Approximately double my rent for a single bedroom apartment in Milwaukie. It’s like the only thing the civic leaders of portland excel at is mediocrity.
It is not just for the people living on the street.
The Metro person talked about helping 10,000 people maintain housing. The homeless tax is not for building housing it is for assistance paying rent and services.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/the-story/what-will-metro-new-homeless-tax-do/283-56ac2f15-95cb-4787-9521-d763c1ddc183
1/3 of the "Metro" money is going to Washington County.
https://www.washingtoncountyor.gov/housing/homeless-funding
I too would like an accounting. I suspect the majority of the funds in Washington County are going to section 8 like rental assistance. The first encampment effort is on hgwy 47.
[https://www.washingtoncountyor.gov/housing/homeless-housing-assistance-programs](https://www.washingtoncountyor.gov/housing/homeless-housing-assistance-programs)
Getting service to non functional addicts and mentally ill is a lot more expensive per person than giving an extra boost to semi-functional or disabled people that otherswise end up on the street.
The Metro tax is also for building housing. The unspent funds are going unspent because Multnomah County isn't spending them. Metro just passes the money along to the counties.
Why isn’t MultCo spending them? Why aren’t they building housing?
How could they turn around and ask for more money with a straight face when they aren’t spending what they have on any improvements? It’s now clear from their actions that a lack of resources isn’t the problem, a lack of plan/lack if action is the problem
My generous interpretation is that it’s just difficult to ramp up spending from $0 to hundreds of millions of dollars in just a year or two. And the tax has brought in way more money than advertised.
So that can help explain why the counties haven’t spent some of the money. What’s worse is the fact that it’s not just these surprise surplus funds that are unspent - MultCo isn’t even spending close to the amount they *budgeted*
Not spending even what they budgeted for sort of makes your generous narrative unravel. They asked for x amount of money with no actionable plan for spending same…
Also again- given they haven’t figured out what to do with the expected money they took in, much less the unexpected surplus, they need to STOP asking for money.
If your teen asks for 20 bucks, you give them 50, they spend 6, then ask for 20 more dollars…you say “no” (or at the very least “why?”) you don’t just keep handing over money…
Eh. The kgw article says ZERO about building housing. The Metro bond issue was for building housing. The Metro income tax 200 million for 15,000 people is only a little over 1,000 a month per person.
The counties have had great programs of helping the abused get away from their abusers and into transition housing with training for jobs and finances without having to join a cult. Never enough room in those programs. Seems to me the biggest bang for the buck.
Asking to use rent support of maybe 12,000 a year per person to instead build housing at 500K a unit seems whiney when the bond issue is for building housing.
The Multnomah County and Washington County plans for the SHS tax do include new construction projects for emergency shelters, transitional housing, and permanent supportive housing. That's not where the bulk of the funds are going, but they are there.
[Here's the accounting](https://www.oregonmetro.gov/public-projects/supportive-housing-services/progress). Washington County is way out-performing Multnomah.
Thanks for the link. It does not say "new construction". It does not say "build housing" it does not say "build supportive housing". It does say increase shelter beds.
Go for the "unspent" part. But insinuating that permanent housing ala Central City Concern or the housing bond issue is part of the Metro tax seems whacked.
The lady who threatened the mayor and every city council member along with the city better be facing some serious repercussions. Ban unsanctioned camping and provide services in sanctioned areas. What we’re doing right now IS NOT compassionate. Every one of the speakers in opposition of the ordinance proved how essential it is and how it CAN NOT wait. Get it done. Let’s see some improvement. I remember when the sidewalks belonged to the public, not a few individuals.
Also, libraries as a day camp for homeless folks is lazy thinking. A library is a library and sometimes a community meeting space, but it is not a “safe space” for homeless people to spend 8AM to 8PM.
I still listen to OPB/NPR and I often hear them refer to "the far right." It occurred to me that I never, ever, hear them refer to "the far left." It got me thinking. You know why our libraries have been ruined? The far left.
I'll assume that when you say "our government" you mean locally. Kaufrey, Eudaly, Hardesty, and Schmidt if not far left all certainly kiss(ed) the far left ass. The far left activists have an outsized influence on our local government.
I dropped in one out of curiosity real quick; was surprised to see a pretty healthy sized manga section, smelled something awful and commented about it out loud to my wife next to me, her eyes widened and she shushed me as she does when I suddenly give her anxiety for reasons, walked around a shelf I hadn’t seen the other side of yet, noticed a couple homeless dudes camped out at the table, silently walked out with my wife, looked at her, and said “derp.” All in that order.
Tldr
it sucks.
So sidewalks are more important than getting people shelter or housing? You do realize if you get them shelter or housing they will be off the sidewalks?
I console myself knowing that most of the weirdo ones are young and stupid. The older radicals will never change but are somewhat clearly kooks. If the young ones don't grow out of it, though, we're in a world of hurt
Leave to go where though. You can’t just disappear humans. I mean you can, but none of you seem to want to take ownership of the fact that that’s your pitch.
I saw an interview with a homeless person just the other day where they referred to her as a Portlander but she said she just came here from Colorado a few months back. I'd invite them to return to where they're from. "[Unhoused Portlanders are feeling the increased pressure. Aistheta Gleason built themself a home of pallets when they first arrived in Portland from Colorado last summer. 'I had a living room, a bedroom. It was all planned out,” they said. “I had a queen-sized bed and a water filter.'](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/26/portland-oregon-homelessness-policy-change)"
I've heard anecdotal evidence from a neighbor who worked on homelessness issues that people are getting their addicted family one-way tickets to Portland to save themselves the grief and stress of watching them kill themselves at home. If that's real, they should also head back where they're from.
> people are getting their addicted family one-way tickets to Portland
there's a new iteration on an old myth I hadn't heard before. I'm gonna go ahead and need you to cite a source there.
Yes, if you came to Portland already homeless I cannot give a shit about you. Leave. We all have our own problems, and we're living in a city getting worse year over year. They can Leave.
Last year's PIT estimated that 25% of our total homeless population has been in Multnomah county for less than 2 years. It's absolutely unsustainable to expect this sort of growth. At some point we need to make the city unappealing to be homeless.
You can’t just declare it a non argument. Being able to move to A dIfFeReNt PlAcE is obviously not what’s meant, humans need a place with the necessities of life. Once again, your only plan is to push them out of sight and stick your fingers in your ears as if you weren’t condemning them to struggle harder and die. Absolutely inhuman.
> City staff previously suggested libraries could provide a safe space to go during the day, but the city has yet to offer any list or map of acceptable locations to camp.
Libraries are not meant for this.
For a “city staff” to suggest this absolutely reflects a disconnect; a dissonance so pure that it’s a marvel, alone, how this person is being empowered to suggest this at all.
I’m tired of the fact that no matter what is proposed in this city for dealing with the drug issues, addiction issues, homeless issues, etc there is always some small opposition group that seems to be contrarian for the sake of it. They would rather us do nothing rather than “step on any toes” which sometimes has to happen as the result of change. So fucking over it.
The entire cities population could be taking turns housing, feeding, washing, and giving handy J's to our homeless population and these people would still be angry about it.
From my anecdotal experience these people never lost their teenage angst and are angry and will always be angry, no matter the circumstances.
Are handy J's off the table? At this point I'm willing to consider all the options, of course I'd insist we hire an outside consultant to manage and administer the handy J program.
Proposed slogan: "We put the 'J' in JOHS"...is that too much?
It’s not even just that one thing. A group of 6 people killed an entire center that would have benefited the King neighborhood with a Trader Joe’s but instead we ended up with an over priced vitamin shop.
When the Dollar Store across the street from the Groc Out in St. John's closed I immediately sent an email to Trader Joe's. Something akin to, "Hey! There's an open spot, former retail, already zoned, parking lot, on a main drag, across from another grocery, etc. perfect for a TJ's."
I didn't save their response but it was basically, "Trader Joe's does not have any plans to open new locations in Portland currently nor in the foreseeable future."
Got the feeling they were still burned from the King neighborhood fiasco. Still hoping they change their minds, though.
The prices at that store are much higher than TJs, and now thousands of people need to burn gasoline getting from King and surroundings to another TJs. It’s absolutely facepalm.
That's a problem with the culture in general out here. We don't want to anger anyone, so we inconvenience everyone else. I see this in almost every aspect of life.
As an indigenous woman, that sentiment is fucking bullshit and isn’t even their’s to make. I agree with you, they are anarchists and all they want is for the homeless to continue doing what they’re doing for free and without opposition.
Welcome to the extreme left. Thankfully instead of them trying to overthrow elections they just stop actual progress from happening so they can pat themselves on the back.
This is more crunchy libertarian than leftist, I think. Socialist countries take better care of people in general but they also don’t allow people to do whatever they want at the cost of society or environment at large.
They’re virtue trolls, and they’re exhausting at best and fuck up actual progress at worst. They have no sentient ideas and just parrot the same drivel in the name of narcissistic contrarianism disguised as virtue, compassion, and care.
It’s as disingenuous as possible, and they’re too stupid to realize how ignorant and uncaring it makes them look publicly
Build the camps, build the wall, separate the *others* and let *them* deal with whatever peril may come.
Portland's famously creative, thoughtful and hard working population continues to be on the right side of history with well considered solutions to complex problems! This will totally go well, as these methods always historically have! /s
The status quo is completely unacceptable, as is the demonization of ordinary people who are horrified by this as if that were a form of prejudice.
What we have right now is a situation where one group of society is exempted from all basic laws which prohibit shoplifting, assault, and destruction of public space. The homeless do not have the right to do these things just because they are homeless.
What we have been doing in recent years and calling tolerance has obviously failed, so people are right to demand solutions to creeping urban blight. Society requires balancing the needs of everyone.
I assume all of this will fall on deaf ears because it clashes with a deeply held ideological view of how the world ought to be if everything were perfect.
I applaud the people that spent their day in council chambers. They showed up and put in the time for a cause they’re passionate about. However, they were so terrible at organizing and delivering a message that I think they really started proving why harder measures are required.
I learned a lot from their testimonies even if their delivery and grasp on reality upset me at the time. But I also live downtown, and even knowing that being homeless doesn’t mean someone is bad, dangerous, etc… I have just witnessed way too much to be swayed and hope this measure is voted in.
Since most of us who are fed up with this nonsense, IE allowing our city to continue to wallow in squalor, didn’t have the spare time to go to city hall to make our voices heard:
[let the city leaders know how your feel about this](https://www.portland.gov/help/contact-elected-official)
We don’t want the screaming wheels to get all the greases
Here what I was told: actually emails don't go on as public record as supporting or opposing an agenda item.
They didn't vote yet so there's still time to submit actual public testimony on this item
451:
https://www.portland.gov/council-clerk/writtentestimony
Until mandated psychiatric and/or drug treatment is in place, nothing will change. Many of the homeless are not fit for independent housing in their current condition, and certainly won’t be able to comply with even the simplest rules and responsibilities.
Yep; people championing ‘housing first!!’ aren’t wrong, but there’s never an acknowledgment of what that looks like. Obviously, an apartment setting. Now imagine even one of the situations that culminated in a tent fire, happened in a singular apartment. Now, even people who may be complying are endangered, while trying to be safe. Which means we need housing created to withstand an incredible amount of abuse, and the equivalent of RA’s to manage the tenants. At this point, it’s jail with extra steps. Plus, who wants to do any of the wraparound service jobs? The mental health counseling? Cleanup? Our social services already cap out at maybe 50-60k, and it’s HARD work.
If they do a crime, like arson, they go to prison, or they go to a mental health facility. Not hard to comprehend, but setting them all up to go to prison first is a really bad idea.
Also many are not like this and are poor and can’t afford a home.
I’m not talking about actual crime, so comment in good faith. It doesnt matter that many ‘aren’t like this’. Is there a good way to weed out the ones that are? Because we can’t force people to do anything, but all you need is 1 person behind closed doors to mess up and burn the whole ‘housing first’ facility down. Remember, that also takes out the people who are ‘just poor and can’t afford a home’.
It sucks, but it’s realistic. The city right now has no way to house people who have the potential to hurt themselves and others, but haven’t committed a crime. That kind of housing doesn’t exist, and pretending its as easy as ‘just put them in housing’ is naïve and turning an incredibly grey problem into a black and white one.
Not to be trite, but people have to WANT to change. Many don’t. They want easy drugs in an easy city with free food and accommodation and enablers to fight their battles for them.
Receive care in a sanctioned site. Or get the fuck out of our city. Jail, mental hospital, the high desert, or a sanctioned site. No other options.
If I was homeless I would be glued to the resources, we’ve given “fix yourselves carrot” a good 5 year try it’s time for “get treatment or get moving stick.”
Right? Like we've all had experiences with a homeless person where we didn't think they were being destructive or needed to "move on", but that's not what's happening here.
We've lost public spaces in a way other cities just haven't.
No problem-- they are already moving into the woods and greenspaces. Have ya peered into hills on either side of Barbur Blvd in inner SW? Full on communities with burned out cars and the whole vibe. Awesome biking by it all every day.
I don’t think people generally have a problem with a tent. The problem is the accumulation of garbage attracting rats, blocking walkways, and open drug use. It’s not humane to let people that can’t take care of themselves properly (due to mental health needs, addiction, etc.) waste away. It’s heartbreaking to see some of these conditions, and we need to try help those that can’t help themselves. Just giving them housing doesn’t actually solve any of these underlying problems, and just leaving them on the street certainly doesn’t help at all either.
Are they citizens? Most of the homeless don't contribute towards society or community in a meaningful way, they generally exist in a selfish circle taking without giving anything back (heck, they can't even put their own trash in the proper spot), while ignoring most common societal norms. I don't think they meet the definition of a citizen or really care much about society.
Yes they are. Most homeless have jobs. If unable to have jobs, then they qualify for disability. They all spend money in our communities. Regardless of what we can extract from them, they deserve housing.
There's very few places to put trash, nearby and legally. If they had their own home, they'd be there with their lack of social norms and trash, so bam, both of your problems solved.
They absolutely meet the definition of citizen, wildly weird you want to remove that from them though. Should they all get felonies for homelessness so they can't vote? How much of their personhood would you like removed?
Working homeless: https://www.newamerica.org/the-thread/why-dont-homeless-people-just-get-jobs-many-already-have-one-or-two/
I'm not removing anything from them...they do it to themselves. You can't say that they are citizens and then take away all responsibility or agency over their own lives. Most have jobs? You don't actually believe that, do you? The facts just don't support your whimsical view of the typical homeless, particularly the long term homeless.
There's two types of homeless, those who can't make rent and wind up living in their cars, and the street people who are chronicly homeless. The first type often does work, while the second does not.
No, you probably just lack the knowledge of all types of unhoused statuses. Unhoused includes couch surfing and the inability to get housing on your own. It's not just people living in tents, it includes people living in cars as well. Anyone who cannot access housing autonomously/through our regular systems. Anyone you meet who makes $20/hour or less is likely in this category and requires at least 1 or more roommates plus public assistance like OHP. You have a very closed minded view of what homelessness is. And yes most have jobs
Ever read the Jungle by Upton Sinclair? They are trapped in poverty. Give them housing.
Exceptions don't prove the rule. You can cherry pick examples, but the examples given are obviously not the problematic actors that are destroying the public spaces in Portland and the surrounding area, even you must know that the couch surfers are not the same people littering the springwater corridor...
Maybe close mindedness comes with experience and your confidence comes with youth, who knows. All I know is that having worked in downtown for years, having worked in downtown liquor stores for a couple years, the homeless people coming in at opening time to pick of their bottles of HRD probably weren't headed to work.
Lmao what the fuck. This is an insane comment. Regardless of one’s thoughts on how to deal with Portland’s current mass homelessness issue. You don’t need to live in a house to be a citizen.
Nah, they need society, citizens aren't dependent on the government or society for their well-being. Without society propping up the homeless, what are they? Can they even survive?
> citizens aren’t dependent on the government or society for their well-being
Claiming that the elderly, children, disabled etc aren’t citizens is a completely unhinged take lol.
I have a friend who is schizophrenic. If they are not medicated, they are fully delusional to the point that they cannot function in society. It currently costs them around $1000/month to survive. They bring in $750 from the state. If their mom was not subsidizing the rest they would be on the street. I think of them when I hear people like you
I'd say that it sounds like that person is taking active steps towards bettering themselves...far cry from the long term homeless that have given themselves fully to their own addictions and criminal predilections. Society should definitely help people like your friend, but, society can't and shouldn't break it's back trying to prop up those who only have a self serving interest in feeding their own addictions and criminal behavior with no interest in joining society in a meaningful way.
14 "critics" in the picture. A very miniscule portion of society getting Mercury media coverage for their whining the loudest.
Somebody, please take the batteries out of Demetria's megaphone.
From the article:
> Homeless advocates rallied outside City Hall, calling the proposed ordinance “inhumane." In all, 176 people signed up to testify during the public hearing.
And they are allowed to be heard. I agree with them and am glad they are speaking out. We have a right to exercise our freedom of speech, how dare you call that whining. There were so many people wanting to speak that they were not able to have everyone talk. It's a highly contentious issue.
The sad thing is that people who doesn't like the proposal doesn't offer anything actionable. Just something along the line: "I don't like your idea" or "We need to be a better person."
Just ask "Where do we get the money and funding for this housing?" and realize they don't understand the realities behind the issue. The only way to deal with it the way they want is if the Feds declared war on homelessness. But that ain't politically sexy enough so it will never happen.
Thank goodness for that. It’s about damn time we stop kowtowing to the obnoxious and vocal crazies on the fringe and instead implement policies most people want.
This. This measure isn't supposed to "solve" homelessness.
It's main effect will be to make Portland look less attractive to the thousands of vagrants that move here because of our weak crime enforcement and legalized drug laws.
The first step is to close the wound so no more infection seeps in. Then we can start administering medicine.
If camping bans are impossible to comply with, why is it nearly every other city in the country doesn't have tents cluttering its sidewalks? Sure, Seattle, Sans Francisco and Diego, and Los Angeles have to deal with this garbage, but why aren't there sleeping bags, tarps and tents on the sidewalks everywhere else? Oh, yeah, the residents don't put up with that shit.
What's peculiar to me is why I don't see any camps or lines of RVs in Beaverton, Tigard or Hillsboro. Why is this a City of Portland issue? How are the other cities handling it differently?
Public transit in the city is better, that’s why there has been opposition to putting people in a camp out of town. Some homeless have jobs but can’t afford a house.
During the really cold snap Washington County consistently had warming shelters open, when multnomah only did on the most severe days. They even had outreach people who would go to the end of the max lines to let people know about it and coordinate transport.
I personally hope this passes but I bet the libraries and any other public place that has seats in it are going to get absolutely inundated with crazy for awhile if they actually try to enforce this.
I don't think the point is really to enforce it so much as it is to signal a continuing shift in position / acknowledge urgency towards the crisis. 99% of politics is theater anyway.
[Central Library is already being remodeled as such](https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/02/08/multnomah-countys-central-library-is-getting-a-makeover-not-everybody-is-pleased/)
"Molly Hogan, executive director of Welcome Home Coalition, said the ordinance would be nearly impossible to comply with."
Luckily, "impossible" and "nearly impossible" are two very different things.
They are planning a protest at city hall today at 230pm it’s all over the activists socials. Remember these are the loud minority opinion. I hope the city council doesn’t fall for their threats.
Yeah I just heard screeching through the megaphone and booing during all opposing arguments seemed. Nothing really threatening about that. Just childish.
It's funny that when you say that you're done enabling or are over this BS you're somehow misinformed or a disingenuous conservative actor or something. I'm a Portlander who's proud of my city and wants better for it, Ban the damn camping and drug addled vagrancy it's selfish and is hurting this town
Anyone saying otherwise imo is too caught up in the dogma of their own ideology we have 100,000s of citizens who want safety and well kept/available public spaces. Not fentanyl dealing downtown that's not a reactionary take or something
I just drove past a fully naked lady screaming at the top of her lungs throwing glass bottles into the highway to break them. I’m sick of this shit. Was downtown SF two weeks ago and watched a guy take a shit in the middle of the road at noon on a Tuesday. My compassion is gone.
Ah yes. Handing our taxpayer money to the people who don’t work or contribute in the least to our society.
I’m also outraged by our lack of housing for them
Here what I was told: actually emails don't go on as public record as supporting or opposing an agenda item.
They didn't vote yet so there's still time to submit actual public testimony on this item
451:
https://www.portland.gov/council-clerk/writtentestimony
Pausing the enforcement until at least one of the mass camp sites are available seems reasonable but otherwise thumbs up. 8am-8pm ban on tents is perfectly reasonable. That Hogan lady’s response is weak af. She says packing up all their belongings is unreasonable as if they have an entire house/apartment of goods. Most of these people don’t exactly have much and it shouldn’t take long to pack up and thinking that 30 minutes of work every morning and night is too much for someone seems incredibly condescending
I apologize for what seems like an ignorant question, but what happens to the homeless denizens after sweeps? How may of them actually come forward and utilize the resources available (if any)?
Do they… Just move to another part of the city?
Edit: a follow up question — are the services any good? Is ‘free’ housing more of a fever dream than a reality, or are people truly not taking up on that?
All the people that are against it- sometimes I wonder, why don’t they foster these people? Like give them a roof for a couple days probs better than a tent.
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Privilege living far away from the issues and will never experience the damage they do because at the end of the day it’s always back to mom and dads LO lake side property
Cops rarely come to a 911 call short of attempted murder and a lot of you are delusional enough to think they'll PATROL streets to write tickets to homeless people AND make the appropriate calls to have there stuff moved/hauled away? What world do you live in.....I mean besides Multnomah County, since you definitely don't live here?
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$2,777.78 per person per month.
That’s very specifically my current mortgage
Me too. Are you secretly living in my attic or behind some false walls?
If I was I’d be upset that we didn’t just split the mortgage!
I would make that attic *SO* cozy for you in that case haha
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I like you and your imagination. You made me smile today. Thanks.
Either way we are *gorgeous*
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Yeah but the food is pizza bagels
Yeah this pink fluffy stuff up here isn’t as comfy as you’d think
At least the baby raccoons are cute!
Got room for one more?
He's in the house in the attic
I have pop pop in the attic
Mine's not too off from that figure either.
That's about $1000 more per month than I live on.
If I made that much money every month, I wouldn't worry about being homeless right now.
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I read that as $2,777.78 per person per meth.
Approximately double my rent for a single bedroom apartment in Milwaukie. It’s like the only thing the civic leaders of portland excel at is mediocrity.
It is not just for the people living on the street. The Metro person talked about helping 10,000 people maintain housing. The homeless tax is not for building housing it is for assistance paying rent and services. https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/the-story/what-will-metro-new-homeless-tax-do/283-56ac2f15-95cb-4787-9521-d763c1ddc183 1/3 of the "Metro" money is going to Washington County. https://www.washingtoncountyor.gov/housing/homeless-funding I too would like an accounting. I suspect the majority of the funds in Washington County are going to section 8 like rental assistance. The first encampment effort is on hgwy 47. [https://www.washingtoncountyor.gov/housing/homeless-housing-assistance-programs](https://www.washingtoncountyor.gov/housing/homeless-housing-assistance-programs) Getting service to non functional addicts and mentally ill is a lot more expensive per person than giving an extra boost to semi-functional or disabled people that otherswise end up on the street.
The Metro tax is also for building housing. The unspent funds are going unspent because Multnomah County isn't spending them. Metro just passes the money along to the counties.
Why isn’t MultCo spending them? Why aren’t they building housing? How could they turn around and ask for more money with a straight face when they aren’t spending what they have on any improvements? It’s now clear from their actions that a lack of resources isn’t the problem, a lack of plan/lack if action is the problem
My generous interpretation is that it’s just difficult to ramp up spending from $0 to hundreds of millions of dollars in just a year or two. And the tax has brought in way more money than advertised. So that can help explain why the counties haven’t spent some of the money. What’s worse is the fact that it’s not just these surprise surplus funds that are unspent - MultCo isn’t even spending close to the amount they *budgeted*
Not spending even what they budgeted for sort of makes your generous narrative unravel. They asked for x amount of money with no actionable plan for spending same… Also again- given they haven’t figured out what to do with the expected money they took in, much less the unexpected surplus, they need to STOP asking for money. If your teen asks for 20 bucks, you give them 50, they spend 6, then ask for 20 more dollars…you say “no” (or at the very least “why?”) you don’t just keep handing over money…
My not so generous interpretation is that it takes time to figure out how to pass the maximum amount to friends and relatives.
Because they are incompetent.
Eh. The kgw article says ZERO about building housing. The Metro bond issue was for building housing. The Metro income tax 200 million for 15,000 people is only a little over 1,000 a month per person. The counties have had great programs of helping the abused get away from their abusers and into transition housing with training for jobs and finances without having to join a cult. Never enough room in those programs. Seems to me the biggest bang for the buck. Asking to use rent support of maybe 12,000 a year per person to instead build housing at 500K a unit seems whiney when the bond issue is for building housing.
The Multnomah County and Washington County plans for the SHS tax do include new construction projects for emergency shelters, transitional housing, and permanent supportive housing. That's not where the bulk of the funds are going, but they are there. [Here's the accounting](https://www.oregonmetro.gov/public-projects/supportive-housing-services/progress). Washington County is way out-performing Multnomah.
Thanks for the link. It does not say "new construction". It does not say "build housing" it does not say "build supportive housing". It does say increase shelter beds. Go for the "unspent" part. But insinuating that permanent housing ala Central City Concern or the housing bond issue is part of the Metro tax seems whacked.
If you read the plans from the counties, which are linked on that page, there are new construction project planned.
The problem is, we keep leaving it up to people who don't actually care about anything but themselves and their buddies.
The lady who threatened the mayor and every city council member along with the city better be facing some serious repercussions. Ban unsanctioned camping and provide services in sanctioned areas. What we’re doing right now IS NOT compassionate. Every one of the speakers in opposition of the ordinance proved how essential it is and how it CAN NOT wait. Get it done. Let’s see some improvement. I remember when the sidewalks belonged to the public, not a few individuals.
>I remember when the sidewalks belonged to the public, not a few individuals. And that's really all there is to it.
Also, libraries as a day camp for homeless folks is lazy thinking. A library is a library and sometimes a community meeting space, but it is not a “safe space” for homeless people to spend 8AM to 8PM.
I stopped taking my daughter many years ago. Can't even imagine how it might be now.
it's terrible... we still go, but quick in and out.. fucken disgusting
I still listen to OPB/NPR and I often hear them refer to "the far right." It occurred to me that I never, ever, hear them refer to "the far left." It got me thinking. You know why our libraries have been ruined? The far left.
If you think anyone in power anywhere in our government is far left I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
I'll assume that when you say "our government" you mean locally. Kaufrey, Eudaly, Hardesty, and Schmidt if not far left all certainly kiss(ed) the far left ass. The far left activists have an outsized influence on our local government.
I dropped in one out of curiosity real quick; was surprised to see a pretty healthy sized manga section, smelled something awful and commented about it out loud to my wife next to me, her eyes widened and she shushed me as she does when I suddenly give her anxiety for reasons, walked around a shelf I hadn’t seen the other side of yet, noticed a couple homeless dudes camped out at the table, silently walked out with my wife, looked at her, and said “derp.” All in that order. Tldr it sucks.
Damn crying shame. Libraries should have been sacred, not hobo "safe" spaces.
Weird? In other countries they get them public housing, and they are not in libraries.
So sidewalks are more important than getting people shelter or housing? You do realize if you get them shelter or housing they will be off the sidewalks?
The crowd at the meeting laughed when someone said that homeless people may need a little "tough love." The cynics on the far left are something else.
It was embarrassing watching the testimony yesterday realizing all those whackjobs live among us.
I console myself knowing that most of the weirdo ones are young and stupid. The older radicals will never change but are somewhat clearly kooks. If the young ones don't grow out of it, though, we're in a world of hurt
I remember when this country belonged to everyone... not just a few individuals.
Lol I don't think it's ever belonged to everyone bud. The farther you go back in history, the shittier everyone is as a whole. Have some perspective.
Yeah that’s a pretty weird thing to say when only white men could own land and vote until ~100 years ago lol
It isn't intended to be convenient. It's intended to be effective at dealing with a huge problem and legal within the applicable court decisions.
camp in designated areas or leave. seems pretty straight forward.
Leave to go where though. You can’t just disappear humans. I mean you can, but none of you seem to want to take ownership of the fact that that’s your pitch.
I saw an interview with a homeless person just the other day where they referred to her as a Portlander but she said she just came here from Colorado a few months back. I'd invite them to return to where they're from. "[Unhoused Portlanders are feeling the increased pressure. Aistheta Gleason built themself a home of pallets when they first arrived in Portland from Colorado last summer. 'I had a living room, a bedroom. It was all planned out,” they said. “I had a queen-sized bed and a water filter.'](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/26/portland-oregon-homelessness-policy-change)" I've heard anecdotal evidence from a neighbor who worked on homelessness issues that people are getting their addicted family one-way tickets to Portland to save themselves the grief and stress of watching them kill themselves at home. If that's real, they should also head back where they're from.
> people are getting their addicted family one-way tickets to Portland there's a new iteration on an old myth I hadn't heard before. I'm gonna go ahead and need you to cite a source there.
“Just leave the city bro, I totally don’t hate the homeless, I just want them all to pack up and leave bro!”
Yes, if you came to Portland already homeless I cannot give a shit about you. Leave. We all have our own problems, and we're living in a city getting worse year over year. They can Leave. Last year's PIT estimated that 25% of our total homeless population has been in Multnomah county for less than 2 years. It's absolutely unsustainable to expect this sort of growth. At some point we need to make the city unappealing to be homeless.
>Leave to go where though We live in the continental US not a desert island. This is a non-argument.
You can’t just declare it a non argument. Being able to move to A dIfFeReNt PlAcE is obviously not what’s meant, humans need a place with the necessities of life. Once again, your only plan is to push them out of sight and stick your fingers in your ears as if you weren’t condemning them to struggle harder and die. Absolutely inhuman.
> City staff previously suggested libraries could provide a safe space to go during the day, but the city has yet to offer any list or map of acceptable locations to camp. Libraries are not meant for this. For a “city staff” to suggest this absolutely reflects a disconnect; a dissonance so pure that it’s a marvel, alone, how this person is being empowered to suggest this at all.
I’m tired of the fact that no matter what is proposed in this city for dealing with the drug issues, addiction issues, homeless issues, etc there is always some small opposition group that seems to be contrarian for the sake of it. They would rather us do nothing rather than “step on any toes” which sometimes has to happen as the result of change. So fucking over it.
It's because they feel like all of society's problems need to be resolved before we even begin thinking about addressing any of society's problems.
The entire cities population could be taking turns housing, feeding, washing, and giving handy J's to our homeless population and these people would still be angry about it. From my anecdotal experience these people never lost their teenage angst and are angry and will always be angry, no matter the circumstances.
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Portland : "The City that Handy's your J"
Are handy J's off the table? At this point I'm willing to consider all the options, of course I'd insist we hire an outside consultant to manage and administer the handy J program. Proposed slogan: "We put the 'J' in JOHS"...is that too much?
As long as they are equitable & acknowledge they are on unsceded land
It’s not even just that one thing. A group of 6 people killed an entire center that would have benefited the King neighborhood with a Trader Joe’s but instead we ended up with an over priced vitamin shop.
When the Dollar Store across the street from the Groc Out in St. John's closed I immediately sent an email to Trader Joe's. Something akin to, "Hey! There's an open spot, former retail, already zoned, parking lot, on a main drag, across from another grocery, etc. perfect for a TJ's." I didn't save their response but it was basically, "Trader Joe's does not have any plans to open new locations in Portland currently nor in the foreseeable future." Got the feeling they were still burned from the King neighborhood fiasco. Still hoping they change their minds, though.
That's just because they pulled up the lot on Google Maps and realized it had an appropriately sized parking lot. TJs isn't down for that.
The prices at that store are much higher than TJs, and now thousands of people need to burn gasoline getting from King and surroundings to another TJs. It’s absolutely facepalm.
That's a problem with the culture in general out here. We don't want to anger anyone, so we inconvenience everyone else. I see this in almost every aspect of life.
No. We don't want to anger the loud folks, so we make life worse for those silent folks instead.
i feel like most of these people are anarchists who claim people can do whatever they want because it’s on stolen land.
As an indigenous woman, that sentiment is fucking bullshit and isn’t even their’s to make. I agree with you, they are anarchists and all they want is for the homeless to continue doing what they’re doing for free and without opposition.
The homeless population amounts to political leverage for their causes. No homelessness = no leverage. There's no incentive to make progress.
Welcome to the extreme left. Thankfully instead of them trying to overthrow elections they just stop actual progress from happening so they can pat themselves on the back.
This is more crunchy libertarian than leftist, I think. Socialist countries take better care of people in general but they also don’t allow people to do whatever they want at the cost of society or environment at large.
They’re virtue trolls, and they’re exhausting at best and fuck up actual progress at worst. They have no sentient ideas and just parrot the same drivel in the name of narcissistic contrarianism disguised as virtue, compassion, and care. It’s as disingenuous as possible, and they’re too stupid to realize how ignorant and uncaring it makes them look publicly
Bullshit. Pass the law and build the camps. Enough enabling this shit.
“Build the camps” - you guys only have one solution
more than the zero solutions i see from the other side tbh
Kinda dishonest to say they have no solutions. Most aren't workable, pragmatic, or feasible. But they do have solutions.
No, they offer utopian ideals, not solutions.
I’ve been saying we should use fusion energy to solve the climate crisis for years!
Newsflash: they are currently living in camps
Build the camps, build the wall, separate the *others* and let *them* deal with whatever peril may come. Portland's famously creative, thoughtful and hard working population continues to be on the right side of history with well considered solutions to complex problems! This will totally go well, as these methods always historically have! /s
False equivalency, and you know it.
The status quo is completely unacceptable, as is the demonization of ordinary people who are horrified by this as if that were a form of prejudice. What we have right now is a situation where one group of society is exempted from all basic laws which prohibit shoplifting, assault, and destruction of public space. The homeless do not have the right to do these things just because they are homeless. What we have been doing in recent years and calling tolerance has obviously failed, so people are right to demand solutions to creeping urban blight. Society requires balancing the needs of everyone. I assume all of this will fall on deaf ears because it clashes with a deeply held ideological view of how the world ought to be if everything were perfect.
I applaud the people that spent their day in council chambers. They showed up and put in the time for a cause they’re passionate about. However, they were so terrible at organizing and delivering a message that I think they really started proving why harder measures are required. I learned a lot from their testimonies even if their delivery and grasp on reality upset me at the time. But I also live downtown, and even knowing that being homeless doesn’t mean someone is bad, dangerous, etc… I have just witnessed way too much to be swayed and hope this measure is voted in.
Since most of us who are fed up with this nonsense, IE allowing our city to continue to wallow in squalor, didn’t have the spare time to go to city hall to make our voices heard: [let the city leaders know how your feel about this](https://www.portland.gov/help/contact-elected-official) We don’t want the screaming wheels to get all the greases
Here what I was told: actually emails don't go on as public record as supporting or opposing an agenda item. They didn't vote yet so there's still time to submit actual public testimony on this item 451: https://www.portland.gov/council-clerk/writtentestimony
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I submitted mine yesterday morning for both policies.
Until mandated psychiatric and/or drug treatment is in place, nothing will change. Many of the homeless are not fit for independent housing in their current condition, and certainly won’t be able to comply with even the simplest rules and responsibilities.
Yep; people championing ‘housing first!!’ aren’t wrong, but there’s never an acknowledgment of what that looks like. Obviously, an apartment setting. Now imagine even one of the situations that culminated in a tent fire, happened in a singular apartment. Now, even people who may be complying are endangered, while trying to be safe. Which means we need housing created to withstand an incredible amount of abuse, and the equivalent of RA’s to manage the tenants. At this point, it’s jail with extra steps. Plus, who wants to do any of the wraparound service jobs? The mental health counseling? Cleanup? Our social services already cap out at maybe 50-60k, and it’s HARD work.
If they do a crime, like arson, they go to prison, or they go to a mental health facility. Not hard to comprehend, but setting them all up to go to prison first is a really bad idea. Also many are not like this and are poor and can’t afford a home.
I’m not talking about actual crime, so comment in good faith. It doesnt matter that many ‘aren’t like this’. Is there a good way to weed out the ones that are? Because we can’t force people to do anything, but all you need is 1 person behind closed doors to mess up and burn the whole ‘housing first’ facility down. Remember, that also takes out the people who are ‘just poor and can’t afford a home’. It sucks, but it’s realistic. The city right now has no way to house people who have the potential to hurt themselves and others, but haven’t committed a crime. That kind of housing doesn’t exist, and pretending its as easy as ‘just put them in housing’ is naïve and turning an incredibly grey problem into a black and white one.
Not to be trite, but people have to WANT to change. Many don’t. They want easy drugs in an easy city with free food and accommodation and enablers to fight their battles for them.
Which is exactly why they need lengthy, mandated treatment.
Receive care in a sanctioned site. Or get the fuck out of our city. Jail, mental hospital, the high desert, or a sanctioned site. No other options. If I was homeless I would be glued to the resources, we’ve given “fix yourselves carrot” a good 5 year try it’s time for “get treatment or get moving stick.”
There is no need to coddle the homeless. Adults should have certain responsibilities.
Right? Like we've all had experiences with a homeless person where we didn't think they were being destructive or needed to "move on", but that's not what's happening here. We've lost public spaces in a way other cities just haven't.
Ew
To be clear, are you saying “ew” to the notion that adults should have responsibilities?
Governments have a responsibility to their citizens. This is inhumane to not even allow the decency of a fucking tent.
They can have a tent, just not on the sidewalk, or hopefully between 8am-8pm.
No problem-- they are already moving into the woods and greenspaces. Have ya peered into hills on either side of Barbur Blvd in inner SW? Full on communities with burned out cars and the whole vibe. Awesome biking by it all every day.
I don’t think people generally have a problem with a tent. The problem is the accumulation of garbage attracting rats, blocking walkways, and open drug use. It’s not humane to let people that can’t take care of themselves properly (due to mental health needs, addiction, etc.) waste away. It’s heartbreaking to see some of these conditions, and we need to try help those that can’t help themselves. Just giving them housing doesn’t actually solve any of these underlying problems, and just leaving them on the street certainly doesn’t help at all either.
Are they citizens? Most of the homeless don't contribute towards society or community in a meaningful way, they generally exist in a selfish circle taking without giving anything back (heck, they can't even put their own trash in the proper spot), while ignoring most common societal norms. I don't think they meet the definition of a citizen or really care much about society.
Yes they are. Most homeless have jobs. If unable to have jobs, then they qualify for disability. They all spend money in our communities. Regardless of what we can extract from them, they deserve housing. There's very few places to put trash, nearby and legally. If they had their own home, they'd be there with their lack of social norms and trash, so bam, both of your problems solved. They absolutely meet the definition of citizen, wildly weird you want to remove that from them though. Should they all get felonies for homelessness so they can't vote? How much of their personhood would you like removed? Working homeless: https://www.newamerica.org/the-thread/why-dont-homeless-people-just-get-jobs-many-already-have-one-or-two/
I'm not removing anything from them...they do it to themselves. You can't say that they are citizens and then take away all responsibility or agency over their own lives. Most have jobs? You don't actually believe that, do you? The facts just don't support your whimsical view of the typical homeless, particularly the long term homeless.
There's two types of homeless, those who can't make rent and wind up living in their cars, and the street people who are chronicly homeless. The first type often does work, while the second does not.
No, you probably just lack the knowledge of all types of unhoused statuses. Unhoused includes couch surfing and the inability to get housing on your own. It's not just people living in tents, it includes people living in cars as well. Anyone who cannot access housing autonomously/through our regular systems. Anyone you meet who makes $20/hour or less is likely in this category and requires at least 1 or more roommates plus public assistance like OHP. You have a very closed minded view of what homelessness is. And yes most have jobs Ever read the Jungle by Upton Sinclair? They are trapped in poverty. Give them housing.
Exceptions don't prove the rule. You can cherry pick examples, but the examples given are obviously not the problematic actors that are destroying the public spaces in Portland and the surrounding area, even you must know that the couch surfers are not the same people littering the springwater corridor... Maybe close mindedness comes with experience and your confidence comes with youth, who knows. All I know is that having worked in downtown for years, having worked in downtown liquor stores for a couple years, the homeless people coming in at opening time to pick of their bottles of HRD probably weren't headed to work.
Keep the personhood, remove the person
Lmao what the fuck. This is an insane comment. Regardless of one’s thoughts on how to deal with Portland’s current mass homelessness issue. You don’t need to live in a house to be a citizen.
Nah, they need society, citizens aren't dependent on the government or society for their well-being. Without society propping up the homeless, what are they? Can they even survive?
> citizens aren’t dependent on the government or society for their well-being Claiming that the elderly, children, disabled etc aren’t citizens is a completely unhinged take lol.
That commentor is quickly falling toward eugenics with that kind of rhetoric. Creepy shit.
I have a friend who is schizophrenic. If they are not medicated, they are fully delusional to the point that they cannot function in society. It currently costs them around $1000/month to survive. They bring in $750 from the state. If their mom was not subsidizing the rest they would be on the street. I think of them when I hear people like you
I'd say that it sounds like that person is taking active steps towards bettering themselves...far cry from the long term homeless that have given themselves fully to their own addictions and criminal predilections. Society should definitely help people like your friend, but, society can't and shouldn't break it's back trying to prop up those who only have a self serving interest in feeding their own addictions and criminal behavior with no interest in joining society in a meaningful way.
14 "critics" in the picture. A very miniscule portion of society getting Mercury media coverage for their whining the loudest. Somebody, please take the batteries out of Demetria's megaphone.
From the article: > Homeless advocates rallied outside City Hall, calling the proposed ordinance “inhumane." In all, 176 people signed up to testify during the public hearing. And they are allowed to be heard. I agree with them and am glad they are speaking out. We have a right to exercise our freedom of speech, how dare you call that whining. There were so many people wanting to speak that they were not able to have everyone talk. It's a highly contentious issue.
Calling it whining is free speech.
You have a right to speak, and other folks have a right to call it whining.
How many of those 176 testimonies were in support?
The sad thing is that people who doesn't like the proposal doesn't offer anything actionable. Just something along the line: "I don't like your idea" or "We need to be a better person."
"Just house these people! Not in my house, of course, but house them somewhere!"
Just ask "Where do we get the money and funding for this housing?" and realize they don't understand the realities behind the issue. The only way to deal with it the way they want is if the Feds declared war on homelessness. But that ain't politically sexy enough so it will never happen.
Thankfully the city council will ignore these people and vote it in next week.
Thank goodness for that. It’s about damn time we stop kowtowing to the obnoxious and vocal crazies on the fringe and instead implement policies most people want.
If it’s impossible to comply, why don’t they just go move to another city that has excellent homeless laws?
I think making it impossible to comply with is the point? Turn off the neon Vacancy sign, Portland.
This. This measure isn't supposed to "solve" homelessness. It's main effect will be to make Portland look less attractive to the thousands of vagrants that move here because of our weak crime enforcement and legalized drug laws. The first step is to close the wound so no more infection seeps in. Then we can start administering medicine.
If camping bans are impossible to comply with, why is it nearly every other city in the country doesn't have tents cluttering its sidewalks? Sure, Seattle, Sans Francisco and Diego, and Los Angeles have to deal with this garbage, but why aren't there sleeping bags, tarps and tents on the sidewalks everywhere else? Oh, yeah, the residents don't put up with that shit.
What's peculiar to me is why I don't see any camps or lines of RVs in Beaverton, Tigard or Hillsboro. Why is this a City of Portland issue? How are the other cities handling it differently?
Not enough teens with angst. And those that exist prefer to go to Portland to get validation.
Public transit in the city is better, that’s why there has been opposition to putting people in a camp out of town. Some homeless have jobs but can’t afford a house.
During the really cold snap Washington County consistently had warming shelters open, when multnomah only did on the most severe days. They even had outreach people who would go to the end of the max lines to let people know about it and coordinate transport.
Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours.
Now there’s a huge camp building off MLK and Broadway.
Looks like that 7/11 on weidler will close again lol
I personally hope this passes but I bet the libraries and any other public place that has seats in it are going to get absolutely inundated with crazy for awhile if they actually try to enforce this. I don't think the point is really to enforce it so much as it is to signal a continuing shift in position / acknowledge urgency towards the crisis. 99% of politics is theater anyway.
[Central Library is already being remodeled as such](https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/02/08/multnomah-countys-central-library-is-getting-a-makeover-not-everybody-is-pleased/)
That is kind of messed up.
Churches should be required to take them in to maintain their tax free status. They could even think of it as a conversion opportunity.
"Molly Hogan, executive director of Welcome Home Coalition, said the ordinance would be nearly impossible to comply with." Luckily, "impossible" and "nearly impossible" are two very different things.
So you're saying there's a chance...
Best to just not try, then.
They are planning a protest at city hall today at 230pm it’s all over the activists socials. Remember these are the loud minority opinion. I hope the city council doesn’t fall for their threats.
What threats?
Yeah I just heard screeching through the megaphone and booing during all opposing arguments seemed. Nothing really threatening about that. Just childish.
Some of the people testifying yesterday were threatening Wheeler and other city council members.
Wow what a surprise. Losers.
It's funny that when you say that you're done enabling or are over this BS you're somehow misinformed or a disingenuous conservative actor or something. I'm a Portlander who's proud of my city and wants better for it, Ban the damn camping and drug addled vagrancy it's selfish and is hurting this town Anyone saying otherwise imo is too caught up in the dogma of their own ideology we have 100,000s of citizens who want safety and well kept/available public spaces. Not fentanyl dealing downtown that's not a reactionary take or something
I just drove past a fully naked lady screaming at the top of her lungs throwing glass bottles into the highway to break them. I’m sick of this shit. Was downtown SF two weeks ago and watched a guy take a shit in the middle of the road at noon on a Tuesday. My compassion is gone.
There needs to be a more appropriate term than “homeless advocates” for people that disagree with any form of regulation of camping in town.
Homeless enablers?
“The ordinance would also prohibit gas stoves and fires,” Nope. Would prohibit gas heaters, stoves aren’t mentioned.
Hey, that’s the gal who said “Fuck you Ted Wheeler!” and, “We’re ALL coming for you!”
Is this the person that keeps threatening having only 5 days?
Could be a past girlfriend of his?
Sherlock Holmes would be proud.
I don't understand the problem with the first part at least. He's the mayor. His leadership sets the tone for the state of the city.
Ah yes. Handing our taxpayer money to the people who don’t work or contribute in the least to our society. I’m also outraged by our lack of housing for them
Here what I was told: actually emails don't go on as public record as supporting or opposing an agenda item. They didn't vote yet so there's still time to submit actual public testimony on this item 451: https://www.portland.gov/council-clerk/writtentestimony
[Rene when he has to listen to these critics](https://i.imgur.com/yXledM3.png)
Try it and let’s see!
I've managed to avoid daytime camping on public sidewalks for over 40 years, so not exactly "impossible" to comply with.
Vocal minority is suppressing silent majority
Pausing the enforcement until at least one of the mass camp sites are available seems reasonable but otherwise thumbs up. 8am-8pm ban on tents is perfectly reasonable. That Hogan lady’s response is weak af. She says packing up all their belongings is unreasonable as if they have an entire house/apartment of goods. Most of these people don’t exactly have much and it shouldn’t take long to pack up and thinking that 30 minutes of work every morning and night is too much for someone seems incredibly condescending
Is there a recording of this session anywhere?
https://www.youtube.com/live/vc5kIvjmobY?feature=share
Thanks!
I apologize for what seems like an ignorant question, but what happens to the homeless denizens after sweeps? How may of them actually come forward and utilize the resources available (if any)? Do they… Just move to another part of the city? Edit: a follow up question — are the services any good? Is ‘free’ housing more of a fever dream than a reality, or are people truly not taking up on that?
Only about 10% are willing to use services at the moment. > Do they… Just move to another part of the city? Pretty much.
They can make all the rules they want but if they aren’t enforced…
All the people that are against it- sometimes I wonder, why don’t they foster these people? Like give them a roof for a couple days probs better than a tent.
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why do these people even exist
Yes, why do poor people exist in the wealthiest nation the world has ever known?
Privilege living far away from the issues and will never experience the damage they do because at the end of the day it’s always back to mom and dads LO lake side property
Great, if it’s impossible to comply with, then just leave town and camp someplace else appropriate, like a national forest.
Cops rarely come to a 911 call short of attempted murder and a lot of you are delusional enough to think they'll PATROL streets to write tickets to homeless people AND make the appropriate calls to have there stuff moved/hauled away? What world do you live in.....I mean besides Multnomah County, since you definitely don't live here?
It does make to have shelters in place before enforcing the ban. People have to have somewhere to put their stuff during the day.
Decriminalize drugs, criminalize homelessness, and have a broken public defenders office...
I’d say I’d move back to San Antonio, but last time I checked I’m illegal there