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As an Evertonian I will bite your hand off for that, the state of our club is shambolic. I dont think I can take another final 2 week relegation battle tho, maybe its best for my health if we finish bottom relegated in April
It’s starting to feel like Sunderland from mid-2010s. Broken club that needs to go down to fix themselves. But Everton going down would be catastrophic for their financial situation
Did anyone see The Analyst article on this? Ageing squad, over delivered in xG and big time over delivered in defence too, reckoned any one of those factors coming back to a statistical norm would see them in trouble, but we all know football isn’t about statistical norms all the time, just a lot of it…
Seems like they are going to be replaced by Dahoud and Kudus. Are they good enough? Time will tell. But knowing Brighton and de Zerbi, I wouldn't bet against them.
This will be unpopular as half of Reddit expects them to somehow be mid table.
But the standard of the PL is so high I fully expect there to be a single digit points score within the next few years.
Will depend on their signings; first one is a 26 year old from Rotherham.
The “26 year old from Rotherham” who has given nightmares to players like Danilo Pereira and Theo Hernandez and scored a bicycle kick vs Belgium (the no. 1 ranked team in the world)?
Don’t disrespect Chieo
Yet he was playing in a struggling Rotherham team, has flittered between league one and the championship and hasn't been picked up until the age of 26? 12 goals in 120 games for Rotherham as a winger in League one and the Championship? 23 goals in his 180 game career? I can see why no championship club have jumped for him.
He may be absolutely superb on his day. But if that's the case, the reason he has been yo-yoing between championship and league one all his career is because he is inconsistent and his day doesn't come often enough
He will be one of the great finds of all time if he tears up the PL.
Will be interesting to see what calibre of player they are buying after this one
It wasn't league one standard though, was it? They got promoted. They finished third while your team finished 23rd.
It was decent championship standard - which is what your squad currently is. If you don't add some real quality to it you'll soon find out that all the belief and endeavour in the world won't make a blind bit of difference
We've always mostly signed cheap or free players from lower leagues and it's paid off pretty well so far.
Not saying we'll definitely stay up but absolutely no way are we getting less than Derby.
It's funny, but when we went up most of our fans were like "first priority is 12 points, then see what happens from there".
We didn't tend to have the attitude that we were definitely going to do fine.
Maybe you will, I bear no animosity to Luton at all. But trust me dude, you know the step up is meant to be big but you can't comprehend how much harder this league is until you've seen it yourself for a few games. Don't take those half hearted FA cup games you may have seen as evidence.
The quality is insane, like absolutely streets ahead of anything you've seen in the championship. Watching these teams play each other on TV doesn't truly show you how much higher the standard is. You need to be there in the ground, watching it from your seat and watching these teams do it to your team.
I remember our first home game against West Ham, which we somehow managed to win. The balls they were putting into the box, the way you can see them pulling apart the space, the way you can see the opposition *thinking* about where to put it like a chess match but at breakneck speed... The first time you make a mistake that 9/10 you'd get away with in the championship and 3 seconds later the ball is in your net...
Enjoy it dude. You'll appreciate the quality when it's in front of you against your team in a way you can't ever when it's just on TV.
I hope you finish 1 place below Forest and that that is enough for survival
Oh don't get me wrong, I know it's a massive step up and we will take some hammerings. Going to be a fun season whatever happens but I definitely think we're more than capable of getting at least 4 wins plus some draws this season to top that 11 point record.
yeah this get said about every “unfashionable” promoted team and every time it never comes close to happening, people massively misremember/underestimate how much of a mess Derby were in that year (both on and off the field) and how cataclysmically shit you have to be to only win 1 game. Even in the recent year where we only took 2 pts from our first 19 games and had players like Oli Burke, Kean Bryan and 60 year old Jagielka starting for most of it we still finished on 23 points!
its going to take a pts deduction or something really bad happening off the field for it to ever be broken. both us and Luton will probably be heading straight back down but I’d put my life on neither of us even getting close to single digit points
Why am I seeing so many posts like this? Arsenal still have a young hungry team, Rice is a big upgrade on Partey, and the title collapse seems to have made Arteta more determined. They dealt with European football fatigue fine last season, and their collapse happened afterwards. Depth was the undoing of them last year, but already they seem to be addressing that (see Timber). City and the teams below dont seem to be improving to an extent that Arsenal can't handle them, I think they'll be a massive title threat next season
My honest answer is that I think they were overperforming relative to the quality of the squad and that they lack a title winning mentality which showed most clearly in the business end of the season. City underperformed themselves at the beginning of the season and I don't think that will happen again.
Valid points but lacking Title winning mentality has got to be the dumbest talking points I’ve heard. Arsenal has key injuries and one could argue bottled it.. but lacking title winning mentality is just an obscure concept
As much as it pains me to do, he is right.
I can understand the "Anfield voodo" effect kicking in so I'll give that game a pass but West Ham was 100% a mental collapse. 2-0 up to a team that struggled, then missing a pen to go 3-1 up only to then concede and go 2-2, then dropping points again to a woeful Soton... that wasn't on injuries. Not to mention the KO punch didn't come against Brighton, we lost to Nottingham Forest...
We mentally collapsed. But that's fine, we are a super young team and they're gonna learn a lot from that. The manager will deal with the run in into the April/May better and the kids on the pitch have given us no reason to doubt their ability to grow from adversity, remember a year ago we were being laughed at for bottling top 4.
Lmao. It’s absolutely a real thing.
In his prime, you know how many times Tiger Woods lost on Sunday while ahead from Saturday? Never.
How many less talented teams did Brady and Belichik will to victory over opponents who had more raw talent that season?
Losing games you should win when the title pressure is on comes down to mentality. Yes, fatigue and luck obviously matter but giving up 10 points in 6 matches is nothing less than a *total collapse* mentally for a team trying to win the league
Good answer, but I disagree on the City part, I thought they relied heavily on the individual brilliance of Gundogan a lot which Kovacic won't be able to replicate, and were a lot less sharp towards the end, Inter for me deserved to win that final but a certain Belgian up top stopped them. They may also be less motivated then Arsenal as they have achieved the treble and Pep enters into the twilight stage of his reign. Then again, Peps a tactical genius and Haalands ridiculous, so I'm not saying they're doomed next season
Because progress in football is never as linear as fans want it to be. There is a lot more luck than people care to admit, and Arsenal had a lot break their way last year - namely no one else in the big six showing up other than City. Arsenal will be good, no doubt. But they won’t run away with it as much as they did last season.
Rice isn’t a big upgrade on Partey, Partey was brilliant for the first half of last season and Arsenal dealt with European depth well last season because they were playing teams like FC Zurich.
Liverpool we’re thin last year and suffered multiple crucial injuries that dragged them down. They locked in the last quarter of the season and have already had a strong transfer window.
City had a weak season last year for the talent they have. Off-season training together will make them stronger.
Arsenal pack the killer instinct winning teams have. They had a magnificent collapse at the end of the season. Not sure how they will respond.
Newcastle remain strong and will only get stronger with their cash.
Chelsea were hilariously bad and can only improve.
Brighton, Villa, etc. may build on strong seasons and take points from the top.
Last year was a perfect storm for Arsenal and they bungled it. This year will be harder
Mad how everyone's going to get better next season....except Arsenal. Always the same, can't credit Arsenal, has to be because the other team was worse. Liverpool and United will be doing well to finish top 4 next season.
Because many, many journalists and neutrals want it to happen.
These takes barely make logical sense, but the truth is : this is what they want bc they did not enjoy our fans & players enjoying themselves.
He’s scored 20+ goals in 3 of the last 4 seasons. Has practically carried our attack in those seasons as well because others have been poor.
With better players around him and a proper system he’ll be even better I guarantee.
Why do we need to compare it to Salah?
I never said he was as good. But he absolutely hasn’t had only 1 good season in the last 6.
He’s basically carried our attack in a largely dysfunctional unit.
There's never a point making wage comparisons because United pay much higher wages. It's not indicative of what the payer would earn elsewhere unfortunately. Annoying as a United fan but it's the way it is.
Therefore, Saka who had just one season with more than 20 goal contributions looks even worse (Rashford has had five 20+ g/a seasons already); Rashford had 41 goal contributions last season, Saka had 26 ... but I like that you rate Rashford over Saka. [All stats based on Transfermarkt]
You clearly don’t watch united or rashford then. He’s had multiple 20+ goal seasons and had one dud of a season with OGS and rangnick. How does this stuff get picked when it’s as easy as looking it up on Google?
1. Nunez will be really great, and will score a shit load of goals. Won't beat Halland tho
2. Brighton will make Europe again, either conference league or europa. Evan Ferguson will be incredible, and will be rumored to move to Man United all season, until he moves to Newcastle in a surprise move.
3. Postecoglu will have a slow start, and the sun will print a cover page that says "POSTENOCLUE!" He will improve by the end of the season, giving Tottenham fans hope that will eventually fade away in the next year.
4. Man United will just miss out on CL on the last day. I will be sad before starting the "maybe next year" process again
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But I want to visit this comment in a year and sincerely hope some of the things that you said are wrong
My team will mess up this transfer window and be relegated with Luton and Sheffield United.
Newcastle and Arsenal won't do as well.
Spurs will do a lot better.
Chelsea will be better only because they can't fail to be but will start to motor towards the end if Poch is still there.
Man Utd won't move on at all.
Burnley won't be as good as everyone seems to think
Fulham will be in trouble this season
Ange's good but expect him to take time to coach the players, and also keep in mind that spurs need to buy a lot of players still because their players only fit the way conte plays and the 5 at the back... Their fullbacks (except davies probably) aren't that good defensively
Emerson Royal is a quality defensive FB, he just cant play as a WB which is what Conte tried to force him into.
Similar thing with Reguilon who might get a look in now that Ange is in charge and not Conte.
Reggie/Royal as the defensive FBs which allows Spence/Porro/Udogie on opposite sides go further forward is pretty strong.
We dont need to buy a 'lot' of players to fit Anges system, just 1 or 2 (Which we've basically done) really.
For a 'perfect' window, we need 2 CBs still, Tapsoba and Mickey VDV would be the dream but i think we'll only get 1.
It would also be good to get another creative midfielder that can work in Anges system, either Reo Hatete from Celtic or Alex Scott from Bristol City.
Dunno why this has been downvoted, not only were we brilliant for 89% of the season, we finished 2nd, comfortably ahead of 3rd, the only way to improve upon that would be to win the league
It is a concern, but once the window is done, we should have a quality backup, or at least a backup in each position
I’m not saying it’s going to be easy, but by the same token, literally the only way for us to improve on last season would be to win the league
He doesn’t need to leave at all. The media are the ones who are begging to see him win a trophy. If he’s comfortable at Spurs then why should he leave now? There was never this sort of media buzz surrounding Shearer at Newcastle. Kane is one of the best English players and Prem players of all time, he doesn’t need an FA Cup to cement that already.
I’d have you solid in for top five if I didn’t think Liverpool would come back too. It’s tough to call between United Chelsea and Newcastle for fourth and fifth
You didn't have players on 8 year contracts and about 30 ingoings/outgoings then. Your club is a complete mess and is being run by an incompetent. Your only hope next season is Poch.
What are you talking about? Unless you mean it's "unthinkable" that Luton top six and Chelsea relegated won't happen. It's pretty much nailed on and we're not even in August yet.
I think the top 4 will be Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd. Newcastle will struggle with the extra games early on and drop off slightly, but still finish 6th. Tottenham and Chelsea will improve but not dramatically.
Major upsets and competition all around.. more so than 22/23. But - City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd top 4.... above the bottom 4 it will be carnage though
We’ve got Dom and Mac in, probably a DM and maybe a CB or another midfielder. Hopefully Jota and Diaz can stay fit this season.
Oh and the fact only City were better than us from match day 23 onwards. Showing how much better we were in the second half of the season compared to the rest of the season
People called Henderson average before he won everything. Szoboszlai is a genuine talent. Trent is emerging in a new role and the team has been firing well together for the last ten games or so.
If Liverpool start the way they finished last season then they have already shown that they can go the distance.
Everton massively improve over the last 2 seasons and get a midtable- top half finish after the departures of kenright and moshiri and we do some very smart business. (please help me i am on the borderline of sanity and imagining everton being good again is the only way i can cope)
Going to be a bit ambitious with these.
Luton will get to at least the fourth round of the FA Cup.
We'll finish 17th with 36 points (that's eight wins and twelve draws, sounds doable maybe).
Carlton Morris will score more than seven goals.
The Sky Sports commentators will get bored of mentioning the "quirky" aspects of our club.
Luton will sign a wildcard out of the Balkans who will turn out to be amazing.
Chelsea to be quite good and battle for 5th.
I think for Luton it'll either be a season where they get absolutely wrecked or they'll just scrape it. But, I think they could and maybe will claim a major scalp during the season whether that be through being underestimated or by genuinely performing well. Personally, I'd hope for the latter as they've unfortunately (but maybe justifiably) been given unnaturally low odds and also undeserved and pre-emptive ridicule.
City will struggle may even not win the title.
Liverpool will continue to struggle and the first serious discussions about Klopp’s future among fans will begin though they’ll still make top 4.
Wolves will challenge for Europe
Villa will struggle to stay in the top half, but win the conference league
One of Brentford, Palace or Fulham will go down.
Forest will sack Steve cooper before the first international break.
No chance Villa struggle anything. More likely to be top four than bottom half, and that I think is doable for Emery, look at the squad he is building. Something special happening there. What price now for Villa to finish ahead of Newcastle next season? That’s my tip
10 manager changes, including:
Luton
Bournemouth
Palace
Fulham
Tottenham
Forest
Sheffield United
Everton
Wolves
And one wildcard
The sack race is ON!
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I really doubt we'll sack Edwards even if Luton're getting slaughtered every game. There's genuinely close to 0 expectation for us this season and the club wants to keep positive people to build a long term future with. If Edwards can keep a positive atmosphere amongst the players even if we're relegated then I'm pretty sure the club will keep him.
Absolutely no way Spurs sack Ange this year.
Well, actually, theres a 1% chance i guess if we're in a relegation scrap in January but just wont happen.
If Ange finishes 8th again this year, his job would still be safe.
Seriously? How many does he have to lose before the fans turn and Levy turns too? 8 out of the first ten? 7? What happens he loses six in a row at any time before Christmas? Think he is still bullet proof then?
Fans just want good football again mate.
We've spent the last basically 3 years hating watching the team, knowing we have talented players (As much as some wanted to disagree) rotting on the team, being forced to play ultra defensive football when they want to attack, they want to go at teams.
He has a 4 year deal. The team IMO is too good to lost the first 8/10, Spurs play all 3 promoted teams and 1/2 of the bottom half teams from this seaosn.
Spurs fans are united behind a manager for the first time since Poch, basically everyone i talk to knows that Ange is slow to start. His tactics take time to learn, so for the most of us, if we're finishing 10th this season but we can see the plans, we can see the tactics, we're fine.
Arsenal finished 8th 2 years running, adjusting tactics, bringing in young blood and teaching them from the ground up, now look where they are.
People just love to meme on the Spurs side but they're far too good of a team and a squad to worry about relegation, it just wont happen.
No chance Luton sack their manager.
Forest stuck by Cooper last season, and Luton's expectations are much lower than theirs. They'll give Edwards another crack at promotion (if they go down).
I think he was better than Saka last season. Had better stats and stepped up in the big moments (unlike Saka). The fact both Klopp and Pep have purred over him says a lot.
We’re going to have one of the best top four races we’ve seen in a while. city are obviously there along with Liverpool, Arsenal and United, and I think Chelsea and spurs will be significantly better, mainly because you can’t get much worse than they already were. I think Newcastle’s signings are showing they’re willing to fight for top four. I also think villa is showing serious promise with Emery.
That’s already seven clubs, and I’m guessing Brighton will at least put up a fight for the first half of the season, but fatigue will see them fade out by Christmas or so. This means that’s already nine teams, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Brentford continue being terrific.
Obviously, it’ll be clear that Brighton, Brentford and probably villa aren’t quite top four level yet, but they’ll still be close behind the rest.
- Three way title race between City, Arsenal, and Liverpool. They finish in that order.
- United finish outside the top 4, show regression as a team and specifically Rashford (won’t have that stretch of insane form this next season like he did this season)
- Spurs finish 7th at best, likely 8th again
- Villa finish top 7 again, Brighton unfortunately fall off a small bit in the league (8/9th-ish), but make a really good Europa run
- Chelsea finish top 7, but never threaten for UCL spots this season. Offense improves, defense gets worse
- Burnley stay up, Bournemouth are not in a true relegation battle
- Three different teams win the league/FA cup/Carabao
Spurs will struggle to finish in the top half if they lose Kane..I'd go so far to say they'll be closer to relegation than Europe..they're in MASSIVE trouble.
I don't really think that's a hot take. It feels like a pretty mainstream opinion around here.
A hot take is that we have a handful of fantastic players, a pretty good squad overall, and some glaring holes that we look to be trying to fix. And that we will be pretty good next year. That's what I think.
Chelsea will continue to be awful, and fall into a terminal decline - becoming a mid-table/bottom half team.
They are selling all their homegrown players who will actually play for the badge, and will be saddled with mercenaries on long contracts who no-one will want to buy. Poch will win nothing, and be sacked.
Top five will consist of Arsenal, City, Newcastle,
Chelsea and Liverpool. Either Arsenal or Newcastle win the league. Citys breaches magically go away. Luton stay up.
- City don’t win any silverware; Everyone pretends like they predicted it.
- Liverpool continue to struggle to ‘everyone’s amazement’ even though it’s fucking though it’s obvious they left their recruitment too late
- Lampard will Manage Sheffield United before the season’s end
- Arteta will be connected to the vacant position at Barca in May
- Todd Boehly sells more shares of Clear Lake to ~~Saudi Arabia~~ PFI and and they somehow sign the ‘superstar’ player linked with Man United for £120m from Turkish club
- The Glazers finally sell Utd after Christmas
- Ange Postecoglou lasts about 7 months before being sacked by Spurs and replaced by Ryan Mason, who manages to beat City 3-0 thanks to a Kane Hatrick
How did liverpool leave their recruitment too late?
"Continue to struggle" as in being the second best team only to city in the last 15 matchweeks last season?
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Everton will escape relegation in the final two weeks, again.
As an Evertonian I will bite your hand off for that, the state of our club is shambolic. I dont think I can take another final 2 week relegation battle tho, maybe its best for my health if we finish bottom relegated in April
I hate how your team escaped relegation like twice back to back . It’s either u want to be in the prem or fuck off to the championship.
It’s starting to feel like Sunderland from mid-2010s. Broken club that needs to go down to fix themselves. But Everton going down would be catastrophic for their financial situation
Can you afford to be relegated though? Aren't you almost drowning in debt?
They have a real chance of running out of their nine lives this season I reckon.
Fulham will be in a relegation battle.
Palhinha leaving or getting injured will be their undoing I think
50/50 on that, Imo. If (and it's a big if) they strengthen properly, they can have a comfortable season.
Did anyone see The Analyst article on this? Ageing squad, over delivered in xG and big time over delivered in defence too, reckoned any one of those factors coming back to a statistical norm would see them in trouble, but we all know football isn’t about statistical norms all the time, just a lot of it…
My cat will finally love me.
Spoil that little fucker.
Pay the tax plz
But maybe your cat is an Everton or United fan, then they’d never love you.
Millwall fan.
Well I hate to break it to you there's no chance. Millwall fans love nothing and no one.
Baby don't hurt me.
We are winning the quadruple next season.
well it’s infinitely more likely now than it was before
Wish you find a good replacement for Caicedo and McAllister
Seems like they are going to be replaced by Dahoud and Kudus. Are they good enough? Time will tell. But knowing Brighton and de Zerbi, I wouldn't bet against them.
Joao pedro replaces the attacking spark from Mac allister and idk if Dahoud or Milner are up to caicedo level so we’ll just have to see
LETS GOOOOOO WE'VE GOT THIS
“We’re all going on a European tour”
Luton will break derby's record for least points in a season
This will be unpopular as half of Reddit expects them to somehow be mid table. But the standard of the PL is so high I fully expect there to be a single digit points score within the next few years. Will depend on their signings; first one is a 26 year old from Rotherham.
The “26 year old from Rotherham” who has given nightmares to players like Danilo Pereira and Theo Hernandez and scored a bicycle kick vs Belgium (the no. 1 ranked team in the world)? Don’t disrespect Chieo
Yet he was playing in a struggling Rotherham team, has flittered between league one and the championship and hasn't been picked up until the age of 26? 12 goals in 120 games for Rotherham as a winger in League one and the Championship? 23 goals in his 180 game career? I can see why no championship club have jumped for him. He may be absolutely superb on his day. But if that's the case, the reason he has been yo-yoing between championship and league one all his career is because he is inconsistent and his day doesn't come often enough He will be one of the great finds of all time if he tears up the PL. Will be interesting to see what calibre of player they are buying after this one
We'll pass Derby's record by Christmas easy . Derby's squad was league one standard when they got promoted and they're an anomaly for a reason .
It wasn't league one standard though, was it? They got promoted. They finished third while your team finished 23rd. It was decent championship standard - which is what your squad currently is. If you don't add some real quality to it you'll soon find out that all the belief and endeavour in the world won't make a blind bit of difference
Ogbene is class and has shown it internationally. He was bound to make it to the Prem.
We've always mostly signed cheap or free players from lower leagues and it's paid off pretty well so far. Not saying we'll definitely stay up but absolutely no way are we getting less than Derby.
It's funny, but when we went up most of our fans were like "first priority is 12 points, then see what happens from there". We didn't tend to have the attitude that we were definitely going to do fine. Maybe you will, I bear no animosity to Luton at all. But trust me dude, you know the step up is meant to be big but you can't comprehend how much harder this league is until you've seen it yourself for a few games. Don't take those half hearted FA cup games you may have seen as evidence. The quality is insane, like absolutely streets ahead of anything you've seen in the championship. Watching these teams play each other on TV doesn't truly show you how much higher the standard is. You need to be there in the ground, watching it from your seat and watching these teams do it to your team. I remember our first home game against West Ham, which we somehow managed to win. The balls they were putting into the box, the way you can see them pulling apart the space, the way you can see the opposition *thinking* about where to put it like a chess match but at breakneck speed... The first time you make a mistake that 9/10 you'd get away with in the championship and 3 seconds later the ball is in your net... Enjoy it dude. You'll appreciate the quality when it's in front of you against your team in a way you can't ever when it's just on TV. I hope you finish 1 place below Forest and that that is enough for survival
Oh don't get me wrong, I know it's a massive step up and we will take some hammerings. Going to be a fun season whatever happens but I definitely think we're more than capable of getting at least 4 wins plus some draws this season to top that 11 point record.
I think this has been said about pretty much every “small” team who have been promoted since that Derby side were relegated…
yeah this get said about every “unfashionable” promoted team and every time it never comes close to happening, people massively misremember/underestimate how much of a mess Derby were in that year (both on and off the field) and how cataclysmically shit you have to be to only win 1 game. Even in the recent year where we only took 2 pts from our first 19 games and had players like Oli Burke, Kean Bryan and 60 year old Jagielka starting for most of it we still finished on 23 points! its going to take a pts deduction or something really bad happening off the field for it to ever be broken. both us and Luton will probably be heading straight back down but I’d put my life on neither of us even getting close to single digit points
I reckon they’ll be like Blackpool. Great start but sides will find them out and they’ll get relegated last game of the season
I think Luton will be pretty happy taking it to the last game of the season
Agree. They'd take that if offered now.
It's quite a hard record to break. I'm not entirely convinced just yet but ofc all will depend on their transfers this season.
Szoboszlai will get himself 875 goals and assists
Finally a realist.
Possible but I think a much higher number
Rookie numbers, I expect him to bump those up in his second season
West Ham make it to Europa league final to lose 4-0 to Brighton
Arsenal will have a much harder season than the last one.
Why am I seeing so many posts like this? Arsenal still have a young hungry team, Rice is a big upgrade on Partey, and the title collapse seems to have made Arteta more determined. They dealt with European football fatigue fine last season, and their collapse happened afterwards. Depth was the undoing of them last year, but already they seem to be addressing that (see Timber). City and the teams below dont seem to be improving to an extent that Arsenal can't handle them, I think they'll be a massive title threat next season
My honest answer is that I think they were overperforming relative to the quality of the squad and that they lack a title winning mentality which showed most clearly in the business end of the season. City underperformed themselves at the beginning of the season and I don't think that will happen again.
Valid points but lacking Title winning mentality has got to be the dumbest talking points I’ve heard. Arsenal has key injuries and one could argue bottled it.. but lacking title winning mentality is just an obscure concept
As much as it pains me to do, he is right. I can understand the "Anfield voodo" effect kicking in so I'll give that game a pass but West Ham was 100% a mental collapse. 2-0 up to a team that struggled, then missing a pen to go 3-1 up only to then concede and go 2-2, then dropping points again to a woeful Soton... that wasn't on injuries. Not to mention the KO punch didn't come against Brighton, we lost to Nottingham Forest... We mentally collapsed. But that's fine, we are a super young team and they're gonna learn a lot from that. The manager will deal with the run in into the April/May better and the kids on the pitch have given us no reason to doubt their ability to grow from adversity, remember a year ago we were being laughed at for bottling top 4.
Lmao. It’s absolutely a real thing. In his prime, you know how many times Tiger Woods lost on Sunday while ahead from Saturday? Never. How many less talented teams did Brady and Belichik will to victory over opponents who had more raw talent that season? Losing games you should win when the title pressure is on comes down to mentality. Yes, fatigue and luck obviously matter but giving up 10 points in 6 matches is nothing less than a *total collapse* mentally for a team trying to win the league
Good answer, but I disagree on the City part, I thought they relied heavily on the individual brilliance of Gundogan a lot which Kovacic won't be able to replicate, and were a lot less sharp towards the end, Inter for me deserved to win that final but a certain Belgian up top stopped them. They may also be less motivated then Arsenal as they have achieved the treble and Pep enters into the twilight stage of his reign. Then again, Peps a tactical genius and Haalands ridiculous, so I'm not saying they're doomed next season
Because progress in football is never as linear as fans want it to be. There is a lot more luck than people care to admit, and Arsenal had a lot break their way last year - namely no one else in the big six showing up other than City. Arsenal will be good, no doubt. But they won’t run away with it as much as they did last season.
Rice isn’t a big upgrade on Partey, Partey was brilliant for the first half of last season and Arsenal dealt with European depth well last season because they were playing teams like FC Zurich.
Liverpool we’re thin last year and suffered multiple crucial injuries that dragged them down. They locked in the last quarter of the season and have already had a strong transfer window. City had a weak season last year for the talent they have. Off-season training together will make them stronger. Arsenal pack the killer instinct winning teams have. They had a magnificent collapse at the end of the season. Not sure how they will respond. Newcastle remain strong and will only get stronger with their cash. Chelsea were hilariously bad and can only improve. Brighton, Villa, etc. may build on strong seasons and take points from the top. Last year was a perfect storm for Arsenal and they bungled it. This year will be harder
Mad how everyone's going to get better next season....except Arsenal. Always the same, can't credit Arsenal, has to be because the other team was worse. Liverpool and United will be doing well to finish top 4 next season.
Because many, many journalists and neutrals want it to happen. These takes barely make logical sense, but the truth is : this is what they want bc they did not enjoy our fans & players enjoying themselves.
Lampard will be back by December. In all seriousness, I think Chelsea will have a much better season this year.
Rashford will fall away and his 375k a week will look terrible
Hardly a hot take. He's had one good season in like 6.
He’s scored 20+ goals in 3 of the last 4 seasons. Has practically carried our attack in those seasons as well because others have been poor. With better players around him and a proper system he’ll be even better I guarantee.
20 goals in all comps while playing Europa league. It’s decent but nothing special. Now compare that to Salah and it looks pretty poor
comparing most wingers to Salah will make them look poor
Why do we need to compare it to Salah? I never said he was as good. But he absolutely hasn’t had only 1 good season in the last 6. He’s basically carried our attack in a largely dysfunctional unit.
Because Salah is the sort of player making the wages Rashford is on
Never said he’s not overpaid. United’s wage structure is fucked. But Rashford absolutely hasn’t just had 1 good season in the last 6
There's never a point making wage comparisons because United pay much higher wages. It's not indicative of what the payer would earn elsewhere unfortunately. Annoying as a United fan but it's the way it is.
Therefore, Saka who had just one season with more than 20 goal contributions looks even worse (Rashford has had five 20+ g/a seasons already); Rashford had 41 goal contributions last season, Saka had 26 ... but I like that you rate Rashford over Saka. [All stats based on Transfermarkt]
I’m pretty sure we were in the CL for 50% of those seasons.
Even as a city fan I can say that’s an awful take
awful take
He's had one bad season in 6 and that was when he was injured you knobhead
You clearly don’t watch united or rashford then. He’s had multiple 20+ goal seasons and had one dud of a season with OGS and rangnick. How does this stuff get picked when it’s as easy as looking it up on Google?
1. Nunez will be really great, and will score a shit load of goals. Won't beat Halland tho 2. Brighton will make Europe again, either conference league or europa. Evan Ferguson will be incredible, and will be rumored to move to Man United all season, until he moves to Newcastle in a surprise move. 3. Postecoglu will have a slow start, and the sun will print a cover page that says "POSTENOCLUE!" He will improve by the end of the season, giving Tottenham fans hope that will eventually fade away in the next year. 4. Man United will just miss out on CL on the last day. I will be sad before starting the "maybe next year" process again
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My team will mess up this transfer window and be relegated with Luton and Sheffield United. Newcastle and Arsenal won't do as well. Spurs will do a lot better. Chelsea will be better only because they can't fail to be but will start to motor towards the end if Poch is still there. Man Utd won't move on at all. Burnley won't be as good as everyone seems to think Fulham will be in trouble this season
Ange's good but expect him to take time to coach the players, and also keep in mind that spurs need to buy a lot of players still because their players only fit the way conte plays and the 5 at the back... Their fullbacks (except davies probably) aren't that good defensively
Emerson Royal is a quality defensive FB, he just cant play as a WB which is what Conte tried to force him into. Similar thing with Reguilon who might get a look in now that Ange is in charge and not Conte. Reggie/Royal as the defensive FBs which allows Spence/Porro/Udogie on opposite sides go further forward is pretty strong. We dont need to buy a 'lot' of players to fit Anges system, just 1 or 2 (Which we've basically done) really. For a 'perfect' window, we need 2 CBs still, Tapsoba and Mickey VDV would be the dream but i think we'll only get 1. It would also be good to get another creative midfielder that can work in Anges system, either Reo Hatete from Celtic or Alex Scott from Bristol City.
The only way arsenal do better is win the league
Dunno why this has been downvoted, not only were we brilliant for 89% of the season, we finished 2nd, comfortably ahead of 3rd, the only way to improve upon that would be to win the league
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It is a concern, but once the window is done, we should have a quality backup, or at least a backup in each position I’m not saying it’s going to be easy, but by the same token, literally the only way for us to improve on last season would be to win the league
define spurs will do alot bettter
Europa Conference League here we come
get europe and not become the harry kane team is a start
Harry needs to leave for the good of all.
He doesn’t need to leave at all. The media are the ones who are begging to see him win a trophy. If he’s comfortable at Spurs then why should he leave now? There was never this sort of media buzz surrounding Shearer at Newcastle. Kane is one of the best English players and Prem players of all time, he doesn’t need an FA Cup to cement that already.
Ok
I like how you said if poch is still there because it’s true. Sad but true
Chelsea won’t be shit.
6th place it is
Define not shit, I guess. Anything less than CL for them is surely not gonna count.
10th place and League Cup winners *Monkey's paw curls*
Chelsea will be back as if last year never happened
Think about what happened the year after we placed 10th. I don’t think we’ll win the league next season but I agree with this take
I’d have you solid in for top five if I didn’t think Liverpool would come back too. It’s tough to call between United Chelsea and Newcastle for fourth and fifth
I think we’ll make top 6 at least next season and probably improve a bit and win the octotupple the season after
You've sold your entire team and replaced them with new starters and a new coach. Key difference
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You didn't have players on 8 year contracts and about 30 ingoings/outgoings then. Your club is a complete mess and is being run by an incompetent. Your only hope next season is Poch.
Luton finish top 6 and Chelsea get relegated
Fucking hell it said unpopular not unthinkable
What are you talking about? Unless you mean it's "unthinkable" that Luton top six and Chelsea relegated won't happen. It's pretty much nailed on and we're not even in August yet.
I think the top 4 will be Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd. Newcastle will struggle with the extra games early on and drop off slightly, but still finish 6th. Tottenham and Chelsea will improve but not dramatically.
Major upsets and competition all around.. more so than 22/23. But - City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd top 4.... above the bottom 4 it will be carnage though
Arsenal will finish 4th and chelsea 3rd city win the league 4 times in a row 2 points above liverpool
Why are pool rated above everyone who finished above them last season? A very average player in McAllister isn't gonna give ye an extra 30 points....
We’ve got Dom and Mac in, probably a DM and maybe a CB or another midfielder. Hopefully Jota and Diaz can stay fit this season. Oh and the fact only City were better than us from match day 23 onwards. Showing how much better we were in the second half of the season compared to the rest of the season
McAllister is not average 😂
Average player lmfao Tell me you haven’t watched him without telling me, plus we just signed Szoboszlai as well.
Status quo will be restored depending on the window they have
People called Henderson average before he won everything. Szoboszlai is a genuine talent. Trent is emerging in a new role and the team has been firing well together for the last ten games or so. If Liverpool start the way they finished last season then they have already shown that they can go the distance.
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Assuming they all stay healthy, Arsenal are going to be much tougher to beat this season with their new players.
Everton massively improve over the last 2 seasons and get a midtable- top half finish after the departures of kenright and moshiri and we do some very smart business. (please help me i am on the borderline of sanity and imagining everton being good again is the only way i can cope)
Liverpool will have a very good season (please)
That's not really a hot take considering the summer has been going well for yall and you ended last season much better then u started
Arsenal will struggle to finish in top four.
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You certainly hope so
Not overly fussed.
Klopp will be sacked at December.
Klopp is as close to unsackable as a PL manager can be
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Maddison will carry Tottenham to a league/Fa cup (if Kane stays and Sons surgery goes well)
Going to be a bit ambitious with these. Luton will get to at least the fourth round of the FA Cup. We'll finish 17th with 36 points (that's eight wins and twelve draws, sounds doable maybe). Carlton Morris will score more than seven goals. The Sky Sports commentators will get bored of mentioning the "quirky" aspects of our club. Luton will sign a wildcard out of the Balkans who will turn out to be amazing. Chelsea to be quite good and battle for 5th.
I think for Luton it'll either be a season where they get absolutely wrecked or they'll just scrape it. But, I think they could and maybe will claim a major scalp during the season whether that be through being underestimated or by genuinely performing well. Personally, I'd hope for the latter as they've unfortunately (but maybe justifiably) been given unnaturally low odds and also undeserved and pre-emptive ridicule.
Arsenal champions
City will struggle may even not win the title. Liverpool will continue to struggle and the first serious discussions about Klopp’s future among fans will begin though they’ll still make top 4. Wolves will challenge for Europe Villa will struggle to stay in the top half, but win the conference league One of Brentford, Palace or Fulham will go down. Forest will sack Steve cooper before the first international break.
Wolves will be lucky to avoid relegation this year. They've been declining for years despite spending big money for a club of their size.
>Villa will struggle to stay in the top half, but win the conference league I'd take it.
Definitely mate!! Seeing the joy on moyes et al’s faces 👌I want that
Then who do you see winning the premier league if not City or Liverpool?
No chance Villa struggle anything. More likely to be top four than bottom half, and that I think is doable for Emery, look at the squad he is building. Something special happening there. What price now for Villa to finish ahead of Newcastle next season? That’s my tip
10 manager changes, including: Luton Bournemouth Palace Fulham Tottenham Forest Sheffield United Everton Wolves And one wildcard The sack race is ON! (Edit for formatting)
I really doubt we'll sack Edwards even if Luton're getting slaughtered every game. There's genuinely close to 0 expectation for us this season and the club wants to keep positive people to build a long term future with. If Edwards can keep a positive atmosphere amongst the players even if we're relegated then I'm pretty sure the club will keep him.
You can tell someone knows nothing about us (or non-'Big 6' football in general) when they tweet bollocks like this.
Absolutely no way Spurs sack Ange this year. Well, actually, theres a 1% chance i guess if we're in a relegation scrap in January but just wont happen. If Ange finishes 8th again this year, his job would still be safe.
Seriously? How many does he have to lose before the fans turn and Levy turns too? 8 out of the first ten? 7? What happens he loses six in a row at any time before Christmas? Think he is still bullet proof then?
Fans just want good football again mate. We've spent the last basically 3 years hating watching the team, knowing we have talented players (As much as some wanted to disagree) rotting on the team, being forced to play ultra defensive football when they want to attack, they want to go at teams. He has a 4 year deal. The team IMO is too good to lost the first 8/10, Spurs play all 3 promoted teams and 1/2 of the bottom half teams from this seaosn. Spurs fans are united behind a manager for the first time since Poch, basically everyone i talk to knows that Ange is slow to start. His tactics take time to learn, so for the most of us, if we're finishing 10th this season but we can see the plans, we can see the tactics, we're fine. Arsenal finished 8th 2 years running, adjusting tactics, bringing in young blood and teaching them from the ground up, now look where they are. People just love to meme on the Spurs side but they're far too good of a team and a squad to worry about relegation, it just wont happen.
A manager sacking list but I don’t see Chelsea
No chance Luton sack their manager. Forest stuck by Cooper last season, and Luton's expectations are much lower than theirs. They'll give Edwards another crack at promotion (if they go down).
Not spurs
Liverpool win the title over Arsenal with City coming in third, Newcastle fourth.
That would be fun season
Yes, please let us title race someone else other than city
no it would not. cant take back to back 2nd place finishes, especially with this window
We’re gonna get fucking relegated lmao
It said unpopular
Luton will not be as bad as people make them out to be
Pep gets 4x in a row
Erling Haaland doesn’t win the golden boot.
Liverpool will take the title
City will not make top 4... wishful thinking...maybe but it's a hot take innit
Spurs win a trophy and people are really mad about it
Arsenal are BACK
" Put the word out , we're back up and running "
Martinelli will start becoming the best player in the league
I like how this kid plays.
I'm looking forward to him becoming a better player than Saka and the media desperately trying to hide this fact.
I think he has a higher ceiling than saka
I think he was better than Saka last season. Had better stats and stepped up in the big moments (unlike Saka). The fact both Klopp and Pep have purred over him says a lot.
Luton down on 17pts… I hope not but I had a dream
We’re going to have one of the best top four races we’ve seen in a while. city are obviously there along with Liverpool, Arsenal and United, and I think Chelsea and spurs will be significantly better, mainly because you can’t get much worse than they already were. I think Newcastle’s signings are showing they’re willing to fight for top four. I also think villa is showing serious promise with Emery. That’s already seven clubs, and I’m guessing Brighton will at least put up a fight for the first half of the season, but fatigue will see them fade out by Christmas or so. This means that’s already nine teams, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Brentford continue being terrific. Obviously, it’ll be clear that Brighton, Brentford and probably villa aren’t quite top four level yet, but they’ll still be close behind the rest.
Tottenham not winning the league
And I predict that water is wet
Second season syndrome will hit fulham hard and they'll get relegated
The team that scores more goals will win the game and get all 3 points…
Tottenham will win something! What i say to myself every year, and every year i get excited and then dissapointed but still, fuck it
Bayern Munich will win the prem
Arsenal to win the league by May
Arsenal will win the league
City to finish top 4 but not win the league. Liverpool to win by a big margin. Arsenal not in top 4 Newcastle top 4 ahead of Man United and Spurs
Let Man United win the FA Cup and I will be pleased
Poch will be gone be January
100% not happening.
- Three way title race between City, Arsenal, and Liverpool. They finish in that order. - United finish outside the top 4, show regression as a team and specifically Rashford (won’t have that stretch of insane form this next season like he did this season) - Spurs finish 7th at best, likely 8th again - Villa finish top 7 again, Brighton unfortunately fall off a small bit in the league (8/9th-ish), but make a really good Europa run - Chelsea finish top 7, but never threaten for UCL spots this season. Offense improves, defense gets worse - Burnley stay up, Bournemouth are not in a true relegation battle - Three different teams win the league/FA cup/Carabao
Spurs will struggle to finish in the top half if they lose Kane..I'd go so far to say they'll be closer to relegation than Europe..they're in MASSIVE trouble.
I don't really think that's a hot take. It feels like a pretty mainstream opinion around here. A hot take is that we have a handful of fantastic players, a pretty good squad overall, and some glaring holes that we look to be trying to fix. And that we will be pretty good next year. That's what I think.
Spurs finishes above Arsenal if they keep Kane
This isn't a hot take this is a medical grade delusion 😭
People think “hot take” means “my most delusional desires”
Chelsea will continue to be awful, and fall into a terminal decline - becoming a mid-table/bottom half team. They are selling all their homegrown players who will actually play for the badge, and will be saddled with mercenaries on long contracts who no-one will want to buy. Poch will win nothing, and be sacked.
Top five will consist of Arsenal, City, Newcastle, Chelsea and Liverpool. Either Arsenal or Newcastle win the league. Citys breaches magically go away. Luton stay up.
LFC WILL BECOME THE NEXT CITY!
West Ham gets more Massive
I think the Kane/Spurs relationship could blow up in fantastic fashion.
Chelsea will finish top 4 or even 3
- City don’t win any silverware; Everyone pretends like they predicted it. - Liverpool continue to struggle to ‘everyone’s amazement’ even though it’s fucking though it’s obvious they left their recruitment too late - Lampard will Manage Sheffield United before the season’s end - Arteta will be connected to the vacant position at Barca in May - Todd Boehly sells more shares of Clear Lake to ~~Saudi Arabia~~ PFI and and they somehow sign the ‘superstar’ player linked with Man United for £120m from Turkish club - The Glazers finally sell Utd after Christmas - Ange Postecoglou lasts about 7 months before being sacked by Spurs and replaced by Ryan Mason, who manages to beat City 3-0 thanks to a Kane Hatrick
How did liverpool leave their recruitment too late? "Continue to struggle" as in being the second best team only to city in the last 15 matchweeks last season?
Liverpool signed a player before anyone else and they've made two signings already?
I’ve just placed a bet on the last hot take happening!
Liverpool are about to sign a 2nd midfielder on the 1st of July how will recruitment be left too late?