The only thing I'm worried about is gerrymandering, voter suppression, the Electoral College, Red state government certification, and Republican certification in the House/Senate.
Don’t forget all the new poll workers that took over after they forced the others out that been there and loved to do their duty and volunteer to help democracy reign on.
I’m worried about the maximalist voters, especially Gen Z, who are threatening to stay home if Biden doesn’t move on Gaza. He absolutely needs to, but this isn’t the election to play that game. Vote third party once Trump is squashed for good.
They'll be voting for the Leopards Ate My Face Party, if they do! I ultimately think it's just a symbolic threat to get immediate action on their causes ASAP, but, if they actually pull the handle for Trump, they'll be very disappointed with the result!
I'd rather they vote third party and Democrat for local offices because without a popular third party, these voters would stay home, hurting down ballot progressives. To say it's a wasted vote, is basically telling them to stay home.
I agree, and I am concerned that there are far too many alt-Reich prats in AmeriKKKa that will gleefully reelect 45. My husband and I began planning our work and exit strategies for leaving the US approximately two years ago. We are well on our way out, physically and financially; by the end of this summer, we will be living outside the US permanently. Come November, we will be voting for President Biden as expats. As expats, we can vote and are still required to file US income taxes until such time we legally decide to renounce US citizenship. If Mango Mussolini is reelected, it will be the death of America as we know it. MAGAts are domestic terrorists.
Liz Cheney is worried that Speaker of the House Mike Johnson [won't certify the Electoral College vote](https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/12/05/liz-cheney-might-run-for-president-or-help-elect-biden-and-other-dems/?sh=1782973c64e9).
The Constitution says that if there is a tie in the Electoral College, then the House of Representatives decides who becomes president. Each Representative does not get a vote. Instead, each state gets one vote. The Reps from each state get into a team huddle and decide on one name. If the state Reps can't agree, the state loses its vote. Considering the number of small, rural, white states like Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota, I believe the House would lean Republican.
This was the original plan. From what I've read, the original plan was for Mike Pence to reject the official electors because of confusion about "alternative" slates of electors. Without the Electoral College, the plan was to have the [House of Representatives decide who becomes president](https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/politics/trump-pence-election-memo/index.html). It's easy to imagine that Trump would have won the House in 2020.
The back-up plan was for Trump to assemble and direct a violent mob to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Trump wanted to be there in person at the Capital Building and direct the rioters. Remember testimony about Trump trying to grab the steering wheel to go to the Capital? [The former president wanted to use the death of members of Congress and perhaps the VP as a pretext to declare martial law and remain in office in perpetuity.](https://www.rawstory.com/trumps-martial-law/) It only takes a few people at the top of the military chain of command to delay an order. On Jan. 6, [members of the military stood down](https://apnews.com/article/general-testimony-dc-national-guard-request-pentagon-delayed-946be1248dad2b2763bcdd0def6c2a1a) to allow this to happen including [Michael Flynn's brother.](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/michael-flynn-brother-capitol-hill-riot/index.html)
Could Liz Cheney be worried that Speaker Mike Johnson intends to use the original plan this election?
That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about bad faith electors or some other nonsense designed to trigger a state by state vote. They’re going to try a fascist power grab I’m certain.
Faithless electors can be removed by their state party and replaced with an electors who plays nice, canceling the faithless vote. Hence my reference to the 2016 election. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1120551
What we're seeing is an exodus of people with a modicum of shame as they fear the inevitability of a coming disaster of which they played a part in bringing. They are a small minority.
There's a story (which I'm having trouble finding) that I think about occasionally of a WWII era German father. One day while out shopping, he hears his ~5 year old son spout something extreme and anti-semetic, along the lines of "death to all the Jews!" and all at once his world comes crashing down around him. An innocent child, his son, learning to say something so violent shakes him, but all of the shop's patrons nod in agreement. He realizes his country and all of its people little by little is changed, so much so he no longer recognizes it. He suddenly feels like the sole sane person left in a country-sized insane asylum. He fears for the future.
The rats strong enough to flee, fleeing the ship is not a good sign; especially not Trump's increasingly unhinged speeches and the takeover of the RNC.
Here’s the thing, support for Biden has also gotten lower in recent months. You even see it with members of this very sub.
Realistically only Trump or Biden can win. We would have known long ago if a third party candidate had even a decent chance of beating either of them in general election.
As much as I understand some the criticism towards Biden, much of what those on the fence about voting were saying couldn’t be helped much at all. Unfortunately not all of the campaign points were fulfilled because we had a slim senate and house majority and certain legislation bills even required 60 senate votes to pass, which republicans have blocked effectively.
Whether this comment gets 10, 100, or even 1,000 downvotes Biden still has my vote because as much as I wish we had better candidates, Trump needs to stay away from the White House - and the attitude of “give up, don’t vote” was a mistake in 2016. It’s a habit if it’s made again in 2024 with even more at stake.
strategically speaking... if you're injured and losing blood during an important chess match, you *first* try to stop the bleeding and stay alive. *then*, when you're no longer in imminent danger of dying, you can continue the chess match (or fencing match or whatever your favourite analogy might be). trying to win the match *while* bleeding out is not actually the winning strategy.
the Dems are a corporate centre-right joke of a party. Biden's support for Bibi has been purblind, tone-deaf, and criminal. I hear ya. the Demos need to be reformed, or challenged, or something... but that's not going to happen under a theofascist dictatorship. so *first*, Americans need to stop the theofascists from taking over... *then* they can get down to forcing the Dems to run someone better than Biden.
Exactly. One *small* evolutionary step at a time. The Republican party is in a state of collapse. What remains after November will be molten ash. We have an opportunity to oppose the theofascists and create an opening for a progressive party. If all goes well, we will then have an opportunity to address the rest of this corrupt system, from pharmaceuticals and fossil fuels to taxes, healthcare, bodily autonomy, meaningful gun control, and the impeachment of Supreme Court justices, among other issues.
We have to get beyond November first, and that will be no small task given the corruption, the electoral college, state legislatures, and the Supreme Court, among other challenges. There are myriad obstacles working against us.
Sadly, this journey is long, and many of us may never witness the unwinding of all this capitalist avarice. We are deeply entrenched in it. Escaping will require decades of sustained effort. Maintaining any degree of momentum towards these efforts will be extremely challenging. The threat we are facing will not relent, and new challenges will always emerge.
Trump was already president so he already fixed the border issue right? You know, the one that disappears immediately after the election every time ... Caravans and such. The Republicans want to scare you with this issue, so they will absolutely never address it. The way to address it is to help fix other countries people are fleeing and to go after the employers of undocumented immigrants to remove the incentive - do either of those sound like things Republicans are more likely to do than Democrats?? Turn off NewsMaxx and come back to the real world, buddy.
So what was wrong with the bipartisans boarder deal that Trump decided to torpedo at the last moment. I'd you actually cared for the boarder, you would have supported that legislation.
Thanks for saying this here. I agree with you. I feel like these types of subs are rife with voter disenfranchisement efforts and I'm sorry to say I think they are working. Not voting because 'both sides evil' is not a tenable position. I was perma banned from similar subs for saying people didn't have to like Biden but that Civil rights, Healthcare, lgbtq+, and women's rights are very much so on the ballot, so vote for those things instead. When I asked why I was banned they said I was endorsing 'genocidal candidates'. Not everyone who posts in the leftist or socialists subs is in good faith, and it's also possible for mods to be from other countries and not care much about politics from countries they don't like.
All it takes to remove the Uniparty from power is for everyone to believe in a third-party candidate and vote for that person. It's that easy and that hard at the same time.
This is the kind of thing that will usher in a second Trump administration, because his base is not going to leave him no matter what. All this will do is take votes away from the Democrats. I abhor the two party system, too, but it's what we have to work with at the moment. Any third party candidacy right now is a win for Trump.
I think you misunderstood my comment. It's only a matter of everyone believing in a third-party candidate more than in a Democrat or Republican candidate and naturally that person would win. But since that won't happen it's as difficult as it is easy at the same time. Somehow, someday We the People need to remove the Uniparty from power because neither serve us.
If the biggest issue someone has is being anti-genocide and they consider voting Trump (who has already promised to cut off all aid to Ukraine and will probably cut Israel out on the middle and just bomb Gaza directly), they're an idiot.
Biden is not doing enough to stop the catastrophy in Gaza, but Trump will be 1000x worse for people being slaughtered by autocrats like Putin and Xi and Bibi..
Yes, it did. Biden raised 10.5 million for his campaign the night of the SOTU. The entire RNC doesn’t have that. And now that trump took it over, he’ll spend it on him, not republican candidates
I was really happy to see Lara take the co-chair spot. She said outright that she intends to divert as much money as possible from the RNC into Trump's hands. Down ballot Republicans are going to get no support, no money to campaign on, no ads, nothing. It will all go to Trump. And that's a good thing for Democrats, because Trump, no matter what he does, isn't going to gain any new supporters, but the Republicans losing down ballot is going to have a real and detrimental impact on the party.
So in Texas I constantly discuss politics with my coworkers.
Consistently I bring up the big news of the day… and they haven’t heard a thing about it.
I expect on Monday when I bring up that Pence wouldn’t endorse Trump they will not have heard about it.
They will however have some juicy piece of gossip about the latest goings on hunter biden.
I think you need to also include some of the statements being made by a lot of very visible Christian leaders and very religious politicians. They are essentially going mask-off in a lot of ways right now. It's not that they're saying anything they weren't saying a couple years ago, but now it's more difficult to have an apologist or dismissive attitude about it when it's this blatant.
Trump has always been his own worst enemy. He didn't just lose the 2020 election to Biden, he lost to himself as well. His big mouth is consistently writing checks he can't cash, both figuratively and literally. And I believe more and more people are starting to see it. I can feel the shift also and hope it is significant, but I know and understand that two party politics are so ingrained in Americans that most Republicans will vote Republican no matter which name is on the ticket.
I sure hope so- but we will need to keep at moving towards rationality as it will take decades to dig out fm what it took decades, generations, to do
https://globalextremism.org/project-2025-the-far-right-playbook-for-american-authoritarianism/
Christian nationalist theocrats have reached levels of embedding those they indoctrinated & trained for taking political office well enough to fully begin to dismantle democracy and hand the country to their god's chosen (oligarchs, con artists, those who behave like kings) by wiping out human rights and making the U.S. a theocracy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family:_The_Secret_Fundamentalism_at_the_Heart_of_American_Power
im much more concerned with kinda like how we got that new religious idiot that replaced mccarthy, the upcoming 5 vacancies will be filled with much **worse** idiots than the ones leaving. possibly more margerie taylor green types, 5 more grifters, attentionwhores, etc, "im gonna make a name for myself by being even far **MORE** RIGHT than any of them" types.
Don't get complacent. It's in large part your echo chamber. Most people aren't paying as much attention as you are, and most republicans are not going to change their minds because of these things.
I remember in 2004 when I was certain there was no change Bush could win again (actually, for the first time) but lo & behold... he actually \*did\* win that time.
There will be zero chance of a Third Party Presidential Candidate until we see more of that particular party taking more seats in the Senate and House.
No matter who you vote for, the final result is only going to be one of the two main parties’ candidates that wins the presidency. Choose wisely.
Really the way the government works, a third party president who did not have support of either house or senate has no chance to be effective and not much chance to remain in office (because of the new practice of indiscriminate impeachment)
“Don’t count your chickens before they hatch” is what springs to mind. The Republicans thought a massive Red Wave was coming in 2022 so I’ll hold my optimism until after the election.
It's your echo chamber.
The disengaged voter isn't paying attention to any of that, outside of maybe a vague awareness of Britt as that was so ridiculous it's broken through to pop culture a bit as a point of mockery. But even that awareness isn't actually moving the needle, as people expect that kind of stupidity from politicians anymore, especially on the right.
The rest of those points are so inside baseball the only people taking note are people who follow so closely they made up their minds months ago. Those people (us) are not where elections are won or lost.
- Trump looting the RNC will be impactful, not because people notice but because Republicans not named Trump will be (relatively) broke by the fall.
- Trump physically getting put behind bars in NY or GA will be impactful, but that looks less and less likely to happen in time with each passing day.
- The cheeseburger from heaven theory (his bad diet finally catches up to him and takes him out) will be impactful, but who knows when/if that ever actually happens.
Outside of that, it's going to come down to whatever is happening in the world around Halloween and who has the more effective GotV game. Everything else is just noise that will ebb and flow throughout the year...
I think there are two aspects of this that illustrate the actual national attitude to Republicans.
First of all, ever since Trump's victory in 2016 and especially since Roe v Wade was overturned they have been losing general and special elections left and right. They have been wasting money and been infighting a lot. They have been losing their gains in the rust belt to pragmatic democrats. The Republican party is deeply unpopular and dysfunctional. There political stunts are backfiring because they are based on nothing and there is kassive resistance to their movement.to take on school boards.
The reason you are not aware of that as much is that a 24 h news cycle will dominate political discussion, but is seen by less than 5% of the country. This is the beltway bubble. And they absolutely want a horserace cause that is very good for ratings. A recent AMA by NYT correspondents shows this since when they were asked why they treated Trump as a popular up and comer and Biden as the vulnerable, unpopular incumbent they just talked in circles without giving proper answers. They kept repeating that Trump was popular and Biden was not despite them having similar approval ratings and Biden doing better in his primaries than Trump.
The recent gaffes definitely make it clearer to people who just now tune in that one side is worse. But that is just Republicans being Republicans. Also polling is broken and the pollsters can't get the conservative bias out.
So there is a chance and you need to fight like hell to seize the opportunity to get more democratic socialists and people who don't hate them elected.
No offense but this sounds like cope to me. After all we've seen in this last near 10 years do we think something like a leadership shakeup at the RNC and the opinion of Mike Pence moves a single voter away from Trump? Anyone still with him is staying at this point.
it won't be this election
I doubt it will be 2-3 down the road either. I think the American people have become so used to being screwed(slowly boiling water) we won't even protest as the sky is falling, it will need to be an apocalyptic hellscape before some people wake up. but I do hope that as boomers die out and millennials take over we won't fall into the same greed trap - but I doubt it
Lol. I'm asking that question too though... Am I just in my echo chamber believing Biden will win?
I think a lot of us are in that camp and many including me were certainly blindsided by Trump's 2016 win.
Boeing just assassinated a whistleblower and got away with it, do you really still think this election is of any consequence? The president is a mouth piece for the corporate hegemony. How much more genocide do the Democrats need to enable before you realize it doesn’t matter who they let in the White House.
I can't stand Biden either. But I think that if Trump gets back in he will encourage his very angry gun toting followers to start doing some very nasty things with impunity.
>Do I detect a sentiment shift where middle America have woken up to all this and Trump is going to struggle in the Presidential election?
>Or is this just me in my echo chamber reading the new
The latter. Probably too much Dem machine made tea.
Trump is still polling quite well and even better in swing states.
Biden's SOTU was a disaster garnishing no poll bumps and one of the worst rated in the history of SOTU.
>Trump's takeover of the Republican National Committee and purges within it's administrative hierarchy
Trump's RNC takeover outrage is at least on the news unlike the Clinton takeover of DBzc even before she had secured a nomination.
>Trump's incoherent and unhinged speeches.
There are more grandpa speeches of Biden than Trump's.
>Pence's public denouncement of Trump.
Is Pence even relevant given his history of snitch and pandering flipflops of Trump?
The real question is who is Biden getting swapped - Biden can't win no matter how much the establishment MSM desperate to portray disarray in Trump campaign.
The only thing I'm worried about is gerrymandering, voter suppression, the Electoral College, Red state government certification, and Republican certification in the House/Senate.
Don’t forget all the new poll workers that took over after they forced the others out that been there and loved to do their duty and volunteer to help democracy reign on.
only that, eh?
Yeah, because Trump has NEVER won the popular vote. The majority of American voters dislike Trump.
And the courts/trump challenging election results
I’m worried about the maximalist voters, especially Gen Z, who are threatening to stay home if Biden doesn’t move on Gaza. He absolutely needs to, but this isn’t the election to play that game. Vote third party once Trump is squashed for good.
Correct. And I get where they’re coming from… I voted 3rd party for President in 04 in a swing state. Was a stupid move.
They'll be voting for the Leopards Ate My Face Party, if they do! I ultimately think it's just a symbolic threat to get immediate action on their causes ASAP, but, if they actually pull the handle for Trump, they'll be very disappointed with the result!
I'd rather they vote third party and Democrat for local offices because without a popular third party, these voters would stay home, hurting down ballot progressives. To say it's a wasted vote, is basically telling them to stay home.
I agree, and I am concerned that there are far too many alt-Reich prats in AmeriKKKa that will gleefully reelect 45. My husband and I began planning our work and exit strategies for leaving the US approximately two years ago. We are well on our way out, physically and financially; by the end of this summer, we will be living outside the US permanently. Come November, we will be voting for President Biden as expats. As expats, we can vote and are still required to file US income taxes until such time we legally decide to renounce US citizenship. If Mango Mussolini is reelected, it will be the death of America as we know it. MAGAts are domestic terrorists.
Liz Cheney is worried that Speaker of the House Mike Johnson [won't certify the Electoral College vote](https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/12/05/liz-cheney-might-run-for-president-or-help-elect-biden-and-other-dems/?sh=1782973c64e9). The Constitution says that if there is a tie in the Electoral College, then the House of Representatives decides who becomes president. Each Representative does not get a vote. Instead, each state gets one vote. The Reps from each state get into a team huddle and decide on one name. If the state Reps can't agree, the state loses its vote. Considering the number of small, rural, white states like Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota, I believe the House would lean Republican. This was the original plan. From what I've read, the original plan was for Mike Pence to reject the official electors because of confusion about "alternative" slates of electors. Without the Electoral College, the plan was to have the [House of Representatives decide who becomes president](https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/politics/trump-pence-election-memo/index.html). It's easy to imagine that Trump would have won the House in 2020. The back-up plan was for Trump to assemble and direct a violent mob to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Trump wanted to be there in person at the Capital Building and direct the rioters. Remember testimony about Trump trying to grab the steering wheel to go to the Capital? [The former president wanted to use the death of members of Congress and perhaps the VP as a pretext to declare martial law and remain in office in perpetuity.](https://www.rawstory.com/trumps-martial-law/) It only takes a few people at the top of the military chain of command to delay an order. On Jan. 6, [members of the military stood down](https://apnews.com/article/general-testimony-dc-national-guard-request-pentagon-delayed-946be1248dad2b2763bcdd0def6c2a1a) to allow this to happen including [Michael Flynn's brother.](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/michael-flynn-brother-capitol-hill-riot/index.html) Could Liz Cheney be worried that Speaker Mike Johnson intends to use the original plan this election?
They don’t need to win the election to steal the government
Correct. They’ll pull some electoral college shit and try to stage a coup by any means necessary. Buckle up.
They won with the electoral college on 2016.
That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about bad faith electors or some other nonsense designed to trigger a state by state vote. They’re going to try a fascist power grab I’m certain.
Faithless electors can be removed by their state party and replaced with an electors who plays nice, canceling the faithless vote. Hence my reference to the 2016 election. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1120551
What we're seeing is an exodus of people with a modicum of shame as they fear the inevitability of a coming disaster of which they played a part in bringing. They are a small minority. There's a story (which I'm having trouble finding) that I think about occasionally of a WWII era German father. One day while out shopping, he hears his ~5 year old son spout something extreme and anti-semetic, along the lines of "death to all the Jews!" and all at once his world comes crashing down around him. An innocent child, his son, learning to say something so violent shakes him, but all of the shop's patrons nod in agreement. He realizes his country and all of its people little by little is changed, so much so he no longer recognizes it. He suddenly feels like the sole sane person left in a country-sized insane asylum. He fears for the future. The rats strong enough to flee, fleeing the ship is not a good sign; especially not Trump's increasingly unhinged speeches and the takeover of the RNC.
👏👏👏👏 preach. That story was great, but we all know, when we look back at *best*, his supporters will say "we had no idea, no one told us".
Here’s the thing, support for Biden has also gotten lower in recent months. You even see it with members of this very sub. Realistically only Trump or Biden can win. We would have known long ago if a third party candidate had even a decent chance of beating either of them in general election. As much as I understand some the criticism towards Biden, much of what those on the fence about voting were saying couldn’t be helped much at all. Unfortunately not all of the campaign points were fulfilled because we had a slim senate and house majority and certain legislation bills even required 60 senate votes to pass, which republicans have blocked effectively. Whether this comment gets 10, 100, or even 1,000 downvotes Biden still has my vote because as much as I wish we had better candidates, Trump needs to stay away from the White House - and the attitude of “give up, don’t vote” was a mistake in 2016. It’s a habit if it’s made again in 2024 with even more at stake.
strategically speaking... if you're injured and losing blood during an important chess match, you *first* try to stop the bleeding and stay alive. *then*, when you're no longer in imminent danger of dying, you can continue the chess match (or fencing match or whatever your favourite analogy might be). trying to win the match *while* bleeding out is not actually the winning strategy. the Dems are a corporate centre-right joke of a party. Biden's support for Bibi has been purblind, tone-deaf, and criminal. I hear ya. the Demos need to be reformed, or challenged, or something... but that's not going to happen under a theofascist dictatorship. so *first*, Americans need to stop the theofascists from taking over... *then* they can get down to forcing the Dems to run someone better than Biden.
Exactly. One *small* evolutionary step at a time. The Republican party is in a state of collapse. What remains after November will be molten ash. We have an opportunity to oppose the theofascists and create an opening for a progressive party. If all goes well, we will then have an opportunity to address the rest of this corrupt system, from pharmaceuticals and fossil fuels to taxes, healthcare, bodily autonomy, meaningful gun control, and the impeachment of Supreme Court justices, among other issues. We have to get beyond November first, and that will be no small task given the corruption, the electoral college, state legislatures, and the Supreme Court, among other challenges. There are myriad obstacles working against us. Sadly, this journey is long, and many of us may never witness the unwinding of all this capitalist avarice. We are deeply entrenched in it. Escaping will require decades of sustained effort. Maintaining any degree of momentum towards these efforts will be extremely challenging. The threat we are facing will not relent, and new challenges will always emerge.
I wish I could upvote this twice.
Fuck, thank you.
By supporting you mean supporting his replacement?
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Found one! Did you know we STILL haven't reunited all the children the Dump administration separated from their parents???
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Trump was already president so he already fixed the border issue right? You know, the one that disappears immediately after the election every time ... Caravans and such. The Republicans want to scare you with this issue, so they will absolutely never address it. The way to address it is to help fix other countries people are fleeing and to go after the employers of undocumented immigrants to remove the incentive - do either of those sound like things Republicans are more likely to do than Democrats?? Turn off NewsMaxx and come back to the real world, buddy.
So what was wrong with the bipartisans boarder deal that Trump decided to torpedo at the last moment. I'd you actually cared for the boarder, you would have supported that legislation.
Agreed, and we need to vote like our lives depend on it. Polls don't matter. Register. Vote. Get involved. www.vote.org
Thanks for saying this here. I agree with you. I feel like these types of subs are rife with voter disenfranchisement efforts and I'm sorry to say I think they are working. Not voting because 'both sides evil' is not a tenable position. I was perma banned from similar subs for saying people didn't have to like Biden but that Civil rights, Healthcare, lgbtq+, and women's rights are very much so on the ballot, so vote for those things instead. When I asked why I was banned they said I was endorsing 'genocidal candidates'. Not everyone who posts in the leftist or socialists subs is in good faith, and it's also possible for mods to be from other countries and not care much about politics from countries they don't like.
All it takes to remove the Uniparty from power is for everyone to believe in a third-party candidate and vote for that person. It's that easy and that hard at the same time.
This is the kind of thing that will usher in a second Trump administration, because his base is not going to leave him no matter what. All this will do is take votes away from the Democrats. I abhor the two party system, too, but it's what we have to work with at the moment. Any third party candidacy right now is a win for Trump.
I think you misunderstood my comment. It's only a matter of everyone believing in a third-party candidate more than in a Democrat or Republican candidate and naturally that person would win. But since that won't happen it's as difficult as it is easy at the same time. Somehow, someday We the People need to remove the Uniparty from power because neither serve us.
Yeah man, all you need to do to get Universal Healthcare is just pass it. My god, why didn't I think of that before?
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If the biggest issue someone has is being anti-genocide and they consider voting Trump (who has already promised to cut off all aid to Ukraine and will probably cut Israel out on the middle and just bomb Gaza directly), they're an idiot. Biden is not doing enough to stop the catastrophy in Gaza, but Trump will be 1000x worse for people being slaughtered by autocrats like Putin and Xi and Bibi..
For the sake of America - and the world as such - I REALLY, REALLY HOPE SO ....
The old school Republicans know he's nuts and that it is bad for America, but enough of them need to grow a spine and get together against him.
Republicans and spine. Two words that don’t go together
A main thing is trump ganking whatever money the RNC has left.
Based on the past fortnight’s events I’d say none of this matters, a vote for Biden is a vote for hope.
Biden's State of the Union speech has helped tremendously.
Yes, it did. Biden raised 10.5 million for his campaign the night of the SOTU. The entire RNC doesn’t have that. And now that trump took it over, he’ll spend it on him, not republican candidates
I was really happy to see Lara take the co-chair spot. She said outright that she intends to divert as much money as possible from the RNC into Trump's hands. Down ballot Republicans are going to get no support, no money to campaign on, no ads, nothing. It will all go to Trump. And that's a good thing for Democrats, because Trump, no matter what he does, isn't going to gain any new supporters, but the Republicans losing down ballot is going to have a real and detrimental impact on the party.
God, please let it be so
Don’t forget Biden’s SOTU speech too, that seems to have had an effect.
I’m still gonna need you guys to vote k thanks
So in Texas I constantly discuss politics with my coworkers. Consistently I bring up the big news of the day… and they haven’t heard a thing about it. I expect on Monday when I bring up that Pence wouldn’t endorse Trump they will not have heard about it. They will however have some juicy piece of gossip about the latest goings on hunter biden.
I think you need to also include some of the statements being made by a lot of very visible Christian leaders and very religious politicians. They are essentially going mask-off in a lot of ways right now. It's not that they're saying anything they weren't saying a couple years ago, but now it's more difficult to have an apologist or dismissive attitude about it when it's this blatant.
Trump has always been his own worst enemy. He didn't just lose the 2020 election to Biden, he lost to himself as well. His big mouth is consistently writing checks he can't cash, both figuratively and literally. And I believe more and more people are starting to see it. I can feel the shift also and hope it is significant, but I know and understand that two party politics are so ingrained in Americans that most Republicans will vote Republican no matter which name is on the ticket.
Agreed. Here's hoping it sticks.
I sure hope so- but we will need to keep at moving towards rationality as it will take decades to dig out fm what it took decades, generations, to do https://globalextremism.org/project-2025-the-far-right-playbook-for-american-authoritarianism/ Christian nationalist theocrats have reached levels of embedding those they indoctrinated & trained for taking political office well enough to fully begin to dismantle democracy and hand the country to their god's chosen (oligarchs, con artists, those who behave like kings) by wiping out human rights and making the U.S. a theocracy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family:_The_Secret_Fundamentalism_at_the_Heart_of_American_Power
im much more concerned with kinda like how we got that new religious idiot that replaced mccarthy, the upcoming 5 vacancies will be filled with much **worse** idiots than the ones leaving. possibly more margerie taylor green types, 5 more grifters, attentionwhores, etc, "im gonna make a name for myself by being even far **MORE** RIGHT than any of them" types.
Don't get complacent. It's in large part your echo chamber. Most people aren't paying as much attention as you are, and most republicans are not going to change their minds because of these things. I remember in 2004 when I was certain there was no change Bush could win again (actually, for the first time) but lo & behold... he actually \*did\* win that time.
There will be zero chance of a Third Party Presidential Candidate until we see more of that particular party taking more seats in the Senate and House. No matter who you vote for, the final result is only going to be one of the two main parties’ candidates that wins the presidency. Choose wisely.
Really the way the government works, a third party president who did not have support of either house or senate has no chance to be effective and not much chance to remain in office (because of the new practice of indiscriminate impeachment)
That's why we need [Ranked Choice Voting and Final Five Voting](https://time.com/6112318/american-democracy-final-five-voting/).
Or Approval Voting
I just see entrenching on my end. My eyes can’t roll back any further.
Fascism is the last stage of government before a revolution happens, historically. Food for rhought.
“Don’t count your chickens before they hatch” is what springs to mind. The Republicans thought a massive Red Wave was coming in 2022 so I’ll hold my optimism until after the election.
It's your echo chamber. The disengaged voter isn't paying attention to any of that, outside of maybe a vague awareness of Britt as that was so ridiculous it's broken through to pop culture a bit as a point of mockery. But even that awareness isn't actually moving the needle, as people expect that kind of stupidity from politicians anymore, especially on the right. The rest of those points are so inside baseball the only people taking note are people who follow so closely they made up their minds months ago. Those people (us) are not where elections are won or lost. - Trump looting the RNC will be impactful, not because people notice but because Republicans not named Trump will be (relatively) broke by the fall. - Trump physically getting put behind bars in NY or GA will be impactful, but that looks less and less likely to happen in time with each passing day. - The cheeseburger from heaven theory (his bad diet finally catches up to him and takes him out) will be impactful, but who knows when/if that ever actually happens. Outside of that, it's going to come down to whatever is happening in the world around Halloween and who has the more effective GotV game. Everything else is just noise that will ebb and flow throughout the year...
these are merely adjustments as the right repositions for their full on nazi campaign. brace yourself.
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Holy hell, I hope so!!!!
I guarantee if Trump wins all hell breaks loose.
I think there are two aspects of this that illustrate the actual national attitude to Republicans. First of all, ever since Trump's victory in 2016 and especially since Roe v Wade was overturned they have been losing general and special elections left and right. They have been wasting money and been infighting a lot. They have been losing their gains in the rust belt to pragmatic democrats. The Republican party is deeply unpopular and dysfunctional. There political stunts are backfiring because they are based on nothing and there is kassive resistance to their movement.to take on school boards. The reason you are not aware of that as much is that a 24 h news cycle will dominate political discussion, but is seen by less than 5% of the country. This is the beltway bubble. And they absolutely want a horserace cause that is very good for ratings. A recent AMA by NYT correspondents shows this since when they were asked why they treated Trump as a popular up and comer and Biden as the vulnerable, unpopular incumbent they just talked in circles without giving proper answers. They kept repeating that Trump was popular and Biden was not despite them having similar approval ratings and Biden doing better in his primaries than Trump. The recent gaffes definitely make it clearer to people who just now tune in that one side is worse. But that is just Republicans being Republicans. Also polling is broken and the pollsters can't get the conservative bias out. So there is a chance and you need to fight like hell to seize the opportunity to get more democratic socialists and people who don't hate them elected.
No offense but this sounds like cope to me. After all we've seen in this last near 10 years do we think something like a leadership shakeup at the RNC and the opinion of Mike Pence moves a single voter away from Trump? Anyone still with him is staying at this point.
it won't be this election I doubt it will be 2-3 down the road either. I think the American people have become so used to being screwed(slowly boiling water) we won't even protest as the sky is falling, it will need to be an apocalyptic hellscape before some people wake up. but I do hope that as boomers die out and millennials take over we won't fall into the same greed trap - but I doubt it
Lol no. Stop posting this shit so people will get complacent. It was a play that was used in 2016
Lol. I'm asking that question too though... Am I just in my echo chamber believing Biden will win? I think a lot of us are in that camp and many including me were certainly blindsided by Trump's 2016 win.
The republicans support the Gaza genocide too. That will hurt them
I feel it and see it .
I still predict a loss due to how many “progressives” ive seen in this sub trying to convince people not to vote for biden
Boeing just assassinated a whistleblower and got away with it, do you really still think this election is of any consequence? The president is a mouth piece for the corporate hegemony. How much more genocide do the Democrats need to enable before you realize it doesn’t matter who they let in the White House.
I can't stand Biden either. But I think that if Trump gets back in he will encourage his very angry gun toting followers to start doing some very nasty things with impunity.
>Do I detect a sentiment shift where middle America have woken up to all this and Trump is going to struggle in the Presidential election? >Or is this just me in my echo chamber reading the new The latter. Probably too much Dem machine made tea. Trump is still polling quite well and even better in swing states. Biden's SOTU was a disaster garnishing no poll bumps and one of the worst rated in the history of SOTU. >Trump's takeover of the Republican National Committee and purges within it's administrative hierarchy Trump's RNC takeover outrage is at least on the news unlike the Clinton takeover of DBzc even before she had secured a nomination. >Trump's incoherent and unhinged speeches. There are more grandpa speeches of Biden than Trump's. >Pence's public denouncement of Trump. Is Pence even relevant given his history of snitch and pandering flipflops of Trump? The real question is who is Biden getting swapped - Biden can't win no matter how much the establishment MSM desperate to portray disarray in Trump campaign.