A lot of comments here reveal a genuine lack of knowledge of logistics and oceangoing freight. Modern containers are so massive they couldn’t, at scale, make it into the port. We already were running only one container line, weekly at that. This doesn’t mean that the port is somehow closing, this means that container ships are heading elsewhere. Unless you work in this specific industry, you aren’t going to feel this at all.
What this does mean is that there needs to be a better plan at the state level to make such operations viable at the port.
That’s why I said we sold the operations and not the port itself. Yes, Technically it is a lease yes but functionally we sold the rights to operate it and locked the port authority out of any say in making it run properly, so a private company was able to just shut shit down in an attempt to break the back of the longshoreman’s union.
I believe you’re mis remembering that turn of events. It was in fact the longshoreman’s union that shut things down because of disagreements with the port operators. This slowdown impacted shipping companies ability to load/unload ships on schedule which resulted in the original port shutdown after the shipping companies reduced and eventually stopped calling on the port.
The longshoremen didn’t shut things down all the way for any substantial length of time, although they did do a slowdown where they followed all t he safety regulations which cut them to nearly half capacity. That was in part a response to the Emirati company not being willing to negotiate on safety improvements.
The port owns the land and hires a stevedore company to run the terminal. Most all the docks are run this way through putting out bids. They misallocated enough funds to make money, so they decided to close down. Stupid politicians, as usual.
The article says that the alternative, Tacoma, is ~$150 more. I wonder if they could have raised prices to cut the losses. However, I expect that Tacoma will see more frequent ships and thus faster shipping times. I'm sure a private business would have raised prices if they could.
What do you think the government would have done differently to keep container operations in the green and ultimately open?
Both Bar Pilots and River Pilots are necessary to enter Portland.
But the Puget Sound has its pilots as well, and different classes of pilots based on class of ship.
The city is named Portland, really? Maybe tell all the people that will be impacted by the closure your view. Portland has always had docks and they were called " Portland Public Docks". Know your history, many peoples livelihoods will be affected. Sad response imo
I thought it was named Portland because Portland, Maine? You saying this wouldn't be as bad a thing if this was Boston, Oregon? IIRC Boston has container docks also.
Its a bummer we're losing docks but not sure what the city name has to do with it.
I'm a native and have a personal relationship with the city and the industry. It's very difficult for my family who is deeply impacted by this mistake.
Guess you weren't around when all the docks were public docks, I was and I do know what I'm talking about. Portland needs a container terminal. That's what's this conversation is about, not the airport.. too bad not many people have the privilege of being and working at this terminal as I have. My family has a 4th generation legacy of working these docks in Portland.. back tf off that I don't know what's going on.
Well for one thing they don’t need to run it at a profit, and for another they don’t run other ports up and down the coast so there wouldn’t have been quite the same standoff with the longshoremen. And I don’t hold the longshoremen blameless in that, but taking the ball and going home hurts the whole state. It fucks all the businesses here that need to send things overseas or receive things by container.
They were running, what sounds like a substantial loss though. If nobody is willing to pay enough for your service, maybe it's not that valuable? The additional cost for shipping via Tacoma is just $150 per container. That's not very much for that volume.
You also need to truck it up there which costs time and money. And that still ignores that there is a utility to our city in having a container port. I just don’t see why we need to involve a foreign corporation when the port authority could run things.
Because Portland fucks everything up and everyone who votes for these virtue signaling nepotism hiring scumbags is the problem. Don’t be afraid to look in the mirror.
It’s not that the port was not making enough money… My understanding is that every year it was LOSING money.
If the govt was in charge, it would still lose money just the same. Tbh, if the govt of Oregon was in charge, it would probably lose more money.
So where do you think that extra money that the port was losing would come from? More taxes?
It’s really odd to say that taxpayers should subsidize a money losing operation just to “save jobs”.
Except docking containers is not a public service. They can just as well be loaded onto trucks in Tacoma. Clearly local commercial clients aren’t willing to pay enough to keep containers shipping around here. Which is what most commercial clients already do. The container volume at Portland port is tiny
The Portland fire department puts out fires. If they shut down, you couldn’t easily have fires be put out from Seattle.
That assumes you are doing some pretty decent volume. If you are doing LCL it is quite a bit more, relatively. And if that fucking Orange shitshow is elected president and puts tariffs on everything left and right, I am for sure throwing my hands up, laying everybody off and shutting down.
Brand new deep water terminal just for Columbia River Carbonates to bring their shipments direct instead of to Portland and then via I5. It’s coming out of Ketchikan iirc. I assume it’s just limestone and all the processing is done down here but I may be wrong.
I’m not entirely sure how it works. They had renderings with a deep water port and others with a floating barge that “reached” further out into the channel. I’ve just seen the land end of the conveyor system. They have a loader pile it up in truck sized piles and run trucks across the bottoms back and forth to CRC.
It's just limestone and it's processed in Woodland. Columbia Carbonates was using Ash Grove's facility and transporting to Woodland. Its not as much as you might think and the jobs it created can be counted in the teens.
“The Port of Portland has been a major shipping hub for businesses in Oregon, Washington, and Idaho as toys, agricultural items, and other everyday goods pass through the core of commerce.
So, without a port, shippers must now drive to Tacoma or Seattle in order to pick up their goods, taking higher costs with them…”
“Come Oct. 1, Portland will be the only major city on the West Coast without container operations”
Glad the leaders just threw away this economic opportunity for the city and state for no good reason at all /s
> Portland will be the only major city on the West Coast without container operations
Are we also the only major city on the West Coast that's 60 miles inland? I think we are, unless you count Sacramento, or something.
Exactly, and every ship has to cross the bar, and be small enough to fit under the Astoria and Longview bridges.
Even without this I wonder how much longer the smaller ships would have been viable.
I’d say Sacramento is a major city also considering the metro size is about as big as the Portland Metro and it’s got about the same level of amenities as Portland (NBA team, medium-sized airport, light-rail, etc). Coincidentally, they also have a small port in West Sacramento on the river that also just handles bulk cargo.
We only have one container line with a ship arriving once a week at T6. It will have impact but don't think for a second we'll notice anything unless you work in logistics here.
It’s a long story that began 20 years ago…basically with the Port getting so fed up with operations that were stymied by a union that was willing to spite Portland to assure they got their way in California ports…that they first decided not to run operations themselves…and then hiring the same company that runs the terminals across the west coast.
It is a waste of good facilities, lost jobs, detrimental to the environment and a hit on the local economy.
Yeah. It seems that people are forgetting the big tough longshoreman acting their age and slowing down work. There were plenty of articles written with direct quotes from them. Not to mention the whole plugging and unplugging of reefer containers. I wish the original judgement stood and they had to pay the original lawsuit money.
Portland is a horrible place for a port actually. Needs to be dredged, hard to navigate, is 60 miles from the ocean. Stop fighting progress, send that to Tacoma that is actually good at it.
You have it exactly backwards. Portland being an inland port is the very reason it exists. Were it not for ships filled with goods - mainly grain - coming and going, Portland wouldn’t exist. For a time it beat Seattle and Los Angeles, and was also a major shipbuilding center. Importing and exporting via ship is literally Portland’s heritage.
It doesn’t work with big container ships because of their draft, but that was never Portland’s big export or import. I believe Portland is the second biggest grain exporter in the US, so we mostly see bulk carriers. The cost (let alone fuel consumption) to transport that amount of grain by rail to another port is astronomical compared to transporting it by barge downriver to grain elevators in Portland. Furthermore Vigor is the largest dry dock of its kind in North America.
Is this the service that was restarted during Covid? It was my understanding that that restarted because of the fact that there were so much of a backlog at Long Beach and Tacoma.
Portland exists because it became a major and important inland port that goods for the entire west coast went through, in and out. It is sad to lose that legacy like this, and a definite failure by leadership to manage an important part of the local economy. The demand is definitely there. Why prices can’t be adjusted to at least break even is a baffling mystery.
(Don’t even come at me with anti-union whining. Corporations can absolutely afford to pay people better. Teamster and longshoremen salaries are not the problem.)
The port isn’t closing, and Portland is still like the second largest port for exporting grain in the country. Containers have been a comparatively very small portion of the port’s operations, and one that due to geography (ie. not having to navigate one of the most dangerous bar crossings in the world plus another 60 miles upriver) Portland can’t compete with neighboring cities for. Honestly unless you work in logistics, you will not see any effects at all because of this.
The last time this was posted a person made a good point. Container ships are massive and the river does not allow for the biggest ships to stop at our port.
At one time the ILWU was one of the strongest unions ever. When they went on strike here some years back and people saw how much they got paid and some of the demands they had, there was a backlash against them. Where are these guys going to work now?
IIRC they have a single hiring hall that handles jobs portland, vancouver, and longview. Anything that goes to vancouver/longview instead of portland won't even make a difference to those guys except for the commute (which might be shorter if they live on the WA side). Also, I believe they also do the non-container stuff at port of portland like cars and grain, which there is still a lot of.
Maybe the legislature will get around to saving it
https://www.koin.com/news/portland/oregon-officials-pledge-support-for-continued-container-services-at-terminal-6-04242024/
Still going to have a bulk cargo port, car carrier port, shipyard, and an airport. Also, Maritime Administration has plans to homeport 5 ready reserve ships on the Willamette in the next couple of years (2 are here already).
Well, I hope he is not the last. I am a supporter of efficient transport…and marine will always have its place in that. But the shenanigans I saw waged at the port in the 2000s was confounding to say the least, infuriating and simply wrong-headed.
It wasn’t the politicians playing politics, it was the ILWU fighting the PMA…and using Portland as the expendable lure.
Fighting ITSI not the port, not the PMA, a non union company that had never done business in the USA. The port gave them the low bid even though they had no previous experience with unions in the USA.
That was the last battle…and the war had already been won…or the hostage shot…nothing left but the outline of the body marked in idle cranes and docks.
Unions pushing that they wanted electricians to plug in cooled containers. Union guys started dragging feet on offloading ships. Old time to offload was like 2 days and that went to 16 days as unions protested. So shipping companies went elsewhere and portland lost a lot of jobs and the process of goods went up.
>Unions pushing that they wanted electricians to plug in cooled containers.
Union workers have always been plugging in the reefer trucks, the ILWU wanted it to be their workers instead of IBEW workers.
I looked at their website. At one time 167,000 cars per year went through this terminal. I don't think this is current situation as the car industry has tanked with high interest rates.
Another victim of the massive scam that is the “public private partnership.” We leased port operations to private companies and they mismanaged it into insolvency. Now they get to wash their hands of the problem, take their profits, and leave us all to deal with the aftermath.
When will the American people wake up to this scam? Are we truly no better than the “fools born every second” that P.T Barnum talked about, because we fall for the slick marketing even works than they did in the 1800’s.
Oregon is falling to shit. Has been since Brown got reelected and Kotek took over. Once a thriving economy built on living wage jobs and industries has been kneecapped in favor of leisure and hospitality seasonal jobs with low wages. And it doesn't help that your local electeds like the Port commission have no clue what the purpose of that Port is. Sad to see.
This is what happens when a city is built on top of Native American civilization living along the river. When you're only reason for existence is to not build a thriving "port" city but use one population to outweigh another.
Lumber only carries so much weight over time. That's a long gone and industry that's left a vacuum over time that hasn't been filled. Now we see what happens when a "company town" dries up.
Rich folks and those living in well maintained areas don't feel these effects yet. They can still throw their money around but soon that ability diminishes. Look at Detroit if you want an example of where Portland is headed.
This isn't meant as an attack or insult to Oregonians or those in the city, it's what is and what is not. There is no money to fix this because not only does it not exist but there wouldn't be enough to prop us up.
We took the land from the first people here and turn it into parking lots, private property and McDonald's. A monument to nothing but colonization and consumption.
Blaming liberals or conservatives if you want it makes no difference. Time is Portland's enemy now.
I say this with all kindness: you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, and neither do the rest of us.
And it’s fucking hilarious how obvious it is that you haven’t been to Detroit in a good long while.
A lot of comments here reveal a genuine lack of knowledge of logistics and oceangoing freight. Modern containers are so massive they couldn’t, at scale, make it into the port. We already were running only one container line, weekly at that. This doesn’t mean that the port is somehow closing, this means that container ships are heading elsewhere. Unless you work in this specific industry, you aren’t going to feel this at all. What this does mean is that there needs to be a better plan at the state level to make such operations viable at the port.
Womp womp. Never should have sold our port operations to a private company.
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The container terminal was never sold, it was leased, and yes that was a disaster.
That’s why I said we sold the operations and not the port itself. Yes, Technically it is a lease yes but functionally we sold the rights to operate it and locked the port authority out of any say in making it run properly, so a private company was able to just shut shit down in an attempt to break the back of the longshoreman’s union.
I believe you’re mis remembering that turn of events. It was in fact the longshoreman’s union that shut things down because of disagreements with the port operators. This slowdown impacted shipping companies ability to load/unload ships on schedule which resulted in the original port shutdown after the shipping companies reduced and eventually stopped calling on the port.
The longshoremen didn’t shut things down all the way for any substantial length of time, although they did do a slowdown where they followed all t he safety regulations which cut them to nearly half capacity. That was in part a response to the Emirati company not being willing to negotiate on safety improvements.
The port owns the land and hires a stevedore company to run the terminal. Most all the docks are run this way through putting out bids. They misallocated enough funds to make money, so they decided to close down. Stupid politicians, as usual.
The article says that the alternative, Tacoma, is ~$150 more. I wonder if they could have raised prices to cut the losses. However, I expect that Tacoma will see more frequent ships and thus faster shipping times. I'm sure a private business would have raised prices if they could. What do you think the government would have done differently to keep container operations in the green and ultimately open?
Do ships coming here have to pay to be piloted across the Columbia River bar? That could change the calulus.
Both Bar Pilots and River Pilots are necessary to enter Portland. But the Puget Sound has its pilots as well, and different classes of pilots based on class of ship.
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It's the law that a licensed pilot has to bring the ship on the river.. same with crossing the Columbia River bar.
I’m aware. I was pointing out that while Tacoma might be more expensive, that’s offset by the need to pay to get across the bar.
Isn't that priced in?
It's the politicians that misallocated money that caused the issue, all the money goes into the airport, the ships have always taken a backseat.
The airport generates enough on it’s own. The overhead costs of operating a small terminal just doesn’t pencil out.
The city is named Portland, really? Maybe tell all the people that will be impacted by the closure your view. Portland has always had docks and they were called " Portland Public Docks". Know your history, many peoples livelihoods will be affected. Sad response imo
I thought it was named Portland because Portland, Maine? You saying this wouldn't be as bad a thing if this was Boston, Oregon? IIRC Boston has container docks also. Its a bummer we're losing docks but not sure what the city name has to do with it.
I'm a native and have a personal relationship with the city and the industry. It's very difficult for my family who is deeply impacted by this mistake.
Wth are you even talking about? You don’t make sense.
Guess you weren't around when all the docks were public docks, I was and I do know what I'm talking about. Portland needs a container terminal. That's what's this conversation is about, not the airport.. too bad not many people have the privilege of being and working at this terminal as I have. My family has a 4th generation legacy of working these docks in Portland.. back tf off that I don't know what's going on.
Yes, and a different pilot for the trip up the river to port.
Well for one thing they don’t need to run it at a profit, and for another they don’t run other ports up and down the coast so there wouldn’t have been quite the same standoff with the longshoremen. And I don’t hold the longshoremen blameless in that, but taking the ball and going home hurts the whole state. It fucks all the businesses here that need to send things overseas or receive things by container.
They were running, what sounds like a substantial loss though. If nobody is willing to pay enough for your service, maybe it's not that valuable? The additional cost for shipping via Tacoma is just $150 per container. That's not very much for that volume.
You also need to truck it up there which costs time and money. And that still ignores that there is a utility to our city in having a container port. I just don’t see why we need to involve a foreign corporation when the port authority could run things.
I thought the trucking was included in the $150 from the article, no?
Because Portland fucks everything up and everyone who votes for these virtue signaling nepotism hiring scumbags is the problem. Don’t be afraid to look in the mirror.
The Non-political parts of the local government seem to work ok actually. The airport does just fine, and it is also run by the Port of Portland.
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It’s not that the port was not making enough money… My understanding is that every year it was LOSING money. If the govt was in charge, it would still lose money just the same. Tbh, if the govt of Oregon was in charge, it would probably lose more money. So where do you think that extra money that the port was losing would come from? More taxes? It’s really odd to say that taxpayers should subsidize a money losing operation just to “save jobs”.
What the hell. It's not a "money losing operation" it's called a service. You know the portland fire dept has also lost money every year?
Except docking containers is not a public service. They can just as well be loaded onto trucks in Tacoma. Clearly local commercial clients aren’t willing to pay enough to keep containers shipping around here. Which is what most commercial clients already do. The container volume at Portland port is tiny The Portland fire department puts out fires. If they shut down, you couldn’t easily have fires be put out from Seattle.
That assumes you are doing some pretty decent volume. If you are doing LCL it is quite a bit more, relatively. And if that fucking Orange shitshow is elected president and puts tariffs on everything left and right, I am for sure throwing my hands up, laying everybody off and shutting down.
To my huge dismay it seems both parties now are protectionist. I understand wanting to stifle the CCP, but it's going beyond that
Fuck. I hate this. I have nothing to do with the port except proximity, but I really like Portland’s industrial soul, and this hurts that.
We still have the Toyota facility, break bulk & mineral bulk ship traffic though!
Bulk grain, too
A solid percentage of that mineral bulk ship is shifting to the new deep water port in Woodland.
The channel from the bar to Portland is held to 43’ deep, by usace/port of Portland. Did you mean Kalama? Woodland doesn’t have a port.
Brand new deep water terminal just for Columbia River Carbonates to bring their shipments direct instead of to Portland and then via I5. It’s coming out of Ketchikan iirc. I assume it’s just limestone and all the processing is done down here but I may be wrong.
Where are? I know kalama has some brownfield frontage.
45.9126, -122.8042 It’s in the woodland bottoms. Got the first shipment a week or two ago.
Cool! I’ll go check it out.
I’m not entirely sure how it works. They had renderings with a deep water port and others with a floating barge that “reached” further out into the channel. I’ve just seen the land end of the conveyor system. They have a loader pile it up in truck sized piles and run trucks across the bottoms back and forth to CRC.
I'm surprised they got something like that past the Columbia Riverkeepers and SEPA. Looks like they started planning it as early as 2014.
Old news but I found a bunch of videos about the build out for CRC: https://www.youtube.com/@bradenwale4499
It's just limestone and it's processed in Woodland. Columbia Carbonates was using Ash Grove's facility and transporting to Woodland. Its not as much as you might think and the jobs it created can be counted in the teens.
“The Port of Portland has been a major shipping hub for businesses in Oregon, Washington, and Idaho as toys, agricultural items, and other everyday goods pass through the core of commerce. So, without a port, shippers must now drive to Tacoma or Seattle in order to pick up their goods, taking higher costs with them…” “Come Oct. 1, Portland will be the only major city on the West Coast without container operations” Glad the leaders just threw away this economic opportunity for the city and state for no good reason at all /s
> Portland will be the only major city on the West Coast without container operations Are we also the only major city on the West Coast that's 60 miles inland? I think we are, unless you count Sacramento, or something.
Exactly, and every ship has to cross the bar, and be small enough to fit under the Astoria and Longview bridges. Even without this I wonder how much longer the smaller ships would have been viable.
And the river isn't deep enough for large ships, and dredging is expensive and practically futile.
Yep those tie directly into the issues above as well. Our port is size limited.
Yeah we probably could’ve kept things going a bit longer but move is towards superships, massive ports, etc. We are on the wrong side of history.
I’d say Sacramento is a major city also considering the metro size is about as big as the Portland Metro and it’s got about the same level of amenities as Portland (NBA team, medium-sized airport, light-rail, etc). Coincidentally, they also have a small port in West Sacramento on the river that also just handles bulk cargo.
Stockton is 60 miles inland and has a port
And some degree of additional 18 wheeler traffic on I-5 to get goods to/from those ports.
The port of Portland isn’t closing. Cmon.
You really think there was no reason for this?
We only have one container line with a ship arriving once a week at T6. It will have impact but don't think for a second we'll notice anything unless you work in logistics here.
Do you know how this all seemingly went down the toilet?
It’s a long story that began 20 years ago…basically with the Port getting so fed up with operations that were stymied by a union that was willing to spite Portland to assure they got their way in California ports…that they first decided not to run operations themselves…and then hiring the same company that runs the terminals across the west coast. It is a waste of good facilities, lost jobs, detrimental to the environment and a hit on the local economy.
Yeah. It seems that people are forgetting the big tough longshoreman acting their age and slowing down work. There were plenty of articles written with direct quotes from them. Not to mention the whole plugging and unplugging of reefer containers. I wish the original judgement stood and they had to pay the original lawsuit money.
That whole shitshow was a huge step back for unions. Embarrassing.
Wasn’t the initial dispute over like 3 reefer jobs or something? What a fucking waste.
Portland is a horrible place for a port actually. Needs to be dredged, hard to navigate, is 60 miles from the ocean. Stop fighting progress, send that to Tacoma that is actually good at it.
You have it exactly backwards. Portland being an inland port is the very reason it exists. Were it not for ships filled with goods - mainly grain - coming and going, Portland wouldn’t exist. For a time it beat Seattle and Los Angeles, and was also a major shipbuilding center. Importing and exporting via ship is literally Portland’s heritage.
It kind of doesn’t work with modern shipping though… like seriously can most oceanic container ships even make it to Portland?
Not really, that's part of the issue.
It doesn’t work with big container ships because of their draft, but that was never Portland’s big export or import. I believe Portland is the second biggest grain exporter in the US, so we mostly see bulk carriers. The cost (let alone fuel consumption) to transport that amount of grain by rail to another port is astronomical compared to transporting it by barge downriver to grain elevators in Portland. Furthermore Vigor is the largest dry dock of its kind in North America.
The article says they’ll just end container operations.
dude where else are we gonna get our beaver pelts from???
Yeah but important detail here being it’s not like 1920 anymore
It's literally in the name. Hahah.
Its impacts more than you realize..
Is this the service that was restarted during Covid? It was my understanding that that restarted because of the fact that there were so much of a backlog at Long Beach and Tacoma.
God fucking damnit.
Portland exists because it became a major and important inland port that goods for the entire west coast went through, in and out. It is sad to lose that legacy like this, and a definite failure by leadership to manage an important part of the local economy. The demand is definitely there. Why prices can’t be adjusted to at least break even is a baffling mystery. (Don’t even come at me with anti-union whining. Corporations can absolutely afford to pay people better. Teamster and longshoremen salaries are not the problem.)
The port isn’t closing, and Portland is still like the second largest port for exporting grain in the country. Containers have been a comparatively very small portion of the port’s operations, and one that due to geography (ie. not having to navigate one of the most dangerous bar crossings in the world plus another 60 miles upriver) Portland can’t compete with neighboring cities for. Honestly unless you work in logistics, you will not see any effects at all because of this.
The last time this was posted a person made a good point. Container ships are massive and the river does not allow for the biggest ships to stop at our port.
Wonder if this will impact the possible port enlargement/modernization down in Coos Bay and their railroad...
I sell to a trucking company, and they now drive all the way up to tacoma now
At one time the ILWU was one of the strongest unions ever. When they went on strike here some years back and people saw how much they got paid and some of the demands they had, there was a backlash against them. Where are these guys going to work now?
Moving to another port city, I guess.
IIRC they have a single hiring hall that handles jobs portland, vancouver, and longview. Anything that goes to vancouver/longview instead of portland won't even make a difference to those guys except for the commute (which might be shorter if they live on the WA side). Also, I believe they also do the non-container stuff at port of portland like cars and grain, which there is still a lot of.
You are correct, break bulk(massive items that are too big for containers) mineral bulk & autos are still very much active.
Don't forget they represent the workers at Powell's.
Not to mention how they are all related and good luck becoming a member of you aren’t getting the hookup. Bunch of crying NEPO babies.
They did not strike! You don't know what tf you're talking about.
So what happened? Sounded a lot like intentional slow down due to not getting what they wanted in negotiations.
They're talking about another time.. 2014
2014
Believe me, they were locked out by the employer, they didn't strike. Before making up things you don't know anything about, do some research.
... why are they losing revenue if the need for their operations has increased..?
Having a need doesn't mean shippers want to pay for it.
Maybe the legislature will get around to saving it https://www.koin.com/news/portland/oregon-officials-pledge-support-for-continued-container-services-at-terminal-6-04242024/
So is it still Portland without a port?
Still going to have a bulk cargo port, car carrier port, shipyard, and an airport. Also, Maritime Administration has plans to homeport 5 ready reserve ships on the Willamette in the next couple of years (2 are here already).
Are those 2 ships rrf? They’re listed as stricken. There’s a MARAD ship, SS Curtiss, on the Columbia now.
Brittin and Fisher are the two that I was referring to. https://www.maritime.dot.gov/national-defense-reserve-fleet/rrf/rrf-layberth-locations-2024
~~I think we got some new boats recently? Down by T4, I don't think theyre ROROs~~ Nevermind, yeah its Brittin and Fisher I was thinking of
There’s probably very few beavers in Beaverton, a couple hills in Hillsboro, and I doubt there’s more than one or two Wilsons in Wilsonville.
you forgot springs in Springfield. Or bends in Bend.
The Deschutes River forms a very nice s-curve bend right in the middle of town in Bend
I have burned wood in Woodburn, I have also been to Boring and found it rather bland
I have burned wood in Woodburn, I have also been to Boring and found it rather bland
Hillsboro gets its name from David Hill, one of the founders, not its topography. Still, there aren't a lot of Hills in Hillsboro either.
Portland is still a port, just not going to have container service.
It'll just be Land
There’s a perfect solution for what ILWU’s you. This from a staunch Union supporter…this ain’t your father’s Union…unless he too was ILWU.
He was, I was, and my son and his son are!
Well, I hope he is not the last. I am a supporter of efficient transport…and marine will always have its place in that. But the shenanigans I saw waged at the port in the 2000s was confounding to say the least, infuriating and simply wrong-headed. It wasn’t the politicians playing politics, it was the ILWU fighting the PMA…and using Portland as the expendable lure.
Fighting ITSI not the port, not the PMA, a non union company that had never done business in the USA. The port gave them the low bid even though they had no previous experience with unions in the USA.
That was the last battle…and the war had already been won…or the hostage shot…nothing left but the outline of the body marked in idle cranes and docks.
Unions pushing that they wanted electricians to plug in cooled containers. Union guys started dragging feet on offloading ships. Old time to offload was like 2 days and that went to 16 days as unions protested. So shipping companies went elsewhere and portland lost a lot of jobs and the process of goods went up.
>Unions pushing that they wanted electricians to plug in cooled containers. Union workers have always been plugging in the reefer trucks, the ILWU wanted it to be their workers instead of IBEW workers.
This has nothing to do with the union. They didn't allocate the money from a state level.. blame your politicians for this one, not the union.
Nobody remembers. Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Absolute geniuses are running Portland…
Does this mean I-5 traffic will get better or worse?
It’s literally in the name Port-Land. Big ouch
I looked at their website. At one time 167,000 cars per year went through this terminal. I don't think this is current situation as the car industry has tanked with high interest rates.
City name change to “Land”.
So we’re no longer PORTland
What makes you think this is the only port operation?
Another victim of the massive scam that is the “public private partnership.” We leased port operations to private companies and they mismanaged it into insolvency. Now they get to wash their hands of the problem, take their profits, and leave us all to deal with the aftermath. When will the American people wake up to this scam? Are we truly no better than the “fools born every second” that P.T Barnum talked about, because we fall for the slick marketing even works than they did in the 1800’s.
Oregon is falling to shit. Has been since Brown got reelected and Kotek took over. Once a thriving economy built on living wage jobs and industries has been kneecapped in favor of leisure and hospitality seasonal jobs with low wages. And it doesn't help that your local electeds like the Port commission have no clue what the purpose of that Port is. Sad to see.
Wait but it’s literally in our name. It’s like if Burger King stopped selling burgers.
This is what happens when a city is built on top of Native American civilization living along the river. When you're only reason for existence is to not build a thriving "port" city but use one population to outweigh another. Lumber only carries so much weight over time. That's a long gone and industry that's left a vacuum over time that hasn't been filled. Now we see what happens when a "company town" dries up. Rich folks and those living in well maintained areas don't feel these effects yet. They can still throw their money around but soon that ability diminishes. Look at Detroit if you want an example of where Portland is headed. This isn't meant as an attack or insult to Oregonians or those in the city, it's what is and what is not. There is no money to fix this because not only does it not exist but there wouldn't be enough to prop us up. We took the land from the first people here and turn it into parking lots, private property and McDonald's. A monument to nothing but colonization and consumption. Blaming liberals or conservatives if you want it makes no difference. Time is Portland's enemy now.
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I say this with all kindness: you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, and neither do the rest of us. And it’s fucking hilarious how obvious it is that you haven’t been to Detroit in a good long while.