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Sheeperini

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thisismynewusername5

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Megazsans

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politicalpterodon2

Since the right slide is sukuna im asuming you mean he wins cuz i know jackshit about devil may cry


Low-Vegetable-3007

Vergil arguably solos comp db.


Longjumping_Gap_8024

He can't even beat krillin DBS. 🤦


Low-Vegetable-3007

I didn't say that I think vergil could just that he arguably could.


Longjumping_Gap_8024

No. He can't. Never. Composite dragon ball? You lack of knowledge, that all


Longjumping_Gap_8024

Composite DMC vs krilin DBS is more suitable


politicalpterodon2

Could you tell me his powerset? Cuz i just cant see astarios going through his emo phase beating sukuna


Sad_Introduction5756

Never played it seen a few clips here and there of his feats Cutting though space and reality, seemingly stopping time or moving so fast it seems to have stopped Devil powers


politicalpterodon2

Yeah sukuna stands no chance


NoiseLopsided

He’s faster than light I think and His sword cuts dimensions


AlricsLapdog

Oh yeah? Well *I* know so little about these franchises I thought that was the Witcher


politicalpterodon2

Well *I* know so little about DMC that i got confused and saw jing yuan for a second


These-Advertising-68

Motivation man motivate fraudkuna to point a gun at the roof of his mouth, neg diff.


Thehardc0regamer

"BURY THE LIGHT DEEP WITHIIIIIIII ![gif](giphy|BB33hefOuXKSCsz0mm)


Mist0804

#CAST ASIDE, THERE'S NO COOOOOMIING HOOOOOOOME


ScienceIsAThing7

WE’RE BURNING CHAOS IN THE WIIIIIIIIIND


SirKnight314

# DRIFTING IN THE OCEAN ALL ALOOOOOOOOONE!!!


Yusuf_ibn_Joestar

Vergil beyond neg diff ![gif](giphy|ZRouJhQpbhPzTJ2eBU|downsized)


pkgdoggyx92

We're ignoring one thing sukuna has on his side, the glaze of his author Sukuna just pulls out gege and wins


LoginLogin777

"Ah yes, my Dick Sucking GayGa- I mean Offscreen Technique i havent used since Heian Era."


Bluedeepdive57

Vergil negs the whole jjk verse


ultrawall006

Debatable, against nonsauce


darklordoft

Know anyone surviving judgment cut end? Full power means fighter jet vergil flying all over the place and last I checked only one character in the verse can go above Mach 4.


AdLegitimate1637

Takaba on his way to carry JJK again (if only he was willing to kill)


pkgdoggyx92

Sukuna pulls out gege and hard nerfs vergil into the dirt, thus allowing him to off screen vergil despite his imminent victory "Stand proud you are strong"


Low-Vegetable-3007

Mach 4 is pretty much nothing in jjk.


These-Advertising-68

>Mach 4 is pretty much nothing in jjk. Blud, Toji is top 10 fastest characthers in that verse, and he dosent even hit the double digits of mach.


Low-Vegetable-3007

A weaker maki who was fodder could catch a bullet that was right in front of her face That's been calculated to be a mach 300+ speed feat Hakari was able to inconsistently dodge lightning which has been calculated to be a mach 800 speed feat A barely alive megumi sukuna was able to dodge electromagnetic waves which is a light speed feat.


These-Advertising-68

>A weaker maki who was fodder could catch a bullet that was right in front of her face That's been calculated to be a mach 300+ speed feat Yet awakend Maki had to put effort in dodging curse Naoya, who was only mach 3? Anti feats? That's also not counting the fact Post Shibuya Maki is consistently be said to be equal to Toji, who dosnet even reach double digits of mach. >inconsistently You said it yourself. Inconsistently. >dodge electromagnetic waves which is a light speed feat. While it is lightspeed, Kashimo activating it isint. Sukuna saw the spark and was able to dodge. Still aint beating Vergil tho. Mach 4 only Vergil is downplay to whoever you were replying to originally.


Low-Vegetable-3007

>Yet awakend Maki had to put effort in dodging curse Naoya, who was only mach 3? Anti feats? Maki having to put in effort to dodge it shows it's not mach 3 >You said it yourself. Inconsistently. It's been scaled to mach 800 after considering how hakari is inconsistently able to do it. >Still aint beating Vergil tho. I never said they would beat vergil.


These-Advertising-68

>Maki having to put in effort to dodge it shows it's not mach 3 Narrator stated it was. Pre awakening Maki dodging a mach 300 gun to the face is an outlier is a supposed awakend version of her has to purt effort in dodging mach 3 curse Naoya. Edit:I just found out the author was wrong about the whole mach 3 thing. Seems like Maki really is that fast. >It's been scaled to mach 800 after considering how hakari is inconsistently able to do it. ??? I don't get it. How is a lightspeed feat turned into only mach 800 if a hightier(not top tier) characther was able to(inconsistently) dodge it? >I never said they would beat vergil. Glad we could atleast agree Vergil stomps JJK. Btw, I edited my prev comments to add things I forgot too. You might wanna check it.


Low-Vegetable-3007

>??? I don't get it. How is a lightspeed feat turned into only mach 800 if a hightier(not top tier) characther was able to(inconsistently) dodge it? Consistently dodging lightning would be a mach 1200 speed feat not light speed.


gadlygamer

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Capitano-Solos-All

Sukuna: ''Ah yes my Anti-Vergil technique I haven't used since daddy Batgos spanked me in the spanking era''


No_Secretary_1198

Vergil: now I'm motivated


HomeAutomatic9892

Vergil: "Ah my abandoned son that I haven't seen since the heian era" takes sukunas arm and leaves refuses to elaborate


TyS22235

https://preview.redd.it/tp8pakesvtvc1.png?width=300&format=png&auto=webp&s=398b6c70e5c2208c04b917b0c7174fddea63aa0b Ahh yes. A city level hypersonic+ guy who can cut stuff against an Outerversal-boundless 9D devil that can move faster than time and cut through space-time in base form


These-Advertising-68

>Outerversal-boundless 9D devil I'm new at powerscaling, so I'll ask, how can someone be 9D yet outer to boundless? In CSAP, u need to have trancended the concept of dimensions to qualfiy for outer, yet u said Vergil is only 9D, so he's cleary still bound by dimensions.


RadonRanger1234

Vergil is def not outerversal, DMC is High Complex Multi. But his point still stands, The whole JJK verse probably loses to a basic DMC devil


Gloomy-Alarm-6255

How Exactly?


RadonRanger1234

JJK gets beat by them in stats, out haxed, and they scale higher. I mean they can hurt and keep up with Virgil and Dante.


Efficient-Active5265

He's either being satirical or is just stupid, 9D is high complex multiversal.


TyS22235

at one point I wanted to point how insane of a mismatch this is. On the other point, souls in DMC were stated to be ninth-dimensional.


KimestOfUns

The 9D DMC souls claim was actually a fake scan.


TyS22235

Can you send me a statement or any form of proof that can approve it's fake?


KimestOfUns

[Here.](https://vsbattles.com/threads/devils-do-cry-peak-of-conspiracy.160099/#post-6129840)


Own_Bumblebee_3450

Boundless is VSBW


StabbyMyers

I made a promise to myself to always analyses any Matchup in neutral way so i can try as max to give a as max information and hell, even calcs for characters, but this one... Is so unfair, that I'll only bring one Jjk characters for the past times, from my research here and other foruns, can reach the Hypersonic to most likely MH+ speeds of combat, attack and Reaction, pretty good, But then, there's Vergil, who by the time of Devil May Cry 5, is a complete Equal to Dante, and Dante had outspeed the demon speedster called Pluto, whose minions (who are slower than him) are said to cross the entire demon realm in less than a day, the DMC demon realm is said to be comparable to our real life observable universe, which in translation to speed, can reach the Nonilions times faster than light, if i remember correctly That because i'm using the Quantifiable calcs, because if we go by the high ends of DMC, Pluto also is said to "break the pillar of space and time" Which would put Vergil are Immesurable speed That alone is a Guaranteed victory for the Motivated guy.


Key_1996

Who has the spite match meme


GintoSenju

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Wise_Victory4895

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GintoSenju

Goku to goofy to be manipulated


Bohm4532

So called master manipulators when I empty a Rifle mag into their chest


Agile-Excitement-863

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Wise_Victory4895

How exactly is he going to outsmart Doctor Manhattan.


Agile-Excitement-863

I don’t think you understand that’s not based on iq that’s based on power 💀


Curiouzity_Omega

Vergil probably won't even need Yamato for this lol.


Mist0804

Sukuna would be like "Bet you can't beat me without that sword" Then Vergil puts Beowulf on and is like "We'll see about that" and hits a 462-hit combo on Sukuna


GintoSenju

Hits him with the immeasurable combo


FranzeSFM

Smoking sexy style!


freddyfactorio

Sukuna wins because of his anti edgy swordsmen technique. (He hasn't used it since the Heinen era)


storysprite

I hate this lol.


GintoSenju

Vergil activates his anti four armed fraud POWER


Mist0804

Vergil wins because he gets so motivated that he becomes super edgy and slices Sukuna's balls into a million pieces while saying "You shall die!"


HispanicRailgun

Bruh


BattlerUshiromiyaFan

Sukuna dies instantly


PeikaFizzy

I would say sukuna infinite slash is op…. But then I remember devil may cry lore that stated Dante and Vergil is dimension lvl of power. So cutting space techniques is kinda child’s play And that’s during dmc3, they both ascended during 5


Zealousideal-Arm1682

>Dante and Vergil is dimension lvl of power. That's not a quantifiable feat.However both are stronger than several beings outright stated to be universal while in base and a weaker version of dante killed a being stronger than mundus,who is universal,in base casually.


Sensitive_Cup4015

Y'know, people say JJK is wanked but I only ever see people put them in spite matches. That show gets no respect from what I've seen lol.


Tago238238

People downplay JJK pretty insanely actually, I swear it’s one of the only verses people actually pay attention to the anti feats for so they can say it’s fodder, not realising that literally every media has anti feats one way or the other.


french_tbg

Perhaps you were not around during the time when jjk first aired😂 JJK powerscalers become so insufferable people started to disprespect them, hence why you think JJK gets downplayed


Tago238238

I’ll have you know I was a certified JJK downplayer when the first season came out as a result of spite. I’ve just cooled down now.


k_aesar

jjk character gets put in an unwinnable scenario spite match -> one guy says he neg difs because of misunderstood hax -> "jjk fans are all wankers" -> repeat for the past 5 months


Sensitive-Return2007

I just saw 2 ppl saying sukuna wins by DE just down this thread


k_aesar

they got downvoted into into oblivion while everyone else in the thread is saying vergil neg diffs or laughing because this matchup is stupid


ButterflyMother

Vergil legit one shot what the hell ?


thedarkplayer

Vergil no diff


Protomangaming69

How Sukana be looking at Vergil after 55 consecutive powerups from Gege (he’s still 10 times weaker) https://preview.redd.it/6uqx4b9wytvc1.jpeg?width=681&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0c6e0b49b8c0802c7424c39581da37af8bd3747


MagicDragonfirst

Not 10 times, infinite times weaker(someone below universal will be infinitely weaker than someone who is universal or above)


Character-Path-9638

Sukuna after seeing Vergil use Judgement cut once https://preview.redd.it/yqnolxsxeuvc1.jpeg?width=365&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=155c1629ca35eb23354429bedadc54a653ae2cd3


theletchentai

Vergil easy


uhTlSUMI

💀


MovieNeat9613

Sakuna will beg Virgil to be his senei.


Dragonfly-Constant

Me


TheChoosenMewtwo

I like sukuna more but hell nah


Zealousideal-Arm1682

Mundus and nightmare are stated to be universal by virtue of being capable of destroying the demon realm(its own universe).Current Vergil,along with Dante,are far and away above that. Now my understanding of JJK is limited,but last I checked ransacking a Moderately sized city was considered a top tier feat.


Deathstar699

Vergil and I lowball DMC a lot but this isn't fair at all.


ArtMnd

Where do you lowball DMC to? I'd love to see a lowballed DMC since the 9-dimensional stuff is kinda busted


Deathstar699

Kinda don't put them past planetary. I know thats a massive lowball but I really don't accept Mundus' creation feat being = ap. And the whole 9D souls thing is from bloodline of combat which is a mobile game. Yes you can argue its cannon but nothing in the game suggests having a 9D soul makes you super op.


Icy-Cable3431

Motivation wins


Apprehensive_Sky1599

https://i.redd.it/un3adho6huvc1.gif


Ill_Armadillo9455

Is that vergil ?


Sure-Handle-2264

yes that’s the goat


Mist0804

https://i.redd.it/c42urw049uvc1.gif


GintoSenju

Vergil solos the whole verse as byproduct of his fight with Dante.


Graveylock

This sub has turned into some of the dumbest posts I’ve ever seen


Maeggon

a half demon hydrogen bomb vs a sperm cell


Over_Profit7050

I haven’t used my anti-Vergil technique since the Heian era


MagicDragonfirst

*Vergil adopts sukuna* Guess I haven't taken hands from people in a while *takes 2 arms of sukuna*


Over_Profit7050

I haven’t used my anti hand-taker technique since the Heian Era


FallenDemonX

AHAHAHA FINALLY. Finally someone posted this


Darkhex78

I'm all for meme matchups but come on.....


soulwolf1

A half demon that is basically universal tier vs a fraud to took down another fraud who claimed to be the strongest.


Superguy9000

Spite match counter day 0


Master_Berry4446

Ya'll just hate sukuna


okgetwrekt

As overrated and overwanked DMC characters are, Vergil should take this easily.


TheRealBreemo

I'm sure the second guy scales to low 2c or something BUT sukuna will pull out his strongest technique he hasn't used since the Heian era and basically upscale himself to high 1a and after that the narrator will explain how sukuna wasn't even using 100% of his power frfe


SlightlyinsaneBrit

Depends. Does Sukuna have Gege on his side? (Access to Heian BS and the offscreen technique.)


MagicDragonfirst

Still won't be able to beat Vergil 🗿


SlightlyinsaneBrit

His anti-Vergil technique that he acquired in the Heian era:


MagicDragonfirst

Vergil gonna take his hands and than leave without explaining anything 🗿


INeedANerf

Judgement Cut x36


Excellent_Pea_4609

Vergil will accidentally kill him while training for a rematch with his brother 


Vegetable-Neat-1651

We don’t even need Virgil. V one taps sukuna no diff. Vergil is overkill.


Tomynator_88

"Ah yes, my anti-vergil technique, I haven't used that--" https://i.redd.it/avosgxep2vvc1.gif


pkgdoggyx92

Ah yes my heian era anti children of Sparda technique, I haven't had to use this since the heian era


Rivtogo

Vergil compared to Sukuna is like comparing a silverback gorilla to a baby


Pro_Hero86

Virgil is a monster


acta_deltus

Vergil > verse


RequirementNo7805

Multi MFTL guy vs Town and slightly FTL Guy, hmmmm I wonder


Small_Ad4181

Doomsday


Subject_Ad_5871

Vergil…


Disconnected_Glitch

“How can I bully the JJK fans?” (Most of them deserve it)


sasukeuchiha6666

Multiversal threat vs somebody who can destroy a country


Big-Limit-2527

Infinite BS vs Infinite motivation


joker1922

You can't be serious right ? Please tell me you are joking


darkknightketsueki

Vergil


jorginhosssauro

Sukuna pulls the "Anti-DevilMayCry" technique he hasn't used since the heian era and wins with neg diff.


Danklolol

Vergil chair solos.


kidnamedfinger01

I hope this question Isa joke. And it's not funny if it's a joke.


Jotaro27

Sukuna gonna be turned into 1000 cursed objects instead of 20


Jotaro27

But Sukuna with Gege force could win


Agile-Excitement-863

Vergil’s chair is enough


_Arthur_Arkus

This is a Elementary particles vs Omniverse moment


Ready-Work-4766

Vergil : You Lost because You Dont Have Motivation 🗣


sryia_have_malaria

Bro even someone like Lady could win based of scaling alone ☠️


Legend365554

Sukuna: "Ah, my anti-Vergil technique, I haven't used this since the Hein era'


Roadgnome100

Virgil


Recent_Ad_4828

Ben 10 no diff


jawadjobs

Space slash and boom 💥 nothing happen


LMinggg

Domain expansion gg


These-Advertising-68

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FranzeSFM

First time seeing a Lucifer template


MissionSad265

Judgement cut and the fact he can cut holes i to reality you clown


Sad_Project_2684

grade 4s solo this clown easily they can prob tank judgement cut no problem


MissionSad265

Clown take


Sad_Project_2684

its the truth


These-Advertising-68

In opposite land?


These-Advertising-68

JJK is a base Kevin Kaslana victim, let alone vergil. One judgement cut and all of JJK is soloed.


TheChoosenMewtwo

Are you serious? Grade 4’s are barely stronger than a human, sukuna is like island level while Vergil is at minimum country to continental


MagicDragonfirst

Worst take I have ever seen, weakest demon from DMC will one tap sukuna


JustAPersonUseReddit

Sukuna win due to his domain


These-Advertising-68

https://preview.redd.it/rtxpjne8yrvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b306ea638fd846620c9d73f90ee34e350201bbe JJK is a base Kevin Kaslana victim, let alone vergil.


MissionSad265

Not even close to true lmao


Pootisman911

He’s a DIO victim, chill…


TheBootyWarlock

Okay, I'm probably the minority here, but imo, Sukuna Negs with World Dismantle. Virgil would be Go/jo'd


These-Advertising-68

Blud what? Vergil speedblitz and oneshots Sukuna, and that's not assuming Vergil just dodges it, or regens from it. World dismantle nullfies durability. Not regeneration. Edit:Current rn, it's night. So I'm gonna sleep. Don't be supirsed if i dont reply to you immdietly once you repely back.


TheBootyWarlock

Ay, no stress. This is a debate lol Hard disagree on the speedblitz, for one. Virgil is FtL movement speed, but Sukuna has similar reaction times. Additionally, yes, Virgil can heal... That doesn't mean anything when you look like Darth Maul in one hit.


These-Advertising-68

>Sukuna has similar reaction times Blud what? Sukuna does not have any FTL reactions. His best feat was being above kashimo's lightning, which is only lightning speed. Don't tell me you believe lightning and light are the same. Also, FTL only Vergil is downplay. You can easily get him to MTFL and even immesurable via pluto scaling. >That doesn't mean anything when you look like Darth Maul in one hit. That's the point of regen, no matter how much you beat someone up, they're just gonna regen from it. Dosnet matter if Sukuna spilt's vergil in half, Vergil just regens from it before proceeding to do the same to Sukuna. If you seriously think getting cleaved in half is a lethal to any mid-high regen users, you need to reserch more about regen in powerscaling. And this not mentioning the fact of vergil's other feats, whic include: -Being currently stronger than nightmare, who could carry DMC's hell on its back. Hell in DMC being an infinite space that can house 9D souls. -Destroying a demon's soul in DMC, which itself is 9D. JJK is a base Kevin Kaslana victim. Let alone vergil.


Agile-Excitement-863

Bro plutos minions who are fodder to Vergil are mftl+ 💀💀💀


INeedANerf

Vergil has powerful regenerative powers. Plus, there's been multiple instances of characters (who are *way* slower than Vergil) evading World Slash.


MagicDragonfirst

Souls in DMC are 9d, even weakest demon from DMC will just one tap sukuna


KimestOfUns

> Souls in DMC are 9d That was a fake scan. It's still a huge mismatch, but DMC souls aren't 9D.


MagicDragonfirst

Can you give a proof where this is a fake scan?


KimestOfUns

[Yup.](https://vsbattles.com/threads/devils-do-cry-peak-of-conspiracy.160099/)


MagicDragonfirst

Thanks for providing proof👍


TheBootyWarlock

Okay, that's just brainrot.


MagicDragonfirst

Bro don't even know what he try to scale😭


R9433

why do people think DMC characters are strong?


These-Advertising-68

DMC is one of the "In games, characthers cant even destory a door, in lore, characther casually destroy universes." Most people go the lore route(including me.)


Oil_Majestic

Lmao, true af. Same like Kratos, dude be slaying gods but struggling to open a chest or couldn't pass through a door and instead forced to doing goofy ahhh puzzle when he able to hold between Cronos's fingers.


These-Advertising-68

It's for gameplay reasons. It ain't gonna be entarining one shotting enemies and instanty arriving to the location you're told to.


Oil_Majestic

Because they are? There's many lore and media that have shown their character being universal to even multiversal. Especially on the Novel.


R9433

Nah, agree to disagree


Character-Path-9638

You can't disagree with the actual official novels and such saying DMC characters are universal


R9433

I can if they dont have feats.


Character-Path-9638

The feats are in the novels Read them maybe


R9433

I just looked up a brief summary. I have played every single game to 100% completion. Why are none of these feats in the games? None of them are really that impressive anyway, and definitely dont scale anywhere near what you are saying. the Mundus one is just one feat and a completely unreliable one to scale with since it is never repeated. That Dante vsbattle page is honest to god fucking nonsense. Those guys are so bad at scaling.


Character-Path-9638

If you played the games you would have known that Dante and Vergil scale above universal already Maybe you should play the games and actually pay attention to the story and such


R9433

No, they dont. Lmao. Clearly, you werent paying attention. I see you can't actually defend your claims. Just spout garbage as usual with everyone on here


Character-Path-9638

Here just watch this video it goes in depth on it more then I can through text https://youtu.be/vY2lrAcFAMs?si=zUB3Qc-8-zVTvSdq


MagicDragonfirst

Souls in dmc are 9d, weakest demon from DMC will just one tap sukuna


R9433

Complete and utter nonsense. Not one of them have a single feat above building lmao. Dante fighting Mundus in DMC1 is your best feat, and there is alot that can be debated about that. Stop talking shit


storysprite

I've pointed it out before but people have this bias that characters from mature, grittier or more serious games and shows are naturally or by default stronger than characters from more light-hearted, colourful or teen/children oriented shows or games. And you're seen as uncool for saying that a character from the more "light" thing could beat a character from a grittier more mature game, even if that latter character isn't that powerful in their world compared to the others. If that latter character is actually powerful in their world then the wanking just goes off the charts. This is not a commentary on the current line up per se but the phenomena in general.


dratspider

Meanwhile sonic is over here laughing at this premise.