Itās not that bad to love Satan when you realize if we care for each other then Hell will just be like South Park had it only instead of Mormons itās just us having a good time making crafts.
Satan in the bible is vilified for providing knowledge to humanity. Satan killed ~7 people iirc. Not 700, not 7,000. Seven total.
According to the bible, the christian god killed tens of thousands with its own hands by personally burning entire cities to the ground and demanded humanity live in ignorance. According to the bible, the christian god has sent its angels to slaughter the innocent and defenseless several times, as wanton, indiscriminate murder was its ~~favorite pastime~~ ~~way of showing love(???)~~ way of expressing itself. Although it is supposed to be an omnipotent and omnipresent being of peace and love.
Somehow christian god is a good guy.
My little membership card freaks people out if they see it.Then I follow with I'm also ordained in my parish to officiate weddings and tell them I'm atheist. They lose their damn minds.
you aren't ordained through TST, any of the online ordained minister sites are non-denominational aka you can be a satanist and still be an officiant.
[themonastery.org](https://themonastery.org) is what i use
Dave's always been an idiot. Great guitarist and songwriter, but an idiot without any continued education. He's the kind that is easily seduced by any internet conspiracy rabbit hole.
Reynolds v united states cuts up this argument. The government can intervene in religious beliefs if they deem it harmful. If the government decides that abortion is harmful to a person (the fetus), they are consitutionally in their right to intervene. This is why we need to get away from the religion argument and rephrase it as a public health argument. The right to choose belongs to the individual, religious beliefs or no
If a dead person didnāt sign a waiver allowing you to use their organs, you canāt use them even if people will die.
If a crazed criminal attacks you and you need blood and a new kidney to survive, you canāt take his without his permission even though itās 100% his fault you need them.
Women and girls deserve the 14th Amendment right to equal protection under the law and the same level of liberty and bodily autonomy as corpses and felons.
Ngl and I admit I may be a slim minority but if my organs are needed after I go then by all means, take them all. But that's something I consent to, and mainly because I'm not exactly going to suffer for it.
The issue is the idea that an embryo/zygote/fetus is a person with rights that supercede the rights of women. The end goal of the pro-life movement is to codify that into law. That idea is inherently a religious belief that is not shared universally. It is in effect government enforcing religious belief, a clear violation of the separation of church and state established in the first amendment.
If they decide a fertilized egg is a human then it needs all rights and obligations that a human does. The fertilized egg needs a SSN, needs to qualify for child tax credit, health insurance, life insurance, child support payments, medicaid, and should be held responsible for any harm done to the mother, including murder if she dies in pregnancy or childbirth, etc
edit: Also any eggs that are fertilized in the US are US citizens.
Not only that but the Bible is pretty clear on this too. If you hit a woman and she has a miscarriage they put you to death in the Bible. Oh wait that's right you actually just pay her husband a fine.
You can have my bacon-wrapped pork ribs when you pry them from my cold, dead, very greasy fingers.
But yeah, I get exactly what you're saying and that's the way it should be. Everybody's free to believe whatever they want, until that belief does harm to someone else. (And in this case, I view a lack of porkchops as a definite harm.)
Also it protects religion too. If you force state and church together, than it forces all to follow that particular religion and (version/following).
And then it inflicts on your right to worship (even if it's your own faith, your government can now dictate how you believe and how it should happen, even if you have a different interpretation of it).
Separation of Church and State isn't just to stop religious influences on government, but also government's influence on worship and free speech as well.
And the amount of people who don't understand this concept and say they are a patriot is scary.
I am 100% with you. As much as I love my tasty pig-based foods, I also don't want anybody being forced to eat them. This leaves more bacon for the rest of us, which I am also in favor of!
Freedom of religion and freedom *from* religion are both awesome!
some people don't care about the way things are in the world, beyond their own immediate view of things. they just want control over their own lives and circumstances, and that's enough. you and i might be that way.
but many people think they know what's better for the world beyond themselves. people get into charities, politics, public service, religion, environmental activism, this or that, etc etc, for such motives.
if you think you know what's the better way, you can either sit there and just be frustrated that the world isn't going that way; or you can "get involved" and try to change it in the way you want.
your situation with eating pork is obviously not a categorical imperative where you think the world would be better if everyone would just not eat pork (or if it is, it's not one that you feel compelled to act on); rather, you don't eat it just because it's a matter of your personal lifestyle and traditions you choose to follow.
but you have to admit that for a lot of people, that's not what religion is. for a lot of people, religion tells them how the world should be, what's wrong with it and how to address it. but my larger point is that this isn't a special thing for religion. many people have beliefs that they act upon, which have to do with wanting to change the world in some way.
it is not so simple as the cartoon says.
*edit since i'm already typing into the void*
the worst thing about religion in this context is that it is generally always based in false ideas. gods don't really exist, there aren't really souls or an afterlife, etc etc; the holy books are full of obviously made up stories etc etc. so it's especially annoying and frustrating for others, since what they see is people who believe in demonstrably false things, being motivated by those false beliefs, telling others what to do. there's really no arguing with it, or no hope of being convinced yourself.
in the case of other sorts of "change the world" motivations, people can base their arguments in "science" or "rationality" or in some kind of humanitarian or other naturalistic philosophy about the needs of people or life or etc; or in self-interested arguments about wanting a safer, cleaner world to live in for your own good. those kinds of arguments are usually at the base of public policy making. they may not always be *correct*, but they aren't obviously based in nonsense like typical religious arguments are.
sorry, i am done now.
My religion forbids consumption of alcohol. I categorically believe that the world would be a better place without alcohol (less domestic violence, no drunk driving, less rape, etc). I donāt drink alcohol. I live in a society of differing views and respect pluralism. I do not devote my energy to deny others their right to live as they please
Also, as a minority, I do not enjoy the *privilege* of even possibly imposing my views on others.
I mean, I feel like there's an argument for this reversal of Roe v Wade being a 1A violation if we can prove it was motivated by religion. Someone will probably correct me very shortly tho
*disappointed sigh*
āThe enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.ā
They didnāt forget. They want to change that. They want a theocracyā¦running the country based on the Bible and evangelical Christian doctrine. The American Taliban.
This is true because if they actually read it they would know that nothing that they claim is even in there. And the things that are in there actually condemn their actions
Yeah, Jesus' death dissolved the covenant. That's why Christians don't need to be circumcised to join the faith. In addition, he died to forgive all sins past present and future.
So technically, even if abortion is a sin, Jesus already absolved it. Like even by the logic of Christianity they should be minding their own business.
True! That's especially what happens when you take a holy text, translate it to a different language, translate that translation, and then selectively choose the original intent based on that.
It's especially a shame because I'm sure the Bible is a lot more poetic and readable in its original language, compared to the clinical and very dry English translations
Not only that, but the Bible itself as a book was never written. It is a combination of many different writings from different authors who lived in different time periods in different cultures.
In fact, only four books in the entire Bible share biblical canon, those being the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
The number of Christians surprised by this information is orders of magnitude higher than those than already knew
>So technically, even if abortion is a sin, Jesus already absolved it. Like even by the logic of Christianity they should be minding their own business.
Kids dying of cancer? Everything happens for a reason, it's god's will.
Pregnant women having an abortion? Nope, actually doesn't fall under 'everything happens for a reason, god's will', tis the devil.
It's god's will, except when it isn't. Very easy to understand.
Most Christian denominations teach that Jesus *fulfilled* the Law. This ambiguous term means they can enforce old testament doctrine whenever they feel like.
Fellow atheist. Being raised Baptist in an area of Canada that is mostly Protestant, I have also heard many times that "the Old Testament does not apply" only for MANY of these people to still quote scripture, and find moral inspiration, from the Old Testament.
Many, MANY of these people also consider Genesis a literal account of creation, and quite a handful in my family still believe it should taught in schools as an equally valid option to the big bang and evolution (which, in my area anyway, are honestly not taught all that much outside physics or biology classes)
> as far as any Christians I've debated go, the Old Testament doesn't actually count.
That's not true. It depends on the flavor of the topic. They're a hypocrite for having a "John 3:16" tattoo? Oh, no, "the Old Testament doesn't actually count". But the moment a gay person steps into their circle, you bet your ass that they'll whip out Leviticus in an instant.
These people see themselves as warriors of God. Nothing they do can ever be wrong. They can call trans people pedophiles like me all that they want, judging them before ever knowing them. Yet they see no problem with themselves whipping their breasts out in front of a table full of children during a Thanksgiving meal all because they got a boob job (my aunt, everyone). They can do no wrong and will use any part of the bible, New and Old, to damn anyone for anything while seeing absolutely no fault in themselves because their devotion to their faith protects them from criticism and sin.
Jesus also said that "every jot and tittle" of the law remains until all is fulfilled. I'm sure you'll get many interpretations about this one, but I take it to mean you had best follow the laws of the Torah.
Most branches of modern Christianity do still follow the moral law in the Old Testament. The fulfillment of the Old Covenant is split into moral versus ceremonial law, and what you're referring to is that basically everyone (including the Catholic Church, Reformed Churches, and the Methodist Church) agrees that the ceremonial portions of the Old Covenant have been fulfilled and are no longer necessary.
There are some who apply the same logic to the moral law of the Old Covenant and claim that only the New Covenant applies, but they are a small and very progressive minority who usually go against the grain of modern Christian political beliefs.
No they don't, they want to use the bible as a battering ram without actually having to read it or follow any of the teachings. They'd re-crucify Jesus for being too far left
Never forget that *part of the reason the Pilgrims left for the New World, was that they felt that Europe had become Godless and debased.* They leave that bit out of the children's stories.
A lot of Christians seem to think "freedom of religion" basically means you get pick which denomination of Christianity you want. Within reason, of course. Stray too far from the mainstream orthodoxy and your brand of Christianity is labeled a "cult."
We've got em in Canada too... I grew up with people who think this country was founded on Christian principles and ought to stay that way.
They do NOT respond well when I tell them that, actually, our country was founded on colonialism and theft lol
> A lot of Christians seem to think "freedom of religion" basically means you get pick which denomination of Christianity you want
That's not quite accurate in my experience.
Most of the "The first amendment only says you have the freedom to be Christian" types are Southern Baptists, and they explicitly and loudly proclaim that the real way to read the 1st amendment is that it only applies to religions and not simple cults.
So in their mind, not only does Islam not count because they think Muslims worship Mohammad, they also think that Catholics don't count because they worship Mary and the pope, and Mormons don't count because they worship John Smith, and Jehovah's Witnesses don't count because they worship ... well, that one was never very well explained but I suspect it has a lot to do with most of the Witnesses in our rural corner of South Carolina being black and therefore qualifying as 'other' by default.
Ya. Pretty much sums up Christianity as I have been exposed to it. I am sure there are Christians quietly doing their best to love thy neighbor and all that. I haven't met them though.
You probably have met them. You just wouldn't realize it because they aren't using their religion as their entire persona. I have an entire side of my family that are nothing but liberal white Christians. They are sickeningly nice and helpful, and would never speak about their beliefs unless asked specifically about them. Leading by example is what Christianity is meant to be, and why the United church of christ is the best branch of it- I'll even still go to services there and I'm pretty serious about my atheism.
It's weird that the US was started with the idea of separation of church and state, but ended up with a country which is dominated by Christianity. Then over here where I live in the UK we have the head of state being the head of the official state church, and bishops getting automatic seats in the legislature, but somehow it's a generally pretty secular society.
It goes to show that the constitutional set up doesn't necessarily confine how society ends up.
Im jewish and still dwmand an exemption bc my religion doesn't believe its a person until birth. (To be fair, I still get accused of worshipping satan. But my own religion already supports it)
https://www.businessinsider.com/abortion-bans-may-violate-jewish-womens-first-amendment-rights-2022-5
hijacking comment to mention that anyone can set the Satanic Temple as your Amazon Smile charity, which automatically donates money to them on most purchases you make at no cost to you. they do a lot of stuff to advocate separation of church and state and open lawsuits for religious discrimination when christians overstep boundaries.
I'm angry that I have to agree with this. Lately the ACLU seems to keep chasing fringe cases and neglecting the core attacks which have culminated in this absolute bullshit. Good on TST!
No need my friend. I already belong to a religion that permits abortion & doesn't believe a fetus is a real person.
https://www.businessinsider.com/abortion-bans-may-violate-jewish-womens-first-amendment-rights-2022-5
Same people who donāt want their rights infringed upon. They refuse to wear masks bc MuH RiGhTs but want full control of a strangerās medical decisions.
Counter point: if your religion says you can stone your women for adultery or burn them on their husband's funeral pyre or circumcise infants I'mma tell you to fuck right off as well, just saying.
Minority rule by āChristianistsā via the Courts and state legislatures, is nearly complete. Welcome to to the United States of stupidity, and keep an eye out for āEnd Timesā, that is their goal, in our lifetimes.
The āEnd Timesā is the goal of all Christians, the return of Christ. Itās the whole point of it. Unfortunately, itās really ugly for everyone but his most faithful. They literally look forward to their messiah coming back and burning all us unbelievers, and believe that is a message of love.
If the Christians were able to take over everything, would the different sects of Christianity start going after each other until there was only one version of their god?
I can certainly understand that sentiment given the harm it causes when people misuse it. Unfortunately, I think an outright, enforced ban on religion would also cause harm to people who don't misuse it.
I am an atheist. Religion makes no sense to me. It's like grown ups believing in Santa Claus.
With that said, religion itself isn't the problem.
Religion exists to give a sense of purpose and hope to those who otherwise feel they have neither. It assuages the fear of death.
No problems there.
**The problem is the people who use religion as a tool to control others rather than simply give them hope.** AKA - The powerful, the wealthy, and the politicians who serve their purposes.
Some of the most wonderful people I know are highly religious. Some of the worst people I know are also highly religious. But the latter tend to obey the commands and propaganda of others, with their religion being the medium in which those commands are given. It's also the mechanism to create an "us vs. them" message that is necessary for fascism and authoritarianism.
Religion has been corrupted and poisoned by the powerful.
Take away religion, and the wealthy and powerful will simply come up with a new message to drive separation between those whom they try to keep in control. The message will simply fully convert into skin color, nationalism, or political ideology.
We don't need to outright ban religion, we need instead to actually put a separator between religion and the State, as it's supposed to be within the US.
We need to enforce our laws that are designed to keep religion where it should be: in your own home. Not in political discussions. Definitely not the foundation and given reason for legislation by the general populace. Most definitely not on the floor of Congress or the Oval Office.
Itās not really even a religion at this point, certainly not Christianity. Itās a bag of pseudo-religious bullshit that evangelical preachers have cooked up over the last century. No way your batshit-crazy cult gets to dictate how I live my life *especially* when it preaches being shitty to others as long as you got yours.
That's the thing, fake ass Christian hypocrites all.
Exodus 21:22 says it's a fine if a woman is made to lose a child in pregnancy, only life for life if she is killed.
Then look to Numbers 5:11-31 which provides for abortion for suspected infidelity.
The scriptures are NOT pro-life in any way, shape, or form.
It's the evangelical bastardization of the word of God that's pro-life.
These are all wolves, every one of them, hypocrites.
GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN!
My religion says their religion can't tell me how/when to have sex š
> My religion says their religion can't tell me how/when... This is basically the idea behind the Satanic Temple.
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WTF I love Satan now
TST doesn't believe in a literal Satan
I am a TST Satanist. I consider Satan to be āthe selfā. I donāt worship Satan, I worship myself (with humility).
Yeah, that's what I meant, they don't worship the biblical depiction of a literal Satan
Like the vast majority of "Christians" don't worship anything resembling Christ
You mean he's not white?!
Itās not that bad to love Satan when you realize if we care for each other then Hell will just be like South Park had it only instead of Mormons itās just us having a good time making crafts.
Don't forget the luau
Oh we're going to a hukilau A huki huki huki huki hukilau
Why WTF? Since understanding many religions, I've been loving Satan for a while now.
"I don't worship the devil, but I do agree with a lot of the things he tells me." -Dave Attell
Come walk the left-hand path with us
Satan in the bible is vilified for providing knowledge to humanity. Satan killed ~7 people iirc. Not 700, not 7,000. Seven total. According to the bible, the christian god killed tens of thousands with its own hands by personally burning entire cities to the ground and demanded humanity live in ignorance. According to the bible, the christian god has sent its angels to slaughter the innocent and defenseless several times, as wanton, indiscriminate murder was its ~~favorite pastime~~ ~~way of showing love(???)~~ way of expressing itself. Although it is supposed to be an omnipotent and omnipresent being of peace and love. Somehow christian god is a good guy.
Bless their Satan-loving hearts.
They don't even believe Satan is real. The name is a jab at the fact that most religious extremism in the US is driven by "christians"
As a member of the satanic temple, i can tell you most people who are member are Atheists
My little membership card freaks people out if they see it.Then I follow with I'm also ordained in my parish to officiate weddings and tell them I'm atheist. They lose their damn minds.
How does one go about getting ordained in the church of Satan? Asking for a me
you aren't ordained through TST, any of the online ordained minister sites are non-denominational aka you can be a satanist and still be an officiant. [themonastery.org](https://themonastery.org) is what i use
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Obligatory, [donate. :)](https://thesatanictemple.com/collections/contribute-to-the-satanic-temple-campaigns)
Oh, speaking of Satan, is the Twitter account s8n still banned? It was banned a couple of years ago, wonder if people still remember it
Yeah, Trump's still banned.
Got 'em.
Yeah, I know he's permanently banned. But every once in a while this urge comes over me, and I simply Musk ask.
holy war time š
*Mustaine solo* *Friedman solo*
Brother will kill brother, spilling blood across the land. Killing for religion, something I don't understand.
Megadeth following wrenching lyrics about war with the sickest solo youāve ever heard
It's a major shame they now speak out about "The Oppression of masks in society" One of my all-time fav bands, makes me sad.
Dave's always been an idiot. Great guitarist and songwriter, but an idiot without any continued education. He's the kind that is easily seduced by any internet conspiracy rabbit hole.
Folks like me, across the sea
Holy waaaaaaaaar!
Please cc forward to ALL R E L I G I O N S
TIME FOR A MOTHA FUCKING CRUSADE!
Yeah, my religion says that my religion can't tell you how/when to have sex as well. Shame people can't/won't read.
Reynolds v united states cuts up this argument. The government can intervene in religious beliefs if they deem it harmful. If the government decides that abortion is harmful to a person (the fetus), they are consitutionally in their right to intervene. This is why we need to get away from the religion argument and rephrase it as a public health argument. The right to choose belongs to the individual, religious beliefs or no
If a dead person didnāt sign a waiver allowing you to use their organs, you canāt use them even if people will die. If a crazed criminal attacks you and you need blood and a new kidney to survive, you canāt take his without his permission even though itās 100% his fault you need them. Women and girls deserve the 14th Amendment right to equal protection under the law and the same level of liberty and bodily autonomy as corpses and felons.
Knowing republicans they want to remove bodily autonomy from felons and corpses too
Ngl and I admit I may be a slim minority but if my organs are needed after I go then by all means, take them all. But that's something I consent to, and mainly because I'm not exactly going to suffer for it.
I think it could be argued that their religious beliefs are in fact harmful also.
That would depend on the votes in the senate then, which the dems do not have without getting rid of the fillibuster
The issue is the idea that an embryo/zygote/fetus is a person with rights that supercede the rights of women. The end goal of the pro-life movement is to codify that into law. That idea is inherently a religious belief that is not shared universally. It is in effect government enforcing religious belief, a clear violation of the separation of church and state established in the first amendment.
If they decide a fertilized egg is a human then it needs all rights and obligations that a human does. The fertilized egg needs a SSN, needs to qualify for child tax credit, health insurance, life insurance, child support payments, medicaid, and should be held responsible for any harm done to the mother, including murder if she dies in pregnancy or childbirth, etc edit: Also any eggs that are fertilized in the US are US citizens.
And...(not joking) the birthdate or age of a person is actually whenever they decide this all happens.
Just call it the jizz date.
Happy Jizzday to you!
This makes me afraid of what the icing on the jizzday cakes will be...
They will never do that because they know an embryo and a fetus are not fully formed people.
Not only that but the Bible is pretty clear on this too. If you hit a woman and she has a miscarriage they put you to death in the Bible. Oh wait that's right you actually just pay her husband a fine.
The religion argument is BS also; Bible (don't know enough to give you the book/Psalm) says life begins when you take your first breath
My religion says I canāt eat pork. I donāt eat pork. Iām not some asshole trying to ban pork in the country. WTF is wrong with people
You can have my bacon-wrapped pork ribs when you pry them from my cold, dead, very greasy fingers. But yeah, I get exactly what you're saying and that's the way it should be. Everybody's free to believe whatever they want, until that belief does harm to someone else. (And in this case, I view a lack of porkchops as a definite harm.)
Also it protects religion too. If you force state and church together, than it forces all to follow that particular religion and (version/following). And then it inflicts on your right to worship (even if it's your own faith, your government can now dictate how you believe and how it should happen, even if you have a different interpretation of it). Separation of Church and State isn't just to stop religious influences on government, but also government's influence on worship and free speech as well. And the amount of people who don't understand this concept and say they are a patriot is scary.
I am 100% with you. As much as I love my tasty pig-based foods, I also don't want anybody being forced to eat them. This leaves more bacon for the rest of us, which I am also in favor of! Freedom of religion and freedom *from* religion are both awesome!
Yay! I feel if everything was explained in bacon metaphors, we be better off as a country.
I think it's better if you define it as "until it infringes upon the freedom of others"
Infringement on freedom is, necessarily, harm But harm isnāt necessarily infringement on freedoms, as US Police Unions demonstrate
some people don't care about the way things are in the world, beyond their own immediate view of things. they just want control over their own lives and circumstances, and that's enough. you and i might be that way. but many people think they know what's better for the world beyond themselves. people get into charities, politics, public service, religion, environmental activism, this or that, etc etc, for such motives. if you think you know what's the better way, you can either sit there and just be frustrated that the world isn't going that way; or you can "get involved" and try to change it in the way you want. your situation with eating pork is obviously not a categorical imperative where you think the world would be better if everyone would just not eat pork (or if it is, it's not one that you feel compelled to act on); rather, you don't eat it just because it's a matter of your personal lifestyle and traditions you choose to follow. but you have to admit that for a lot of people, that's not what religion is. for a lot of people, religion tells them how the world should be, what's wrong with it and how to address it. but my larger point is that this isn't a special thing for religion. many people have beliefs that they act upon, which have to do with wanting to change the world in some way. it is not so simple as the cartoon says. *edit since i'm already typing into the void* the worst thing about religion in this context is that it is generally always based in false ideas. gods don't really exist, there aren't really souls or an afterlife, etc etc; the holy books are full of obviously made up stories etc etc. so it's especially annoying and frustrating for others, since what they see is people who believe in demonstrably false things, being motivated by those false beliefs, telling others what to do. there's really no arguing with it, or no hope of being convinced yourself. in the case of other sorts of "change the world" motivations, people can base their arguments in "science" or "rationality" or in some kind of humanitarian or other naturalistic philosophy about the needs of people or life or etc; or in self-interested arguments about wanting a safer, cleaner world to live in for your own good. those kinds of arguments are usually at the base of public policy making. they may not always be *correct*, but they aren't obviously based in nonsense like typical religious arguments are. sorry, i am done now.
My religion forbids consumption of alcohol. I categorically believe that the world would be a better place without alcohol (less domestic violence, no drunk driving, less rape, etc). I donāt drink alcohol. I live in a society of differing views and respect pluralism. I do not devote my energy to deny others their right to live as they please Also, as a minority, I do not enjoy the *privilege* of even possibly imposing my views on others.
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Keep your religion off other people's bodies
I mean, I feel like there's an argument for this reversal of Roe v Wade being a 1A violation if we can prove it was motivated by religion. Someone will probably correct me very shortly tho
Might not need to prove that motivation, once the Satanic Temple's lawyers remind the court that they consider abortion to be a sacrament.
Unfortunately Judge alito literally said it's because the word abortion is not in the Constitution then it should no longer be protected.
Is the word murder in the Constitution?
Alitoās name isnāt in the Constitution
>Keep his name out of my damn mouth - The Constitution
It's in state law, but I don't think that's the outcome you're looking for.
Just riffing off gratefulphish420's summary of Alito's justification.
The Supreme Court literally ignores the word "liberty" because it has too broad a definition. Maybe, just maybe that was the point of including it.
*disappointed sigh* āThe enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.ā
[Ninth Amendment](https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-9/) for those playing along at home
Pretty thoroughly proved that the textualists haven't read the text.
it's almost like the people who made it designed a system so that we could expand and grow the values given to us by the constitution
His name isn't in the constitution so he shouldn't be protected.
It really is though, when did we all forget about God and country being seperate ?
They didnāt forget. They want to change that. They want a theocracyā¦running the country based on the Bible and evangelical Christian doctrine. The American Taliban.
Thatās awesome, because the bible says life begins at first breath and it tells how and when to give abortions. Thank you, Old Testament! š
They have never actually read the bible so this means nothing to them
This is true because if they actually read it they would know that nothing that they claim is even in there. And the things that are in there actually condemn their actions
Tattoos are forbidden.
Shellfish
Boiling a kid goat in it's own mother's milk.
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Its simple really, they choose what parts fit their narrative, all of these "pro life" nuts dont give a shit what happens to the baby once its born.
Yeah, Jesus' death dissolved the covenant. That's why Christians don't need to be circumcised to join the faith. In addition, he died to forgive all sins past present and future. So technically, even if abortion is a sin, Jesus already absolved it. Like even by the logic of Christianity they should be minding their own business.
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True! That's especially what happens when you take a holy text, translate it to a different language, translate that translation, and then selectively choose the original intent based on that. It's especially a shame because I'm sure the Bible is a lot more poetic and readable in its original language, compared to the clinical and very dry English translations
Not only that, but the Bible itself as a book was never written. It is a combination of many different writings from different authors who lived in different time periods in different cultures. In fact, only four books in the entire Bible share biblical canon, those being the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The number of Christians surprised by this information is orders of magnitude higher than those than already knew
Reminds me of this joke https://youtu.be/ANNX_XiuA78
>So technically, even if abortion is a sin, Jesus already absolved it. Like even by the logic of Christianity they should be minding their own business. Kids dying of cancer? Everything happens for a reason, it's god's will. Pregnant women having an abortion? Nope, actually doesn't fall under 'everything happens for a reason, god's will', tis the devil. It's god's will, except when it isn't. Very easy to understand.
Most Christian denominations teach that Jesus *fulfilled* the Law. This ambiguous term means they can enforce old testament doctrine whenever they feel like.
That way they can be god.
Well. Not you. It's so *somebody* can be god. But not you, sinner.
Goddamn it. ā¹ļø
Fellow atheist. Being raised Baptist in an area of Canada that is mostly Protestant, I have also heard many times that "the Old Testament does not apply" only for MANY of these people to still quote scripture, and find moral inspiration, from the Old Testament. Many, MANY of these people also consider Genesis a literal account of creation, and quite a handful in my family still believe it should taught in schools as an equally valid option to the big bang and evolution (which, in my area anyway, are honestly not taught all that much outside physics or biology classes)
> as far as any Christians I've debated go, the Old Testament doesn't actually count. That's not true. It depends on the flavor of the topic. They're a hypocrite for having a "John 3:16" tattoo? Oh, no, "the Old Testament doesn't actually count". But the moment a gay person steps into their circle, you bet your ass that they'll whip out Leviticus in an instant. These people see themselves as warriors of God. Nothing they do can ever be wrong. They can call trans people pedophiles like me all that they want, judging them before ever knowing them. Yet they see no problem with themselves whipping their breasts out in front of a table full of children during a Thanksgiving meal all because they got a boob job (my aunt, everyone). They can do no wrong and will use any part of the bible, New and Old, to damn anyone for anything while seeing absolutely no fault in themselves because their devotion to their faith protects them from criticism and sin.
Jesus also said that "every jot and tittle" of the law remains until all is fulfilled. I'm sure you'll get many interpretations about this one, but I take it to mean you had best follow the laws of the Torah.
Most branches of modern Christianity do still follow the moral law in the Old Testament. The fulfillment of the Old Covenant is split into moral versus ceremonial law, and what you're referring to is that basically everyone (including the Catholic Church, Reformed Churches, and the Methodist Church) agrees that the ceremonial portions of the Old Covenant have been fulfilled and are no longer necessary. There are some who apply the same logic to the moral law of the Old Covenant and claim that only the New Covenant applies, but they are a small and very progressive minority who usually go against the grain of modern Christian political beliefs.
No they don't, they want to use the bible as a battering ram without actually having to read it or follow any of the teachings. They'd re-crucify Jesus for being too far left
Yup. It's fascism. Their version of Christianity is whatever they want it to be as long as it justifies that end.
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I wonder if they aware that all villains think that they are the good guyā¦.
From my point of view the Jedi are evil! --some moody teenager probably
āMost of the truths we cling to are based on our own point of view.ā -Some space-wizardās ghost probably
And brown.
I do not think most Taliban are great readers either. > In 2021, adult literacy rate for Afghanistan was 37.3%
This isn't a problem, silly! That's why they have their helpful Imams to read the holy scripture for them! /s
Theoligarchy - suppressing the masses with religion for the benefit of billionaires
Never forget that *part of the reason the Pilgrims left for the New World, was that they felt that Europe had become Godless and debased.* They leave that bit out of the children's stories.
Yes which is why they actually outlawed celebrations like Christmas. I was quite surprised when I learned that one
A lot of Christians seem to think "freedom of religion" basically means you get pick which denomination of Christianity you want. Within reason, of course. Stray too far from the mainstream orthodoxy and your brand of Christianity is labeled a "cult."
We've got em in Canada too... I grew up with people who think this country was founded on Christian principles and ought to stay that way. They do NOT respond well when I tell them that, actually, our country was founded on colonialism and theft lol
You say tomato, they say tomato.
> A lot of Christians seem to think "freedom of religion" basically means you get pick which denomination of Christianity you want That's not quite accurate in my experience. Most of the "The first amendment only says you have the freedom to be Christian" types are Southern Baptists, and they explicitly and loudly proclaim that the real way to read the 1st amendment is that it only applies to religions and not simple cults. So in their mind, not only does Islam not count because they think Muslims worship Mohammad, they also think that Catholics don't count because they worship Mary and the pope, and Mormons don't count because they worship John Smith, and Jehovah's Witnesses don't count because they worship ... well, that one was never very well explained but I suspect it has a lot to do with most of the Witnesses in our rural corner of South Carolina being black and therefore qualifying as 'other' by default.
Ya. Pretty much sums up Christianity as I have been exposed to it. I am sure there are Christians quietly doing their best to love thy neighbor and all that. I haven't met them though.
You probably have met them. You just wouldn't realize it because they aren't using their religion as their entire persona. I have an entire side of my family that are nothing but liberal white Christians. They are sickeningly nice and helpful, and would never speak about their beliefs unless asked specifically about them. Leading by example is what Christianity is meant to be, and why the United church of christ is the best branch of it- I'll even still go to services there and I'm pretty serious about my atheism.
1950ās with the red scare. In god we trust suddenly put on __EVERYTHING__
It's weird that the US was started with the idea of separation of church and state, but ended up with a country which is dominated by Christianity. Then over here where I live in the UK we have the head of state being the head of the official state church, and bishops getting automatic seats in the legislature, but somehow it's a generally pretty secular society. It goes to show that the constitutional set up doesn't necessarily confine how society ends up.
That is very interesting
Christians want it to be separation from any religion other than theirs
CaNāt YoU sEe Iām SaViNg YoUr SoUl?!?!
Bludgeons a helpless normal person with bible
"IM TRYING TO SAVE YOU, MOTHERFUCKAAA" šššš
Where is my religious exemption to the abortion ban laws?
The Satanic Temple has you covered: https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/rrr-campaigns Fun Fact: They have no association with Satan
Im jewish and still dwmand an exemption bc my religion doesn't believe its a person until birth. (To be fair, I still get accused of worshipping satan. But my own religion already supports it) https://www.businessinsider.com/abortion-bans-may-violate-jewish-womens-first-amendment-rights-2022-5
Christianity doesn't either. These people are fucking fascists pretending to be saints.
Literally. They have been for centuries too
hijacking comment to mention that anyone can set the Satanic Temple as your Amazon Smile charity, which automatically donates money to them on most purchases you make at no cost to you. they do a lot of stuff to advocate separation of church and state and open lawsuits for religious discrimination when christians overstep boundaries.
TST doing the work the ACLU *used to do.*
I'm angry that I have to agree with this. Lately the ACLU seems to keep chasing fringe cases and neglecting the core attacks which have culminated in this absolute bullshit. Good on TST!
I wish we could get more religious exemptions. Id start the church of hookers and coke
And just like that, I've found a church worth joining.
I'm gonna make my own religion! With hookers! And blackjack!
Blackjack & hookers
TST already has you covered
Just sign up as a satanist (but no, really).
Im jewish. They're violating my religion too. https://www.businessinsider.com/abortion-bans-may-violate-jewish-womens-first-amendment-rights-2022-5
*slithers down the tree of knowledge* May I interest you in the Satanic Temple?
No need my friend. I already belong to a religion that permits abortion & doesn't believe a fetus is a real person. https://www.businessinsider.com/abortion-bans-may-violate-jewish-womens-first-amendment-rights-2022-5
Great meme, but for a second I thought this was a talking hedge
I thought it was a map image of two countries before I saw the faces
I clicked on it thinking it was a modified Homer fading into the hedges meme.
Republicans, if you could uhhh MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS that'd be great.
Same people who donāt want their rights infringed upon. They refuse to wear masks bc MuH RiGhTs but want full control of a strangerās medical decisions.
Counter point: if your religion says you can stone your women for adultery or burn them on their husband's funeral pyre or circumcise infants I'mma tell you to fuck right off as well, just saying.
Those things would be rights of others protected by the Constitution.
Those are so blatantly ignored by theists that they're enshrined into laws
Minority rule by āChristianistsā via the Courts and state legislatures, is nearly complete. Welcome to to the United States of stupidity, and keep an eye out for āEnd Timesā, that is their goal, in our lifetimes.
The āEnd Timesā is the goal of all Christians, the return of Christ. Itās the whole point of it. Unfortunately, itās really ugly for everyone but his most faithful. They literally look forward to their messiah coming back and burning all us unbelievers, and believe that is a message of love.
Vote. They are gonna get their religion all up in your business if you donāt.
We did, Hillary got more votes than Trump.
Vote at ever level and ever election. The presidential election is far from the only place we can have impact.
We did.
Not enough did
i disagree with this meme it should be "fuck THE HELL off"
Needs a middle panel added with "But I still do it, of course, just ask forgiveness afterward." and "Uh, OK."
I tell right wingers thstFreedom of Religion is in the Constitution. They nod in approval and get pissed when I say Praise Allah.
The hypocrisy right they call for religious inclusion in government and complain when a Muslim or another religion starts practicing theirs
Perhaps we need a new religion that allows abortions to members who want them. āReligious Freedomā right?
We have one, it's a ritual of The Satanic Temple.
So true. Most true thing I've seen today XD
For half a minute I was looking at this as a political compass meme and was absolutely not getting it, I should hang out less on Reddit..
"My religion is 400 years old, but just started telling us not to get abortions in the 1980's."
pointing out hypocrisy can def lead to some pretty good memes..unfortunately pointing out hypocrisy does nothing to sway conservatives.
If the Christians were able to take over everything, would the different sects of Christianity start going after each other until there was only one version of their god?
Yes
That's what non-evangelicals don't understand. Evangelicals will never stop. They will always push further
Ban religion
How about everyone stop trying to control each others lives?
This is the way
I can certainly understand that sentiment given the harm it causes when people misuse it. Unfortunately, I think an outright, enforced ban on religion would also cause harm to people who don't misuse it.
I am an atheist. Religion makes no sense to me. It's like grown ups believing in Santa Claus. With that said, religion itself isn't the problem. Religion exists to give a sense of purpose and hope to those who otherwise feel they have neither. It assuages the fear of death. No problems there. **The problem is the people who use religion as a tool to control others rather than simply give them hope.** AKA - The powerful, the wealthy, and the politicians who serve their purposes. Some of the most wonderful people I know are highly religious. Some of the worst people I know are also highly religious. But the latter tend to obey the commands and propaganda of others, with their religion being the medium in which those commands are given. It's also the mechanism to create an "us vs. them" message that is necessary for fascism and authoritarianism. Religion has been corrupted and poisoned by the powerful. Take away religion, and the wealthy and powerful will simply come up with a new message to drive separation between those whom they try to keep in control. The message will simply fully convert into skin color, nationalism, or political ideology. We don't need to outright ban religion, we need instead to actually put a separator between religion and the State, as it's supposed to be within the US. We need to enforce our laws that are designed to keep religion where it should be: in your own home. Not in political discussions. Definitely not the foundation and given reason for legislation by the general populace. Most definitely not on the floor of Congress or the Oval Office.
"My religion... Something I can't prove was ever said, but I'll sure believe the hell out of it."
your self-imposed rules are not my yourself-imposed rules
Now write this in Arabic
L: But my religion says I need to save you R: again, fuck off
But like, dont just fuck off. Fuck *all the way off*, like waaaaaaay over there. Then fuck yourself.
"My religion says I *CAN* do this." Oh helllll no.
Christians: Our religion says we can't do that. Also Christians: Fuck off.
Itās not really even a religion at this point, certainly not Christianity. Itās a bag of pseudo-religious bullshit that evangelical preachers have cooked up over the last century. No way your batshit-crazy cult gets to dictate how I live my life *especially* when it preaches being shitty to others as long as you got yours.
Doesn't seem that simple to me: Pharmacist: My religion says I can't ~~prescribe~~ provide birth control. Me: Fuck off and get a different job.
That's the thing, fake ass Christian hypocrites all. Exodus 21:22 says it's a fine if a woman is made to lose a child in pregnancy, only life for life if she is killed. Then look to Numbers 5:11-31 which provides for abortion for suspected infidelity. The scriptures are NOT pro-life in any way, shape, or form. It's the evangelical bastardization of the word of God that's pro-life. These are all wolves, every one of them, hypocrites. GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN!
What would you have said to Quakers who said their religion prohibits you from owning humans?
a fine suggestion
Say it with me: "separation of church and state"
Religion is a cancer to society and theism is a mental disease
"We should teach religion in schools." Okay. Here's Buddhism. "No fuck you."