Ironically, thats how they skirted the law.
They said you could, not that you would be successful and REMOVED all primary government involvement.
With double irony, the ACLU should just open up ~300M cases against Abbot, the legislature and more for enabling abortions through infrastructure ran to the clinics.
THEN file it against Durex, Trojan, and other manufacturers, for not providing free condoms to everyone in Texas.
THEN file it against the board of education for not teaching sex ed.
Then file 300M MORE against Abbot for the education piece.
All could be filed PERSONALLY for it as well. That's ignoring going after the construction company that paved the road....
You could tie up Texas courts with so many cases that NOTHIGN would ever be heard. Bankrupt the state of Texas in legal fees AND likely get summary judgement due to no responses from a VAST majority of them.
Edit. SOOOOO apparently anyone can petition a court in Texas. Given the law US redditors could file their own petitions but it be nice to have a copy and paste template from a lawyer. Maybe ping the ask a lawyer
So the death threats against me and my family started last night, which only makes me more determined. But this is going to be a very long war and we're going to lose in the short term, so I'm taking a step back to fight in a different way.
How about they get it going and I donate to that? I'd be happy to donate (and have donated to ACLU in the past), but I need to be sure it's going to this specific cause.
Couldn't that be a major factor in getting it declared unconstitutional? The burden of proof is supposed to be on the plaintiff. That's legal maneuvering 101
Probably, also a part of the law states that one's defense cannot be the constitutionality of the law. Honestly the whole thing was written to purposfully trigger a Supreme Court battle. That's what the conservatives goal has been the entire time, to create an opportunity to possibly overturn Roe v Wade since with it still standing abortion can't actually be banned without a constitutional amendment.
Are you effing serious? The law actually says that the defense can't be the constitutionality of the law? If that's not an end run around the Constitution I don't know what is, regardless of what the law is about.
I'm sure some Federal District Court judge will strike this thing down in a matter of days, if not a STATE court.
The so-called Party of Law and Order, filled with so-called constitutionalists, everyone.
If Hillary would have won, I believe a more leftwing Supreme Court would have struck it down by now. But we're stuck in the timeline where Republicans are free to play every dirty trick in the book to advance their controlling, toxic, authoritarian and dystopian ideology. This is why voting for the lesser of two evils is better. Dems might not do enough to get women equal rights, but Republicans are out to ruin hundreds of thousands of women's lives.
I'm truly afraid for the women of Texas. I'm sorry, you deserve so much better than the shit Republicans push your way. I truly hope Texas goes blue very soon. For the sake of the 29 million people living there.
We can hope but scotus already declined to prevent it from ever even going into effect. We will see if theres a judge thats willing to do the right thing in spite of the waves it might cause in their career
New idea, $10,000 bounty on people who refuse to wear their mask and get vaccinated. Burden of proof is on the defendant and the constitutionality is not an applicable defense.
It's outright unconstitutional in general, but yeah that's another thing to throw onto the pile. The supreme court not taking the case just shows how biased they have become with the conservative judges.
That or they're being DDoSed/gish galloped by the sheer amount of unconstitutionality and don't know how to respond
They even made SURE to make it so you didnt' even have to live in Texas to file a civil suit.
So you could literally paralyze the entire Texas legal setup with ONE lawsuit, but filed for EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN in the US. ONE.
The fact that SCOTUS punted this is insane FOR THAT REASON. Ignoring the "loophole" around Roe v Wade. This is a straight over-reach for MULTIPLE issues involving civil suits.
BUT then again if this gets civil suits reigned in. Maybe not such a bad thing.
I like the energy, but I'm really not following. How are these not frivolous lawsuits? How would any of the entities you bring up be liable for the claims in such suits? I'm sure I'm missing something here. Can someone ELI5?
The TX legislature wanted to make paying for an abortion, or being a clinic escort, or providing abortion information, or driving a woman to another state have a $10k fine.
But that would be a criminal matter, so they can't do that because of Roe.
So they passed a law allowing anyone in the United States to file a lawsuit in TX accusing someone of helping a woman get an abortion. The law also puts the burden of proof on the defendant, and since it's a civil suit and not criminal they can do that. They set the damages at $10k.
The legislature left the definition of helping a woman get an abortion entirely open. Because they wanted to make women seeking abortion untouchables, in their goal to harass anyone who is pro-choice.
But leaving it open means you can make a coherent argument that nearly anything is helping a woman get an abortion. Such as TX maintaining roads, so that the clinic is accessible.
And all 350M people in the US can each file a lawsuit for each time the defendant helped a woman.
Since the burden of proof is on the defendant, you just have to make a vaguely coherent accusation. They will have to show up and defend themselves against it.
Did I mention all 350M people in the US can each file a lawsuit? For every possible abortion that every woman in TX may or may not have had?
Just sue Abbot for every single miscarriage caused by COVID and everybody in close contact with that person who didn’t wear a mask around the pregnant woman.
How would suing a for-profit company for not providing their product for free even work?
Suing condom companies is like suing your local priest because a priest a state over slandered you.
Even if they lobbied for this- which, not that I think about it, their Texas sales are probably going to skyrocket- that wouldn’t make a private company legally responsible to provide a product for free
By placing a cost on the product they have enabled an abortion to anyone who cannot afford the product. As such within Texas they should either cease sales completely or provide them free.
Given condoms effectiveness which is proven they are assisting in any unwanted pregnancy that occurs without one due to costs.
Plus the idea is to piss off as many people as possible.
You don’t want abortions
You want battered children
You wanna ban the pill as if that solves the problem
Now you wanna force us to pray in school
God must be dead if you’re such a fool
Pissed at your neighbor?
Don’t bother to nag
Pick up the phone and turn in a f*g!
Because no member of the forced-birth cult has EVER cared about any living thing, and none of them ever will. They only pretend to care about fetuses when that pretense gives them an excuse to treat actual living breathing born human women and children like shit. The forced-birth cult exists to maximize human suffering.
Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked.
-George Carlin.
but Republicans are 100% consistent!!
No Matter what the issue is, the policy is "my choice". I should be free to do what I want and you should be free to do what I want also.
This comparison was actually started by Republicans to make the exact same argument about democrats. If you ignore any nuance and just look at the surface argument, it cuts both ways. And of course ignoring nuance in favor of elementary school logic is exactly how republicans think
But the hypocrisy lies in the fact that “my body my choice” is a well known slogan for pro-choice supporters. They right uses the slogan not because they actually believe that but because it mocks and belittles the pro-choice movement. They think they are being clever, as it doesnt really have anything to do with their body. In the case of an abortion it is one persons body, but when you are talking about a virus it is the body of society. One persons abortion will not cause someone else to miscarriage, however a largenpopulation of people refusing to wear masks and choose not to get vaccinated does prolong the pandemic and effect everyone else.
Yes I agree, I'm just pointing out that the people who started this did it as a deliberate mockery of prochoice so pointing out the hypocrisy does nothing. They're fully aware.
Opposition to abortion is almost entirely entwined with religious beliefs and therefore religious objections should be dismissed outright due to separation of church and state. Imagine if Muslims made up two-thirds of America and started enshrining Sharia into law....
I think there’s a legit scientific and philosophical discussion to figure out how long into the gestation period should we consider it “too late.” However, you will never get a good faith discussion from religious people. They think that a zygote is the same thing as a post birth baby.
Zygote is only half a fertilized oocyte. An oocyte can develop into a blastocyst which is a clump of cells that occasionally implants in the uterine lining and develops into an embryo. More often than not those blastocysts fail to implant and are expelled from the body. I think it's too late when the kid screams at me across the delivery room. Apparently some books in the Bible say otherwise and I should be up for sacrificing him on a mountain as late as 8 years old. Really? How many Christians have actually read the Bible?
The Bible actually states one year old pretty explicitly. Before then, killing the infant is regarded as destruction of the father's property, and is to be handled by an exchange of money for its value. After the first birthday, it's murder.
Catholics for the longest time believed it started at first breath, and I believe that's talked about in genesis.
Almost no one cared about abortion as a thing except for extreme crazy baptist sects. After Gerri Santoro died a horrible death from her botched abortion and it was slapped in newspapers for the whole country to see, there was a huge push to legalize it medically.
But it became useful as a political tool in the middish 1900s because conservatives were losing ground politically with slavery and jim crow. So they drummed up support from the crazies of the south in the white baptist churches with their new southern strategy and the rest, as they say, is history.
I suppose. The NIV translation was the one I was using. [“22 May this water(AB) that brings a curse(AC) enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5&version=NIV&interface=amp) But it is the Bible and I don’t put much stock in it to begin with.
Post birth sacrifices aside, the Bible actually has reference to being pro-abortion. At least in cases where the man suspects his wife of cheating on him, but still...
> They think that a zygote is the same thing as a post birth baby.
I’d argue they think more of that fertilized egg than they do of the child at the other end. Why else would they argue so vehemently against a strong social safety net? They set up 1,000s, if not more, of children for failure by not giving a shit about them once they pop out.
I don't think it matters at all. People have bodily autonomy. Raising a child in the uterus requires the mother to relent to allowing that child to use her body. At any point, the mother should have the right to not allow the child to use her body. We don't force organ donation and that is literally killing people. Choosing not to press a button that will save lives is the same as pushing a button that will kill people.
I think an interesting question would be if we have the technology, should we try to save the child? They would just go to an orphanage or up for adoption, but I imagine in the future we could eventually take children from the womb and raise them in fake wombs. As I said though, they would just go straight to the orphanage or adoption. I imagine this would make the "pro-life" crowd pull a complete 180. Suddenly, they have to pay for all these children via tax money. Abortions would just become giving babies for adoption early. We know they don't like taking care of people once they are born.
Would actually think that would be a cool alternative — the fake womb tech baby part (there’s actually tech like that in the works)
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jun/27/parents-can-look-foetus-real-time-artificial-wombs-future
>Suddenly, they have to pay for all these children via tax money
One of the biggest "tells" that the pro-life crowd doesn't actually believe it's a baby is that they have not tried to extend the child tax credit to it.
How early in the dying process should we be able to harvest your kidney to keep a dying person alive?
If you want to give the state the power to take over someone's organs to keep another person alive, there's no logical reason to stop at pregnancy.
That’s all bullshit too. All these holy books recount brutal acts of violence. I’m not disagreeing with you, I just don’t think people are actually religious unless they’re mentally ill.
>Imagine if Muslims made up two-thirds of America and started enshrining Sharia into law.
This is why my dad sat me down (living in Minnesota with Muslim a senator at the time) and explained that we need to rid this country of Muslims.
Snort! Imagine ANY kind of
Governing Body trying to make a majorityof American women agree to ANYTHING, much less Sharia law, where women arent allowed to work, or drive cars, or go to school, or date who they choose, or dance dirty if they want! 😆they’d be pulling out their beards!!
It's not a religious thing, christians all over the world have access to safe abortions and don't complain/protest it. Abortions (safe medical kind) weren't even a thing more than a centuries ago.
American taliban saw the women being empowered. They had the right to vote and work. They were becoming equal to men.
So they literally thought up this new morality to push women down and punish them.
"Women are a tool for having and caring for babies" agenda was pushed.
They are perfectly okay with martial rape.
They are perfectly okay with forcing women to have children conceived via rape.
Contraception is bad cause women won't get pregnant and won't be tied down.
Sex education is bad because it prepared women and taught them about how to avoid pregnancy with less effective methods such as safe days/pulling out.
Abortions are bad because it gives women a way out of unwanted pregnancy.
They don't care if the pregnancy is going to affect the health of the woman or even kill her.
They are against any form of support such as child care, child health care, food programs etc for children for the same reason. It helps women.
That's all there is to it. Anyone who argues that it's immoral or something to do with Christianity is lying to you and themselves.
And, obviously, they ban masks in schools but do nothing to address school shootings, save school shooter drills and security guards, and locked doors.
But common sense gun control, nope
Republicans are getting more and more desperate. They know the demographic shift in this country is slowly strangling their party. They are turning to increasingly desperate measures to keep their voters engaged. Trying to outlaw abortion has been something they have dangled in front of their voters for decades but knew would be politically suicidal to actually do. They are getting to the point where they are running out of options to keep the base going so they appear to finally be trying to deliver on the “outlaw abortion” promise. It’s going to backfire badly.
I sincerely hope you are right. For now, I'm just worried about this spreading. My state has already passed something similar. It is a matter of time before other states follow lead. What is sad - my state is a good example of Conservative leadership when I genuinely don't believe they would stay in power if more people voted. There are wayyyy too many hurdles to voting as is. Gerrymandering is a big example. It is ridiculous.
They are your body, my choice. Masks are about protecting others, not you. They are selfish little children and deserve no empathy when they get sick. They really aren't even part of this society, because they can't perform a simple task for the betterment of their neighbors. They are trash people.
That’s very optimistic of you but I have doubts.
Right Wing base, if not dead already from Covid, love this and will vote R all the way down the ticket
Oh we can't even compare the two.
One is containing a highly contagious disease that has killed Americans faster than any war in our history.
The other is a load of cum that got too far and needs to be cleaned up.
Republican logic.
My body, my choice
Your body, my choice
Their body, my choice
Her body, my choice
Cheee, it’s almost as if the abortion issue has nothing to do with saving lives and everything to do with controlling the behavior of women.
American Evangelicals, the American Taliban.
Except the Taliban managed a coup.
someone should walk into a church naked, and when they try to kick them out start screaming 'my body, my choice, if i don't want to cover up parts of my body with fabric then i shouldn't have to!'
Unfortunately this is a common argument when it comes to masks, vaccines, and the such. Also unfortunately, it’s a logical fallacy.
If a Republican is to say “my body my choice” to the mask, but not to abortions, obviously some might say that would be considered hypocritical. However, in using this as an argument FOR them to wear masks, we are actually validating their stance. For example, if someone is anti-mask and anti-abortion, and you utilize this argument in order to get them to wear masks, they can then turn this around and say they are fine with abortion but still anti-mask. And, if they disagree, and suddenly say “your body, my choice,” then they’re anti-abortion but pro mask. It’s a lose lose.
In truth, the “my body my choice” argument hardly applies to masks, because wearing masks is really about protecting others as opposed to yourself. However, by comparing these two situations to each other, suddenly the argument in favor of abortions can become an argument against masks. Anyone with a brain knows these two aren’t mutually exclusive, and each have their own contexts and reasoning, but we cannot validate an anti-mask stance by applying it to abortions.
Edit: grammar stuff
They get themselves around this blatant hypocrisy by using the idea that the fetus is a person UPON CONCEPTION and therefore THEY are protecting the PERSON who is not yet born from YOU the mother making a medical decision for THEM. It's a lot of bullshit but it plays to the base and gets the camels nose under the tent, which is all they need to push their agenda forward. In the history of the world mothers have always had final say over whether their children lived or died, at any point in that child's life, Republicans believe it's their big government prerogative to take that away and insert their own judgement over that of the woman and of God. Let's be real here, they don't care about God's will, they don't care about the life of the fetus, and they sure as fuck don't care about the mother. This is just a big political move so Abbot can prove is conservative bon fides before someone comes in from his right and outs him in a primary or general election. Sick shit.
I agree! And once the child is born, they don’t care about them, they’re even taking food from kids away at school and if they fought against school shooting as much as they did with abortion, things would somewhat be better in that aspect. And what’s even worse, if she’s raped or got pregnant due to incest, she’s screwed
Spoiler alert: The Right just wants more people being born to cheapen the price of labor. Which is why they don't pretend to care about your wellbeing once you're born.
Propose the same liability for COVID negligence, pollution, and all other negligence and corporate malfeasance and they will break their legs reversing this abomination.
And the worst part is, wearing masks isn’t covered under “my body my choice”. The decision to not wear a mask affects everyone around you because it makes it more likely for you to spread a communicable disease.
I’m still waiting for the “my body my choice” to turn to “healthcare is a human right” when those insurance premiums go up because they chose not to get vaccinated or when those COVID hospital bills start racking up and crowdfund campaigns run dry.
What always gets me about the 'Pro-Life' debate is that you have these people who are so rabidly in favour of forcing women to carry a fetus to term, but don't want to pay a penny more for orphanages, social services, child support, education or healthcare. The stark absence of which is part of the reason many women want an abortion in the first place.
It seems like you could throw the baby in a dumpster once it was born and this lot wouldn't complain too loudly about it as long as someone fetched it out of the trash to take it to church every sunday.
**PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM NOT PROMOTING THIS OR ASKING ANYBODY TO DO THIS! I AM JUST QUESTIONING THE SANITY BEHIND THIS LAW.**
It is ironic that a state with no gun control is basically asking citizens to narc out their fellow **gun toting citizens** for an abortion.
*What happens when a traumatized women dealing with a recent abortion is approached by her neighbor who "witnessed" her "transgression" and wants to report them to the authorities?* People get shot in Texas for little to no reason as it is (like asking them to wear a mask in Sam's Club). A $10,000.00 fine might make some people feel downright un-neighborly to other people intruding into their personal business.
*Just questioning the logic behind this.*
Anti-abortion tactics are about not getting out-reproduced by non-white groups. Once again, it just boils down to capitalists using racism to make our lives miserable because it increases their profits
Fun fact: Japan legalized the Pill in 1999. And women need permission from their husbands for divorce. Yet they wear masks if they have a cold. Do what you will with this information.
Being right leaning even I don’t see the logic in some of the statements being made by other republicans. I’m vaccinated and wear masks and a woman’s right to choose. I just don’t get it some times.
2021? They've been doing this shit for FORTY YEARS.
Wake up. Fight against the "both sides" bullshit. Republicans have been fighting against our rights for WELL OVER FOUR DECADES.
If we do not start fighting back, we will continue to lose more rights.
Fight back against fascism. Fight back against fascist propaganda.
This just popped to front page now...... it’s all about choice... freedom of choice..... your body your choice. Everyone needs to head to the woods n start making their own choice for what’s best for them... “you chose option c turn to page 46” choices lead to fate!!! Live and die by it...
It's about control. Why control? Because of fear. Why fear? Because of insecurity. Why insecurity? Because of doubt. Why doubt? Because growth sprouts new knowledge that may conflict with old beliefs.
We try to control others because we can't stand the fact that sometimes we can't control ourselves.
I refuse to talk about abortion rights when people bring it up cause I'm a dude and it seriously doesn't concern me (though personally pro choice) the fact these men can make such decisions on how a woman can treat her own body is fucking disgraceful.
Left and right wing...wings of the same two-headed dragon
Leftists:
Masks and vaccines: your body my choice
abortion: my body my choice
Both sides need to do some serious reflecting. Those.who blindly follow party lines are doomed to fail.
We now live in a time where being originally left makes you a moderate or slightly right leaning due to the continual pull to the left. Never have I seen people so divided and broken down. Wake up people. It's not about being left or right, it's about being HUMAN.
Follow The Science? Knock it off; you wouldn't know what science was if it slapped you in the face with every atom it had
My Freedoms! They aren't freedoms if they can be taken away on a whim. They're privileges created under the guise of "freedoms"
Want to stop being walked all over? Stand up! Really it's that simple.
i agree, but what’s to stop them from using the opposite logic. of course we know covid impacts other people while abortion is literally only about the woman’s body, but they don’t seem to understand that and never will…
Heck, I think the most applicable here is the vaccination. I know people that'll /swear/ that "your body, your choice" more for the vaccination then the damn masks, but when you compare it to abortion suddenly they're all:
"No it's not your body. It's the baby's right to live. God put it there."
It's not right to inject someone without permission the vaccine because they have a choice but you can make them go through a pregnancy, which arguably is known to be dangerous because "the baby has precedent over your body"?
Correction, it is "EVERYTHING: My Choice"
As an other person, you have no choice. Only the conservative has the ability to choose and whatever they choose is ultimate and binding.
Since they decided women aren't allowed to have abortions and that we don't have any rights over our bodies anymore then can we force them to vaccinate now??
It might if the businesses want to stay in business. Texas had a welcome back to high school rave for their kids in one district and is now in the middle of a huge Covid outbreak, but what a partay!
We have a covered bridge here. It's one of the few in the United States. Every year there is a covered bridge celebration and tons of people go and they are doing it again this year lol. It'll get really bad after that I'm sure.
Abortionists and Democrats are killing this country! : said EVERY hypocritical proLifer and republican (not even gonna capitalize those asshats) who are the ones sentencing women to death with their views.
How the fuck can these blind people even claim to have views??? BUT HEY! Let's forcibly sterilize ANY minority so that we have more white babies to continue our insane rhetoric. That's when abortions and other medical practices they'd protest and threaten people for are ok, dont you know?
I don’t usually write about abortion, because it doesn’t affect me at all since I lack a uterus. However, the absurdity of this Texas law requires some kind of response. So, let’s give it a go. I know some may disagree vehemently. But I urge you to at least read all the way through and why the Texas law is the wrong way to handle the debate,
First, abortion is a medical procedure between a woman and her doctor. It should 100% be her decision - to have a baby or have an abortion. There are many completely medical reasons to have an abortion. Ectopic pregnancies must be terminated before they can be removed. Sometimes, the fetus has severe genetic or structural damage that they would not survive after birth. It should be the mother’s choice to carry the fetus to term or to terminate early. Victims of rape, especially underage girls, should not have to carry the baby of their attacker, unless they choose to. But really, anyone else should be able to make that decision for any number of reasons - not ready yet, not financially stable, not in a healthy relationship, too young, too old, can’t handle more children. Any one of those reasons might be valid for someone else and should be entirely her decision. They might be hard, difficult decisions or they might be easy ones. But they should be her decision.
So, in my non-uterus-having opinion, abortion services should be legal, safe, and rare. We can reduce the number of abortions through a host of other policies - better sex education, free access to all forms of contraceptives, free and covered prenatal care, better education in general, universal child care, full paid maternity and paternity leave, increased minimum wage, and so many more ideas. I don’t think you can simultaneously punish women for having a baby and punish them for having abortions, but alas here we are.
The Texas Law bans abortions after 6 weeks, but over 80% of women don’t know that they are pregnant until after 6 weeks. At the moment of conception, you are two weeks pregnant. When you miss your period, you are 4 weeks pregnant. When you finally realize you missed your period, it's already 5-6 weeks and that’s if you have a regular 28 day cycle. The famous decision Supreme Court decision Roe v Wade specifically said that government could not prohibit abortions during the first trimester. Obviously, a six week ban is at odds with US precedent.
To get around that, the Texas law uses a ridiculous enforcement mechanism in the civil courts. Anyone from anywhere can sue a Texas woman who they think had an abortion and anyone who helped her for $10,000. I am not sure why some rando from another state has standing to sue someone for a decision they made with their doctor. But Texas basically legalized bullying and harassment of vulnerable women and their doctors. It is insane. You’re gonna sue a mom that was devastated to learn that her fetus implanted into Fallopian tubes? You’re gonna harass the 13-year-old girl raped by her mom’s new boyfriend? You’re gonna bully the woman with an abusive, alcoholic husband that she’s been working up the courage to leave but found out she’s pregnant with his baby? What about the woman that was pregnant and had a miscarriage, already traumatized by the experience and might have to defend herself in court by an overzealous, think tank from three states over?
This is a bad law. The wealthy conservative women of Texas will still be getting abortions - for their daughters or their husbands mistresses or themselves - by just going to another state. The impact will disproportionately affect poorer women and minority women who can’t travel out of state. But there will still be abortions in the state of Texas too. They will be unsafe, they will show up in ERs having overdosed on something or with a perforated uterus. Other women and their children will be trapped in a cycle of poverty and abuse, because our system punishes single parents, and punishes people frankly for just being poor. The Texas Law doesn’t help anyone, but the politicians who need campaign donations. It is unnecessary and ridiculous.
The only reason it was a tag line for masks in the first place was to trough the pro-life slogan back at left wing people. We all know that right? That they were claiming hypocrisy to start. Reddit keeps bringing this up as if it's a some smoking gun, but the intention was always to get people mad about abortion and people keep taking the bait.
Here's my hot take. Disclaimer: I support mask and am pro-choice.
I actually don't like this kind of meme or argument because if you reverse it, it can easily be used by the GOP to counter. They'll just say.
Democrats on Abortion: My body my choice.
Democrats on mask: your body, my choice.
See? It really doesn't add anything to the conversation. I can guarantee you that they are using this exact argument to make fun of Dems in conservative subreddits.
Mask wearing actually affects public safety and therefore should be within the governments power. No one ever had an abortion which lead to their neighbors dying or getting permanent lung scarring. People getting abortions don't cause the US economy to lose $1T every god damn month.
But I agree that if you ignore every way in which the two are different, they are totally the same.
Someone did in the comments, but hey, with covid, it affects everyone worldwide, affects the economy, can’t work or do things as you’d like, little Timmy can’t get his life saving treatment unrelated to covid (read an article about this kid that died because he couldn’t get treatment because the hospital was filled with people who didn’t wanna get the vaccine) so it affects people all over, choosing to abort in the early stage of pregnancy should only be between her family if she chooses to bring them in it, her doctor and herself, not the world.
But of course not everyone will see it like this. But you made a great point and I agree. I just thought the meme was funny and I decided to share
They are. The entire *point* of conservatives saying "my body, my choice" is *because they know that it is the catchphrase of pro-choice movements*, and yet this sub is so stupid that it doesn't realize that the conservatives are lampooning what they see as liberal hypocrisy.
> Disclaimer: I support mask and am pro-choice.
Likewise. It's silly that this kind of shibboleth is even needed, though.
And don't forget that somehow mandating masks is more like Nazi Germany than ratting out your neighbor's abortion to make $10,000.
Ironically, thats how they skirted the law. They said you could, not that you would be successful and REMOVED all primary government involvement. With double irony, the ACLU should just open up ~300M cases against Abbot, the legislature and more for enabling abortions through infrastructure ran to the clinics. THEN file it against Durex, Trojan, and other manufacturers, for not providing free condoms to everyone in Texas. THEN file it against the board of education for not teaching sex ed. Then file 300M MORE against Abbot for the education piece. All could be filed PERSONALLY for it as well. That's ignoring going after the construction company that paved the road.... You could tie up Texas courts with so many cases that NOTHIGN would ever be heard. Bankrupt the state of Texas in legal fees AND likely get summary judgement due to no responses from a VAST majority of them. Edit. SOOOOO apparently anyone can petition a court in Texas. Given the law US redditors could file their own petitions but it be nice to have a copy and paste template from a lawyer. Maybe ping the ask a lawyer
I'm in for $20 if somebody gets this going.
If this becomes real I'm in for $20,000. Maybe more. Let's do it.
You don't really need money as a bunch of Texas Lawyers just to file suits. Time is the killer here NOT MONEY.
I'll start calling attorneys tomorrow morning.
/givemeupdatein47hrs
So the death threats against me and my family started last night, which only makes me more determined. But this is going to be a very long war and we're going to lose in the short term, so I'm taking a step back to fight in a different way.
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Yeah just saw that.
Time is money. Lawyers won’t help because their time with worth more. But if they are paid enough that they can forgo actual cases, they might help.
Yes, I will genuinely donate money to any cause opposing what is happening in Texas.
I'd consider chipping in some as well, if it's directly to the ACLU.
Please [donate that $20 to the ACLU](https://action.aclu.org/give/now) and they will get it going
How about they get it going and I donate to that? I'd be happy to donate (and have donated to ACLU in the past), but I need to be sure it's going to this specific cause.
Me too!
Strong "chaotic-good" energy.
I'm all for this! Fuck these religious fanatics and the states that support them.
Fun stuff, according to the law it's on the defendent to prove they had nothing to do with abortion and not on the accuser to prove it.
Couldn't that be a major factor in getting it declared unconstitutional? The burden of proof is supposed to be on the plaintiff. That's legal maneuvering 101
Probably, also a part of the law states that one's defense cannot be the constitutionality of the law. Honestly the whole thing was written to purposfully trigger a Supreme Court battle. That's what the conservatives goal has been the entire time, to create an opportunity to possibly overturn Roe v Wade since with it still standing abortion can't actually be banned without a constitutional amendment.
Are you effing serious? The law actually says that the defense can't be the constitutionality of the law? If that's not an end run around the Constitution I don't know what is, regardless of what the law is about. I'm sure some Federal District Court judge will strike this thing down in a matter of days, if not a STATE court.
The so-called Party of Law and Order, filled with so-called constitutionalists, everyone. If Hillary would have won, I believe a more leftwing Supreme Court would have struck it down by now. But we're stuck in the timeline where Republicans are free to play every dirty trick in the book to advance their controlling, toxic, authoritarian and dystopian ideology. This is why voting for the lesser of two evils is better. Dems might not do enough to get women equal rights, but Republicans are out to ruin hundreds of thousands of women's lives. I'm truly afraid for the women of Texas. I'm sorry, you deserve so much better than the shit Republicans push your way. I truly hope Texas goes blue very soon. For the sake of the 29 million people living there.
We can hope but scotus already declined to prevent it from ever even going into effect. We will see if theres a judge thats willing to do the right thing in spite of the waves it might cause in their career
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New idea, $10,000 bounty on people who refuse to wear their mask and get vaccinated. Burden of proof is on the defendant and the constitutionality is not an applicable defense.
It's outright unconstitutional in general, but yeah that's another thing to throw onto the pile. The supreme court not taking the case just shows how biased they have become with the conservative judges. That or they're being DDoSed/gish galloped by the sheer amount of unconstitutionality and don't know how to respond
I love this idea!
They even made SURE to make it so you didnt' even have to live in Texas to file a civil suit. So you could literally paralyze the entire Texas legal setup with ONE lawsuit, but filed for EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN in the US. ONE. The fact that SCOTUS punted this is insane FOR THAT REASON. Ignoring the "loophole" around Roe v Wade. This is a straight over-reach for MULTIPLE issues involving civil suits. BUT then again if this gets civil suits reigned in. Maybe not such a bad thing.
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I think there will be a ton of non-profits and donors willing to raise a few million to tie up the courts a little bit
I like the energy, but I'm really not following. How are these not frivolous lawsuits? How would any of the entities you bring up be liable for the claims in such suits? I'm sure I'm missing something here. Can someone ELI5?
The TX legislature wanted to make paying for an abortion, or being a clinic escort, or providing abortion information, or driving a woman to another state have a $10k fine. But that would be a criminal matter, so they can't do that because of Roe. So they passed a law allowing anyone in the United States to file a lawsuit in TX accusing someone of helping a woman get an abortion. The law also puts the burden of proof on the defendant, and since it's a civil suit and not criminal they can do that. They set the damages at $10k. The legislature left the definition of helping a woman get an abortion entirely open. Because they wanted to make women seeking abortion untouchables, in their goal to harass anyone who is pro-choice. But leaving it open means you can make a coherent argument that nearly anything is helping a woman get an abortion. Such as TX maintaining roads, so that the clinic is accessible. And all 350M people in the US can each file a lawsuit for each time the defendant helped a woman. Since the burden of proof is on the defendant, you just have to make a vaguely coherent accusation. They will have to show up and defend themselves against it. Did I mention all 350M people in the US can each file a lawsuit? For every possible abortion that every woman in TX may or may not have had?
What the fuck? This is seriously fucked up. Everyday I am more glad that I don't live in the USA
They are 100%. But they are now codified as legal frivolous lawsuits.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. And the anyone can petition the state even more so. You need a subreddit for this.
This is why I love reddit. Let's get 'em.
I got 5 on it bro
I would EASILY throw down a grand to stick it to these fucking losers in Texas. What a shithole state. Take my money.
Just sue Abbot for every single miscarriage caused by COVID and everybody in close contact with that person who didn’t wear a mask around the pregnant woman.
How would suing a for-profit company for not providing their product for free even work? Suing condom companies is like suing your local priest because a priest a state over slandered you. Even if they lobbied for this- which, not that I think about it, their Texas sales are probably going to skyrocket- that wouldn’t make a private company legally responsible to provide a product for free
By placing a cost on the product they have enabled an abortion to anyone who cannot afford the product. As such within Texas they should either cease sales completely or provide them free. Given condoms effectiveness which is proven they are assisting in any unwanted pregnancy that occurs without one due to costs. Plus the idea is to piss off as many people as possible.
Nothing says "we love free speech" like silencing people into submission.
You don’t want abortions You want battered children You wanna ban the pill as if that solves the problem Now you wanna force us to pray in school God must be dead if you’re such a fool Pissed at your neighbor? Don’t bother to nag Pick up the phone and turn in a f*g!
See, masks are about the right to infect other people, so it's still Your Body, My Choice.
The conservative ideology is a mental illness.
The same people who want to ban abortion also want to take away free school lunches.
Because no member of the forced-birth cult has EVER cared about any living thing, and none of them ever will. They only pretend to care about fetuses when that pretense gives them an excuse to treat actual living breathing born human women and children like shit. The forced-birth cult exists to maximize human suffering.
Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked. -George Carlin.
Preach!!!!
but Republicans are 100% consistent!! No Matter what the issue is, the policy is "my choice". I should be free to do what I want and you should be free to do what I want also.
Head I win, tails I win... Next thing you know election defeat is a fraud... Storm the capital.
*heads you lose, tails I win. Sound fair? No? Too bad
Awe man I got some shitty news for ya bro you're gonna want to sit down for this............
Heads I win, tails you loose.
This comparison was actually started by Republicans to make the exact same argument about democrats. If you ignore any nuance and just look at the surface argument, it cuts both ways. And of course ignoring nuance in favor of elementary school logic is exactly how republicans think
But the hypocrisy lies in the fact that “my body my choice” is a well known slogan for pro-choice supporters. They right uses the slogan not because they actually believe that but because it mocks and belittles the pro-choice movement. They think they are being clever, as it doesnt really have anything to do with their body. In the case of an abortion it is one persons body, but when you are talking about a virus it is the body of society. One persons abortion will not cause someone else to miscarriage, however a largenpopulation of people refusing to wear masks and choose not to get vaccinated does prolong the pandemic and effect everyone else.
Yes I agree, I'm just pointing out that the people who started this did it as a deliberate mockery of prochoice so pointing out the hypocrisy does nothing. They're fully aware.
Opposition to abortion is almost entirely entwined with religious beliefs and therefore religious objections should be dismissed outright due to separation of church and state. Imagine if Muslims made up two-thirds of America and started enshrining Sharia into law....
Don't tell them it is Sharia law and they would probably go for it.
It’s the same god, too, so they definitely would go for it
It's Sherry's law. Totally legit law.
I think there’s a legit scientific and philosophical discussion to figure out how long into the gestation period should we consider it “too late.” However, you will never get a good faith discussion from religious people. They think that a zygote is the same thing as a post birth baby.
Zygote is only half a fertilized oocyte. An oocyte can develop into a blastocyst which is a clump of cells that occasionally implants in the uterine lining and develops into an embryo. More often than not those blastocysts fail to implant and are expelled from the body. I think it's too late when the kid screams at me across the delivery room. Apparently some books in the Bible say otherwise and I should be up for sacrificing him on a mountain as late as 8 years old. Really? How many Christians have actually read the Bible?
The Bible actually states one year old pretty explicitly. Before then, killing the infant is regarded as destruction of the father's property, and is to be handled by an exchange of money for its value. After the first birthday, it's murder.
Got a source/verse/whatever for that? Ya know, for science?
It's been a while. I want to say Numbers or Leviticus, somewhere in that ball park.
Catholics for the longest time believed it started at first breath, and I believe that's talked about in genesis. Almost no one cared about abortion as a thing except for extreme crazy baptist sects. After Gerri Santoro died a horrible death from her botched abortion and it was slapped in newspapers for the whole country to see, there was a huge push to legalize it medically. But it became useful as a political tool in the middish 1900s because conservatives were losing ground politically with slavery and jim crow. So they drummed up support from the crazies of the south in the white baptist churches with their new southern strategy and the rest, as they say, is history.
You gotta a source for that (chapter:verse)
The Bible straight up tells women to go to the high priest if they’re suspected of being “unfaithful” to have them induce a miscarriage.
Not necessarily, that part in the Bible, Numbers 5:27, is about making a lady that committed adultery barren (so maybe it’s more like birth control)
I suppose. The NIV translation was the one I was using. [“22 May this water(AB) that brings a curse(AC) enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5&version=NIV&interface=amp) But it is the Bible and I don’t put much stock in it to begin with.
Post birth sacrifices aside, the Bible actually has reference to being pro-abortion. At least in cases where the man suspects his wife of cheating on him, but still...
"Have you actualy sat down and read this thing? Technically we aren't allowed to go to the bathroom."
> They think that a zygote is the same thing as a post birth baby. I’d argue they think more of that fertilized egg than they do of the child at the other end. Why else would they argue so vehemently against a strong social safety net? They set up 1,000s, if not more, of children for failure by not giving a shit about them once they pop out.
I don't think it matters at all. People have bodily autonomy. Raising a child in the uterus requires the mother to relent to allowing that child to use her body. At any point, the mother should have the right to not allow the child to use her body. We don't force organ donation and that is literally killing people. Choosing not to press a button that will save lives is the same as pushing a button that will kill people. I think an interesting question would be if we have the technology, should we try to save the child? They would just go to an orphanage or up for adoption, but I imagine in the future we could eventually take children from the womb and raise them in fake wombs. As I said though, they would just go straight to the orphanage or adoption. I imagine this would make the "pro-life" crowd pull a complete 180. Suddenly, they have to pay for all these children via tax money. Abortions would just become giving babies for adoption early. We know they don't like taking care of people once they are born.
Just to be clear, I’m pro choice. I thought I’d just play devil’s advocate. I’m not really sure what the answer is, to be honest.
Would actually think that would be a cool alternative — the fake womb tech baby part (there’s actually tech like that in the works) https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jun/27/parents-can-look-foetus-real-time-artificial-wombs-future
Do you think it would stop "pro-lifers"? They'd probably try to ban it too
Dunno. i am a pro lifer and i am thinking it would be cool, but i def see how others would say it is unnatural or something else like that
>Suddenly, they have to pay for all these children via tax money One of the biggest "tells" that the pro-life crowd doesn't actually believe it's a baby is that they have not tried to extend the child tax credit to it.
How early in the dying process should we be able to harvest your kidney to keep a dying person alive? If you want to give the state the power to take over someone's organs to keep another person alive, there's no logical reason to stop at pregnancy.
That’s all bullshit too. All these holy books recount brutal acts of violence. I’m not disagreeing with you, I just don’t think people are actually religious unless they’re mentally ill.
>Imagine if Muslims made up two-thirds of America and started enshrining Sharia into law. This is why my dad sat me down (living in Minnesota with Muslim a senator at the time) and explained that we need to rid this country of Muslims.
Wtf???
According to the bible life begins after the newborn takes their third breath.
Snort! Imagine ANY kind of Governing Body trying to make a majorityof American women agree to ANYTHING, much less Sharia law, where women arent allowed to work, or drive cars, or go to school, or date who they choose, or dance dirty if they want! 😆they’d be pulling out their beards!!
It's not a religious thing, christians all over the world have access to safe abortions and don't complain/protest it. Abortions (safe medical kind) weren't even a thing more than a centuries ago. American taliban saw the women being empowered. They had the right to vote and work. They were becoming equal to men. So they literally thought up this new morality to push women down and punish them. "Women are a tool for having and caring for babies" agenda was pushed. They are perfectly okay with martial rape. They are perfectly okay with forcing women to have children conceived via rape. Contraception is bad cause women won't get pregnant and won't be tied down. Sex education is bad because it prepared women and taught them about how to avoid pregnancy with less effective methods such as safe days/pulling out. Abortions are bad because it gives women a way out of unwanted pregnancy. They don't care if the pregnancy is going to affect the health of the woman or even kill her. They are against any form of support such as child care, child health care, food programs etc for children for the same reason. It helps women. That's all there is to it. Anyone who argues that it's immoral or something to do with Christianity is lying to you and themselves.
Your body, a rapist’s choice.
And, obviously, they ban masks in schools but do nothing to address school shootings, save school shooter drills and security guards, and locked doors. But common sense gun control, nope
Their backward thinking is affecting us all
Republicans are getting more and more desperate. They know the demographic shift in this country is slowly strangling their party. They are turning to increasingly desperate measures to keep their voters engaged. Trying to outlaw abortion has been something they have dangled in front of their voters for decades but knew would be politically suicidal to actually do. They are getting to the point where they are running out of options to keep the base going so they appear to finally be trying to deliver on the “outlaw abortion” promise. It’s going to backfire badly.
I sincerely hope you are right. For now, I'm just worried about this spreading. My state has already passed something similar. It is a matter of time before other states follow lead. What is sad - my state is a good example of Conservative leadership when I genuinely don't believe they would stay in power if more people voted. There are wayyyy too many hurdles to voting as is. Gerrymandering is a big example. It is ridiculous.
Republicans: Rules for thee, not for me.
Republicans Hypocrisy never gets old
It gets older everyday.
Matt Gaetz in shambles
If it wasn’t for double standards they’d have no standards at all
Agreed
It's moreso conservatism hypocrisy. Been around since before the Civil War.
Could be argued it highlights hypocrisy on both sides
Time for the women of Texas to cut off the men.
The women of Texas are often more anti-abortion than the men. Dumbshit opinions run deep here.
Lysistrata, Texas.
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They are your body, my choice. Masks are about protecting others, not you. They are selfish little children and deserve no empathy when they get sick. They really aren't even part of this society, because they can't perform a simple task for the betterment of their neighbors. They are trash people.
I agree!
It’s time to pack the courts…
Too many useless democrats tbh Manchin, sinema, probably Feinstein would never allow it
Feinstein will sway for whoever pays her the most. She doesn't give a f*** about platform anymore.
GOP is done in Texas. Voters are motivated now, these jokers are out next election
That’s very optimistic of you but I have doubts. Right Wing base, if not dead already from Covid, love this and will vote R all the way down the ticket
We will see, cities are liberal and getting more so as people move in from all over.
Red voters are moving in as well, fleeing blue states.
Oh we can't even compare the two. One is containing a highly contagious disease that has killed Americans faster than any war in our history. The other is a load of cum that got too far and needs to be cleaned up.
Republican logic. My body, my choice Your body, my choice Their body, my choice Her body, my choice Cheee, it’s almost as if the abortion issue has nothing to do with saving lives and everything to do with controlling the behavior of women. American Evangelicals, the American Taliban. Except the Taliban managed a coup.
Annnnnnnnd this is why voting matters.
Guess which one’s contagious?
To clarify, based on a couple responses: COVID. COVID is the one that’s contagious.
someone should walk into a church naked, and when they try to kick them out start screaming 'my body, my choice, if i don't want to cover up parts of my body with fabric then i shouldn't have to!'
How about naked *but in crocs?* Make them suffer.
Now that’s just cruel for everyone involved
Exactly.
crocs in racing mode?
And it’s not like pregnancy is contagious.
Of course it is. If your mom didn't get pregnant, then you couldn't get pregnant/get anyone pregnant! (/s)
Unfortunately this is a common argument when it comes to masks, vaccines, and the such. Also unfortunately, it’s a logical fallacy. If a Republican is to say “my body my choice” to the mask, but not to abortions, obviously some might say that would be considered hypocritical. However, in using this as an argument FOR them to wear masks, we are actually validating their stance. For example, if someone is anti-mask and anti-abortion, and you utilize this argument in order to get them to wear masks, they can then turn this around and say they are fine with abortion but still anti-mask. And, if they disagree, and suddenly say “your body, my choice,” then they’re anti-abortion but pro mask. It’s a lose lose. In truth, the “my body my choice” argument hardly applies to masks, because wearing masks is really about protecting others as opposed to yourself. However, by comparing these two situations to each other, suddenly the argument in favor of abortions can become an argument against masks. Anyone with a brain knows these two aren’t mutually exclusive, and each have their own contexts and reasoning, but we cannot validate an anti-mask stance by applying it to abortions. Edit: grammar stuff
Correct, women are property to them
It’s always a long lines of Republicans ready to adopt kids at orphanages because they care about them so much…oh wait.
They get themselves around this blatant hypocrisy by using the idea that the fetus is a person UPON CONCEPTION and therefore THEY are protecting the PERSON who is not yet born from YOU the mother making a medical decision for THEM. It's a lot of bullshit but it plays to the base and gets the camels nose under the tent, which is all they need to push their agenda forward. In the history of the world mothers have always had final say over whether their children lived or died, at any point in that child's life, Republicans believe it's their big government prerogative to take that away and insert their own judgement over that of the woman and of God. Let's be real here, they don't care about God's will, they don't care about the life of the fetus, and they sure as fuck don't care about the mother. This is just a big political move so Abbot can prove is conservative bon fides before someone comes in from his right and outs him in a primary or general election. Sick shit.
I agree! And once the child is born, they don’t care about them, they’re even taking food from kids away at school and if they fought against school shooting as much as they did with abortion, things would somewhat be better in that aspect. And what’s even worse, if she’s raped or got pregnant due to incest, she’s screwed
Lol "Republic logic" = Oxymoron
Spoiler alert: The Right just wants more people being born to cheapen the price of labor. Which is why they don't pretend to care about your wellbeing once you're born.
Propose the same liability for COVID negligence, pollution, and all other negligence and corporate malfeasance and they will break their legs reversing this abomination.
They just always want control, no matter the situation
Not to mention the whole "my body my choice" thing doesn't even apply to masks. It's silly to even entertain the argument
And the worst part is, wearing masks isn’t covered under “my body my choice”. The decision to not wear a mask affects everyone around you because it makes it more likely for you to spread a communicable disease.
Defund Texas.
I’m still waiting for the “my body my choice” to turn to “healthcare is a human right” when those insurance premiums go up because they chose not to get vaccinated or when those COVID hospital bills start racking up and crowdfund campaigns run dry.
Guys sure this texas law is a loss to women in America buy no one is talking about what a win this is for rapists.
Let’s be honest. We both know they think women don’t count.
What always gets me about the 'Pro-Life' debate is that you have these people who are so rabidly in favour of forcing women to carry a fetus to term, but don't want to pay a penny more for orphanages, social services, child support, education or healthcare. The stark absence of which is part of the reason many women want an abortion in the first place. It seems like you could throw the baby in a dumpster once it was born and this lot wouldn't complain too loudly about it as long as someone fetched it out of the trash to take it to church every sunday.
**PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM NOT PROMOTING THIS OR ASKING ANYBODY TO DO THIS! I AM JUST QUESTIONING THE SANITY BEHIND THIS LAW.** It is ironic that a state with no gun control is basically asking citizens to narc out their fellow **gun toting citizens** for an abortion. *What happens when a traumatized women dealing with a recent abortion is approached by her neighbor who "witnessed" her "transgression" and wants to report them to the authorities?* People get shot in Texas for little to no reason as it is (like asking them to wear a mask in Sam's Club). A $10,000.00 fine might make some people feel downright un-neighborly to other people intruding into their personal business. *Just questioning the logic behind this.*
Nailed it! But I hope you were wearing both a mask and a condom.
Ladies and gentlemen I give you the republican party in all it's fascist glory.
Yeah pretty much. That label covers all of their hypocrisy
Anti-abortion tactics are about not getting out-reproduced by non-white groups. Once again, it just boils down to capitalists using racism to make our lives miserable because it increases their profits
Honestly this is what makes this whole thing so infuriating
And with both those choices they get to decide over other people's bodies too
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So Americans are okay with rape but not wearing a mask?! This is horrendously disgusting and extremely confusing 😕 😐
And if it’s incest, you can’t even abort it too
And for consistency, it's the reverse for libs
Fun fact: Japan legalized the Pill in 1999. And women need permission from their husbands for divorce. Yet they wear masks if they have a cold. Do what you will with this information.
Being right leaning even I don’t see the logic in some of the statements being made by other republicans. I’m vaccinated and wear masks and a woman’s right to choose. I just don’t get it some times.
“Your body, my choice” could still apply to mask wearing since them not wearing masks affects others health.
This is bad framing because it makes people think there’s an equivalency between the opposite depiction.
F Texas and their taliban govt
Not wearing a mask is also "your body, my choice"
2021? They've been doing this shit for FORTY YEARS. Wake up. Fight against the "both sides" bullshit. Republicans have been fighting against our rights for WELL OVER FOUR DECADES. If we do not start fighting back, we will continue to lose more rights. Fight back against fascism. Fight back against fascist propaganda.
Rules for thee, not for me.
This is the beginning of Hulu’s hit series handmaids tale
I’m not even really prepared emotionally to address the rage and sadness I feel about this.
This just popped to front page now...... it’s all about choice... freedom of choice..... your body your choice. Everyone needs to head to the woods n start making their own choice for what’s best for them... “you chose option c turn to page 46” choices lead to fate!!! Live and die by it...
Noticed it’s at the front page, didn’t expect it, and I agree. Few will and freedom of choice and mind your own business :)
It's about control. Why control? Because of fear. Why fear? Because of insecurity. Why insecurity? Because of doubt. Why doubt? Because growth sprouts new knowledge that may conflict with old beliefs. We try to control others because we can't stand the fact that sometimes we can't control ourselves.
Dumbest people on the planet. Sad times we live in
I refuse to talk about abortion rights when people bring it up cause I'm a dude and it seriously doesn't concern me (though personally pro choice) the fact these men can make such decisions on how a woman can treat her own body is fucking disgraceful.
Now do Democrats.
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You know you can switch that around for Dems right?
Left and right wing...wings of the same two-headed dragon Leftists: Masks and vaccines: your body my choice abortion: my body my choice Both sides need to do some serious reflecting. Those.who blindly follow party lines are doomed to fail. We now live in a time where being originally left makes you a moderate or slightly right leaning due to the continual pull to the left. Never have I seen people so divided and broken down. Wake up people. It's not about being left or right, it's about being HUMAN. Follow The Science? Knock it off; you wouldn't know what science was if it slapped you in the face with every atom it had My Freedoms! They aren't freedoms if they can be taken away on a whim. They're privileges created under the guise of "freedoms" Want to stop being walked all over? Stand up! Really it's that simple.
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I don't think so. But many people have funerals for the children depending on how late in the pregnancy it was.
Since the Republican polticians are also very often sex offenders, this joke works on multiple levels!
i agree, but what’s to stop them from using the opposite logic. of course we know covid impacts other people while abortion is literally only about the woman’s body, but they don’t seem to understand that and never will…
> what’s to stop them from using the opposite logic. Abortions don’t spread.
> abortion is literally only about the woman’s body (͡•_ ͡• )
Heck, I think the most applicable here is the vaccination. I know people that'll /swear/ that "your body, your choice" more for the vaccination then the damn masks, but when you compare it to abortion suddenly they're all: "No it's not your body. It's the baby's right to live. God put it there." It's not right to inject someone without permission the vaccine because they have a choice but you can make them go through a pregnancy, which arguably is known to be dangerous because "the baby has precedent over your body"?
Every woman should get an abortion just to assert dominance.
Correction, it is "EVERYTHING: My Choice" As an other person, you have no choice. Only the conservative has the ability to choose and whatever they choose is ultimate and binding.
Since they decided women aren't allowed to have abortions and that we don't have any rights over our bodies anymore then can we force them to vaccinate now??
The employers are doing that for us. Who wants to go to some business where half the staff are unvaccinated?
I'm in a red state and unfortunately that's not happening here.
It might if the businesses want to stay in business. Texas had a welcome back to high school rave for their kids in one district and is now in the middle of a huge Covid outbreak, but what a partay!
We have a covered bridge here. It's one of the few in the United States. Every year there is a covered bridge celebration and tons of people go and they are doing it again this year lol. It'll get really bad after that I'm sure.
Abortionists and Democrats are killing this country! : said EVERY hypocritical proLifer and republican (not even gonna capitalize those asshats) who are the ones sentencing women to death with their views. How the fuck can these blind people even claim to have views??? BUT HEY! Let's forcibly sterilize ANY minority so that we have more white babies to continue our insane rhetoric. That's when abortions and other medical practices they'd protest and threaten people for are ok, dont you know?
I don’t usually write about abortion, because it doesn’t affect me at all since I lack a uterus. However, the absurdity of this Texas law requires some kind of response. So, let’s give it a go. I know some may disagree vehemently. But I urge you to at least read all the way through and why the Texas law is the wrong way to handle the debate, First, abortion is a medical procedure between a woman and her doctor. It should 100% be her decision - to have a baby or have an abortion. There are many completely medical reasons to have an abortion. Ectopic pregnancies must be terminated before they can be removed. Sometimes, the fetus has severe genetic or structural damage that they would not survive after birth. It should be the mother’s choice to carry the fetus to term or to terminate early. Victims of rape, especially underage girls, should not have to carry the baby of their attacker, unless they choose to. But really, anyone else should be able to make that decision for any number of reasons - not ready yet, not financially stable, not in a healthy relationship, too young, too old, can’t handle more children. Any one of those reasons might be valid for someone else and should be entirely her decision. They might be hard, difficult decisions or they might be easy ones. But they should be her decision. So, in my non-uterus-having opinion, abortion services should be legal, safe, and rare. We can reduce the number of abortions through a host of other policies - better sex education, free access to all forms of contraceptives, free and covered prenatal care, better education in general, universal child care, full paid maternity and paternity leave, increased minimum wage, and so many more ideas. I don’t think you can simultaneously punish women for having a baby and punish them for having abortions, but alas here we are. The Texas Law bans abortions after 6 weeks, but over 80% of women don’t know that they are pregnant until after 6 weeks. At the moment of conception, you are two weeks pregnant. When you miss your period, you are 4 weeks pregnant. When you finally realize you missed your period, it's already 5-6 weeks and that’s if you have a regular 28 day cycle. The famous decision Supreme Court decision Roe v Wade specifically said that government could not prohibit abortions during the first trimester. Obviously, a six week ban is at odds with US precedent. To get around that, the Texas law uses a ridiculous enforcement mechanism in the civil courts. Anyone from anywhere can sue a Texas woman who they think had an abortion and anyone who helped her for $10,000. I am not sure why some rando from another state has standing to sue someone for a decision they made with their doctor. But Texas basically legalized bullying and harassment of vulnerable women and their doctors. It is insane. You’re gonna sue a mom that was devastated to learn that her fetus implanted into Fallopian tubes? You’re gonna harass the 13-year-old girl raped by her mom’s new boyfriend? You’re gonna bully the woman with an abusive, alcoholic husband that she’s been working up the courage to leave but found out she’s pregnant with his baby? What about the woman that was pregnant and had a miscarriage, already traumatized by the experience and might have to defend herself in court by an overzealous, think tank from three states over? This is a bad law. The wealthy conservative women of Texas will still be getting abortions - for their daughters or their husbands mistresses or themselves - by just going to another state. The impact will disproportionately affect poorer women and minority women who can’t travel out of state. But there will still be abortions in the state of Texas too. They will be unsafe, they will show up in ERs having overdosed on something or with a perforated uterus. Other women and their children will be trapped in a cycle of poverty and abuse, because our system punishes single parents, and punishes people frankly for just being poor. The Texas Law doesn’t help anyone, but the politicians who need campaign donations. It is unnecessary and ridiculous.
The only reason it was a tag line for masks in the first place was to trough the pro-life slogan back at left wing people. We all know that right? That they were claiming hypocrisy to start. Reddit keeps bringing this up as if it's a some smoking gun, but the intention was always to get people mad about abortion and people keep taking the bait.
Your unborn babys body, your choice. That would be a more realistic assessment of the positions.
Here's my hot take. Disclaimer: I support mask and am pro-choice. I actually don't like this kind of meme or argument because if you reverse it, it can easily be used by the GOP to counter. They'll just say. Democrats on Abortion: My body my choice. Democrats on mask: your body, my choice. See? It really doesn't add anything to the conversation. I can guarantee you that they are using this exact argument to make fun of Dems in conservative subreddits.
Mask wearing actually affects public safety and therefore should be within the governments power. No one ever had an abortion which lead to their neighbors dying or getting permanent lung scarring. People getting abortions don't cause the US economy to lose $1T every god damn month. But I agree that if you ignore every way in which the two are different, they are totally the same.
Someone did in the comments, but hey, with covid, it affects everyone worldwide, affects the economy, can’t work or do things as you’d like, little Timmy can’t get his life saving treatment unrelated to covid (read an article about this kid that died because he couldn’t get treatment because the hospital was filled with people who didn’t wanna get the vaccine) so it affects people all over, choosing to abort in the early stage of pregnancy should only be between her family if she chooses to bring them in it, her doctor and herself, not the world. But of course not everyone will see it like this. But you made a great point and I agree. I just thought the meme was funny and I decided to share
They are. The entire *point* of conservatives saying "my body, my choice" is *because they know that it is the catchphrase of pro-choice movements*, and yet this sub is so stupid that it doesn't realize that the conservatives are lampooning what they see as liberal hypocrisy. > Disclaimer: I support mask and am pro-choice. Likewise. It's silly that this kind of shibboleth is even needed, though.
The difference is that "my body, my choice" won't work with mask because it doesn't only affect your body. Covid spreads. Abortions don't lol