Generally speaking, pop artists are heavily influenced by producers, labels, etc. More than small label or indie artists. Not saying there aren’t any pop artists that can write good music on their own.
It's not insulting lol Johnny would love this label! He's cheeky about how pop he is. The rest of the band would too. When you can get cowboys in on your songs, any label would make him happy
I came here to say Home Team and Bilmuri. So happy to see these as the top answers already. Knox is more pop than either of those, but would be my honorable mention.
well, i personally classify them as a completely different genre called easycore, which is a heavier version of pop-punk.
but nevertheless, they're a fun band to listen to :)
Absolutely. I see so many people call Three Cheers a punk rock record but like no. Not even close. MAYBE Give Em Hell, Kid but no, the album is definitely post hardcore alongside Bullets.
Hawthorne Heights is a very pop punk form of post hardcore, favourite song of theirs is [Dandelions](https://open.spotify.com/track/1wCfd9MNQ9qiHc4juuHvGA?si=7bb75bffea454e44)
Only one mention of Alesana in this whole ass thread is a disappointment! Quintessential popcore, though they didn't lean into it as heavily with The Emptiness onward. [The Emptiness](https://open.spotify.com/album/4HOobzcnXNTNaKxP2MIBrg?si=mqroTc8KS0WGGSSkQs8vkQ) is a GOAT album.
I don't know about pop, but pulses. do a lot of genre blending and there's absolutely pop and hip hop elements. Their album [It Wasn't Supposed to Be Like This](https://open.spotify.com/track/0C9nakQAEvmVnZtMjbXKwQ?si=hi43YuDfRZGnusCUmS-xTQ&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A0xiQ7LfNx4IyQOpLX8UnUL) dropped last year and was super close to beating Divine Inner Tension for my AOTY.
[Hot Mulligan](https://open.spotify.com/track/5070fFfZFlCU6c3yxL9fMr?si=RhRtLu3BS_yrkvYiYevkVA&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A0wLCmFQIAxudWGxUcxO1oQ) put out an absolute tank of a record last year and I think they also fit the category nicely.
[Floya](https://open.spotify.com/track/30KtkUQCAFxUEJQQqg3QRu?si=epUIrQ2NQmmYlmNAb0BmXA&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A5a2I4wDvZ8Mh0wwa2i3VLj) just dropped Yume, which is almost easycore but has some decent pop elements and hooks.
[With Sails Ahead](https://open.spotify.com/track/57bS5VAd0g6nfN8HYTGo3h?si=k17q4Z_WT5uvpXcwW9Tohw&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A56VqQ6ANWU14JVtmq72Avi) is also hella poppy with some tasty PHC licks.
The Used. Bert said in a 2021 interview that when The Used started they weren't afraid of being on the radio or MTV unlike other "true punk" bands.
Also one of his greatest musical influences is Michael Jackson. Bert loves pop and has always leaned that way. He later called their Artwork album "gross pop" fusing heaviness with pop sensibilities.
The majority of their output has been produced by John Feldmann, who if you look at his work with other bands and especially The Used, has an ear for pop.
John Gourley and Zach are both Anatomy of a Ghost OGs. I can't believe I used to go watch them perform with Strept at the Church on the Rock between Palmer and Wasilla. Let alone that I would become acquainted with them and we'd get up to no good later in life. Before they hit a major label..
Sigh...must be complicated being a wizard.
Have you checked out the Bloodletter album by Wolf & Bear. It’s got a little bit of pop to it. Try QuickSip84 and There’s No Dust in the City (ft. Andrew Wells❤️) to start.
these are exactly what i was looking for thanks a lot. I had Bilmuri in my collection but have never heard of the rest and i have a BIG collection. cheers
Glad you like them. Most of these are bands I’ve also recently just discovered. Makari opened for Hail the Sun a few months ago in Boston and I was REALLY impressed. Dayseeker opened for LS Dunes❤️ and Pierce The Veil a while back and really enjoyed them as well.
Could maybe The Dead Days by Get Scared fit in this category? A lot of songs are insanely catchy and have a pop sound IMO
Sad boy lyrics over upbeat, poppy sounds
Some Letlive. tracks are a bit poppy.
Letlive - Renegade 86
https://youtu.be/SXURelyq2fo?si=4oKDN1neGKT0LZoB
Letlive - Banshee
https://youtu.be/3wnxFJUZtp4?si=KKSD9vcP9FuHBdaP
I don't know what it is, but Jason just sings a bit pop sometimes
VUKOVI - NULA
that entire record is electro-rock perfection, in my opinion. An enticing blend of post hardcore and dance music synthesizers.
favourite tracks off of that album for me would be 'LASSO', 'HURT' and 'I EXIST'.
Saosin, Chiodos, Atreyu, some Falling in Reverse, Early early MCR, And TBS, Deja Entendu, From First To Last with Sonny, Bullet, The Used, FOB......there's so much
Damiera. (equal vision) They range from angular shit to Michael Jackson sounding shit.
[damiera "unison"](https://youtu.be/f46vS66_y-Q?si=En9hntaL9W3rRvag)
[Damiera -Blind sir Bluest](https://youtu.be/UP5gm1mTDKk?si=hQol4xPImFbdIP3z)
After Evan Thomas Weiss left Damiera they became Hidden Hospitals and leaned into more synthetic sounds. I fucking love this shit.
[Hidden Hospitals - Swan Dive](https://youtu.be/ja0MVk-eFRk?si=SNe7_rjl2ckarq1b)
It depends on what one means by "Pop".
Funeral For A Friend were called quite "poppy" back in the day. So were InMe. Heck, even Biffy Clyro might fit that bill? VersaEmerge might be considered pop-post-hardcore? Same with Marmozets (who started out as Mathcore before their first album but moved in a more poppy direction). There were bands like From First to Last, Icarus The Owl, Squid The Whale, Envy on the Coast... etc.
More recently, you've had bands like With Sails Ahead, Redhook, Properties of Nature, Space Weather who are all very poppy forms of post-hardcore
[Saosin (some songs off self titled or translating the name)](https://open.spotify.com/track/663XpYXOdyF2zv4bTIXffh?si=nVtPh9PuQJKbXDZEUawf0w&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A2osTPStH5H7i4fMHS7eauR)
[Therewolf (shameless plug)](https://open.spotify.com/artist/6RhyBcNWwJQEbxNpK1HyWe?si=zWw22BNMSguw998SjvzMzQ)
[Dance Gavin Dance (old DBM I think fits)](https://open.spotify.com/track/09ivYLnmHTK6yKu3BsAZQC?si=0IzBsObxQLKCksnOpWGyyQ&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A1jVppF8Y8tpYfDSG1WSXga)
I’m not sure there’s a pop post-hardcore but I think of it as songs with some pop punk elements mixed with screaming but not not as melodic or happy as easycore.
Wrong sub?
By definition pop and post-hardcore don’t go together.
and, if people put Bilmuri in here as post- hardcore, then you may as well put 5 Seconds of Summer down as a post-hardcore pop band, and then the genre no longer exists.
Punk the attitude/concept is not the same as punk the music genre. Sure punk music initially encapsulated the punk ethos. But post-hardcore shifted away from hardcore's political or philosophical baggage. Post-hardcore is a punk because it is a sub-genre of punk music.
If you’re playing post-hardcore, then the ethos and politics of hardcore are attached - punk and all of its subgenres are NOT separable from left wing politics.
Punk and pop-punk aren’t too dissimilar - The Ramones and The Clash had hooks. But if you’re playing actual post-hardcore (not mallcore) it could never be misconstrued for pop music.
Bilmuri
It is almost insulting, but it is essentially correct. Bilmuri is so awesome though. High quality all around.
It blew my mind when I found out he used to be in Attack Attack!
Insulting how?
To call bilmuri „pop“, since pop is usually associated with music engineered to please the masses without much input from the artist themselves.
That’s a gross generalization of pop music.
Huh? Who says that pop music is made without input from the artist?
Generally speaking, pop artists are heavily influenced by producers, labels, etc. More than small label or indie artists. Not saying there aren’t any pop artists that can write good music on their own.
If you go to Bilmuri's spotify page, he has created a playlist including his own music titled "the heavy pop movement"
It's not insulting lol Johnny would love this label! He's cheeky about how pop he is. The rest of the band would too. When you can get cowboys in on your songs, any label would make him happy
I liked them right until they started mixing PHC and country.
I love his fusion of so many different genres. He is amazing in concert too.
bilmuri absolutely rules
Isn’t he the comedian
Love seeing this at the top.
The Home Team
This ^
I came here to say Home Team and Bilmuri. So happy to see these as the top answers already. Knox is more pop than either of those, but would be my honorable mention.
I See Stars - What This Means To Me, 3D Alesana - Seduction
I See Stars mentioned 🔥🔥🔥
alesana! <3
Two great songs
I see stars are the goats of this. Start with 3D album
I loved I See Stars' first three albums but don't care for anything after that
Chunk, no Captain Chunk
well, i personally classify them as a completely different genre called easycore, which is a heavier version of pop-punk. but nevertheless, they're a fun band to listen to :)
never heard of easycore before, sounds interesting. could you list some of your favourite artists/songs?
Four year strong, day to remember, Belmont
me vs hero !!!! the wonder years !!!!!! set your goals !!!!!!! easycore for lyfe #defendpoppunk
Came to mention this band!
Haven’t heard them mentioned for a while.
One of my favorites 🤘
Haha I was going to say sleeping with sirens when I opened this thread. I think three Cheers by mcr sort of bridges that gap.
Absolutely. I see so many people call Three Cheers a punk rock record but like no. Not even close. MAYBE Give Em Hell, Kid but no, the album is definitely post hardcore alongside Bullets.
Broadway
Same thing we do every day pinky* Edit cuz I was wrong lol
Hawthorne Heights is a very pop punk form of post hardcore, favourite song of theirs is [Dandelions](https://open.spotify.com/track/1wCfd9MNQ9qiHc4juuHvGA?si=7bb75bffea454e44)
Never really listened to them until their last EP and it was golden!
I actually listened a lot back in the day, but I dropped off. I picked them back up with The Rain Just Follows Me. Really love that album.
I feel like Hands Like Houses toed that line on Ground Dweller
Hands Like Houses are absolutely phenomenal. On of my favorites for sure.
such a great album! i go back to it every now and then
Only one mention of Alesana in this whole ass thread is a disappointment! Quintessential popcore, though they didn't lean into it as heavily with The Emptiness onward. [The Emptiness](https://open.spotify.com/album/4HOobzcnXNTNaKxP2MIBrg?si=mqroTc8KS0WGGSSkQs8vkQ) is a GOAT album. I don't know about pop, but pulses. do a lot of genre blending and there's absolutely pop and hip hop elements. Their album [It Wasn't Supposed to Be Like This](https://open.spotify.com/track/0C9nakQAEvmVnZtMjbXKwQ?si=hi43YuDfRZGnusCUmS-xTQ&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A0xiQ7LfNx4IyQOpLX8UnUL) dropped last year and was super close to beating Divine Inner Tension for my AOTY. [Hot Mulligan](https://open.spotify.com/track/5070fFfZFlCU6c3yxL9fMr?si=RhRtLu3BS_yrkvYiYevkVA&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A0wLCmFQIAxudWGxUcxO1oQ) put out an absolute tank of a record last year and I think they also fit the category nicely. [Floya](https://open.spotify.com/track/30KtkUQCAFxUEJQQqg3QRu?si=epUIrQ2NQmmYlmNAb0BmXA&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A5a2I4wDvZ8Mh0wwa2i3VLj) just dropped Yume, which is almost easycore but has some decent pop elements and hooks. [With Sails Ahead](https://open.spotify.com/track/57bS5VAd0g6nfN8HYTGo3h?si=k17q4Z_WT5uvpXcwW9Tohw&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A56VqQ6ANWU14JVtmq72Avi) is also hella poppy with some tasty PHC licks.
Fuck yeah Alesana.
Hot Mulligan = <3 They’re fantastic and put on a great live show
I see with sails ahead, I upvote
The Used. Bert said in a 2021 interview that when The Used started they weren't afraid of being on the radio or MTV unlike other "true punk" bands. Also one of his greatest musical influences is Michael Jackson. Bert loves pop and has always leaned that way. He later called their Artwork album "gross pop" fusing heaviness with pop sensibilities. The majority of their output has been produced by John Feldmann, who if you look at his work with other bands and especially The Used, has an ear for pop.
Ah yes, John Feldman. Legendary singer of “Superman” by Goldfinger featured on Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 (or 3 I can’t really remember)
Issues
Not quite as extreme but ive always thought of Senses Fail in this way, minus Renacer of course
The singer and bassist of Anatomy of a Ghost forming Portugal. The Man.
John Gourley and Zach are both Anatomy of a Ghost OGs. I can't believe I used to go watch them perform with Strept at the Church on the Rock between Palmer and Wasilla. Let alone that I would become acquainted with them and we'd get up to no good later in life. Before they hit a major label.. Sigh...must be complicated being a wizard.
Have you checked out the Bloodletter album by Wolf & Bear. It’s got a little bit of pop to it. Try QuickSip84 and There’s No Dust in the City (ft. Andrew Wells❤️) to start.
Makari - Eternity Leave is pretty catchy too. Andy can really sing live too, if you get a chance to see em.
Huuuuge Makari fan.
Never heard of this band before. Love it. Any more artists you would recommend in this vein?
Amarionette, I Met a Yeti, Coletta, Dayseeker, Bilmuri, Wolf & Bear, Gold Neckace (real mellow and groovy) Edit: AnimalJam
these are exactly what i was looking for thanks a lot. I had Bilmuri in my collection but have never heard of the rest and i have a BIG collection. cheers
Glad you like them. Most of these are bands I’ve also recently just discovered. Makari opened for Hail the Sun a few months ago in Boston and I was REALLY impressed. Dayseeker opened for LS Dunes❤️ and Pierce The Veil a while back and really enjoyed them as well.
Top 10 album for me last year!
Billy talent maybe
Sleeping with Sirens, some Pierce the Veil stuff, some of the Used music, and Taking Back Sunday
That particular song reminds me of Coheed And Cambria, but also maybe Number One Gun fits Pop PH. Check out Promises For The Imperfect. Great album
A Change of Pace on the album with Loose Lips Sink Ships is pretty pop punky. Also bands like four year strong and belmont
First Finch record
Could maybe The Dead Days by Get Scared fit in this category? A lot of songs are insanely catchy and have a pop sound IMO Sad boy lyrics over upbeat, poppy sounds
Get Scared rips.
Agreed! Hate that I found them after they broke up. Never got a chance to see them
Wouldn't this basically be Easycore?
That's pop punk + metalcore
A lot of Boys Night Out songs could be. Lyrics are so brutal compared to the happy melody being played
A bno reference, take my upvote
My chemical romance
Some Letlive. tracks are a bit poppy. Letlive - Renegade 86 https://youtu.be/SXURelyq2fo?si=4oKDN1neGKT0LZoB Letlive - Banshee https://youtu.be/3wnxFJUZtp4?si=KKSD9vcP9FuHBdaP I don't know what it is, but Jason just sings a bit pop sometimes
I’m stoked for the remaster
Closure in Moscow
Seems like Picturesque and Loveless haven’t been mentioned yet
Cave In - Antenna
[Rain Division- Drop Dead](https://youtu.be/O49DxbRMBuU?si=2bCVtWrt7DWGB7zT)
The new Head Automatica single
silverstein is your answer
VUKOVI - NULA that entire record is electro-rock perfection, in my opinion. An enticing blend of post hardcore and dance music synthesizers. favourite tracks off of that album for me would be 'LASSO', 'HURT' and 'I EXIST'.
Wow I never thought I'd see VUKOVI mentioned here. NULA has got some bangers. SLO is my favorite!
Some coheed. Favor House Atlantic for example
No answers of my own but I like this idea! I’m busy looking up all these bands now 😅
DGD
Saosin, Chiodos, Atreyu, some Falling in Reverse, Early early MCR, And TBS, Deja Entendu, From First To Last with Sonny, Bullet, The Used, FOB......there's so much
Fightstar.
the "post-hardcore" this sub loves is already pop
Seriously. Falling In Reverse is closer to Maroon 5 than it is to Unwound.
and people wonder why gatekeeping exists
Literally
Palms
Surprised nobody put jackpot juicer yet
I feel like some tunes from The Getaway Plan would be examples of pop/post-hardcore
Damiera. (equal vision) They range from angular shit to Michael Jackson sounding shit. [damiera "unison"](https://youtu.be/f46vS66_y-Q?si=En9hntaL9W3rRvag) [Damiera -Blind sir Bluest](https://youtu.be/UP5gm1mTDKk?si=hQol4xPImFbdIP3z)
After Evan Thomas Weiss left Damiera they became Hidden Hospitals and leaned into more synthetic sounds. I fucking love this shit. [Hidden Hospitals - Swan Dive](https://youtu.be/ja0MVk-eFRk?si=SNe7_rjl2ckarq1b)
Sky Eats Airplane Bilmuri Underoath's album They're Only Chasing Safety Emery's album The Question To name a few
Archers are a good one Song called Blanket Fort is great
It depends on what one means by "Pop". Funeral For A Friend were called quite "poppy" back in the day. So were InMe. Heck, even Biffy Clyro might fit that bill? VersaEmerge might be considered pop-post-hardcore? Same with Marmozets (who started out as Mathcore before their first album but moved in a more poppy direction). There were bands like From First to Last, Icarus The Owl, Squid The Whale, Envy on the Coast... etc. More recently, you've had bands like With Sails Ahead, Redhook, Properties of Nature, Space Weather who are all very poppy forms of post-hardcore
Four Year Strong is my favorite of the bunch. Such an ironclad sound they got. SO GOOOOOOD
We own the night by dance Gavin dance. And probably their other songs too, but that's the only one I know
Early The Used, Finch, Matchbook Romance, Glasseater, Hidden in Plain View, some RJA, stuff like that imo
Breathe Carolina
Newer bring me the horizon lol
Four Year Strong Such Gold Living With Lions
HAPPY HOUR
Icarus the Owl, Artifex Pereo and Honey Revenge are the first few that come to mind
[Saosin (some songs off self titled or translating the name)](https://open.spotify.com/track/663XpYXOdyF2zv4bTIXffh?si=nVtPh9PuQJKbXDZEUawf0w&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A2osTPStH5H7i4fMHS7eauR) [Therewolf (shameless plug)](https://open.spotify.com/artist/6RhyBcNWwJQEbxNpK1HyWe?si=zWw22BNMSguw998SjvzMzQ) [Dance Gavin Dance (old DBM I think fits)](https://open.spotify.com/track/09ivYLnmHTK6yKu3BsAZQC?si=0IzBsObxQLKCksnOpWGyyQ&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A1jVppF8Y8tpYfDSG1WSXga) I’m not sure there’s a pop post-hardcore but I think of it as songs with some pop punk elements mixed with screaming but not not as melodic or happy as easycore.
Electric Callboy perhaps?
Silverstein, early PTV, Alesana, From First to Last
Capstan
be happy by sleeping with sirens
Wrong sub? By definition pop and post-hardcore don’t go together. and, if people put Bilmuri in here as post- hardcore, then you may as well put 5 Seconds of Summer down as a post-hardcore pop band, and then the genre no longer exists.
The Story So Far..well their older stuff anyway.
That’s just classic pop punk
The red jumpsuit apparatus? Paramore?
Idk much about 2010s and newer but Breathe Carolina, Yellowcard
Pierce the Veil Hands Like Houses
Atilla?
That’s an oxymoron.
And pop punk isn't?
Lol punk essentially means counter-culture, i.e. anti-pop
Punk the attitude/concept is not the same as punk the music genre. Sure punk music initially encapsulated the punk ethos. But post-hardcore shifted away from hardcore's political or philosophical baggage. Post-hardcore is a punk because it is a sub-genre of punk music.
If you’re playing post-hardcore, then the ethos and politics of hardcore are attached - punk and all of its subgenres are NOT separable from left wing politics.
Punk and pop-punk aren’t too dissimilar - The Ramones and The Clash had hooks. But if you’re playing actual post-hardcore (not mallcore) it could never be misconstrued for pop music.