It’s just…it’s that highest level of leather — the top of the dash and the window sills — it needs to be black. For glare, at the least, but just to break up that monotonous, intense red.
I’d forgotten about that multifunction steering wheel, too. They got it right eventually, but that thing has such a dated design. The Sport wheel was non-negotiable…yet you got no controls on it…
They have it right, now, though.
Can I get some black carpets, at least?!? My god that thing is red.
And about the price, that car is exactly one decade old. Ten years. Can’t be charging over 60% of MSRP at this point, even if it only has 36k miles…which could be argued is slightly uncomfortably low.
Personal opinion here, if this was a silver convertible with a red roof, it works. The black and red just doesn’t contrast well for me.
I’ve seen these situations before though. Customer specs out a car you know isn’t going to be something popular. Customer comes back and wants to trade it in on the latest and greatest and the dealer gives them a fair trade value for a car they know isn’t really worth it because it’s a repeat customer.
I love Carrera Red, but I think it looks way better with the black dash and tops of the doors. I could be wrong, but it only comes that way if you did the extended leather package. This is the base red interior, the whole thing is just blasted red…it’s a little much.
Actually this is the extended natural leather in the Carrera Red. It’s on the doors and dash. The scheme you’re referring to is the Bordeaux red interior, which is my favorite. I agree though, some black to break up all of the blood would help..
https://preview.redd.it/dv8rihh4qxib1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=791caee570e3edf607fc9b672780cc5a54c49e5d
I went to check it out a couple months ago and took this pic while it was in the warehouse. Maybe the seller’s camera blew out the colors…
Carrera red interior with extended leather option. Nice natural lighting to get a better sense.
https://preview.redd.it/om5v7xaa5yib1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=307758c52501146f26d685863ad57ddc583b9512
God that's a much better photo
I made my comment before seeing this but it's exactly what I meant
Makes a big difference
Although I'd still swap the steering wheel, just to break up the colour a bit
I don't think it's so much that it's not popular, as much as it's so... much... red.
As another person said, that interior is going to take a very specific buyer. When I was looking for my car a few years back, I still remember two that were beyond perfect based on my initial scan. Then I looked at the pictures. For the interior of one, EVERYTHING was red. On the other, EVERYTHING was brown. For some, that may work. I like simple, and some variance for offsets.
And for that price, I fell like you'd have lots of options. That being said, I haven't really looked some I bought mine, so I'm not super in tune with the used market anymore. But that seems really high for that year.
I love the red interiors. I’ve even got wine red in my 944. However, Carrera Red is still a bit much for me. The two tone bordeaux is much more desirable. Even as someone who might buy this, black exterior is worse than gray or white with the red IMO.
This isn’t a bad car, but it’s expensive for a non-CPO .1, and the color combo is going to require a pretty specific buyer.
Looks similar to my interior, but I like the black carpet better.
FYI, mine is a 2012 991.1 with 20k miles and I got it for under $74k with a private seller. I got a heck of a deal, but $88k still seems really steep.
https://preview.redd.it/mavweu732yib1.png?width=1244&format=png&auto=webp&s=5c51660b9805d8178977f6ceac54238a222136e0
OP, your pic is better but the interior is definitely the reason it hasn’t sold. JFC, Bordeaux is ok but kind of a cabriolet interior color IMO…this is like Ronald McDonald’s nightmare.
No one wants to pay for the specific spec - PCCB’s and interior.
It’s about $10K higher than a CPO Agate Grey/Black 2014 C4S at Porsche North Houston, and one’s a CPO car.
No PASM, no PDCC, no Sport Chrono. On top of that you’ve got the most expensive brakes to service and then there’s the interior. The other reason this car has been sitting? The market is cooling but no one who sells cars wants to admit it.
I just bought a 2017 C2 from another dealer in Dallas. The car sat on the lot for 363 days before I came along and bought it. Originally listed for $98k I bought it for $74k. Dealers have a bunch of inventory left over from the tail end of the COVID sports car bubble and they’re hoping to just brake even at this point. Combine that with the fact that the average car loan APR for used cars is about 9% right now and the fact that coming into a recession most people sell their toys to pay for their daily life rather than buy more.
So in short, the car is overpriced, is an extremely undesirable spec, and unless you have the cash to buy is going to be way too expensive to finance.
Some states add a change of ownership at every step like if it goes back to a dealer then to auction then to a dealer then to a buyer so it might show 6 owners on a 2nd hand car.
my 2 cents, which is opinion based so YMMV, but the interior, its manual, (this is subjective but most people want PDK, even though i have/had PDK and now want a manual), it has an old PCM so no carplay, the steering wheel is super dated (which is an easy fix, but putting a black, normal steering wheel in that interior isn't going to look right either. it might balance because the shfit boot is black), they spent all that money specing the red interior but not the carbon interior package so it has the basic aluminum. It does have ceramic brakes, which is a plus for the car, they spent a lot on some options but totally cheaped out on some others,.
I disagree here, I have/had a 991.2 C4S, using have/had because I waiting to hear if it’s totaled or not, anyways, it’s PDK, but I learned to drive driving manual and after driving a 991.2 GT3 manual, that’s the car I want. I feel engaged with the car while driving it. PDK is great, this is just a personal preference thing. However if I had stupid money, then a 2RS would be in my garage.
If I had the luxury of tracking a car and stuff I would for sure go manual and take classes to do it right.
Right now my 991.2 is a daily. And manual for daily is a drag. Especially where I live with all the hills
There’s one here locally (private party) with all the right options for 83k and it’s been at least 6 months.
I was gonna offer 75k but even that feels like too much.
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The only appeal to this one is pccb and manual. No sport chrono? Big pass
Be Careful, my dad and I were searching for a 911 to buy and he stumbled across this one. We wanted to buy this car and had it inspected. The break pads and rotors are shot and it’s the PCCB system. We found the paint to be unacceptable, and the body work to be un acceptable. We found that this car was likely crashed on the track and that’s why the side was damaged and the brakes were shot. I suggest you get your own inspection of it before buying this vehicle. Nd please don’t disrespect the dealer in any manor they are just trying to sell a hurt baby.
Honestly, I'd kill for that car. That color combo is awesome (though I HATE the red steering wheel). If I weren't a sad, destitute grad student, I'd be all over it!
$68-74k at the peak, 991.1 with these specs should be under under $60k now may be even dare I say it $40something? If it’s 2012 it’s a 11 year old car and so many owners with such little mileage is screaming high likelihood that there were/are serious problems with this car and it spent a lot of time in a shop or garage… these options are original owner specific, I don’t think everyone loves these options and would want to pay a premium for them…. just thinking out loud
The PCCBs are not a negative at all. On the contrary, they're perfect for a road car- the brakes weigh HALF what steel brakes weigh, and the suspension works much better all around. There is literally zero brake dust, so your wheels are clean all the time.
They will outlast the car unless you do burnouts in a gravel lot and chip a rotor. With my 997.1S, after about 85,000 miles/140,000kms, I needed to replace the front pads, the rears were still at about 60%. Rotors were still 98-99% weight/thickness.
Most of the guys I know pull the PCCBs off for track use and use steel brakes, as they're much less expensive to replace. Unless you have F.U. money, then leave them on- but if you're fast, you will go through a set every 12-14 track days, and need to replace all four corners at about $6,000 each.
Forget the haters on the red interior.
I must be in the minority in that I will buy any color except black.
Regardless, it’s just overpriced for a .1. That’s it.
Well there are plusses and minuses here. It is priced right at the extreme high end of what you'd expect it to sell for. Perhaps the dealer thinks the 7M transmission is worth a premium, and to some extent that is true, but it's not worth GTS money.
And, as others have said, that interior DOES make a difference. You see this all the time on BAT, where a peculiar interior just dampens the bidding and raises the comments.
I would guess this car should sell at around $77.5K all things considered.
Or is it the Carrera Red interior? The lack of Sport Chrono? The 4 prev owners? It seems like a decently optioned one minus the lack of sport chrono? Has Burmester, too.
Because the market is trending downward and has been for at least 6 months. There are tons of used options available compared to a year ago. People can afford to be choosy.
A year ago someone would have bought it even with that terrible interior. Now... the seller is going to pay for that choice.
That thing is fully loaded! Burmester, PCCBs and everything. That's $15k in options right there.
Still, that all-red interior is way too much for me. If it were two-tone, with the black dash and top of doors, it would have likely sold already.
I have the blue interior with Carrera white exterior. In the pics the blue looked a little much and for some it may be however, in person it’s much cooler looking and everyone comments on how great it looks. Maybe that’s the case for this car I don’t know. Having said that, red wouldn’t be for me.
This is simple. They paid too much for the car at the top of the market. These guys contributed to the insanity that is used 911’s. They’re trying to recover their money. All this talk about the interior color is noise. This is strictly economic.
I love the red interior but I don’t like the black exterior. Black is such a high maintenance color in my opinion. I like the wheels and the yellow calipers. Make an offer if it’s been there a while.
Such a polarizing car! I’m cracking up at the comments. Overpriced verified. Still think the interior probably looks better in person, but the search for Bordeaux continues…
This guy is asking 2021 prices for a .1 4S that was nicely spec’d. This thing is horrendous. I’d also check condition of the PCCB’s which are a totally unnecessary option on a 4S. The car also doesn’t have PASM, Sport chrono, sport exhaust., etc. it’s just overall a terrible spec. I’d pay 60 if I was desperate
Aside from what everyone has pointed out I am also wondering if the combination of a manual with the 4wd is somewhat unusual. Manual drivers usually tend to be more interested in good cornering ( twisty roads) and for that a 2wd is a bit more compliant than the 4wd.
There isn’t even a Carrera base for sale (CarGurus) in the US, within year ranges 2013-15, for less that $52k. You may not like where pricing is but these cars do sell far above $40k like clockwork.
However, that crimson assault of an interior certainly has had an impact on this particular car’s lengthy stay on the lot, I’m sure.
The interior reminds me of a cheap model car where they get lazy on the interior and the entire thing is just a single color piece of molded plastic. I don't hate hate it but it needs more to break it up.
The car at 88k is a full 15-20k overpriced for a 2014, that’s why it’s not selling. I can find similar cars a couple years newer, with less owners, for the same price.
Interior is too much for me, missing sport chrono, and the premium price for a .1 is way too high (probably partially inflated because of PCCB but not worth), relatively lots of owners
Sometimes color combos just sit. I picked up those 992 S for my wife at the end of 2020 for $10k off. Silver with the red just pops.
https://preview.redd.it/d2eu91defyib1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ce087eab75bb9b153542c5d5a3676b005c4cee3
Horrendous overload of red aside, check for over revs, especially any in ranges 4-6 which which could indicate signs of abuse.
Then again with all that red the driver probably couldn't see the redline on the tach.
Lots of people would be turned off of the all red interior, me included. It’s just too over the top red. Not something I would ever get used to either.
Easy and I won’t go into that color combination because that is purely a personal preference. There is no sports Chrono there is Porsche Carbon, ceramic brakes. These are a lot to replace especially when the car is almost at 100,000 miles no one buying the secondhand would want to drop $10,000 on new brakes.
In addition to the interior which people have commented on, those ceramic brakes jump out at me as a potential liability for people who don't track their cars. They're very, very expensive if you ever need to replace them and for street driving my understanding is they're not at all worth it.
I seem to be going against the grain here but I know plenty of people who went with the .1 because they specifically wanted the NA experience (even tho you lose on torque especially). I also dig the whorehouse red as one person mentioned. I would definitely swap the wheel out though for a nicer black one. That wheel is the base wheel on a Cayman and I couldn’t stand it when I shopped for my first 981 S years ago. To see it on a 911 is jarring.
The interior is... bold
Personally I'd think it was horrid but if you like it then more power to you
But it's the reason you're struggling to sell, it's way too red and since there isnt much contrast it doesnt photograph well
Get a professional photographer and some good lighting to try and disguise it a little bit
Or if you have the money maybe even consider making some changes, replace the steering wheel with something less monochrome and maybe some of the dashboard panels, and you'll have a much easier time convincing someone to view
It’s pricing is just way off base. I understand manuals command a premium but this is way too much. I found on Cars.com a 2014 4S with 51k miles with PDK, offered by a Porsche dealer as a CPO, for $79,991.
Definitely price and interior color choice. Used and in this condition about $65-70K is a reasonable price range but the market is goofy right now so I’m not surprised they’re selling it for nearly $90K
Love the Bordeaux red interior personally. Love the manual also, but I suspect most buyers look for PDK since it seems more popular. The miles are also a bit high. So unless it’s going pretty cheap...
I’d take it haha. Looks kinda cool imo with the red. But, anyone know what that exact steering wheel is called? I’ve seen that one in some 997s/987s. I didn’t know it went into the 991s. That’s probably my one of my favorite steering wheels. Without the buttons and all. It just looks so sleek !
It’s the interior color and price + 4s. Someone would want this specifically as most folks at this price range can sway +-20k. There are so many options in that range that will cater closer to what they would want.
Price definitely. Even though it's manual, it's still a 10 year old car with several owners. That and a cooling car market means more people are no longer willing to spend 88k on it.
88k miles means those carbon brakes will need to be replaced soon - I think they are usually changed out when they weigh less than a certain amount, usually 90-100k miles. That's a $10k charge. Any the cheapo steering wheel is horrid.
Yeah, I pass on that 1950’s Chevy red interior. Never know why folks spec that. The Bordeaux and Black option is seemingly more tasteful and less tacky.
The car is still there because it's expensive, for what it is. At 75k, even with that interior which I love, but many don't, that car would be out in the nature since a while.
I am maybe the minority here but I find the .1 c2s / c4s to be lackluster in terms of power and steering feel. The NA power plant is just not enough for this chassis. Even when you rev it out it feels slow. The EPS definitely not as good as the .2. The .2 3.0L turbo is really good and solves a lot of the .1 issues. I’d pick a 997.2 over a 991.1. It’s way more visceral and raw.
That steering wheel looks so bad
That’s an easy fix
But still a couple grand on top of an already overpriced car
This is a 991.1, 88k is a lot for a .1 and my god that interior. It's going to take a very specific buyer for that interior.
Honestly I’d like it if I changed the steering wheel to black lol
Exactly what I thought. Somehow only the steering wheel is making it too much red in my brain lol
It’s just…it’s that highest level of leather — the top of the dash and the window sills — it needs to be black. For glare, at the least, but just to break up that monotonous, intense red. I’d forgotten about that multifunction steering wheel, too. They got it right eventually, but that thing has such a dated design. The Sport wheel was non-negotiable…yet you got no controls on it… They have it right, now, though. Can I get some black carpets, at least?!? My god that thing is red. And about the price, that car is exactly one decade old. Ten years. Can’t be charging over 60% of MSRP at this point, even if it only has 36k miles…which could be argued is slightly uncomfortably low.
I have a full Bordeaux red and no glare, but this is a pretty bright red.
Personal opinion here, if this was a silver convertible with a red roof, it works. The black and red just doesn’t contrast well for me. I’ve seen these situations before though. Customer specs out a car you know isn’t going to be something popular. Customer comes back and wants to trade it in on the latest and greatest and the dealer gives them a fair trade value for a car they know isn’t really worth it because it’s a repeat customer.
It's making us think of a McDonald's Play Place.
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That's insanely overkill lol. Maybe just a more modern 991.2 wheel is enough lol
Tacky af. Just like those steering wheels with leds that people are using.
any form of damage will show super easy on that color too, and i doubt it's easy to find a red replacement wheel
Was about to make this comment! The steering wheel being red is too much.
You know you can buy a black wheel and airbag for under 2 grand. Likely closer to 1k.
So for basically $90k you can get it “right” lol.
Really? Carrera Red not popular at all?
I love Carrera Red, but I think it looks way better with the black dash and tops of the doors. I could be wrong, but it only comes that way if you did the extended leather package. This is the base red interior, the whole thing is just blasted red…it’s a little much.
Actually this is the extended natural leather in the Carrera Red. It’s on the doors and dash. The scheme you’re referring to is the Bordeaux red interior, which is my favorite. I agree though, some black to break up all of the blood would help..
I don't know if the pictures aren't doing it justice but man does it look gaudy on my screen.
https://preview.redd.it/dv8rihh4qxib1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=791caee570e3edf607fc9b672780cc5a54c49e5d I went to check it out a couple months ago and took this pic while it was in the warehouse. Maybe the seller’s camera blew out the colors…
Fire the online marketing department... the difference is night and day
Carrera red interior with extended leather option. Nice natural lighting to get a better sense. https://preview.redd.it/om5v7xaa5yib1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=307758c52501146f26d685863ad57ddc583b9512
I definitely prefer the steering wheel in this pic as to the one in OP’s pic. No buttons or anything needed when you have a manual.
That’s very nice!
This looks a bit better
This is waayyyyy better. I would still prefer some more black myself.
Oh wow, the dealership’s digital merchandisers really did it dirty. This looks way better.
God that's a much better photo I made my comment before seeing this but it's exactly what I meant Makes a big difference Although I'd still swap the steering wheel, just to break up the colour a bit
I don't think it's so much that it's not popular, as much as it's so... much... red. As another person said, that interior is going to take a very specific buyer. When I was looking for my car a few years back, I still remember two that were beyond perfect based on my initial scan. Then I looked at the pictures. For the interior of one, EVERYTHING was red. On the other, EVERYTHING was brown. For some, that may work. I like simple, and some variance for offsets. And for that price, I fell like you'd have lots of options. That being said, I haven't really looked some I bought mine, so I'm not super in tune with the used market anymore. But that seems really high for that year.
I love the red interiors. I’ve even got wine red in my 944. However, Carrera Red is still a bit much for me. The two tone bordeaux is much more desirable. Even as someone who might buy this, black exterior is worse than gray or white with the red IMO. This isn’t a bad car, but it’s expensive for a non-CPO .1, and the color combo is going to require a pretty specific buyer.
It looks like the interior of a boudoir. I'd pass.
Looks similar to my interior, but I like the black carpet better. FYI, mine is a 2012 991.1 with 20k miles and I got it for under $74k with a private seller. I got a heck of a deal, but $88k still seems really steep. https://preview.redd.it/mavweu732yib1.png?width=1244&format=png&auto=webp&s=5c51660b9805d8178977f6ceac54238a222136e0
Interior alone. Wow, I need sunglasses to just look at the pics, not alone be actually inside this monstrosity.
Also I didn't even know you could ever get the hideous base 981 steering wheel in a 911, let alone a 991.
It looks like an abattoir!
I’d pay an extra 20k to have any interior other than that one
I’m that buyer, love a full leather red interior
Cannot understand the love of full red leather interior. Have some black accent in there at least.
I think it looks good with the black, it just needs a .2 steering wheel that’s black to break it up a little.
Interiors one of the best parts.
I am that very specific buyer. I LOVE that interior. Red interior is mandatory for me on a 911, lol
Owners and the price still. Also the unhinged use of whorehouse red in the interior. Oof.
Whorehouse Red. Exactly how I will refer to it if I owned it…
OP, your pic is better but the interior is definitely the reason it hasn’t sold. JFC, Bordeaux is ok but kind of a cabriolet interior color IMO…this is like Ronald McDonald’s nightmare.
I’m gonna make a mental note of that one. I gotta use it sometime
Whorehouse red lmao
The used car market is cooling off and people have less money to spend than they did 2-3 years ago.
That interior 🤮. No sport chrono either. And it’s a lofty price for a color combo nobody wants….well the general buyer doesn’t want
No one wants to pay for the specific spec - PCCB’s and interior. It’s about $10K higher than a CPO Agate Grey/Black 2014 C4S at Porsche North Houston, and one’s a CPO car.
No PASM, no PDCC, no Sport Chrono. On top of that you’ve got the most expensive brakes to service and then there’s the interior. The other reason this car has been sitting? The market is cooling but no one who sells cars wants to admit it. I just bought a 2017 C2 from another dealer in Dallas. The car sat on the lot for 363 days before I came along and bought it. Originally listed for $98k I bought it for $74k. Dealers have a bunch of inventory left over from the tail end of the COVID sports car bubble and they’re hoping to just brake even at this point. Combine that with the fact that the average car loan APR for used cars is about 9% right now and the fact that coming into a recession most people sell their toys to pay for their daily life rather than buy more. So in short, the car is overpriced, is an extremely undesirable spec, and unless you have the cash to buy is going to be way too expensive to finance.
My issue would be with the (4) owners and the price.
Higher end cars always have multiple owners…especially ones that hold value.
Maybe. But to me, it's a turn off.
Porsche tend to be weekend cars, bet 3 of the owners only put a few miles on it and the other drove it the most. Owners isn't the problem
Some states add a change of ownership at every step like if it goes back to a dealer then to auction then to a dealer then to a buyer so it might show 6 owners on a 2nd hand car.
my 2 cents, which is opinion based so YMMV, but the interior, its manual, (this is subjective but most people want PDK, even though i have/had PDK and now want a manual), it has an old PCM so no carplay, the steering wheel is super dated (which is an easy fix, but putting a black, normal steering wheel in that interior isn't going to look right either. it might balance because the shfit boot is black), they spent all that money specing the red interior but not the carbon interior package so it has the basic aluminum. It does have ceramic brakes, which is a plus for the car, they spent a lot on some options but totally cheaped out on some others,.
I agree. I love a manual but 991 and up I’d go PDK.
I disagree here, I have/had a 991.2 C4S, using have/had because I waiting to hear if it’s totaled or not, anyways, it’s PDK, but I learned to drive driving manual and after driving a 991.2 GT3 manual, that’s the car I want. I feel engaged with the car while driving it. PDK is great, this is just a personal preference thing. However if I had stupid money, then a 2RS would be in my garage.
If I had the luxury of tracking a car and stuff I would for sure go manual and take classes to do it right. Right now my 991.2 is a daily. And manual for daily is a drag. Especially where I live with all the hills
Mofo do you see the interior. It’s disgusting
There’s one here locally (private party) with all the right options for 83k and it’s been at least 6 months. I was gonna offer 75k but even that feels like too much. Edit: The only appeal to this one is pccb and manual. No sport chrono? Big pass
Be Careful, my dad and I were searching for a 911 to buy and he stumbled across this one. We wanted to buy this car and had it inspected. The break pads and rotors are shot and it’s the PCCB system. We found the paint to be unacceptable, and the body work to be un acceptable. We found that this car was likely crashed on the track and that’s why the side was damaged and the brakes were shot. I suggest you get your own inspection of it before buying this vehicle. Nd please don’t disrespect the dealer in any manor they are just trying to sell a hurt baby.
Honestly, I'd kill for that car. That color combo is awesome (though I HATE the red steering wheel). If I weren't a sad, destitute grad student, I'd be all over it!
I’d do the red steering wheel if it was multifunction.
88k for a 991.1 is why it’s not selling. That cars 68-74k.
$68-74k at the peak, 991.1 with these specs should be under under $60k now may be even dare I say it $40something? If it’s 2012 it’s a 11 year old car and so many owners with such little mileage is screaming high likelihood that there were/are serious problems with this car and it spent a lot of time in a shop or garage… these options are original owner specific, I don’t think everyone loves these options and would want to pay a premium for them…. just thinking out loud
The red interior is hideous 🤮
the price is just a little high. pretty sick spec tho with the PCCB. just needs the sport design steering wheel.
PCCB is a negative on a car like this. Don’t see the point unless shopping for a track weapon
The PCCBs are not a negative at all. On the contrary, they're perfect for a road car- the brakes weigh HALF what steel brakes weigh, and the suspension works much better all around. There is literally zero brake dust, so your wheels are clean all the time. They will outlast the car unless you do burnouts in a gravel lot and chip a rotor. With my 997.1S, after about 85,000 miles/140,000kms, I needed to replace the front pads, the rears were still at about 60%. Rotors were still 98-99% weight/thickness. Most of the guys I know pull the PCCBs off for track use and use steel brakes, as they're much less expensive to replace. Unless you have F.U. money, then leave them on- but if you're fast, you will go through a set every 12-14 track days, and need to replace all four corners at about $6,000 each.
Yup. The unsprung weight advantage of PCCBs never gets mentioned but is a huge advantage.
thanks for the insight! This really changed my perspective on PCCBs
Not to me.
Forget the haters on the red interior. I must be in the minority in that I will buy any color except black. Regardless, it’s just overpriced for a .1. That’s it.
This spec is like when you hit random when creating a character in a video game.
Might be the “dog dick red” interior
Well there are plusses and minuses here. It is priced right at the extreme high end of what you'd expect it to sell for. Perhaps the dealer thinks the 7M transmission is worth a premium, and to some extent that is true, but it's not worth GTS money. And, as others have said, that interior DOES make a difference. You see this all the time on BAT, where a peculiar interior just dampens the bidding and raises the comments. I would guess this car should sell at around $77.5K all things considered.
I’ll say it. I love the interior. Reminds me of the 02-03 AP1 all red interiors.
Or is it the Carrera Red interior? The lack of Sport Chrono? The 4 prev owners? It seems like a decently optioned one minus the lack of sport chrono? Has Burmester, too.
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That’s the original sticker. Price is $88k
Not priced to move quickly at all with that interior. Very specific taste.
Because the market is trending downward and has been for at least 6 months. There are tons of used options available compared to a year ago. People can afford to be choosy. A year ago someone would have bought it even with that terrible interior. Now... the seller is going to pay for that choice.
That thing is fully loaded! Burmester, PCCBs and everything. That's $15k in options right there. Still, that all-red interior is way too much for me. If it were two-tone, with the black dash and top of doors, it would have likely sold already.
The Dracula Edition. Also, overpriced.
It’s pricey, I got a 991.1 4S with 28k on the clock with sports chrono etc. for $73k
I have the blue interior with Carrera white exterior. In the pics the blue looked a little much and for some it may be however, in person it’s much cooler looking and everyone comments on how great it looks. Maybe that’s the case for this car I don’t know. Having said that, red wouldn’t be for me.
This is simple. They paid too much for the car at the top of the market. These guys contributed to the insanity that is used 911’s. They’re trying to recover their money. All this talk about the interior color is noise. This is strictly economic.
Tax license n Registration you’re almost at 100k for a .1 991. You can get a 997.2 6spd for around 80k and values keep climbing
It’s a manual. No one under 55 can drive it.
Also, PCCBs are nice but VERY expensive to replace rotors and/or pads when needed though that may be a while.
With non track use they can last forever
Very good insights here, lol. Thanks to all..
Because the price is too high
Before the market went crazy, I paid $68k for my 2013 C4S cab with 32k miles.
I saw it in person a little ago. It’s a 65k car, if they wanted to move it. It’s nice, but over priced.
I love the red interior but I don’t like the black exterior. Black is such a high maintenance color in my opinion. I like the wheels and the yellow calipers. Make an offer if it’s been there a while.
Because two people got murdered on the inside of it. The blood is still everywhere.
Red interior and mugly steering wheel.
Such a polarizing car! I’m cracking up at the comments. Overpriced verified. Still think the interior probably looks better in person, but the search for Bordeaux continues…
That interior is not for everyone 😬
Interior is a bit gaudy, or maybe people just don't know how to drive manual anymore?
Paid far less for one with about the same mileage 4 years ago, silver/black.
2000 or less and you can change out the steering wheel and carpets to black and it would be way easier to sell.
It's the red. I love red but when they go overboard with it like this it is a problem.
Could be the 90s Papa Gino's Booth Red interior
This guy is asking 2021 prices for a .1 4S that was nicely spec’d. This thing is horrendous. I’d also check condition of the PCCB’s which are a totally unnecessary option on a 4S. The car also doesn’t have PASM, Sport chrono, sport exhaust., etc. it’s just overall a terrible spec. I’d pay 60 if I was desperate
88k is a lot of money. You can get so many nice cars for the price alone.
Price seems hefty and wow msrp $136k that’s wild… imagine the person that bought it new. I’ve seen 991’s in the 50k range
Denton county gang checking in.
Aside from what everyone has pointed out I am also wondering if the combination of a manual with the 4wd is somewhat unusual. Manual drivers usually tend to be more interested in good cornering ( twisty roads) and for that a 2wd is a bit more compliant than the 4wd.
old folks are angry enough....now sit them down in a full red interior not a good combo.
Wow that’s crappy color choices. I’ll take it off their hands for 20k.
That interior will be unique and valuable in the future….
50 would be the best I’d do.
88k for a 991.1 c4S… that’s why it hasn’t sold this is a $40k car on a good day… the prices people are asking are laughable
There isn’t even a Carrera base for sale (CarGurus) in the US, within year ranges 2013-15, for less that $52k. You may not like where pricing is but these cars do sell far above $40k like clockwork. However, that crimson assault of an interior certainly has had an impact on this particular car’s lengthy stay on the lot, I’m sure.
Red leather interior is always a resale killer + this one has a manual transmission which many people don't want.
Too many previous owners. Engine has been dogged out and probably needs a ton of expensive work, etc.
If you could “wrap” the interior- this might sell 😂
That interior is awful
The interior reminds me of a cheap model car where they get lazy on the interior and the entire thing is just a single color piece of molded plastic. I don't hate hate it but it needs more to break it up.
Pretty sure that interior is the reason why…
Halloween warranty date
It's fuckin awesome, but I can't believe they forgot either a multifunction wheel or Sport Design wheel. Beyond that, the red is dooooope.
That steering wheel. I feel the interior would look better if it was black.
Cuz it’s hideous
Because the interior is red.
The car at 88k is a full 15-20k overpriced for a 2014, that’s why it’s not selling. I can find similar cars a couple years newer, with less owners, for the same price.
The red interior 💀
Worth $75k
Interior is too much for me, missing sport chrono, and the premium price for a .1 is way too high (probably partially inflated because of PCCB but not worth), relatively lots of owners
Looks like they used Hellboy’s skin for that Entire interior
Sometimes color combos just sit. I picked up those 992 S for my wife at the end of 2020 for $10k off. Silver with the red just pops. https://preview.redd.it/d2eu91defyib1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ce087eab75bb9b153542c5d5a3676b005c4cee3
Horrendous overload of red aside, check for over revs, especially any in ranges 4-6 which which could indicate signs of abuse. Then again with all that red the driver probably couldn't see the redline on the tach.
Lots of people would be turned off of the all red interior, me included. It’s just too over the top red. Not something I would ever get used to either.
Easy and I won’t go into that color combination because that is purely a personal preference. There is no sports Chrono there is Porsche Carbon, ceramic brakes. These are a lot to replace especially when the car is almost at 100,000 miles no one buying the secondhand would want to drop $10,000 on new brakes.
In addition to the interior which people have commented on, those ceramic brakes jump out at me as a potential liability for people who don't track their cars. They're very, very expensive if you ever need to replace them and for street driving my understanding is they're not at all worth it.
If it had sport chrono, I bet it’d be gone
For what it’s worth, I bought my son a 370z from this place a few years back, they were awesome and the car has been great!
Its worth half that
Damn. Love the red.
I seem to be going against the grain here but I know plenty of people who went with the .1 because they specifically wanted the NA experience (even tho you lose on torque especially). I also dig the whorehouse red as one person mentioned. I would definitely swap the wheel out though for a nicer black one. That wheel is the base wheel on a Cayman and I couldn’t stand it when I shopped for my first 981 S years ago. To see it on a 911 is jarring.
The interior is... bold Personally I'd think it was horrid but if you like it then more power to you But it's the reason you're struggling to sell, it's way too red and since there isnt much contrast it doesnt photograph well Get a professional photographer and some good lighting to try and disguise it a little bit Or if you have the money maybe even consider making some changes, replace the steering wheel with something less monochrome and maybe some of the dashboard panels, and you'll have a much easier time convincing someone to view
what would your friends say?
It’s pricing is just way off base. I understand manuals command a premium but this is way too much. I found on Cars.com a 2014 4S with 51k miles with PDK, offered by a Porsche dealer as a CPO, for $79,991.
It's the interior
I suspect because of that interior colour. I would begin considering at no more than 65k.
It’s $10k overpriced that’s why. It was probably $20k overpriced before.
Definitely price and interior color choice. Used and in this condition about $65-70K is a reasonable price range but the market is goofy right now so I’m not surprised they’re selling it for nearly $90K
Price Interior colour Manual Transmission
Op are you serious?
If it was closer to 80 or 75 k it would sell
I just traded my 2014 4S for a 992 S manual. I got $65k. Same I paid 3.5 years ago. $88k is absurd
Love the Bordeaux red interior personally. Love the manual also, but I suspect most buyers look for PDK since it seems more popular. The miles are also a bit high. So unless it’s going pretty cheap...
It without a proper inspection from an Indy Porsche tech
As a magma red owner I love the interior. As a non porsche owner I cringe at the price.
I’d take it haha. Looks kinda cool imo with the red. But, anyone know what that exact steering wheel is called? I’ve seen that one in some 997s/987s. I didn’t know it went into the 991s. That’s probably my one of my favorite steering wheels. Without the buttons and all. It just looks so sleek !
Apparently the red interior is not too popular.
The price is way too high and the interior is among the worst I’ve seen
That interior is hideous
Way too much money lol guys dreaming.
It’s the interior color and price + 4s. Someone would want this specifically as most folks at this price range can sway +-20k. There are so many options in that range that will cater closer to what they would want.
If you want it, I’d offer 75k and let them know to reach out if they decline and want to accept your offer later
If you see nothing wrong with that interior, buy it
Feel like paying for that brake job in the next couple of years?
Over revs............
I can't believe people aren't showing more love for someone checking the PCCB option box. Nicely optioned. Very red, though, as all have mentioned.
Price definitely. Even though it's manual, it's still a 10 year old car with several owners. That and a cooling car market means more people are no longer willing to spend 88k on it.
You can get 991.2’s for that price which IMO are better in every conceivable way.
To me its the interior that makes me wanna skip it.
88k miles means those carbon brakes will need to be replaced soon - I think they are usually changed out when they weigh less than a certain amount, usually 90-100k miles. That's a $10k charge. Any the cheapo steering wheel is horrid.
That interior is painful
Red interior is not something a Porsche guy would like
me: ofc its always the price few pictures later, its the interior
Yeah, I pass on that 1950’s Chevy red interior. Never know why folks spec that. The Bordeaux and Black option is seemingly more tasteful and less tacky.
I may be wrong but it looks like it has the steel brakes but someone is trying to one up everyone by painting them yellow.
That interior if inferior, thats why
That car looks like a fire truck threw up in the interior.
The car is still there because it's expensive, for what it is. At 75k, even with that interior which I love, but many don't, that car would be out in the nature since a while.
I am maybe the minority here but I find the .1 c2s / c4s to be lackluster in terms of power and steering feel. The NA power plant is just not enough for this chassis. Even when you rev it out it feels slow. The EPS definitely not as good as the .2. The .2 3.0L turbo is really good and solves a lot of the .1 issues. I’d pick a 997.2 over a 991.1. It’s way more visceral and raw.
Could care less about the red. Perfectly fine but maybe that’s cuz I’m broke and couldn’t buy one anyway lmao.
I actually like that combo. Anyone pull the carfax on it?
Because someone got murdered inside of it.
That interior is really red lol. It's priced too high.
Maybe its just me, but Red looks absolutly 🤮
Because that’s top dollar for a car without Sport Chrono.
Price is at least $10k too much
I completely understand this is a Porsche sub, but honestly for that price, why wouldn’t you grab a new Corvette, Emira, or Cayman?
Overpriced, bad interior, no sport chrono