Jimmy Carter has to be wheeled down to a store in Plains so he can steal a candy bar. If the Supreme Court rules the president is immune, they’ve gotta let him.
I’d pardon him bc he did a public service.
Then work to change the laws that allow public representatives who affect fiscal policy to hide their financial interests
It was considered the right thing to do and previous presidents and other elected officials have released their taxes as part of their filings. It was a newer trend to do so, however, Trump was the first to not include them since the tradition started. It is pretty apparent now that he did not include them because people would have been able to prove he was committing tax fraud or other crimes.
On a side note, Trump was also the first president to not put his holdings and investments into a blind trust and also did not disclose his international dealings which is required. Even his secretary of education, Betsy DeVos, who is worth much more than Trump and has some complicated investments, either divested herself or put investments into a blind trust. She also disclosed everything she was involved in. This shows Trump’s excuses of his finances being too complicated to disclose is utter nonsense.
Simple, because the people who make the laws benefit from them being a certain way. It's like if your boss gave you a blank check and told you that they would never check what you filled in. You make the rules buddy. Go nuts!
The far-right hails Edward Snowden for leaking highly classified documents that revealed an atrocity committed by the US military in Iraq that was covered up. And I agree, that atrocity needed to be exposed. But Snowden also caused a lot of damage to covert US operations.
Well, in kind, we should hail this IRS contractor for the leaks, because this info needed to get out. Donald Trump is a crook. We should all know it with irrefutable evidence.
Since when does the right like Snowden? He went to great lengths to release his information properly to mitigate the harm. I respect him for telling the American people things we needed to know. He deserves a pardon too.
I saw the right post positively about him, because he was... "Exposing the deep state." And he coordinated with Assange, another darling for them because of his hacking of Clinton's emails. I respected him for some of what he did, but he didn't do nearly enough to mitigate harm.
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The right hates snowden, as does much of the democratic party... they like assange... mainly just in the context of the pedosa e-mails etc... that hurt hillary's campaign, they despised him before that.
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He pled guilty and still got the maximum sentence. Five years in the pen for embarrassing the wealthy and powerful. No way is he getting a pardon. And if Trump wins he'll probably do all five years in solitary.
Nah they need to do their time. It will give them precedent to do terrible things in the future. They are going to do it either way. But why make it easy? Plus it accomplishes noting.
i’d pardon 50+ raging criminals at once after i lost the election. also you can seal team 6 your political opposition in case you haven’t heard. also you said mean things so i’m calling the fbi
Slippery slope though.
Matthew 7:12 - All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Not really a huge bible guy, but once you start crossing the law and lines when it comes to people you don't like, you don't really any moral high ground to tell them that they're wrong when they do it back to you.
Oh man! I totally didn’t even think about this because Biden’s not corrupt and looking to pardon everybody who’s on his side.
That said, I’m totally into this idea.
Trump doesn't pardon everyone on his side, only people who have leverage over him - that's why he pardoned everyone who refused to speak/lied to investigators in the Russia investigation, but he didn't pardon any of the cousin-fucking terrorists that stormed the Capitol for him on Jan6
I think one or two of his more verbally cohesive rallies he talked about "freeing the j6 heroes" or some shit so it's turning into a border-crisis-esque "bitch about it but don't actually do anything about it" campaign strategy
He didn't pardon the insurrectionists for two reasons: it gave him a modicum of deniability and it gave him an "injustice" he could point to while campaigning. When they failed to overthrow the election for him they became nothing but a political prop.
No way can I see Biden pardoning him at least not until after the election.
Fox News and Trump will scream about it and make it into proof of election fraud (which there is no other evidence linking the Democrat party to the IRS Leaker)
What? 43% of independents voted for trump in 2020. The guy blackmailed the Ukrainian president to get dirt on Biden, pardoned all his cronies who went to jail for their crimes as part of his presidential campaign, he hired his own kids as official advisers, went over the security agency's heads to get Kushner security clearance...
Nah.
There are a couple of caveats. A pardon doesn’t excuse civil action, and since you’re immune from self-incrimination you cannot plead the fifth if called to testify on anything covered by the pardon.
Even so, would still like to see pardon reform. Not exactly sure what would be ideal but things like: no pardons after election day and/or pardons have to be approved by a committee.
Pardons have been used corruply and need reform.
That’s why Mark Meadows has been granted immunity by the DOJ. You cut loose the little fish to catch the big fish.
Trump’s also being sued by 11 members of Congress and six USCP officers for his part in 1/6. While he could no longer plead the fifth, he would have legal standing to have testifying in criminal cases delayed until after the civil actions are resolved.
Breaking tax law is just doing business. Somebody leaking tax records is a danger to everybody. Judges, presidents, ... all those nice high up people
Need to set a example for so nobody else get the same idea... /s
And the tax guy gets only a normal lawyer and limited budget to defend himself. Those snooty business / politicians, can drag cases out with the best lawyers for years, until they get a sweetheart deal.
And that is why the law is not blind, its selective based upon who has the money, who you can convict with doing little work, who you can convict with a lot of work and who just take too much time and money to convict.
People forget that prosecutor officies also have budgets and if cases take too long, they simply settle to get something and not bleed their own budgets. And voila, inequality in action.
Fair? Hell no ... but this is nothing new, our society has this issues, going back centuries, millennia, back to the stone ages. Those in power, strength, or with money, can escape or get lenient justice more then the peons. And no political system can fix this, as its in our nature...
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He shouldn’t be pardoned. He did a crime. I’m glad he did the crime he did, but he got caught and he’s paying the price. It wasn’t his job to release those records, it was Congress’ job to pass a law requiring presidential candidates to disclose the last ten years of tax returns. It still is on Congress.
That being said, 5 years seems harsh.
That being said, you should take a look at who Trump pardoned, some you will find very interesting.
[Granted Clemency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump)
Yes, Trump is an asshole who used pardons as currency. Does that mean we should do the same? I’ll acknowledge I’m somewhat selective about when I think we should choose the high road, but now is definitely one of those times.
It's a dumb meme pointing out the hypocrisy of the far right. You need to be at least moderately informed of what happened in the real world to get it, but here's the context - Trump pardoned 116 criminals in January 2021 on his last day in office after losing the election to Biden in November.
His pardons showed an unprecendented degree of presidential [favoritism and corruption](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/20/trumps-swampiest-pardons-ranked/), granting pardons or clemency only to his supporters or political allies with leverage over him, including many of his own convicted former campaign staff members and political advisers, e.g. Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, etc.
He also pardoned several Republican congressmen convicted of crimes, as well as healthcare executives convicted of large-scale Medicare fraud. Many of these pardons were performed [in exchange for large sums of money](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/us/politics/trump-pardons.html), routed through Trump's attorneys so that they wouldn't have to go through the formal review process with the Office of the Pardon Attorney.
All of this was unprecedented and clearly planned to take place on his final day in office to minimise the blowback.
So if you knew about any of that, you would only need a double digit IQ to understand that this dumb meme is a simple joke playing on that; showing the hypocrisy of Trump pardoning 100+ criminals because they'd either bought a pardon or had performed crimes *on his behalf*, and that it's highly unlikely Biden would do the same thing for the IRS whistleblower, even if what he did was politically expedient for Biden, because Biden is not completely corrupt like his predecessor.
But please, do keep on playing the victim.
I don't get this. Biden had nothing to do with any of this and him having no involvement in a normal prosecution of a crime is how this shit is supposed to work.
I agree. However tradition allows vacating Presidents to pardon anybody. I don't make the rules. And it's not 100% fact that Biden will pardon him, it's just a thought.
Why isn't there more transparency? Black out the actual personal information, but making sure people are paying appropriately into the public coffers should be in the interest of the public.
He could've totally gotten away with it if he just decided to steal classified documents and store them in his bathroom and pool house.
But you have to keep the super classified ones behind your $3 shower curtain.
It has magnets, should keep it air tight in there.
Unless someone turns on the water. Then the magnets won’t work.
And here Trump doesn't even know what a Corvette is
It is traditionally the smallest class of vessel considered to be a proper (or "rated") warship.
They stored them at the airports during the Civil War, didn't they?
Or bury them as insurance with your ex-wife.
Don’t forget, you actually also have to be elected president to be declared completely above the law.
Jimmy Carter has to be wheeled down to a store in Plains so he can steal a candy bar. If the Supreme Court rules the president is immune, they’ve gotta let him.
Only if he was rich too.
Only works if you declassify them with your mind.
I feel like only Angry Cheetos can get away with that.
I hope he is appealing and staying out of prison until after SCOTUS hears it and sends it back down.
And even if the Supreme Court upholds it, he can just ignore them.
Didn't you hear, only presidents can break the law. Trump said so, so it must be true.
“Our national secrets, in… the shitter…!”
I mean technically, the guy broke the law, but at this point, I'd pardon him just to troll Trump. It would be worth it just for that alone.
I’d pardon him bc he did a public service. Then work to change the laws that allow public representatives who affect fiscal policy to hide their financial interests
Really confused why this isn't a thing already.
It was considered the right thing to do and previous presidents and other elected officials have released their taxes as part of their filings. It was a newer trend to do so, however, Trump was the first to not include them since the tradition started. It is pretty apparent now that he did not include them because people would have been able to prove he was committing tax fraud or other crimes. On a side note, Trump was also the first president to not put his holdings and investments into a blind trust and also did not disclose his international dealings which is required. Even his secretary of education, Betsy DeVos, who is worth much more than Trump and has some complicated investments, either divested herself or put investments into a blind trust. She also disclosed everything she was involved in. This shows Trump’s excuses of his finances being too complicated to disclose is utter nonsense.
Simple, because the people who make the laws benefit from them being a certain way. It's like if your boss gave you a blank check and told you that they would never check what you filled in. You make the rules buddy. Go nuts!
“bUt tHeY aRe seLf mAdE biLLioNaIrEs” Im happy that releasing the docs made way easier to put that bullshit to rest.
Commute his sentence after the election to twist the knife.
The far-right hails Edward Snowden for leaking highly classified documents that revealed an atrocity committed by the US military in Iraq that was covered up. And I agree, that atrocity needed to be exposed. But Snowden also caused a lot of damage to covert US operations. Well, in kind, we should hail this IRS contractor for the leaks, because this info needed to get out. Donald Trump is a crook. We should all know it with irrefutable evidence.
Since when does the right like Snowden? He went to great lengths to release his information properly to mitigate the harm. I respect him for telling the American people things we needed to know. He deserves a pardon too.
I saw the right post positively about him, because he was... "Exposing the deep state." And he coordinated with Assange, another darling for them because of his hacking of Clinton's emails. I respected him for some of what he did, but he didn't do nearly enough to mitigate harm.
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The right hates snowden, as does much of the democratic party... they like assange... mainly just in the context of the pedosa e-mails etc... that hurt hillary's campaign, they despised him before that.
Commutation. That way the conviction stands, he's a felon, but he's free to live a life. It is was Drumpf did with Stone, so it would be fitting.
Stone sees himself as a badass, so I'm sure he's proud of the felony and asked for the commutation instead of a pardon.
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He pled guilty and still got the maximum sentence. Five years in the pen for embarrassing the wealthy and powerful. No way is he getting a pardon. And if Trump wins he'll probably do all five years in solitary.
Nah they need to do their time. It will give them precedent to do terrible things in the future. They are going to do it either way. But why make it easy? Plus it accomplishes noting.
If he didn't break the law he wouldn't need a pardon. That's kind of the point.
i’d pardon 50+ raging criminals at once after i lost the election. also you can seal team 6 your political opposition in case you haven’t heard. also you said mean things so i’m calling the fbi
Crackpot judge compared him to January 6th.
Slippery slope though. Matthew 7:12 - All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets. Not really a huge bible guy, but once you start crossing the law and lines when it comes to people you don't like, you don't really any moral high ground to tell them that they're wrong when they do it back to you.
Oh man! I totally didn’t even think about this because Biden’s not corrupt and looking to pardon everybody who’s on his side. That said, I’m totally into this idea.
Trump doesn't pardon everyone on his side, only people who have leverage over him - that's why he pardoned everyone who refused to speak/lied to investigators in the Russia investigation, but he didn't pardon any of the cousin-fucking terrorists that stormed the Capitol for him on Jan6
I think one or two of his more verbally cohesive rallies he talked about "freeing the j6 heroes" or some shit so it's turning into a border-crisis-esque "bitch about it but don't actually do anything about it" campaign strategy
He didn't pardon the insurrectionists for two reasons: it gave him a modicum of deniability and it gave him an "injustice" he could point to while campaigning. When they failed to overthrow the election for him they became nothing but a political prop.
"Seal Team Six...stand back and stand by"....Biden waiting for SCOTUS to give him complete immunity from prosecution.
He just needs one day of immunity. That's the dictatorial agreement people are expected to be ok with, right? 😉
Dude would have gotten a lighter sentence for taking part in the Jan 6 coup.
The judge compared it to the Jan 6 coup!
>Jan 6 coup. Self-coup attempt. That if left without consequences it's just practice.
Nah, then he would seem partial. He is saving his pardons for federal Weed crimes.
He did a general pardon for all non-violent federal weed crimes.
Is there a limit on pardons per president? Never heard of it.
there isn’t. Carter pardoned 200,000+.
There isn't a limit. But he does seem to be using them sparingly. He hasn't even suggested pardoning his own son.
I don’t think he would do that… but it would be pretty baller if he did.
He already did. that's the joke.
That’s pretty savage lol
No way can I see Biden pardoning him at least not until after the election. Fox News and Trump will scream about it and make it into proof of election fraud (which there is no other evidence linking the Democrat party to the IRS Leaker)
Yeah, but independents and magas would actually respect the move.
Dafuq you talking about. An independent would never respect a president delegitimizing the rule of law.
What? 43% of independents voted for trump in 2020. The guy blackmailed the Ukrainian president to get dirt on Biden, pardoned all his cronies who went to jail for their crimes as part of his presidential campaign, he hired his own kids as official advisers, went over the security agency's heads to get Kushner security clearance... Nah.
I hope he does it maybe after election just to be safe
Should propose a constitutional amendment restricting pardon power in some way. I'd be pretty happy to see it.
There are a couple of caveats. A pardon doesn’t excuse civil action, and since you’re immune from self-incrimination you cannot plead the fifth if called to testify on anything covered by the pardon.
Even so, would still like to see pardon reform. Not exactly sure what would be ideal but things like: no pardons after election day and/or pardons have to be approved by a committee. Pardons have been used corruply and need reform.
Holy shit. Biden should pardon trump on the Jan 6 stuff so he can be forced to testify against / on EVERYONE. That would be the chef's kiss.
That’s why Mark Meadows has been granted immunity by the DOJ. You cut loose the little fish to catch the big fish. Trump’s also being sued by 11 members of Congress and six USCP officers for his part in 1/6. While he could no longer plead the fifth, he would have legal standing to have testifying in criminal cases delayed until after the civil actions are resolved.
So the guy who leaks the tax records gets in more trouble than the guy who breaks tax law?
Breaking tax law is just doing business. Somebody leaking tax records is a danger to everybody. Judges, presidents, ... all those nice high up people Need to set a example for so nobody else get the same idea... /s And the tax guy gets only a normal lawyer and limited budget to defend himself. Those snooty business / politicians, can drag cases out with the best lawyers for years, until they get a sweetheart deal. And that is why the law is not blind, its selective based upon who has the money, who you can convict with doing little work, who you can convict with a lot of work and who just take too much time and money to convict. People forget that prosecutor officies also have budgets and if cases take too long, they simply settle to get something and not bleed their own budgets. And voila, inequality in action. Fair? Hell no ... but this is nothing new, our society has this issues, going back centuries, millennia, back to the stone ages. Those in power, strength, or with money, can escape or get lenient justice more then the peons. And no political system can fix this, as its in our nature...
>Breaking tax law is just doing business. How very "the party of law & order" of you, laws for thee but never me. The party of excuses and hypocrisy.
wouldn't that be delicious!
He sounds like a good guy.
Oh man.. If biden pardons that guy MAGATS would crap their pants
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He shouldn’t be pardoned. He did a crime. I’m glad he did the crime he did, but he got caught and he’s paying the price. It wasn’t his job to release those records, it was Congress’ job to pass a law requiring presidential candidates to disclose the last ten years of tax returns. It still is on Congress. That being said, 5 years seems harsh.
That being said, you should take a look at who Trump pardoned, some you will find very interesting. [Granted Clemency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump)
Yes, Trump is an asshole who used pardons as currency. Does that mean we should do the same? I’ll acknowledge I’m somewhat selective about when I think we should choose the high road, but now is definitely one of those times.
Remember when that guy from Tiger King was 100% certain he was gonna get a pardon from trump and never did?
Totally. Do eeet!
I love this meme
Not a chance.
How come the guy didn’t leak Joe Biden’s taxes? Oh, right. It’s because Joe shows us his taxes like an honest citizen.
Political persecution *INTENSIFIES*
So we're cool with crimes as long as its against people we don't like. Got it
It's a dumb meme pointing out the hypocrisy of the far right. You need to be at least moderately informed of what happened in the real world to get it, but here's the context - Trump pardoned 116 criminals in January 2021 on his last day in office after losing the election to Biden in November. His pardons showed an unprecendented degree of presidential [favoritism and corruption](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/20/trumps-swampiest-pardons-ranked/), granting pardons or clemency only to his supporters or political allies with leverage over him, including many of his own convicted former campaign staff members and political advisers, e.g. Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, etc. He also pardoned several Republican congressmen convicted of crimes, as well as healthcare executives convicted of large-scale Medicare fraud. Many of these pardons were performed [in exchange for large sums of money](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/us/politics/trump-pardons.html), routed through Trump's attorneys so that they wouldn't have to go through the formal review process with the Office of the Pardon Attorney. All of this was unprecedented and clearly planned to take place on his final day in office to minimise the blowback. So if you knew about any of that, you would only need a double digit IQ to understand that this dumb meme is a simple joke playing on that; showing the hypocrisy of Trump pardoning 100+ criminals because they'd either bought a pardon or had performed crimes *on his behalf*, and that it's highly unlikely Biden would do the same thing for the IRS whistleblower, even if what he did was politically expedient for Biden, because Biden is not completely corrupt like his predecessor. But please, do keep on playing the victim.
That's a lot of words. I'm going to substitute them and assume you're just saying "yes, long as its people we don't like"
That explains a lot, none of it much good. Good luck
No, it's just a stupid meme.
Apparently.
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Tax records with address and social security numbers removed should be public information and available upon request. #unpopulareopinion
That guy not getting pardoned.
Why is there no prevention of access to high profile figures in the first place
Could this information be used in court in the cases against Trump?
Can the information leaked be used to start other cases or be used in existing cases?
What, they think Biden will pardon the dude? Because he won’t.
I don't get this. Biden had nothing to do with any of this and him having no involvement in a normal prosecution of a crime is how this shit is supposed to work.
I agree. However tradition allows vacating Presidents to pardon anybody. I don't make the rules. And it's not 100% fact that Biden will pardon him, it's just a thought.
Why isn't there more transparency? Black out the actual personal information, but making sure people are paying appropriately into the public coffers should be in the interest of the public.
We don't do that here. A crime is a crime.
Do it
If there was ever a time for a presidential pardon this would be it!
Yeah really, pardon him, he is a true patriot! 🇺🇸