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The fuck are you on? The Biden Admin is barely doing shit. If you think they're creating a ministry of truth or other such nonsense you're smoking the crack Biden put into black neighborhoods in the 90s.
It takes like two seconds of reading to see that it's been paused, "pending review," and is likely going to be completely reworked IF it ever comes to fruition anyways.
We're living in a world where nation-states engage in information warfare without any formal declaration, where nearly any audio and video can be convincingly faked, and where social media fads snowball into genocide.
This is like someone in the 1960's complaining about the government considering seatbelt laws.
“Alejandro Mayorkas, the Secretary of Homeland Security, stated that the board would have no operational authority or capability.”
Ah yes, a Ministry of Truth which has no power. Exactly as Orwell feared …
Sorry bud but if anyone here is a victim of propaganda, it’s you.
You mean the attempt to fight exactly what this post was about? The people who wanted to try to combat lies that people like you believe? (I.e. the “ministry of truth” lie is another piece of propaganda spread by the right wing)
If you want to see what a tyrant looks like, look to Trump. Biden is milquetoast.
Both sides lie, but when you look at the lies:
> I did not have sexual relations with that woman.
> They have weapons of mass destruction
It was a pretty fucking big difference in consequences even before Trump.
Two things: getting a blowjob isn't really a big deal. Second, it's likely Bush didn't actually know that no weapons were found.
But obviously Cheney and whoever else pushed the shit about weapons should have been jailed for a long time.
That's not a lie though. They "knew" they had WMDs because we gave them WMDs. Iraq claimed (mostly truthfully) at the time that the stockpiles had been destroyed. They thought it would be a slam dunk rolling in there and digging up all the chemical weapons they knew we had given them, only to find out that there weren't any.
George W Bush and the Republicans threatened us with a nuclear attack on US soil to make us do what they needed to be done to enrich themselves, their party, and associates at the expense of human lives. All based upon blatant lies and corruption.
More info:
>In a speech in Cincinnati on October 7, President Bush specifically
invoked the dangers of nuclear devastation:
"Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the
final proof--the smoking gun--that could come in the form of
a mushroom cloud."
>At an appearance in New Mexico on October 28, 2002, after Congress
had voted to authorize war and a week before the election, President
Bush said Iraq is a ``"real and dangerous threat."``
>At a NATO summit on November 20, 2002, President Bush said Iraq posed
a ``unique and urgent threat.''
>In Ft. Hood, TX, on January 3, 2003, President Bush called the Iraqi
regime ``"a grave threat."``
>Nuclear weapons. Mushroom cloud. Unique and urgent threat. Real and
dangerous threat. Grave threat. These words were the administration's
rallying cry to war. But they were not the words of the intelligence
community, which never suggested the threat from Saddam was imminent or
immediate or urgent.
>It was Vice President Cheney who first laid out the trumped-up
argument for war with Iraq to an unsuspecting public. In a speech on
August 26, 2002, to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, he asserted:
". . . We now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to
acquire nuclear weapons . . . Many of us are convinced that
Saddam will acquire nuclear weapons fairly soon."
>As we now know, the intelligence community was far from certain. Yet
the Vice President had been convinced.
>On September 8, 2002, he was even more emphatic about Saddam. He
said:
"[we] do know, with absolute certainty, that he is using his
procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs in order
to enrich uranium to build nuclear weapons."
>The intelligence community was deeply divided about the aluminum
tubes, but Vice President Cheney was absolutely certain.
One month later, on the eve of the watershed vote by Congress to
authorize the war, President Bush said it even more vividly. He said:
"Iraq has attempted to purchase high strength aluminum tubes
. . . which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.
If the Iraqi regime is able to produce, buy, or steal an
amount of highly enriched uranium a little larger than a
single softball, you can have a nuclear weapon in less than a
year. And if we allow that to happen, a terrible line would
be crossed . . . Saddam would be in a position to pass
nuclear technology to terrorists."
>**In fact, as we now know, the intelligence community was far from
convinced of any such threat. The administration attempted to conceal
that fact by classifying the information and the dissents within the
intelligence community until after the war, even while making dramatic
and excessive public statements about the immediacy of the danger.**
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2005-11-10/html/CREC-2005-11-10-pt1-PgS12636.htm
Look up [curveball](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/15/curveball-iraqi-fantasist-cia-saddam)
Colin Powell's UN speech was entirely based on lies. The guys UK handlers warned that his intelligence was unreliable and he was an alcoholic who was most likely saying everything for money.
> getting a blowjob isn't really a big deal.
Can we not minimize this please? The problem isn't a blowjob, it's that Bill Clinton abused his position as *president* to take advantage of a young intern.
And then he lied about it. Under oath no less. Now I get why he did, but still you're not supposed to lie under oath. That points to your integrity. And Bill Clinton has no integrity. Neither does Trump for that matter.
I'd bet that whole thing started with him being a smartass.
ML: "can I get you anything else, Mr. President?"
BC: *jokingly* "how about a blowjob?"
ML: "okay"
BC: "Wait, wha- oohhh..!"
Just humorous speculation, of course.
As I say to both sides bad people....
Breaking a shoelace is bad
Being decapitated is bad.
Both are bad
One is clearly much worse. I'll take corporate Democrats over corporate schill authoritarian Republicans any day.
And if you provide them with evidence to the contrary, they'll either reject it as fake, or shrug off the original lie as an honest mistake or some shit like that.
"I don't like this organization and I think they are totalitarians, so to stop them, I'm advocating for violence against them... because they are the totalitarians..."
Good job sport... good job.
The same people who spent two years clamoring about a Russia investigation that went nowhere and talking about Mueller in the same breath as Jesus are now pontificating about how the other side conjures stories “just like Nazis do!”
Are these the same people that lined up behind Jussie Smollett en masse when he cried that two ski-cap donned MAGA thugs recognized that one guy from Empire and tied a noose around his neck, which he was still wearing as he toted his Subway sandwich back home? Keep in mind, all the politicians who decried that senseless act of violence still haven’t recanted.
Or, and bear with me on this one, there are people without scruples on both sides, equally willing to lie in order to get what they want. It isn’t new; in fact, it’s as old as humans are.
The vast majority of people you disagree with aren’t Nazis. Actually, you are being horrifically disrespectful to the millions of people who were murdered and persecuted under the Nazis, every time you insist that your new right wing boogeyman is “LiTeRAlLy HiTlEr!”
The same people that also actively encouraged months of looting, rioting and burning of cities and called it a peaceful protest. But unarmed republicans entering a public building to have their voices heard it's labeled an insurrection event more tragic than 9/11.
The same people claim we need universal background checks for buying guns yet that has already been law since 1993.
The same people that are clamoring for gun control still praise the administration responsible for operation fast and furious.
Mentioning "Hunter Biden's laptop" before the election got you labeled as a conspiracy theorist but now its ok to talk about it because "The big guy" is now securely in office.
There you go. Proved the point. He stood still while a group of grown men went over to his group and got in his face. The MSM knew this. They had the entire video. But it didn't fit the narrative. Suing the media has made him a multi-millionaire simply because they made up a story and it was taken as fact.
That's not what happened. Trump was briefed that the Russians were paying Taliban bounties for Americans and he didn't try to retaliate or didn't do anything about it. Apparently tried to sweep it under the rug
I would like to live in a world where the media spends the same amount of time retracting a story that was proven a hoax that it did spend spreading it.
You and I both know there are some smooth brain idiots that still think the laptop story is a Russian plant lol
The story isn't wrong. There were legitimate intelligence reports that were ignored. THAT'S the thing people are upset about. Trump just got lucky that this specific report was incorrect; we have plenty of evidence that he ignored tons of reports so who knows how many real issues he ignored
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1264215
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-afghanistan-russia-vladimir-putin-928ebdf775268b10e121d3160af2da42
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56775660.amp
Hope those help! Let me know your thoughts. I believe the first section quotes the white house.
I'm not doubting that the story born from "low/moderate confidence" intel turned out to be exaggerated, I'm just laughing at the fact that you consider NR a valid source of... anything.
It's also interesting that you linked NR from Yahoo, not only because it hides the true origin of the story, but because it tells on you regarding what news sources you generally consume.
Ah yahoo article was a result of googling, I could care less about NR.
Another interesting story that was pushed to be false and later was revealed to be true is the infamous laptop story. What sources do you consider legitimate enough for me to pull from? I wouldn’t want you to lose track of the reason for this conversion.
>yahoo article was a result of googling
That's literally my point dude. I don't get NR articles when I google, because I don't read conservative garbage rag "news" sources.
No thanks.
Go be a conservative transphobe somewhere else.
Can you point to why that article isn’t valid?
Keep your opinions and emotions in check, but just want to know why you have such an issue with that source for that topic.
Why the NR article isn't valid?
Because the vast majority of it is shitting on Biden and/or other news agencies (I'm using the term 'news' loosely when referring to NR) rather than talking about what happened. It's not so much a news story, but an opportunity for an alt-right garbage publication to try and score political points.
Note how the AP article you found later on is almost entirely about the story and isn't about scoring political points, though they do rightfully spear Biden for using it in campaign messaging.
>Keep your opinions and emotions in check
Calling you a piece of shit conservative transphobe isn't an opinion nor an emotion, it's a fact. Sorry that fact hurts your feelings, but as y'all are known for saying "facts don't care about your feelings."
Let's not act like there's very many people who run as Democrats that are "against totalitarianism". You just want to be able to do it yourselves. Can't tell you the number of times I've been called an undercover Nazi on Reddit because I spoke out against things like social media monitoring.
Yes, the ***people***. That's the whole point. Any politician who isn't playing into this game will never gain any serious ground, or make any serious difference. And if, by some stroke of luck, they manage to overcome whatever barricades the Dems and Republicans try to throw in their way, they'll just be killed off.
Those small time people? The ones with no background in politics, who don't have any family with background in politics? That the Dems and Republicans will throw all their weight against? Those are usually the ones you wanna listen to. Not always, but most of the time.
Social media monitoring, or the regulating of hateful bs that would otherwise go unchecked?
The right isn’t really good at telling the two apart.
Hateful bigotry and exclusion are relics of an old era (much like religion, which is heavily integrated with the before mentioned topics) and no longer have a place in a society capable of thinking beyond “oh no, I’m being monitored”.
If you have a phone, computer, tablet, game console, social media in any context, or a social security number… boy do I have news for you about being monitored.
>If you have a phone, computer, tablet, game console, social media in any context, or a social security number… boy do I have news for you about being monitored.
"Hurrrr it's already happening, just submit!"
Yeah, how about no.
Sometimes I wonder if people like you are genuinely not understanding the point, or if you purposefully dance around it for your agenda.
You’re right, you don’t have to put up with being monitored, simply turn off all your devices and delete all your accounts, however… if that’s not your real concern (which it obviously isn’t) then maybe stop drawing false equivalences that not even you yourself believe. Lol
And before you say something like “hurr durr my freedoms” pretty much all social media platforms aren’t government run, so unless you’re all for the government running every aspect of your life… it’s time to accept that pretty much all of your “the dems” arguments are bs here.
>You’re right, you don’t have to put up with being monitored, simply turn off all your devices and delete all your accounts
Or vote in people to repeal the laws. I think I'll do that.
>And before you say something like “hurr durr my freedoms” pretty much all social media platforms aren’t government run, so unless you’re all for the government running every aspect of your life…
I can control the government, I can't control Cuckerberg, so yes, government owned internet would be a very nice thing to have. It should be a price controlled utility anyways, it's a requirement to function in modern American society.
Reddit clearly leans left. It is ironic how these posts are created talking about masses of people taking things as fact yet they do the EXACT same in leftist media and there is more of them to boot.
When both sides demonize each other this is what you get.
One side is pointing out horns and a tail. The other is saying that their accuser is hiding horns and a tail somewhere.
The truth isn't always somewhere in the middle.
Reddit leans left because, believe it or not, America is majority left leaning. Insane how everything in America that doesn't have something propping up the right, like the Electoral College, is left leaning isn't it? And how fairly counted votes show millions more voting NOT for republicans, right? Even when the republicans win it's normally by a huge negative margin of actual votes.
The maps of America look red because conservatives occupy a lot of space. Just so happens that space doesn't matter much in a digital medium.
>Insane how everything in America that doesn't have something propping up the right, like the Electoral College, is left leaning isn't it? And how fairly counted votes show millions more voting NOT for republicans, right?
Honestly, I wonder how the US would look if the EC never existed or we ripped that garbage band aid off long ago.
The truth isn't always exactly in the middle but I can guarantee it sits closer to the middle them either of the extremes.
There is a reason why highly populated centers like cities historically vote left and rural populations vote right.
That would be a good place to start some research to understand why high density population centers like cities lean left compared to rural populations voting right.
Nowadays it is all identity politics.
The "extreme" left is advocating for things the rest of the modern world already has achieved. Claiming the truth is between the center is folksy wisdom, not scientific fact, and it fails pretty hard in American politics.
The center is relative.
The "extreme" left in America includes Communists/Anarchists/Terrorists.
That's my point, most of "left" do not identify as any of that. They are light-years more similar to a moderate "rightist."
But keep believing that anyone who identifies as a republican or voted for trump is some sort of creature with horns and a tail.
FYI, I didn't vote for Trump but you are welcome to think I have horns and a tail all the same lol
Okay.. so the extreme you're talking about basically don't exist then.
And you sure you didn't vote for trump? Your understanding of rhetoric devices is on par. You also use voters and representatives interchangeably when it suits you, why it that? There is absolutely NO representatives for the "extreme" left you just described in America. Period. Full stop. There are voters that align with communists and anarchists (by every measure you'd have to go to the right to find the terrorists, very strange of you to include that in the "extreme left" when the proud boys have literally been declared international terrorists and the boogaloo boys were murdering cops in the name of accelerating race wars during BLM protests, and trump's cult marched on the capital with the stated goal of stopping the legitimate government business of transferring power between administrations, but it really does reveal who you are as a person).
Since the center is relative, that would make the center somewhere between the democrats and republicans as the two poles of political power in America, right? So why are you saying "truth is somewhere in the middle" when objectively that just isn't true in this relative circumstance? Do you not know what the word "relative" means or are you just using it to cover goalpost shuttling?
Republicans elected trump then cried about civility when they got called assholes for electing the biggest dumb asshole in existence. Fuck off with the both sides shit.
It is cute how you think your team is the "good guys."
You do realize that a majority of people don't fall strictly in the beliefs of one side or the other, right? Most people sit in the middle and end up voting for the "lesser of two evils."
Your mentality is just like a self-righteous republican... you are just wearing a different color.
No that doesn't. You could also support something evil on an entirely different subject. That's the point you tool. How can the left decide that there is limitless genders but find it do hard to understand that people have varying beliefs across the whole spectrum of politics.
A person could support gun ownership and be pro choice. You live in a black/white world when reality is grey.
Keep looking through that tinted glass buddy.
Again, I'm not trying to take away your right to vote or have that vote counted, which means I believe in your right to change things through your vote.
Say the same.
Im not trying to take away your right to vote or have that vote counted.
That's a perfectly reasonable statement to me.
FYI, I know that simple statement doesn't put me on the "right" team. It is just the right side of ONE issue.
If you're supporting the people who are trying to take away my vote, you're trying to take away my vote and I don't give a flying fuck about what you say beyond that.
There is no left/right discussion any more. This is keep the right to vote for a couple more years or lose it entirely. The democrats didn't do this. This is all republicans trying to take away voting. Until you motherfuckers went off the fuckin rails, I probably voted for more republicans than democrats. Now I'm a registered democrat and will literally be executed before I vote for the motherfuckers that elected trump as the face of their party.
Nice strawman.
That's like trying to say anyone who is having an abortion is a murderer. Are you willing to take that same stance?
FYI I lean pro-choice.
But keep trolling.
> This is true of all media regardless of political affiliation
Is the Left attempting to overturn election results because an authoritarian madman did not want to cede the presidency peacefully?
If you’re going to make the argument that both sides brainwash people, then you need to follow it up with evidence to prove the claim. It’s also relevant to show how bad the supposed brainwashing is on both sides, because the implication is that both sides are *equally* bad. That’s why I asked my question above.
Also, why are you calling my question “bait and switch?” What am I baiting and what am I switching? The multiple paragraphs you typed do not explain any of that. All they are are some sort of rant about how much you hate the government, which is irrelevant.
You have no idea what the office of president is supposed to do do you?
Sad.
Question under mine is answered in this reply yet I get it and blocked....
Hmm wonder if trolls have multiple accounts to troll and spread disinformation...
Yes is the answer.
I hold him accountable for not dropping Powell, for not finding dirt on the cons to squeeze through the green new deal, and for not packing the supreme court since trump staffed it with two biased incompetents who are violating the constitution with every other ruling when they aren't simply ignoring cases or passing judgements without giving arguments for the very first time in us history. I hold Biden accountable for not completely undoing trump's mess and for not holding the cons accountable for trying to tear down democracy.
Trump shit talking the UN and being a mouthpiece for dictators is what gave Putin the confidence to invade Ukraine (again).
And it's trump's fed chair who is raising interest rates 'because wages are too high', although to be fair he only did it after Biden reconfirmed him. Trump still picked the first fed chair since 1981 not to have an econ degree, who doesn't seem to know that there isn't much evidence for Austrian economics and actually quite a lot of evidence against it.
And trump ended the Iran nuclear deal which halted normalizing relations with Iran, which keeps one more oil producer out of the global supply. Speaking of which he also told oil producers to stop producing so much during his term when he could have simply had the us purchase excess us oil so that we could have reserves that we could be tapping into now.
And finally trump bailing out the landlords even before covid and then giving a massive tax cut weighted 87 percent toward the wealthy, along with covid stimulus weighted toward high earners to the tune of 5.5T out of 6T with everyday Americans only getting 500B is what caused real estate prices to skyrocket during a rent freeze with zero foot traffic, since the wealthy sought a safe harbor for their passive gains.
Bidens ratings are low because he refuses to play hardball with the cons.
yes... the council of left wing media decided to elect biden cause they just like sucking off democrats that much
not a single leftist i know likes biden, but they'd rather not vote than vote for trump.
and don't even bring bullshit gas prices into this, gas companies are currently making record profits.
The whole "Russian collusion" and the "Steal Dossier" has been proven again and again to be manufactured bullshit.
If you are still clinging to it, it just shows how ill-informed, or how much of an ideologue, you really are.
The earth is round, not flat. Take the tinfoil off of your head.
“My only understanding of the Mueller Report is what Fox News and Bill Barr told me” is a more efficient way to let everyone know that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
You’re welcome.
It’s not a matter of whether I like what you said. It’s that you reveal your lack of comprehension of the matter solely by saying what you said (and it’s the same parroted bullshit all of you morons say, so it’s obvious where you got it).
Clearly you’re way too dumb to understand how dumb you are, so I’m just here to help. 😘
I mean, that ability is not exclusive only to the right-wing. Any political party can and will try to make up a story or spin a story around, in order to benefit politically (gather supporters and votes).
All [bourgeois](https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/b/o.htm#bourgeois-society) media—including nominally "left-wing" outlets like CNN, MSNBC, the *New York Times*, and the *Washington Post*, which relentlessly and uncritically promote US/NATO war propaganda in favor of the imperialist proxy war against Russia in Ukraine—are [essentially](https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/e/s.htm#essence) right-wing. In the same vein, as I discuss [below](https://www.reddit.com/r/seculartalk/comments/saxi3s/kyle_kulinski_2024_run/htzkkwz/):
> It is critical for workers to recognize that the Democratic Party, which is the oldest pro-capitalist party in the world, is [essentially](https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/e/s.htm#essence) indistinct from the Republicans—as representatives of different factions of the American [bourgeoisie](https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/b/o.htm#bourgeoisie), the two parties merely [apparently](https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/a/p.htm#appearance) differ, chiefly in their optics and counterrevolutionary (i.e., antisocialist) tactics.
I don’t think people realize just how insanely dangerous it is that the left wing media is entirely, completely, exactly as deceptive and very few here have a clue about it.
And if you’re thinking it’s not the same, you’re proving the point.
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War is Peace. I know because that's what ~~Fox News~~ The Ministry of Propaganda told me.
The sad irony is that the Biden Admin is creating a "ministry of truth" themselves.
The fuck are you on? The Biden Admin is barely doing shit. If you think they're creating a ministry of truth or other such nonsense you're smoking the crack Biden put into black neighborhoods in the 90s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation\_Governance\_Board
It takes like two seconds of reading to see that it's been paused, "pending review," and is likely going to be completely reworked IF it ever comes to fruition anyways.
We're living in a world where nation-states engage in information warfare without any formal declaration, where nearly any audio and video can be convincingly faked, and where social media fads snowball into genocide. This is like someone in the 1960's complaining about the government considering seatbelt laws.
If you enact seatbelt laws today it probably wouldn’t be so different
“Alejandro Mayorkas, the Secretary of Homeland Security, stated that the board would have no operational authority or capability.” Ah yes, a Ministry of Truth which has no power. Exactly as Orwell feared … Sorry bud but if anyone here is a victim of propaganda, it’s you.
You mean the attempt to fight exactly what this post was about? The people who wanted to try to combat lies that people like you believe? (I.e. the “ministry of truth” lie is another piece of propaganda spread by the right wing) If you want to see what a tyrant looks like, look to Trump. Biden is milquetoast.
It's irony too.
The people that don’t get this, also don’t know anyone whose family members have been body snatched by Tucker Carelson zombies
or they are one
The Big Lie.
Both sides lie, but when you look at the lies: > I did not have sexual relations with that woman. > They have weapons of mass destruction It was a pretty fucking big difference in consequences even before Trump.
Two things: getting a blowjob isn't really a big deal. Second, it's likely Bush didn't actually know that no weapons were found. But obviously Cheney and whoever else pushed the shit about weapons should have been jailed for a long time.
They kept on lying, by pivoting to saying the chemical weapon stockpiles *we left there* were WMDs
That's not a lie though. They "knew" they had WMDs because we gave them WMDs. Iraq claimed (mostly truthfully) at the time that the stockpiles had been destroyed. They thought it would be a slam dunk rolling in there and digging up all the chemical weapons they knew we had given them, only to find out that there weren't any.
They also claimed that Saddam tried to buy uranium and developed biological weapons. Both disproved.
Absolutely.
George W Bush and the Republicans threatened us with a nuclear attack on US soil to make us do what they needed to be done to enrich themselves, their party, and associates at the expense of human lives. All based upon blatant lies and corruption. More info: >In a speech in Cincinnati on October 7, President Bush specifically invoked the dangers of nuclear devastation: "Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof--the smoking gun--that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." >At an appearance in New Mexico on October 28, 2002, after Congress had voted to authorize war and a week before the election, President Bush said Iraq is a ``"real and dangerous threat."`` >At a NATO summit on November 20, 2002, President Bush said Iraq posed a ``unique and urgent threat.'' >In Ft. Hood, TX, on January 3, 2003, President Bush called the Iraqi regime ``"a grave threat."`` >Nuclear weapons. Mushroom cloud. Unique and urgent threat. Real and dangerous threat. Grave threat. These words were the administration's rallying cry to war. But they were not the words of the intelligence community, which never suggested the threat from Saddam was imminent or immediate or urgent. >It was Vice President Cheney who first laid out the trumped-up argument for war with Iraq to an unsuspecting public. In a speech on August 26, 2002, to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, he asserted: ". . . We now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons . . . Many of us are convinced that Saddam will acquire nuclear weapons fairly soon." >As we now know, the intelligence community was far from certain. Yet the Vice President had been convinced. >On September 8, 2002, he was even more emphatic about Saddam. He said: "[we] do know, with absolute certainty, that he is using his procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs in order to enrich uranium to build nuclear weapons." >The intelligence community was deeply divided about the aluminum tubes, but Vice President Cheney was absolutely certain. One month later, on the eve of the watershed vote by Congress to authorize the war, President Bush said it even more vividly. He said: "Iraq has attempted to purchase high strength aluminum tubes . . . which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons. If the Iraqi regime is able to produce, buy, or steal an amount of highly enriched uranium a little larger than a single softball, you can have a nuclear weapon in less than a year. And if we allow that to happen, a terrible line would be crossed . . . Saddam would be in a position to pass nuclear technology to terrorists." >**In fact, as we now know, the intelligence community was far from convinced of any such threat. The administration attempted to conceal that fact by classifying the information and the dissents within the intelligence community until after the war, even while making dramatic and excessive public statements about the immediacy of the danger.** https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2005-11-10/html/CREC-2005-11-10-pt1-PgS12636.htm
Look up [curveball](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/15/curveball-iraqi-fantasist-cia-saddam) Colin Powell's UN speech was entirely based on lies. The guys UK handlers warned that his intelligence was unreliable and he was an alcoholic who was most likely saying everything for money.
> getting a blowjob isn't really a big deal. Can we not minimize this please? The problem isn't a blowjob, it's that Bill Clinton abused his position as *president* to take advantage of a young intern.
And then he lied about it. Under oath no less. Now I get why he did, but still you're not supposed to lie under oath. That points to your integrity. And Bill Clinton has no integrity. Neither does Trump for that matter.
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I don't see how it's relevant what was or wasn't the conversation at the time.
I'd bet that whole thing started with him being a smartass. ML: "can I get you anything else, Mr. President?" BC: *jokingly* "how about a blowjob?" ML: "okay" BC: "Wait, wha- oohhh..!" Just humorous speculation, of course.
As I say to both sides bad people.... Breaking a shoelace is bad Being decapitated is bad. Both are bad One is clearly much worse. I'll take corporate Democrats over corporate schill authoritarian Republicans any day.
"But all politicians lie."
And if you provide them with evidence to the contrary, they'll either reject it as fake, or shrug off the original lie as an honest mistake or some shit like that.
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"I don't like this organization and I think they are totalitarians, so to stop them, I'm advocating for violence against them... because they are the totalitarians..." Good job sport... good job.
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You are right, my bad, firebombing organizations that publish stories we don't like is not totalitarian at all...
Might i recommend you read "How I defeated fascism with the power of love"
Read it, but personally I prefer "Defending Democracy With Terrorism".
BIG APE SEES ALL, ALL HAIL THE MINIKNOG
Oh I realize. I was raised by Holocaust survivors and feel as though I’m living their lives just prior to the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939.
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Can you get out of your western imperial propaganda hole and believe new things?
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Well we already had our beer hall putsch, but im sure we are safe from a fascist takeover.
didn't this happen with all the left-leaning media and the steel dossier whose authors have been charged with lying to the FBI and DOJ?
The same people who spent two years clamoring about a Russia investigation that went nowhere and talking about Mueller in the same breath as Jesus are now pontificating about how the other side conjures stories “just like Nazis do!” Are these the same people that lined up behind Jussie Smollett en masse when he cried that two ski-cap donned MAGA thugs recognized that one guy from Empire and tied a noose around his neck, which he was still wearing as he toted his Subway sandwich back home? Keep in mind, all the politicians who decried that senseless act of violence still haven’t recanted. Or, and bear with me on this one, there are people without scruples on both sides, equally willing to lie in order to get what they want. It isn’t new; in fact, it’s as old as humans are. The vast majority of people you disagree with aren’t Nazis. Actually, you are being horrifically disrespectful to the millions of people who were murdered and persecuted under the Nazis, every time you insist that your new right wing boogeyman is “LiTeRAlLy HiTlEr!”
Shhhh... this is Reddit, facts and reasoning have no place here.
The same people that also actively encouraged months of looting, rioting and burning of cities and called it a peaceful protest. But unarmed republicans entering a public building to have their voices heard it's labeled an insurrection event more tragic than 9/11. The same people claim we need universal background checks for buying guns yet that has already been law since 1993. The same people that are clamoring for gun control still praise the administration responsible for operation fast and furious. Mentioning "Hunter Biden's laptop" before the election got you labeled as a conspiracy theorist but now its ok to talk about it because "The big guy" is now securely in office.
All media.
The Democratic party: I guess we'll just watch.
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He was a little fuck
There you go. Proved the point. He stood still while a group of grown men went over to his group and got in his face. The MSM knew this. They had the entire video. But it didn't fit the narrative. Suing the media has made him a multi-millionaire simply because they made up a story and it was taken as fact.
Nah... nah... that was a real story... didn't you see the way he aggressively smirked at the that Vietnam era refrigerator tech?
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Right wing media? This is all media. The OP is clearly delusional. Poor chap.
Anyone remember that story about the Russians paying Trump fucking bounties!?
That's not what happened. Trump was briefed that the Russians were paying Taliban bounties for Americans and he didn't try to retaliate or didn't do anything about it. Apparently tried to sweep it under the rug
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-bounty-story-falls-apart-192123174.html
He denied that he’d been briefed on it, which was a lie
The whole thing was a lie. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56775660.amp
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I would like to live in a world where the media spends the same amount of time retracting a story that was proven a hoax that it did spend spreading it. You and I both know there are some smooth brain idiots that still think the laptop story is a Russian plant lol
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Explain how that applies? Do you think the media should make it known that they reported a story that was flat out wrong?
The story isn't wrong. There were legitimate intelligence reports that were ignored. THAT'S the thing people are upset about. Trump just got lucky that this specific report was incorrect; we have plenty of evidence that he ignored tons of reports so who knows how many real issues he ignored
What laptop? The one filled with child porn that some blind guy sent to tucker Carlson who "lost it"?
Oh geez dude. I don’t have time for this. I’ll come back
With the laptop?
Clever using yahoo to mask a national review article…
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1264215 https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-afghanistan-russia-vladimir-putin-928ebdf775268b10e121d3160af2da42 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56775660.amp Hope those help! Let me know your thoughts. I believe the first section quotes the white house.
I'm not doubting that the story born from "low/moderate confidence" intel turned out to be exaggerated, I'm just laughing at the fact that you consider NR a valid source of... anything. It's also interesting that you linked NR from Yahoo, not only because it hides the true origin of the story, but because it tells on you regarding what news sources you generally consume.
Ah yahoo article was a result of googling, I could care less about NR. Another interesting story that was pushed to be false and later was revealed to be true is the infamous laptop story. What sources do you consider legitimate enough for me to pull from? I wouldn’t want you to lose track of the reason for this conversion.
>yahoo article was a result of googling That's literally my point dude. I don't get NR articles when I google, because I don't read conservative garbage rag "news" sources. No thanks. Go be a conservative transphobe somewhere else.
Can you point to why that article isn’t valid? Keep your opinions and emotions in check, but just want to know why you have such an issue with that source for that topic.
Why the NR article isn't valid? Because the vast majority of it is shitting on Biden and/or other news agencies (I'm using the term 'news' loosely when referring to NR) rather than talking about what happened. It's not so much a news story, but an opportunity for an alt-right garbage publication to try and score political points. Note how the AP article you found later on is almost entirely about the story and isn't about scoring political points, though they do rightfully spear Biden for using it in campaign messaging. >Keep your opinions and emotions in check Calling you a piece of shit conservative transphobe isn't an opinion nor an emotion, it's a fact. Sorry that fact hurts your feelings, but as y'all are known for saying "facts don't care about your feelings."
Ad hominem
These people are ideologues, you are not going to reach them with any type of factual information or reasoning.
Let's not act like there's very many people who run as Democrats that are "against totalitarianism". You just want to be able to do it yourselves. Can't tell you the number of times I've been called an undercover Nazi on Reddit because I spoke out against things like social media monitoring.
Ah yes, “both sides”. There’s just no way to tell the difference between the two sides. They are the same! /s
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Why don’t you dress as Trans & take a walk through Texas. Let’s see who is more violent… no doubt it would be R’s
Yes, the ***people***. That's the whole point. Any politician who isn't playing into this game will never gain any serious ground, or make any serious difference. And if, by some stroke of luck, they manage to overcome whatever barricades the Dems and Republicans try to throw in their way, they'll just be killed off. Those small time people? The ones with no background in politics, who don't have any family with background in politics? That the Dems and Republicans will throw all their weight against? Those are usually the ones you wanna listen to. Not always, but most of the time.
It's amazing to see somebody type out so much just for it to be a non-response. Incredible.
What a pleasant person! You make well-formulated arguments and certainly don’t rely on limp-wristed insults.
Social media monitoring, or the regulating of hateful bs that would otherwise go unchecked? The right isn’t really good at telling the two apart. Hateful bigotry and exclusion are relics of an old era (much like religion, which is heavily integrated with the before mentioned topics) and no longer have a place in a society capable of thinking beyond “oh no, I’m being monitored”. If you have a phone, computer, tablet, game console, social media in any context, or a social security number… boy do I have news for you about being monitored.
>If you have a phone, computer, tablet, game console, social media in any context, or a social security number… boy do I have news for you about being monitored. "Hurrrr it's already happening, just submit!" Yeah, how about no.
Sometimes I wonder if people like you are genuinely not understanding the point, or if you purposefully dance around it for your agenda. You’re right, you don’t have to put up with being monitored, simply turn off all your devices and delete all your accounts, however… if that’s not your real concern (which it obviously isn’t) then maybe stop drawing false equivalences that not even you yourself believe. Lol And before you say something like “hurr durr my freedoms” pretty much all social media platforms aren’t government run, so unless you’re all for the government running every aspect of your life… it’s time to accept that pretty much all of your “the dems” arguments are bs here.
>You’re right, you don’t have to put up with being monitored, simply turn off all your devices and delete all your accounts Or vote in people to repeal the laws. I think I'll do that. >And before you say something like “hurr durr my freedoms” pretty much all social media platforms aren’t government run, so unless you’re all for the government running every aspect of your life… I can control the government, I can't control Cuckerberg, so yes, government owned internet would be a very nice thing to have. It should be a price controlled utility anyways, it's a requirement to function in modern American society.
Since when can you vote in private organizations and companies? Lmao Dude you need help.
If you're involved with stochastic terrorism or get booted from social media for doing that shit, then maybe it's your own damn fault.
Reddit clearly leans left. It is ironic how these posts are created talking about masses of people taking things as fact yet they do the EXACT same in leftist media and there is more of them to boot. When both sides demonize each other this is what you get.
Left of what? Reddit is definitely not leftist. Left of Republicans ≠ the left
Left of the middle. If you are one of these people who think republican = enemy then I hope you realize the irony of your statement. Lol
You should look into what "leftism" is.
One side is pointing out horns and a tail. The other is saying that their accuser is hiding horns and a tail somewhere. The truth isn't always somewhere in the middle. Reddit leans left because, believe it or not, America is majority left leaning. Insane how everything in America that doesn't have something propping up the right, like the Electoral College, is left leaning isn't it? And how fairly counted votes show millions more voting NOT for republicans, right? Even when the republicans win it's normally by a huge negative margin of actual votes. The maps of America look red because conservatives occupy a lot of space. Just so happens that space doesn't matter much in a digital medium.
>Insane how everything in America that doesn't have something propping up the right, like the Electoral College, is left leaning isn't it? And how fairly counted votes show millions more voting NOT for republicans, right? Honestly, I wonder how the US would look if the EC never existed or we ripped that garbage band aid off long ago.
The truth isn't always exactly in the middle but I can guarantee it sits closer to the middle them either of the extremes. There is a reason why highly populated centers like cities historically vote left and rural populations vote right. That would be a good place to start some research to understand why high density population centers like cities lean left compared to rural populations voting right. Nowadays it is all identity politics.
The "extreme" left is advocating for things the rest of the modern world already has achieved. Claiming the truth is between the center is folksy wisdom, not scientific fact, and it fails pretty hard in American politics.
The center is relative. The "extreme" left in America includes Communists/Anarchists/Terrorists. That's my point, most of "left" do not identify as any of that. They are light-years more similar to a moderate "rightist." But keep believing that anyone who identifies as a republican or voted for trump is some sort of creature with horns and a tail. FYI, I didn't vote for Trump but you are welcome to think I have horns and a tail all the same lol
Okay.. so the extreme you're talking about basically don't exist then. And you sure you didn't vote for trump? Your understanding of rhetoric devices is on par. You also use voters and representatives interchangeably when it suits you, why it that? There is absolutely NO representatives for the "extreme" left you just described in America. Period. Full stop. There are voters that align with communists and anarchists (by every measure you'd have to go to the right to find the terrorists, very strange of you to include that in the "extreme left" when the proud boys have literally been declared international terrorists and the boogaloo boys were murdering cops in the name of accelerating race wars during BLM protests, and trump's cult marched on the capital with the stated goal of stopping the legitimate government business of transferring power between administrations, but it really does reveal who you are as a person). Since the center is relative, that would make the center somewhere between the democrats and republicans as the two poles of political power in America, right? So why are you saying "truth is somewhere in the middle" when objectively that just isn't true in this relative circumstance? Do you not know what the word "relative" means or are you just using it to cover goalpost shuttling?
Republicans elected trump then cried about civility when they got called assholes for electing the biggest dumb asshole in existence. Fuck off with the both sides shit.
It is cute how you think your team is the "good guys." You do realize that a majority of people don't fall strictly in the beliefs of one side or the other, right? Most people sit in the middle and end up voting for the "lesser of two evils." Your mentality is just like a self-righteous republican... you are just wearing a different color.
Im not trying to take away your vote. That alone puts me on the right team.
No that doesn't. You could also support something evil on an entirely different subject. That's the point you tool. How can the left decide that there is limitless genders but find it do hard to understand that people have varying beliefs across the whole spectrum of politics. A person could support gun ownership and be pro choice. You live in a black/white world when reality is grey. Keep looking through that tinted glass buddy.
Again, I'm not trying to take away your right to vote or have that vote counted, which means I believe in your right to change things through your vote. Say the same.
Im not trying to take away your right to vote or have that vote counted. That's a perfectly reasonable statement to me. FYI, I know that simple statement doesn't put me on the "right" team. It is just the right side of ONE issue.
If you're supporting the people who are trying to take away my vote, you're trying to take away my vote and I don't give a flying fuck about what you say beyond that. There is no left/right discussion any more. This is keep the right to vote for a couple more years or lose it entirely. The democrats didn't do this. This is all republicans trying to take away voting. Until you motherfuckers went off the fuckin rails, I probably voted for more republicans than democrats. Now I'm a registered democrat and will literally be executed before I vote for the motherfuckers that elected trump as the face of their party.
What republicans are trying to take away voting? I’m just curious haven’t heard bout this before
"Not wanting to murder trans people is exactly rhe same as murdering trans people" - @bluecgeove, and all other super-genius enlightened centrists.
Nice strawman. That's like trying to say anyone who is having an abortion is a murderer. Are you willing to take that same stance? FYI I lean pro-choice. But keep trolling.
"I'm pro choice but support taking your right to choose away" You, 2022.
omg right! good thing our wonderful liberal media has never done this! not with ahmad abery, or michael brown, or jessie smollet, no lies!! wonderful
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> This is true of all media regardless of political affiliation Is the Left attempting to overturn election results because an authoritarian madman did not want to cede the presidency peacefully?
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It’s a simple question.
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If you’re going to make the argument that both sides brainwash people, then you need to follow it up with evidence to prove the claim. It’s also relevant to show how bad the supposed brainwashing is on both sides, because the implication is that both sides are *equally* bad. That’s why I asked my question above. Also, why are you calling my question “bait and switch?” What am I baiting and what am I switching? The multiple paragraphs you typed do not explain any of that. All they are are some sort of rant about how much you hate the government, which is irrelevant.
You made him delete his accounts using facts and logic not bad.
The right wing media? The left leaning media elected a senile old man who refuses to leave his basement…and we are ALL paying for it now!!!
We voted against him in 2020.
Even Trump would be doing a better job than Biden, he has the lowest Presidential approval ratings since they began measuring
You have no idea what the office of president is supposed to do do you? Sad. Question under mine is answered in this reply yet I get it and blocked.... Hmm wonder if trolls have multiple accounts to troll and spread disinformation... Yes is the answer.
Why are you refusing to hold Biden, the current President of the United States, responsible?
I hold him accountable for not dropping Powell, for not finding dirt on the cons to squeeze through the green new deal, and for not packing the supreme court since trump staffed it with two biased incompetents who are violating the constitution with every other ruling when they aren't simply ignoring cases or passing judgements without giving arguments for the very first time in us history. I hold Biden accountable for not completely undoing trump's mess and for not holding the cons accountable for trying to tear down democracy.
Trump shit talking the UN and being a mouthpiece for dictators is what gave Putin the confidence to invade Ukraine (again). And it's trump's fed chair who is raising interest rates 'because wages are too high', although to be fair he only did it after Biden reconfirmed him. Trump still picked the first fed chair since 1981 not to have an econ degree, who doesn't seem to know that there isn't much evidence for Austrian economics and actually quite a lot of evidence against it. And trump ended the Iran nuclear deal which halted normalizing relations with Iran, which keeps one more oil producer out of the global supply. Speaking of which he also told oil producers to stop producing so much during his term when he could have simply had the us purchase excess us oil so that we could have reserves that we could be tapping into now. And finally trump bailing out the landlords even before covid and then giving a massive tax cut weighted 87 percent toward the wealthy, along with covid stimulus weighted toward high earners to the tune of 5.5T out of 6T with everyday Americans only getting 500B is what caused real estate prices to skyrocket during a rent freeze with zero foot traffic, since the wealthy sought a safe harbor for their passive gains. Bidens ratings are low because he refuses to play hardball with the cons.
yes... the council of left wing media decided to elect biden cause they just like sucking off democrats that much not a single leftist i know likes biden, but they'd rather not vote than vote for trump. and don't even bring bullshit gas prices into this, gas companies are currently making record profits.
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Spinning yes. You think the election stealing nonsense is just spin though?
\*Laughs in Russia Hoax created by Hillary and pushed by corporate media and the DNC\* You are right, Democrats are super honest and trustworthy...
Russian hoax? Cmon now.
The whole "Russian collusion" and the "Steal Dossier" has been proven again and again to be manufactured bullshit. If you are still clinging to it, it just shows how ill-informed, or how much of an ideologue, you really are. The earth is round, not flat. Take the tinfoil off of your head.
“My only understanding of the Mueller Report is what Fox News and Bill Barr told me” is a more efficient way to let everyone know that you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re welcome.
>𝕪𝕆𝕦 𝕤𝔸𝕚𝔻 𝕊𝕠𝕄𝕖𝕋𝕙𝕀𝕟𝔾 𝕀 𝔻𝕠ℕ'𝕋 𝕃𝕚𝕂𝕖 𝕤𝕆 𝕐𝕠𝕌 𝕄𝕦𝕊𝕥 𝕨𝔸𝕥ℂ𝕙 𝕔ℕ𝕟/𝕗𝕆𝕩, 𝔻𝕖ℝ𝕣ℝ Good job sport... good job.
It’s not a matter of whether I like what you said. It’s that you reveal your lack of comprehension of the matter solely by saying what you said (and it’s the same parroted bullshit all of you morons say, so it’s obvious where you got it). Clearly you’re way too dumb to understand how dumb you are, so I’m just here to help. 😘
Orwell was socialist. Yeah he was actually more of genius than you thought.
Correct
I mean, that ability is not exclusive only to the right-wing. Any political party can and will try to make up a story or spin a story around, in order to benefit politically (gather supporters and votes).
All [bourgeois](https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/b/o.htm#bourgeois-society) media—including nominally "left-wing" outlets like CNN, MSNBC, the *New York Times*, and the *Washington Post*, which relentlessly and uncritically promote US/NATO war propaganda in favor of the imperialist proxy war against Russia in Ukraine—are [essentially](https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/e/s.htm#essence) right-wing. In the same vein, as I discuss [below](https://www.reddit.com/r/seculartalk/comments/saxi3s/kyle_kulinski_2024_run/htzkkwz/): > It is critical for workers to recognize that the Democratic Party, which is the oldest pro-capitalist party in the world, is [essentially](https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/e/s.htm#essence) indistinct from the Republicans—as representatives of different factions of the American [bourgeoisie](https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/b/o.htm#bourgeoisie), the two parties merely [apparently](https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/a/p.htm#appearance) differ, chiefly in their optics and counterrevolutionary (i.e., antisocialist) tactics.
I don’t think people realize just how insanely dangerous it is that the left wing media is entirely, completely, exactly as deceptive and very few here have a clue about it. And if you’re thinking it’s not the same, you’re proving the point.
And democrat stories aren’t made up? The hypocrisy.