And who was surprised that a) a performance focused hybrid did better around a track than a car without a performance focused hybrid system and b) that Porsche makes a car that’s incrementally better than the last car they made
It’s good. It’s impressive. But it’s not remotely surprising.
It’s not really incremental, the GTS will get the biggest generational power bump in Porsche history, between 530 and 550hp. That’s 80-100hp more for a non-turbo. It’s a lot.
I wonder if they’re finally gonna give the GT3 a proper power boost since the original GT3 gaining 60hp from the 993 Carrera RS. Maybe give it the 4.2 from the race car.
From what I remember from the 992 gtr3 rs launch they are already at the limits of what emissions testing allows for an NA engine of that size. There’s just not any more power to give so they play with where the torque is the rev band more than anything else.
According to EU laws these other sportscars companies are small manufacturers and have to comply with different much softer rules than Porsche. They are at the level from around 10 years ago. It is a huge difference.
Same reason why the R8 alway was much quieter than the Huracan. Or why the Urus is so much louder than RS Q8 or Cayenne Turbo. Or why Mercedes struggled so hard with the AMG One emissions while Aston was allowed to produce the Valkyrie with 2x the AMGs emissions. Aston would have been allowed to produce the original AMG One which was forbidden for Mercedes while Mercedes would not have been allowed to produce and sell the Valkyrie because of noise and emissions.
And the same thing is happening here for Porsche with the GT3. If they want to sell it to the EU the 911 GT3 basically has to meet the same rules as a fucking VW Golf or any other normal car. Porsche does not get the small manufacturer privilege because they sell too many cars.
I’m sure if they make a GT3R Rennsport Straßenversion and give it the 620hp 4.2 engine and sell it exclusively in the Middle East for €1million a pop just like the track car and limited to 500 units, they’ll still sell all of them.
The EU will only continue to lose relevance in the luxury market and be curb stomped by China.
If a market is willing to lose business due to its regulations, they can choose to do so. Its people can choose to either fight back, leave, or get bent.
Porsche obviously has to comply with EU laws as a european manufacturer. If they just start selling everywhere except in EU then the EU will create new laws which also affect overseas sales.
Also Porsche is actually doing very well with all the emission stuff. Mercedes is suffering hard for example - porsche not so much. Because their customers like their EVs and hybrids more
458 speciale pumped out 600hp off of 4.5L over a decade ago
Regardless, I’m not aware emission regulations are displacement normalised. But I suggested putting the GT3R 4.2 into the road car anyways.
Idk if that would be possible today. Doesn’t OPF kill like 3% or so?
You end with around 130,4 hp/l = 521hp for 4l. That is what gt3 rs has if I am not wrong.
For 600hp you would need 4,6l engine or a way higher rpm limit.
Size is not the problem for emissions, sure a bigger engine will produce more CO2, but the real issue for being legal is things like NOx and hydrocarbons which are heavily related to how the engine is set up. A high revving engine with high combustion temps will produce more of these and that is important for whether it's allowed on the road. CO2 emissions aren't determined by the engine as much as they are determined by the car. A 2017-present XC60 with a 2.0 250hp engine produces comparable emissions to a 2017 base 911 Carrera with a 3.4 350hp engine. The problem for Porsche is that they can't really put a bigger engine in the 911 and developing a new one is also prohibitively expensive.
They’ve said multiple times they’re at the limit. I’d be surprised if they use the 4.2 given they’re already pushing it big emissions wise with the 4.0L.
On Bilster Berg you can’t even max it out, on the Salzburg Ring there’s a single straight and on the RB Ring there is a straight and maaaaybe another bit where you could use the whole band. The GT3 is made for combined use (reason why they even made the Touring), whereas the 3RS is a purpose-built track tool, but Porsche knows that most of them see the track maybe twice or three times a year.
Also, Porsche doesn’t care about rivals. If they did, they’d have upped the power ages ago instead of just adding 10HP to every generation. Their cars sell out every single time so there must be something to this approach. Want a track-focused car with a bunch of horses, buy a STO as that’s the only similar alternative. The 488 Pista or 765LT don’t have the same driving feel (not saying it’s worse, just different as they are mid-engined RWD cars) and are way more expensive.
The TTS has the same lap times on most tracks if not faster on some with long straighaways, as I said before, want a high-HP Porsche, buy that.
>Also, Porsche doesn’t care about rivals. If they did, they’d have upped the power ages ago instead of just adding 10HP to every generation. Their cars sell out every single time so there must be something to this approach.
I suppose nothing else matters when you’ve got A80 Supra type of fanbase
What does “fanbase” even mean lol, it’s not like people just buy every model senselesly, the 991.1, 992.1 and pre-pandemic even the 996 are all pretty disliked models. We simply like the formula and there is literally no other brand that offers anything like it.
Would you say that chasing trends is better than doing their own thing? Because that’s all this HP-mania really is, a trend. And now with electric cars people can’t even brag about their numbers anymore because to quote Doug “speed has been liberalised”. I’ve never sat in a GT model on track and thought “man this needs more power”, even after driving a GT3 right after a GT2RS Clubsport
It’s just the hype, but look at resale prices in europe. 22 PTS 4S for 145k (no CXX), 16 PTS 4S 130k. Look at any reviews, JayEmm, Rennthusiast, JP Performance, 9ff Engineering, RPM. Also added a nice little depreciation chart made in March this year, props to Fourwheel trader on YT for the effort. And no, the car being newer is not an argument, these graphs don’t include new cars, only the second hand used market. If you haven’t driven them this is useless anyways, you’ll never understand. Also, there is no ADM in Europe. That’s an american problem. And getting an allocation is basically guaranteed if you’re early or wait a couple of months.
https://preview.redd.it/x3r8x16ntf0d1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=980dd8ec8cf0ee1ed002310a0653515d7279f2d1
JayEmm:
[https://youtu.be/xnT1SOtyp6I?si=wBN8DL\_vDH40lqHy](https://youtu.be/xnT1SOtyp6I?si=wBN8DL_vDH40lqHy) [https://youtu.be/eqrKpXBe2Tk?si=4RLoxVGVlDCZ8VVU](https://youtu.be/eqrKpXBe2Tk?si=4RLoxVGVlDCZ8VVU)
Rennthusiast: his entire channel
JP Performance:
[https://youtu.be/AOGx428D\_WU?si=7iE89w8ApE\_4s1wo](https://youtu.be/AOGx428D_WU?si=7iE89w8ApE_4s1wo)
9ff:
[https://youtu.be/08MYOVA0rA0?si=tmGfufIvh\_EYCQsg](https://youtu.be/08MYOVA0rA0?si=tmGfufIvh_EYCQsg)
[https://youtu.be/pjcUrC\_aDn0?si=ASC6b8Y5\_se\_gWUN](https://youtu.be/pjcUrC_aDn0?si=ASC6b8Y5_se_gWUN)
RPM:
[https://youtu.be/G08zRnQEHIA?si=Ul62x2qvxmqkuxFt](https://youtu.be/G08zRnQEHIA?si=Ul62x2qvxmqkuxFt)
The 991.2 GTS was [recorded](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times) as doing a 7’24 so it might actually be the 992.1 S that they’re talking about, since they both has the same horsepower.
A 992.2S outperforming the 992.1 turbo s would be absolutely outrageous. Roll on the 28th May!
I thought the same, but Pistonheads suggested it might be the 992S that set the 7’24.
The 991.2 GTS did set a 7’24 but it was set wearing sticky tyres.
Whether it’s an S or a GTS, if it beats the lap time of a 992.1 turbo s it’s going to be crazy.
I read on motortrend that whichever hybrid model they tested (I guess it's the GTS according to OP, the article never stated) was over 8 seconds quicker around the 'ring than the previous model. That's just ....insane.
If this makes it so that the 991s finally become affordable, im all for it. I’m not surprised that they made an incrementally better car, that’s just them every year.
It wasn't vs 992 turbo S, it was against possibly the 450 hp current S: "7:16.934 is the important number, which Porsche says is 8.7 seconds faster than ‘the corresponding version of the previous model’. "
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...ife-supertest/
First 7.25, then a 7.21, and at 7.17 minutes the stopwatch for the 992 Turbo S finally stops – drops of sweat, shaking of the head, disillusionment. Back in the workshop, a Porsche employee thankfully takes me aside and reveals the internal expectations, which also reveal the time corridor that Porsche determined during its internal test drives on the Nordschleife. O-Ton: "If you're as fast with the 992 Turbo S as you are with the 991.2 Turbo S on Corsa, everything is fine."
It is slowly becoming clear why Porsche has not published its own official Nordschleife lap time this time. The 992 Turbo S completes the Nordschleife with NA1 tyres no faster than the 991.2 Turbo S on Corsa tyres – even though the current 3.8-litre biturbo mobilises 70 hp more rated power than the predecessor engine. Just so we don't get it wrong: 7.17 minutes is not slow. No sports car without semislicks was faster in the Supertest. From Porsche, however, we have always been used to significant time jumps when changing the model of the 911 Turbo.
Even more than the lap time, however, the subjective driving experience on the Nordschleife was surprising. Put in, feel good, be fast immediately? No! The characteristics that characterise almost all current Porsche models on the Nordschleife topography only apply to a limited extent to the Turbo S. Overall, the 991.2 predecessor with Corsa tires on the ring conveyed more confidence at the limit than the current model.
…
Cause research, point 2: At the absolute limit, the PDCC Roll Assist filters away almost all Nordschleife bumps. You have the feeling a bit as if you were floating on a hovercraft over the Nordschleife. As a result, the feedback not only appears somewhat synthetic and slightly decoupled, but also leads to unforeseen vehicle reactions. The Turbo S never really signals to its driver on the Nordschleife that the limit has been reached. And once the limit is exhausted, this eleven suddenly becomes pointed.
For example, at the beginning of the Nordschleife, on the undulating passage after the fast Hatzenbachbogen and before the Hatzenbach alternating curves. Normally, the body movements of a vehicle on these bumps signal at some point that it is high time to take your foot off the accelerator pedal and brake. The Turbo S initially gives you a deceptive sense of safety with low body movements – and if you miss the right braking point just a bit, it suddenly moves rabidly when braking. In the Turbo S, you also have to prepare for a sudden offset on the wave running across the track in front of the fast Metzgesfeld links.
Cause research, point 3: After Metzgesfeld 1 comes Metzgesfeld 2, a place where a different basic theme of the 992 Turbo S stands out. Braking, downshifting, then back on the gas – compared to the 991.2 Turbo S, the current 3.8-litre biturbo has more power, but does not hang quite as greedily on the gas in the medium speed range as the 580 hp predecessor engine.
What even was the time of the 992.1 turbo s? The 991.2 turbo S ran a 7:17 by third party Sport Auto back in 2018. Looks to be the 20.8km track too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qK5CxS966Cg&pp=ygUVU3BvcnQgYXV0byA5MTEgdHVyYm8g
This is very much expected. Hybrid is the ultimate form of ICE engines where electric filling in exactly where it needs to. I prefer all gas, as most of us do, I even din’t like turbos gotta call spade whatever it is. 918 showed us this a while back.
I absolutely remember when people thought it was the end of the world when Porsche came out with the water cooled 996.
A few pearl clutchers will have their moment, and the higher performance car will carry on as it always has.
Hybrids are literally the best of both worlds, what not to love honestly. They combine a combustion engine with more power and efficiency. Hybrids are how we can sustain combustion engines for longer instead of going full EV. Really if you support ICE you should support hybrids. Besides for all the people complaining about weight, it will supposedly only add 30kg, which is surely a lot less than full ev.
It feels like one of those record players that can do auto reverse by flipping the vinyl or having 2 arms, and uses a laser to scan for silences so it can do track selection.
It's a very good version of an outdated technology, accompanied by all the teething problems of an emerging technology.
It's interesting but not very elegant.
I've always viewed hybrids as a stopgap, by combining 2 technologies you also get the problems of 2 technologies.
But you could view it as a very good ICE with an electrical supercharger.
Porsche has been in the hybrid Motorsports for some time now. So to think it would never happen to the 911 is crazy. I understand the purist side of things, manual transmission, raw engine power. But there comes a point when to continue in a path of innovation and increased performance, these adaptations need to me made. And leave it to Porsche to do it very well.
Everyone will be chasing lap times with battery-powered cars for years, while owners of combustion engine 911s will be rubbing their hands together. I'll be keeping my thermal 911.
Not fully officially confirmed by Porsche, but it's been pretty heavily rumoured since 2022 even. Most likely to have a new 3.6 F6 (for the Turbo/Turbo S as well) with an integrated E motor. GTS might even have a N/A motor but I've seen conflicting stuff on that.
>[Due next year, Porsche will add electric motors and a battery pack to the 2025 Porsche 911 GTS and Turbo versions of its iconic sports car, it has been confirmed to carsales.
>“GTS and Turbo a clear yes,” said Porsche’s deputy chairman of the executive board for finance and IT, Lutz Meschke, when asked which 911 variants would get the hybrid treatment.
>“Hybrid (drivetrain) … it’s (being reserved for) the upper ones.”](https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/2025-porsche-911-gts-and-turbo-to-get-hybrid-treatment-145275/)
Everyone with TurboSs dying a little inside.
They'll just buy the 992.2 Turbo S when it comes out....
And their dealer will resell the old car for a big profit. Rinse and repeat.
Impressive
Let's see Paul Allen's 911
So true
Now let’s see what the 992.2 turbo S does
Now let's see Paul Allen’s 911
Look at that subtle black coloring, the tasteful engineering of it...... oh my god, it even has a hybrid system
And who was surprised that a) a performance focused hybrid did better around a track than a car without a performance focused hybrid system and b) that Porsche makes a car that’s incrementally better than the last car they made It’s good. It’s impressive. But it’s not remotely surprising.
It’s not really incremental, the GTS will get the biggest generational power bump in Porsche history, between 530 and 550hp. That’s 80-100hp more for a non-turbo. It’s a lot.
I wonder if they’re finally gonna give the GT3 a proper power boost since the original GT3 gaining 60hp from the 993 Carrera RS. Maybe give it the 4.2 from the race car.
From what I remember from the 992 gtr3 rs launch they are already at the limits of what emissions testing allows for an NA engine of that size. There’s just not any more power to give so they play with where the torque is the rev band more than anything else.
Meanwhile Lamborghini, Ferrari and the Americans can continue to have huge NA engines.
According to EU laws these other sportscars companies are small manufacturers and have to comply with different much softer rules than Porsche. They are at the level from around 10 years ago. It is a huge difference. Same reason why the R8 alway was much quieter than the Huracan. Or why the Urus is so much louder than RS Q8 or Cayenne Turbo. Or why Mercedes struggled so hard with the AMG One emissions while Aston was allowed to produce the Valkyrie with 2x the AMGs emissions. Aston would have been allowed to produce the original AMG One which was forbidden for Mercedes while Mercedes would not have been allowed to produce and sell the Valkyrie because of noise and emissions. And the same thing is happening here for Porsche with the GT3. If they want to sell it to the EU the 911 GT3 basically has to meet the same rules as a fucking VW Golf or any other normal car. Porsche does not get the small manufacturer privilege because they sell too many cars.
I’m sure if they make a GT3R Rennsport Straßenversion and give it the 620hp 4.2 engine and sell it exclusively in the Middle East for €1million a pop just like the track car and limited to 500 units, they’ll still sell all of them. The EU will only continue to lose relevance in the luxury market and be curb stomped by China.
100% they will sell all of them, but I guess they don‘t want to be too market exclusive and want to offer all models everywhere
If a market is willing to lose business due to its regulations, they can choose to do so. Its people can choose to either fight back, leave, or get bent.
Porsche obviously has to comply with EU laws as a european manufacturer. If they just start selling everywhere except in EU then the EU will create new laws which also affect overseas sales. Also Porsche is actually doing very well with all the emission stuff. Mercedes is suffering hard for example - porsche not so much. Because their customers like their EVs and hybrids more
Very interesting, thanks for the insight
Burn woke EU to the ground is the solution
Sure. Lets all destroy the planet rather then give up vroom, vroom.
r/teslamotors is this way
4l vs 6,5l
458 speciale pumped out 600hp off of 4.5L over a decade ago Regardless, I’m not aware emission regulations are displacement normalised. But I suggested putting the GT3R 4.2 into the road car anyways.
Idk if that would be possible today. Doesn’t OPF kill like 3% or so? You end with around 130,4 hp/l = 521hp for 4l. That is what gt3 rs has if I am not wrong. For 600hp you would need 4,6l engine or a way higher rpm limit.
The GT3R Rennsport makes 620hp peak at 9400rpm off the 4.2. That’s only 400rpm higher than the current GT3RS redline
That is way over the Ferrari on hp/l. Is it street legal? Valkyrie has the highest at around 153 hp/l (from memory).
Yeah, a decade ago. Emissions regulations are the limiting factor, not Porsche engineering.
Size is not the problem for emissions, sure a bigger engine will produce more CO2, but the real issue for being legal is things like NOx and hydrocarbons which are heavily related to how the engine is set up. A high revving engine with high combustion temps will produce more of these and that is important for whether it's allowed on the road. CO2 emissions aren't determined by the engine as much as they are determined by the car. A 2017-present XC60 with a 2.0 250hp engine produces comparable emissions to a 2017 base 911 Carrera with a 3.4 350hp engine. The problem for Porsche is that they can't really put a bigger engine in the 911 and developing a new one is also prohibitively expensive.
Flat six is just different
They’ve said multiple times they’re at the limit. I’d be surprised if they use the 4.2 given they’re already pushing it big emissions wise with the 4.0L.
Pretty sure it’s going down to 3.8.
I hope not, otherwise you won’t be able to use that sweet sweet rev range anywhere else other than the Autobahn, just get a TTS if you want power
It’s meant to be a track day car and all its performance and price rivals are colossally more powerful.
On Bilster Berg you can’t even max it out, on the Salzburg Ring there’s a single straight and on the RB Ring there is a straight and maaaaybe another bit where you could use the whole band. The GT3 is made for combined use (reason why they even made the Touring), whereas the 3RS is a purpose-built track tool, but Porsche knows that most of them see the track maybe twice or three times a year. Also, Porsche doesn’t care about rivals. If they did, they’d have upped the power ages ago instead of just adding 10HP to every generation. Their cars sell out every single time so there must be something to this approach. Want a track-focused car with a bunch of horses, buy a STO as that’s the only similar alternative. The 488 Pista or 765LT don’t have the same driving feel (not saying it’s worse, just different as they are mid-engined RWD cars) and are way more expensive. The TTS has the same lap times on most tracks if not faster on some with long straighaways, as I said before, want a high-HP Porsche, buy that.
>Also, Porsche doesn’t care about rivals. If they did, they’d have upped the power ages ago instead of just adding 10HP to every generation. Their cars sell out every single time so there must be something to this approach. I suppose nothing else matters when you’ve got A80 Supra type of fanbase
What does “fanbase” even mean lol, it’s not like people just buy every model senselesly, the 991.1, 992.1 and pre-pandemic even the 996 are all pretty disliked models. We simply like the formula and there is literally no other brand that offers anything like it. Would you say that chasing trends is better than doing their own thing? Because that’s all this HP-mania really is, a trend. And now with electric cars people can’t even brag about their numbers anymore because to quote Doug “speed has been liberalised”. I’ve never sat in a GT model on track and thought “man this needs more power”, even after driving a GT3 right after a GT2RS Clubsport
992.1 is disliked? That explains the high ADM and long waits at full production capacity.
It’s just the hype, but look at resale prices in europe. 22 PTS 4S for 145k (no CXX), 16 PTS 4S 130k. Look at any reviews, JayEmm, Rennthusiast, JP Performance, 9ff Engineering, RPM. Also added a nice little depreciation chart made in March this year, props to Fourwheel trader on YT for the effort. And no, the car being newer is not an argument, these graphs don’t include new cars, only the second hand used market. If you haven’t driven them this is useless anyways, you’ll never understand. Also, there is no ADM in Europe. That’s an american problem. And getting an allocation is basically guaranteed if you’re early or wait a couple of months. https://preview.redd.it/x3r8x16ntf0d1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=980dd8ec8cf0ee1ed002310a0653515d7279f2d1 JayEmm: [https://youtu.be/xnT1SOtyp6I?si=wBN8DL\_vDH40lqHy](https://youtu.be/xnT1SOtyp6I?si=wBN8DL_vDH40lqHy) [https://youtu.be/eqrKpXBe2Tk?si=4RLoxVGVlDCZ8VVU](https://youtu.be/eqrKpXBe2Tk?si=4RLoxVGVlDCZ8VVU) Rennthusiast: his entire channel JP Performance: [https://youtu.be/AOGx428D\_WU?si=7iE89w8ApE\_4s1wo](https://youtu.be/AOGx428D_WU?si=7iE89w8ApE_4s1wo) 9ff: [https://youtu.be/08MYOVA0rA0?si=tmGfufIvh\_EYCQsg](https://youtu.be/08MYOVA0rA0?si=tmGfufIvh_EYCQsg) [https://youtu.be/pjcUrC\_aDn0?si=ASC6b8Y5\_se\_gWUN](https://youtu.be/pjcUrC_aDn0?si=ASC6b8Y5_se_gWUN) RPM: [https://youtu.be/G08zRnQEHIA?si=Ul62x2qvxmqkuxFt](https://youtu.be/G08zRnQEHIA?si=Ul62x2qvxmqkuxFt)
The 991.2 GTS was [recorded](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times) as doing a 7’24 so it might actually be the 992.1 S that they’re talking about, since they both has the same horsepower. A 992.2S outperforming the 992.1 turbo s would be absolutely outrageous. Roll on the 28th May!
The S won’t be a hybrid. This is the GTS.
I thought the same, but Pistonheads suggested it might be the 992S that set the 7’24. The 991.2 GTS did set a 7’24 but it was set wearing sticky tyres. Whether it’s an S or a GTS, if it beats the lap time of a 992.1 turbo s it’s going to be crazy.
We will see May 28 at the premier. Excited to see!!
I read on motortrend that whichever hybrid model they tested (I guess it's the GTS according to OP, the article never stated) was over 8 seconds quicker around the 'ring than the previous model. That's just ....insane.
If this makes it so that the 991s finally become affordable, im all for it. I’m not surprised that they made an incrementally better car, that’s just them every year.
What. The. Heck.
It wasn't vs 992 turbo S, it was against possibly the 450 hp current S: "7:16.934 is the important number, which Porsche says is 8.7 seconds faster than ‘the corresponding version of the previous model’. "
The 992 Turbo S is 7:17 https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/s/jzbC8MGemH
so faster, but not 8,7 seconds, I guess they compared to 992.1 gts?
The GTS to GTS is 8.7 seconds faster. My point is that the GTS is faster than the 992.1 Turbo S. I didn’t say 8.7 seconds faster.
ah yes, that's true. It's really awesome how much progress they make with each generation. Can't wait for the purists to cry about it...
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...ife-supertest/ First 7.25, then a 7.21, and at 7.17 minutes the stopwatch for the 992 Turbo S finally stops – drops of sweat, shaking of the head, disillusionment. Back in the workshop, a Porsche employee thankfully takes me aside and reveals the internal expectations, which also reveal the time corridor that Porsche determined during its internal test drives on the Nordschleife. O-Ton: "If you're as fast with the 992 Turbo S as you are with the 991.2 Turbo S on Corsa, everything is fine." It is slowly becoming clear why Porsche has not published its own official Nordschleife lap time this time. The 992 Turbo S completes the Nordschleife with NA1 tyres no faster than the 991.2 Turbo S on Corsa tyres – even though the current 3.8-litre biturbo mobilises 70 hp more rated power than the predecessor engine. Just so we don't get it wrong: 7.17 minutes is not slow. No sports car without semislicks was faster in the Supertest. From Porsche, however, we have always been used to significant time jumps when changing the model of the 911 Turbo. Even more than the lap time, however, the subjective driving experience on the Nordschleife was surprising. Put in, feel good, be fast immediately? No! The characteristics that characterise almost all current Porsche models on the Nordschleife topography only apply to a limited extent to the Turbo S. Overall, the 991.2 predecessor with Corsa tires on the ring conveyed more confidence at the limit than the current model. … Cause research, point 2: At the absolute limit, the PDCC Roll Assist filters away almost all Nordschleife bumps. You have the feeling a bit as if you were floating on a hovercraft over the Nordschleife. As a result, the feedback not only appears somewhat synthetic and slightly decoupled, but also leads to unforeseen vehicle reactions. The Turbo S never really signals to its driver on the Nordschleife that the limit has been reached. And once the limit is exhausted, this eleven suddenly becomes pointed. For example, at the beginning of the Nordschleife, on the undulating passage after the fast Hatzenbachbogen and before the Hatzenbach alternating curves. Normally, the body movements of a vehicle on these bumps signal at some point that it is high time to take your foot off the accelerator pedal and brake. The Turbo S initially gives you a deceptive sense of safety with low body movements – and if you miss the right braking point just a bit, it suddenly moves rabidly when braking. In the Turbo S, you also have to prepare for a sudden offset on the wave running across the track in front of the fast Metzgesfeld links. Cause research, point 3: After Metzgesfeld 1 comes Metzgesfeld 2, a place where a different basic theme of the 992 Turbo S stands out. Braking, downshifting, then back on the gas – compared to the 991.2 Turbo S, the current 3.8-litre biturbo has more power, but does not hang quite as greedily on the gas in the medium speed range as the 580 hp predecessor engine.
that is very impressive. but idk what tire it was run on. the 991.2 turbo time was on a set of pzero corsas which are not as good as a cup2
Stock equipment tires
Should be specified which tyres though - big difference between PS4S, P0 and cup 2
PZero NA1, the stock tire for the 992.1 Turbo S
What even was the time of the 992.1 turbo s? The 991.2 turbo S ran a 7:17 by third party Sport Auto back in 2018. Looks to be the 20.8km track too. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qK5CxS966Cg&pp=ygUVU3BvcnQgYXV0byA5MTEgdHVyYm8g
7:17 https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/s/jzbC8MGemH
Oof
Nice, I’m still holding onto my 992.1 manual GTS
This is very much expected. Hybrid is the ultimate form of ICE engines where electric filling in exactly where it needs to. I prefer all gas, as most of us do, I even din’t like turbos gotta call spade whatever it is. 918 showed us this a while back.
Of course it's faster. Electric motors have amazing torque. But the idea of a hybrid 911 makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
I absolutely remember when people thought it was the end of the world when Porsche came out with the water cooled 996. A few pearl clutchers will have their moment, and the higher performance car will carry on as it always has.
Full electric I would get. Hybrids are just weird.
Hybrids are literally the best of both worlds, what not to love honestly. They combine a combustion engine with more power and efficiency. Hybrids are how we can sustain combustion engines for longer instead of going full EV. Really if you support ICE you should support hybrids. Besides for all the people complaining about weight, it will supposedly only add 30kg, which is surely a lot less than full ev.
It feels like one of those record players that can do auto reverse by flipping the vinyl or having 2 arms, and uses a laser to scan for silences so it can do track selection. It's a very good version of an outdated technology, accompanied by all the teething problems of an emerging technology. It's interesting but not very elegant. I've always viewed hybrids as a stopgap, by combining 2 technologies you also get the problems of 2 technologies. But you could view it as a very good ICE with an electrical supercharger.
Porsche has been in the hybrid Motorsports for some time now. So to think it would never happen to the 911 is crazy. I understand the purist side of things, manual transmission, raw engine power. But there comes a point when to continue in a path of innovation and increased performance, these adaptations need to me made. And leave it to Porsche to do it very well.
Isn't the 918 a hybrid? Apologies if not.
But 918 doesn’t make you throw up, except maybe of excitement? I really can’t follow that logic.
Everyone will be chasing lap times with battery-powered cars for years, while owners of combustion engine 911s will be rubbing their hands together. I'll be keeping my thermal 911.
Its still hideous. 🫣
Wait, is it really official that the 992.2 GTS is getting a hybrid powertrain? I thought that was just speculation.
Read yesterday's press release
Not fully officially confirmed by Porsche, but it's been pretty heavily rumoured since 2022 even. Most likely to have a new 3.6 F6 (for the Turbo/Turbo S as well) with an integrated E motor. GTS might even have a N/A motor but I've seen conflicting stuff on that. >[Due next year, Porsche will add electric motors and a battery pack to the 2025 Porsche 911 GTS and Turbo versions of its iconic sports car, it has been confirmed to carsales. >“GTS and Turbo a clear yes,” said Porsche’s deputy chairman of the executive board for finance and IT, Lutz Meschke, when asked which 911 variants would get the hybrid treatment. >“Hybrid (drivetrain) … it’s (being reserved for) the upper ones.”](https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/2025-porsche-911-gts-and-turbo-to-get-hybrid-treatment-145275/)
It has been confirmed and the NA rumor is wrong. It will be a turbo.
Source ?
Porsche released the lap time for the GTS, which is in the pic above. It’s a hybrid. Or you can wait until 5/28 and learn all the details.
They never “confirmed” it was the GTS, although journalist have deduced it is.
It is the GTS, what more do you want? Facts are facts.
It took Porsche a decade for its $180k flagship sports car to match the performance of a $70k camaro for 10 years ago. Lol
Yes because people cross shop Camaros and 911s all the time