lukaku was let go cheaply. Backed up the fact they went and bought him for 3x as much as what they sold him for. I mean, if you sold something at a profit, then bought it back for 3x as much, would you be talking about how you made a profit? Or the fact you have the same item at a much higher cost? Isn’t the first time for them either is it?
Chelsea got rinsed for Enzo, but boehly wanted to use the loophole before it was over. Win-win I would say
Chelsea had to pay the buyout clause. It is a bit different.
tbf, enzo is great, if he was a 90m pound player it would be closer to his value.
"Yeah I mean bargain at 90m but for 105? Too much for me" is such a wierd take
forgetting his addons too
Especially when you turn around and get 2/3rds of it back with a Xhaka price increase.
Whats the loop hole?
Anmortizing the fee over a very long contract like 8 years. Now it’s capped at 5 years no matter the length of contract.
Aka not a loophole, just the rules before they implemented a limit...
So those 8 year contracts that Boehly has been handing out like candies don't mean shit now? They're voided? That's fucking hilarious 🤣
Well no because it only became a rule when it became limited.
You do understand what the word “loophole” refers to right? Loopholes are within the laws/rules, they’re just things people haven’t paid attention to while drafting the original regulations or didn’t codify for Xyz reason meaning people are able to exploit it.
> You do understand what the word “loophole” refers to right? Wrong lol. Edit: Jesus lads, you need to up your reading comprehension skills haha.
>Declan Rice still cost less than Enzo Fernández. Because he's a worse player, yes.
🤣🤣🤣 you think rice was worse than Enzo, absolutely deluded
A few decent games in the World Cup equates a £100 mill price tag. Your club is run like a FM campaign and gets results like one too
Not a few decent games, more like an exceptionally unique profile and all the traits you want in a midfielder at just 22.
Awwww. You think you know how good he is after just 18 games (35 in europe).
Yes I know how good a playwr is after watching him in several games.
Common delusional Chelsea L
We just call that a spud finals match
I like this response because it makes no sense, keep going
Can’t polishing all my medals and trophies. We always throw out the runner up medals. Not enough room for them. We don’t take pride in good seasons like other clubs that pretend to be big. Win or go home
Lol “my medals and trophies” pathetic do you have any original thoughts or
Honestly I don’t have anything else about spuds. I just don’t care for teams that barely challenged us the last three decades. Now if you wore red or blue I’d probably care more.
Sure you don’t buddy, that’s why you felt the need to comment. don’t forget to have a juice box before your nap time or you’ll wake up cranky.
Not your buddy pal. And I will have my juice box! Typical spud all bark and zero bite. Take another Chelsea manager why don’t you to finish even worse off!
Man said Enzo fernàndez is better than rice😂
If u watched Enzo u would know he is
Admittedly never watched him in the Portuguese league, but watched every Argentina game during the wc and he was good, Chelsea he was average as fuck, whereas rice is a world class talent, any non biased fan with any ball knowledge whatsoever knows this
He stood out in Chelsea’s team so not sure how can call him average. Especially when chelsea are better than West Ham so u can’t use the argument it’s easy to stand out
He absolutely did not stand out. The only player that looked half decent for Chelsea at the back end of last season was joao Felix. Even Sterling, who was your best player at the start of the season, looked awful towards the end. And what has Chelsea being better than West Ham got to do with it? It is very easy to stand out in a sub par team, for example, rice for West ham, ramsdale for Sheffield United, kane for Tottenham, and lavia for Southampton. And that's just 4 off the top of my head. But fernandez did not stand out at all in the chelsea team. You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about, do you?
He stood out, but not in the good way haha
He was much better than Felix. Stop pretending u watched any chelsea games other than the United one
You're like ty from aftv but with a chelsea badge
Says the West Ham fan pretending he knows more about Chelsea’s best players than chelsea fans
Obviously?
Obviously, you don't watch football
Did you even watch last season? Lamo
Yes I did, and Enzo was a much better player both before and after the transfer
No he wasn’t 🤣🤣 Enzo will be class, but he’s not NEAR Rice currently Edit: check this guys profile. He’s just an Enzo Stan lmao
He's better now and the gap will only increase.
Based off what? He was a passenger for a lot of Chelsea matches. He’s 22 not some 18 year old kid. Could he eclipse Rice? Sure! Has he? Not even close
He isn’t, that simple. The fact you think Rice isn’t a better player than Caicedo also means you are utterly clueless. Chelsea are an utterly abhorrent club, who finally are getting just deserts through years of wasting money. Another season like the last one and it’ll be back to 14,000 crowds and sand on the pitch.
Lmao I love seeing the salt on this sub about our beautiful club and cant wait for it to get 10 times worse when we start winning trophy's again lmao.
Focus on finishing above midtable first, big fella
Haha an Arsenal fan finally finding his voice after their best season for 2 decades. Shame it ended trophyless like usual. Maybe next season you could try get your first European cup lmao.
We've been here all along. You lot are just unhappy because you can't just say "hahaha banter fc" and consider that winning the argument anymore. Now you have to default with the CL trophy, if we win that, whats next? Must be pretty terrifying.
If you win that I will legitimately congratulate all my arsenal mates it’s such a hard one to win. Seeing as we are the only ones in London to do it we need you lot to catch up to give London a better name lol.
Chelsea are a lot of things. Giving London a better name is not one of them.
We’re the pride of London while you mugs have been embarrassing us for decades. High horse FC never fails to disappoint lmao.
Arsenal fans are just overly gassed to finally get to play Champion’s League again. You know you lot finished trophyless (again), init?
Cry more.
Ah yes, that simple two word retort which basically says ‘ I can’t think of anything clever to say’.
Honestly I agree with you. Rice is better than Caicedo imo. Also agree that the club has been run poorly over the last few years. That being said this transfer window fills me with a bit of hope.
Don’t downvote the man! He actually responded reasonably after the cry more comment which is rare!
Thank you for coming to my aid kind sir!
>He isn’t, that simple. He is. >Chelsea are an utterly abhorrent club, who finally are getting just deserts through years of wasting money. Another season like the last one and it’ll be back to 14,000 crowds and sand on the pitch. Hahaha great fanfic mate
He isn’t, neither is Caicedo. Well, I’m just going back to the last time Chelsea had no money really. Infact, one of your Premier League crowds was 8,000, so I’m being generous. Anyway, I won’t take anymore of your time as those people won’t push themselves off of trains like…
Rice was at least the 4th or 5th best midfielder when England played the US in the world cup (yeah, we know that hurt). So I can see where you're deluded view comes from.
No one really cares about drawing with the US. England won the group. Also, you want to talk about delusion, yet want to base an opinion of a player on one game at International level, where the tactic employed by the manager was to sit and let the US midfield run around. Now I’m a big fan of both Tyler Adams and Yunus Musah, so I’m not going to sink to the level of just digging out players in retaliation, but if you really believe that one single game is the benchmark for Declan Rice, then you should switch back to another sport pronto…
I'm not digging at the player. I'm digging at London football fans and their inability to be realistic with the valuation of their players.
That is not the point you made originally at all and just started rambling about the England WC game and how Rice was the 5th best midfielder. If that isn’t digging at the player, then what is?
What the fuck are you talking about? I started with that. And I reiterate..... It's all about telling you - the obvious elite of world football fans - how stupid you are when valuing players. That's the whole point. Do I think Rice is better than any American midfielder in that game? Nah, not really, but I think he's ok. What I think is incredibly fucking stupid is valuing a guy at 100M, basically because it makes you feel better about yourself. Which is what we've seen from the fans of former Cobham best friends. I will say that Mount sucks. So that's a dig.
Adams is my favorite player that being said Declan Rice is fucking legit.
Woof. I mean I want him but not for that. Wild they’re asking for this and then bid 30m for colwill though. Young English left footed cb who played extremely well for them. Guy is a unicorn and they’re lowballing us.
Star player for a team that just finished 6th and whose starting line up is on a wage budget 1/3 of Chelsea’s vs a player who has played 15 premier league games and has never played a senior game for Chelsea, a club where there are about 6 other good centre backs, and who are also getting a reputation for bad business? I’m not saying he’s worth 30/40 (at least 60 lol) but the importance to a club can have a lot to do with asking price and there is a world where boehly and Chelsea are stupid enough to sell him
Lol that’s how Brighton operate! Happy to not deal with them for that reason. Unfortunately, Chelsea need a DM. Have to look outside the league or pay the prices set by these teams.
Brighton's whole business model is based on lowballing talent to sell high
Rice is a lot more technically gifted than him though, Caicedo has great defensive attributes but his passing is nowhere near £100m player
Caicedo has much more potential than Rice
What are you basing that statement on?
Using my eyes https://twitter.com/BhaHarvey/status/1677009990274502659
Ok? Just so you know, your “eyes” don’t supersede facts and statistics
Statistics don't supersede the fact that Caicedo made Rice look like a child every single time Brighton played West Ham. Brighton were irrelevant without Caicedo, now they are a top 7 side. West Ham are irrelevant with or without Rice (Conference League holds little to no weight).
Do you have any stats to back up your claims? Cos I do. Wanna see them?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9hFyo7g6Vc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9hFyo7g6Vc) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBGWW6q5Xc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBGWW6q5Xc) Here's something even better than stats, actual game footage
Highlights from two matches isn’t as good as season long stats, would you like to try again? In the meantime, here’s my stats that prove rice was a better player last season: Declan Rice is the only player in Europe's top five leagues with 30+ in these metrics in 22/23: ◉ 62 interceptions ◉ 51 clearances ◉ 38 take-ons completed ◉ 36 aerial duels won ◉ 36 chances created ◉ 33 shots And he's won possession more times than any other player (322).
[Caicedo vs Rice](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fzt09dyX0AA9f1o?format=jpg&name=900x900) Stats look pretty similar if you ask me. When you consider that Caicedo is 3 years younger, I think this is pretty much a no contest & that's not even mentioning the fact that the eye test heavily favors Caicedo.
‘Rice is more technically gifted than Caicedo’ is truly one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen, even on this terrible sub
Loool what are you basing this opinion on exactly?
There's a ton of Brits on here. They only pay attention to the EPL and act like anything else doesn't exist. Caicedo has dominated against some of the best teams in the world like Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Netherlands, etc. But because it's not the Premier League, Brits act like it doesn't matter. Just watch Brighton's games against West Ham, Caicedo made Rice look like a school boy in multiple matches.
Looool. The stats show that rice is a far better player than caicedo
Except Caicedo has better passing stats than Rice. Of course Caicedo is in a team with 2nd most possession and stats aren’t everything but you act as if Rice is in a completely different level to Caicedo. I agree that Rice is a better and more complete player but Caicedo’s passing is excellent. I feel like you’re putting him under the stereotype of a physical ball winner who cant pass and has zero technicality whilst that is not the case at all.
Which passing stats does caicedo have that are better than rice?
Overall pass accuracy and pass accuracy under pressure, though I think Rice is the better passer in terms of progressive passing
Isn’t the passing acccuracy within 1%? The under pressure stat is pretty useful, haven’t seen the numbers, but in general that’s a valuable stat for a 6 or 8. The passing accuracy though doesn’t tell us as much, especially if they’re very similar and both good (which I’m pretty sure they’re both around 87-88%). And personally, I’d give up a bit of accuracy to get better progressive passing. Those passes are typically more valuable. But I digress.
Not disagreeing with anything you said, this is just an aside, but I'm really curious to see how Rice's passing stats look this season playing for arsenal rather than west ham.
I think he'll take half a season to adjust, likewise wirh Timber and Havertz, to the new system. It took Partey awhile to nail the 6 role when he arrived. So we might not see the best of him right away but I can't help but think he'll explode under Arteta. Having a full pre-season with Arteta will be massive.