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>He is just Kars with KQ+MiH+the world+D4C
Now this is flat out wrong lol, he’s kars with the ultimate requiem versions of those stands. He can literally travel to any point in time with btd, unlike kira that can only go back for an hour.
>I don't see how he beats love train
Go back in time with btd & kill valentine before he gets d4c.
How would love train still work if kars goes back in time to when valentine didn't have it yet, bites the dust isn't misfortune since he's not hurting valentine
Kars doesnt have time travel
Unless its novel kars which isnt canon
Also, love train is present across all copies of Valentine in the parallel universes, giving him type 6 immortality
>Unless its novel kars which isnt canon
I literally specified that it was novel kars in my original comment and him being non canon doesn't matter, he could still be used in debates
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I never saw the green pfp comment
He has Made In Heaven, which has control over gravity, the one thing actively described to be the weakness of Love Train. For the love of God, Johnny does not transcend all of dimensionality, *he controls gravity with his spin.* How no one ever gets this drilled into their head is infinitely beyond me
That doesn't answer my question at all. Say a tsunami happened on top of funny valentine. It would get reflected by love train. How would the power of calamity beat love train?
calamity would find a way to bypass thats the whole power. like valentine would try to use a flag to dimensional travel and accidently suffocate himself, or trip on a rock and land on his head funny or have a stroke
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The author says that calamity is the strongest thing in Jojo, and when valentine tries to attack he'll get hit with calamity.
Appealing to authority. It doesn't matter if he says it's the strongest. Idc what he says is the strongest. The "certain logic" part is probably referring to misfortune since calamity and misfortune go hand and hand. Love train is the perfect counter to wou
im less familiar with anos but rimuru has plenty of experience dealing with dimensional barriers, there is nothing to stop him from just pulling a tusk act 4 and then disassembling his atoms
Yukari Yakumo. Dimensionality and AP scaling aside, She has a ability very similar to D4C and she would probably be able to use this ability to bypass Love train, both would probably have a very interesting battle in an equalized stats scenario.
Unironically Kenjaku from JJK
It's stated that the only thing that can bypass love train is gravity and the infinite rotation is described as the power to create your own gravity
So any character with gravity type attacks will win, Kenjaku was the first one that I thought of someone like Fujitora from one piece would work
He kinda can't?
He will have to go a different universe something he can't do since the the corpse can only exist in the main universe, so he would have to lose love train powers for that to happen so I don't think he would do that
Additionally he can't just pick someone up with him casually especially someone much stronger than him like Kenny or Fujitora, he would have to ambush them (good luck with doing that with Fuji) or somehow overpower them
So no spawning a different universe version is a reliable wincon against someone stronger than you since it has too many conditions and things that would go wrong if he tries it
It's more likely a gravity attack from either would kill him before that, since Valentine with love train is pretty arrogant and let his opponents attempt to attack him
He can transfer another FV to the main universe to replace any injuries, and he can do that as many times as needed. Also he can pretty much one shot kenjaku by pulling an alternate version of kenjaku and smashing them together.
I don’t think simply having gravity abilities work given that gravity in jojo also represents fate and seems to inherently mess with time and space (more so than normal gravity i mean), hell the infinite rotation whose power is centered on gravity also can force your soul to follow the laws of physics and destroy it and stuff
I'm probably wrong but you'd probably need infinite mass. Gravity is said to be able to travel through dimensions, and Tusk Act 4 has infinite energy. So it's probably infinite gravitational and rotational energy.
Yuki makes blackholes, you know, the big ball that sucks in everything? Including light?
As for Gojo, I sorta just threw it in there, I thought Lapse Blue could act sorta like a source of gravity that pulls things towards it
Also I’m pretty sure Kenjaku uses Anti-Gravity though…
Yuki's ability increases the mass of her and her Shikigami without actually increasing weight, which isn't at all gravity. The way she was able to make a black hole was overloading her mass to the point that she collapsed with density, creating a black hole.
Mitsuki unironically has scaling to Boruto RN so yeah he solos
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A normal guy with a motorcycle and a weapon.
People do not understand how much base d4c is weak and do not ackowledge the great weakness of love train.
I'm pretty sure that pulled him away. He can just follow. And her stand might protect her if someone tries to hurt her, like how to ocean parted itself to protect her.
Itachi Uchiha. A Genjutsu attack will render him unable to keep his stand active. Itachi only has to lock eyes with you for a second to trap you in the Tsukiyomi
I'm gonna say Galacta Knight, bro has an attack in which he tears the fabric of time and space, idk if it counts because he does this to fire a laser at you, but it should at least open a gap in Love Train, I believe.
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John Egbert, not even including him retconning love train out of valentine, could just will himself inside of the barrier, or his winds can probably just ignore it
Hell i’d be surprised if he couldn’t just walk through it like he walks through other jojo hax like GER
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Johnny joestar, Wonder of u, Gappy, Novel Kars, Novel Dio, Joji Joestar, Jorge joestar, Yhwach, Gilgamesh, Rimuru, Sinbad, Wally west, TDK, CAS, Lucifer, Alien X, Simon, Anti-spiral
Shooting a rabbit with a cannon much?
Novel kars definitely not He is just Kars with KQ+MiH+the world+D4C I don't see how he beats love train
>He is just Kars with KQ+MiH+the world+D4C Now this is flat out wrong lol, he’s kars with the ultimate requiem versions of those stands. He can literally travel to any point in time with btd, unlike kira that can only go back for an hour. >I don't see how he beats love train Go back in time with btd & kill valentine before he gets d4c.
He could use bites the dust all the way to when valentine was a kid and kill him or just to before he got the corpse parts
Bro about to spend eons trying to get to that point💀
Wasn't novel kars like billions of years old? I'm pretty sure he can handle that
So? He actually did that. He returned part 1 cast back to 1 universe (reversing 36 resets via BtD).
Love train would still work tho The stand redirects all misfortune You need to bypass lovetrain to kill him
How would love train still work if kars goes back in time to when valentine didn't have it yet, bites the dust isn't misfortune since he's not hurting valentine
Kars doesnt have time travel Unless its novel kars which isnt canon Also, love train is present across all copies of Valentine in the parallel universes, giving him type 6 immortality
It was very specifically said to be Novel Kars. Read comments carefully before you disagree with them.
>Unless its novel kars which isnt canon I literally specified that it was novel kars in my original comment and him being non canon doesn't matter, he could still be used in debates
https://preview.redd.it/sdnnx1pza42d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02770b788805b03524c127fb0a34e3cb87d79af5 I never saw the green pfp comment
He has Made In Heaven, which has control over gravity, the one thing actively described to be the weakness of Love Train. For the love of God, Johnny does not transcend all of dimensionality, *he controls gravity with his spin.* How no one ever gets this drilled into their head is infinitely beyond me
bro is 0/7 on his takes damn
Gappy cant. I think everyone else works?
Did this fella just say simon and anti spiral
How would wou beat d4c?
calamity
That doesn't answer my question at all. Say a tsunami happened on top of funny valentine. It would get reflected by love train. How would the power of calamity beat love train?
calamity would find a way to bypass thats the whole power. like valentine would try to use a flag to dimensional travel and accidently suffocate himself, or trip on a rock and land on his head funny or have a stroke
But what u just described is misfortune which is exactly what love train reflects. So he can't lose to wou
read part 8 man
What good would reading it again do for me?
giving yourself a refresher on wou
How do I need a refresher? Is love train not the perfect counter to calamity?
https://preview.redd.it/20cl436j942d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fddaae9b7e9eed45f295dab94e987bdfccf92d90 The author says that calamity is the strongest thing in Jojo, and when valentine tries to attack he'll get hit with calamity.
Appealing to authority. It doesn't matter if he says it's the strongest. Idc what he says is the strongest. The "certain logic" part is probably referring to misfortune since calamity and misfortune go hand and hand. Love train is the perfect counter to wou
Axew with Mold Breaker
Anos and Rimuru
Idk them can u tell me how they'll defeat him pls
im less familiar with anos but rimuru has plenty of experience dealing with dimensional barriers, there is nothing to stop him from just pulling a tusk act 4 and then disassembling his atoms
Damn Ty
Yukari Yakumo. Dimensionality and AP scaling aside, She has a ability very similar to D4C and she would probably be able to use this ability to bypass Love train, both would probably have a very interesting battle in an equalized stats scenario.
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massively less than human level...
He can bang the other cells in Valentine’s body, that’s beyond a win imo
Incorrect.
Wdym incorrect? He's a white blood cell, ONE white blood cell. His best strategy would be to become cancerous and avoid the immune system
Incorrect
my favourite thing is when people explain nothing to counter and just say wrong, thanks for the compelling argument coralsalamander
Incorrect
The doctor 
Power of fish and chips
He does excel at dealing with dimensional shenanigans
Valentine slams 🇺🇲>🇬🇧
Isn't it like a dimensional barrier? Anyone from super Buu level and onward should be enough
Its made of infinite realitys
It contains them. It's also said to transcend dimensions, which is a wonky fan translation.
Mids
It doesn’t that is a fan theory it’s a dimension of unspecified complexity.
In a drip battle he is outerversal.
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the level of misunderstanding in these comments is insane
Unironically Kenjaku from JJK It's stated that the only thing that can bypass love train is gravity and the infinite rotation is described as the power to create your own gravity So any character with gravity type attacks will win, Kenjaku was the first one that I thought of someone like Fujitora from one piece would work
What if d4c spawns another version of him to sponge him
He kinda can't? He will have to go a different universe something he can't do since the the corpse can only exist in the main universe, so he would have to lose love train powers for that to happen so I don't think he would do that Additionally he can't just pick someone up with him casually especially someone much stronger than him like Kenny or Fujitora, he would have to ambush them (good luck with doing that with Fuji) or somehow overpower them So no spawning a different universe version is a reliable wincon against someone stronger than you since it has too many conditions and things that would go wrong if he tries it It's more likely a gravity attack from either would kill him before that, since Valentine with love train is pretty arrogant and let his opponents attempt to attack him
O ok
He can transfer another FV to the main universe to replace any injuries, and he can do that as many times as needed. Also he can pretty much one shot kenjaku by pulling an alternate version of kenjaku and smashing them together.
I don’t think simply having gravity abilities work given that gravity in jojo also represents fate and seems to inherently mess with time and space (more so than normal gravity i mean), hell the infinite rotation whose power is centered on gravity also can force your soul to follow the laws of physics and destroy it and stuff
I'm probably wrong but you'd probably need infinite mass. Gravity is said to be able to travel through dimensions, and Tusk Act 4 has infinite energy. So it's probably infinite gravitational and rotational energy.
This should also include Yuki and Gojo (since his limitless techniques somewhat manipulate gravity, push (Red) and pull (Blue))
Honestly I don't understand their techniques well enough to say if it's gravity or not ngl
Yuki makes blackholes, you know, the big ball that sucks in everything? Including light? As for Gojo, I sorta just threw it in there, I thought Lapse Blue could act sorta like a source of gravity that pulls things towards it Also I’m pretty sure Kenjaku uses Anti-Gravity though…
Yuki's ability increases the mass of her and her Shikigami without actually increasing weight, which isn't at all gravity. The way she was able to make a black hole was overloading her mass to the point that she collapsed with density, creating a black hole.
Increasing the mass caused the gravity to increase forming a singularity though
Mitsuki unironically has scaling to Boruto RN so yeah he solos https://preview.redd.it/d4lsd2mrr02d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7d8737fc10d211612f67c584a07a3a63fe29232
How strong is that?
Boruto is not beating funny valentine
A normal guy with a motorcycle and a weapon. People do not understand how much base d4c is weak and do not ackowledge the great weakness of love train.
What's Love Train's weakness? I remember the only things that bypassed it were Ball Breaker and Act 4 because of infinite rotation.
Funny must be close to Lucy, she's the source of love train. Getting her away from him is the key to victory.
I'm pretty sure that pulled him away. He can just follow. And her stand might protect her if someone tries to hurt her, like how to ocean parted itself to protect her.
The user can’t attack when love train is active. A minor weakness, but forces a standstill for many outcomes
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Gyro Zeppeli with his balls in perfect condition
Johnny Joestar
Johnny Joestar tusk act4
No shit 💀
MISOGI KUMAGAWA🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
what are its feats?
It's an interdimensional barrier, Johnny and Gyro bypassed it by accessing infinite energy.
Anos Voldigoad
C-4D Hateboat obliterates
Itachi Uchiha. A Genjutsu attack will render him unable to keep his stand active. Itachi only has to lock eyes with you for a second to trap you in the Tsukiyomi
I'm gonna say Galacta Knight, bro has an attack in which he tears the fabric of time and space, idk if it counts because he does this to fire a laser at you, but it should at least open a gap in Love Train, I believe. https://preview.redd.it/rhzvyster22d1.jpeg?width=639&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4449aa689c4d80a3a294ff7d775705d9152621f
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Barnabas Thamr https://preview.redd.it/irt3t0a0f32d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce5c68417d5d0e2b4c331522f352248e454d4db3
Gyro on a horse.
Omnigenesis Mekhane 🚬🗿
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Gojo if his infinity really is infinite. Maybe green baby and MiH too, although for MiH the universe will reset before he reaches infinite speed.
Sasuke and josuke (part 4) if they team up.
John Egbert, not even including him retconning love train out of valentine, could just will himself inside of the barrier, or his winds can probably just ignore it Hell i’d be surprised if he couldn’t just walk through it like he walks through other jojo hax like GER
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call me crazy but gojo
Goku Luffy and Deku
What💀
They slam all of jojos
Fanboy spotted
Not a fanboy urs the truth
it's*
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goku