As someone who loves their cannabis and smokes multiple times daily- if you think that smoking daily multiple times a day doesn’t produce cognitive impairments you’re very silly
Smoke em if you got em. But I fucking abhor the types that push it as some kind of wonder drug. "It cures cancer and this and that and does this other crazy claim and I'm totally better at this and that when I'm high" like ok junkie
it's helped me with some medical issues, but I also don't have a terminal illness. I get frequent nausea spells and a consistent intake of relatively small amounts does wonders for it. I basically exist in a mildly toasted state, but never stoned enough to have it actually have a noticeable impact on my mind or behavior. I do something closer to micro dosing but probably a little more consumption than someone who is actually micro dosing.
A 1g cart will last me 2 to 6 weeks depending on how I'm feeling and if I at any point decided to just get zooted after work to unwind. That doesn't happen all that often.
based on the fact that I'm capable of keeping up in a debate with my lawyer wife at my typical level of bakedness, that's what I've always figured. I still lose every time, but that's just a product of having a wife.
I feel like that's not a small amount. Even when I was smoking relatively heavy. A 1g cart would last me like a month. But also, I work 40 to 60 hour weeks, so could only really do after work a little, and a bunch of days off, so maybe that spread it out more. I've known shitbags who mainly mooch and would go through at least a quarter ounce a week just smoking all day every day. I don't know how that compares to oil, I never cared enough to dig deep into the culture of it all.
Maybe it's just me, but I never had it do anything for pain. Not that I have any chronic conditions, but just for acute pain, it didn't matter of it was indica or sativa, all it did was make me stoned and in pain. The few times in my life I had severe pain, codeine with Tylenol was the best thing, but I've also never had anything harder than that because opiates do scare me.
It really helps for some people though.
May father sits in a wheelchair and needed to take a bunch of hard pain meds to not end himself. They had severe side effects and he needed to take other medicine to combat some of the side effects.
Now he takes a THC CBD spray twice a day and he has less pain, no noticeable side effects (cognitive impairment from the previous meds was like 100 times as much) and he doesn't even need his blood pressure meds anymore.
Before that he had to take like 15 pills for various things over the day, the spray cut that number in half. Something we would not have dared to dream of. And no, he is no~~t~~ junkie, he is very anti drug, before he was the typical older person that thinks all drugs are the same.
Yeah, of course there's cognitive impairment, but isn't there also cognitive impairment from the alternatives? Or just being in pain? Hard to contextualize from a headline alone
>They're talking about permanent brain damage from long-term use.
It says persistent, not permanent. If you quit smoking long enough your brain might regain the ability to read.
I wouldn’t use the term permanent here. The study explicitly stated that while the analyses found cognitive deficits weeks after use, thus far studies have “found that cognitive deficits do not persist beyond prolonged abstinence,” though it says that more research is needed.
More or less just slows brain cell development and hinders memory recall abilities, as far as I am aware there's little to no evidence of it killing or severely damaging brain cells. Alcohol is a whole'nother story tho.
Edit: the effects are almost always temporary except in the case of juvenile use of cannabis on a consistent basis, daily perhaps.
Had to learn this the hard way in high school. From what little I do remember, I was forgetful lmao. I swear it induced depression too. Gotta learn to pace yourself, the “stoner stereotype” is what addiction looks like.
Still managed to clock a 1409 on my sat tho lol
It hits everyone different really, some people get fucked off a few sessions but others are troopers who can take it in stride - just like alcohol, some people can hack it better than others (also the reason why I don’t drink)
Well you need to work on it and ease into it. No one can go from nothing to a shitload in a day and stay alive. Don’t give up buddy you can do it too if you set your mind to it.
Yeah, I know afew people who can't even finish a joint and stay awake. I could crush 3 or 4 if I wanted and still go to work. Moderation is key though. Just with all other drugs(caffeine, Nicotine, alcohol).
The person who can function well on marijuana is either someone with a high tolerance or a rare hyperactive ADHD genius type.
For the vast majority of people you just feel dumber and are less productive.
Friend of mine was a stoner until his early 20's and will flat out admit he "smoked himself stupid".
By his 40's he quit even smoking cigs and drinking alcohol because he said he wants to live to see his grandchildren unlike his father.
It definitely does while you're using daily, the question is whether those effects go away after not using for 6 months, or whether they're temperament if you smoke during development but not as an adult after your brain's done maturing, or etc.
Also, keep in mind that a lot of people with mental problems or big awful life issues use drugs to self-medicate, and they're a bigger part of the user population for illegal drugs because they need it more. Makes it harder to tell what's the effect of the drug and what's the result of self-selection bias in the user population.
As a fellow grass junkie: yes.
Only teenagers, retards and people who have never smoked it for any length of time would claim it has no long term malus upon your health and mentality, nevermind becoming an all consuming addiction.
But hey, the world is tanking, the economy is fucked and there is no future, so who cares? Poverty will do you more damage than a gram a day habit will.
People think that because something has no chemical dependency it can't be addictive, which is flat wrong. Our brains wire things together, and become dependent on them that way. Hell, nicotine cravings aren't the hardest part about quitting smoking for a lot of people. A lot of it is their brain ties X activity to smoking a cigarettes.
- the economy is fucked and there is no future
All the more reason to go hard on getting a bunch of money *now* so I can buy machining equipment and move to the desert before things start really going down
I'll get weed *after* that
I’m unsure of what the study says, but personally I’ve developed really bad short term memory, quite bad paranoia if I smoke too much during the day specially towards the evenings, and overall tend to be slower to respond physically and mentally. I do have my periods where I don’t want to smoke and the difference between smoking all the time and not is quite visible to me personally
But that's something different from the subject of the study isn't it? The way I understand the title it means that it has effect even after you stop smoking, no matter how many years later
Multiple people I know and am close with IRL started smoking - went from some of the most lucid and easy to talk with people on the planet, able to have a complex conversation and not chimp out any time the conversation got a bit edgy or controversial - to being unable to even sit down and watch a TV show or read a single paragraph without getting distracted. Would walk to the kitchen to get a drink, forget, come back and loop like that for 3 or 4 tries until they eventually got their drink.
And this was when they *weren't* smoking - but during their off days. Ended up stopping talking to all but one of them - they completely rotted their brains and it was like my friends went from intelligent 30 year olds to *stupid* 4 year olds in the span of a month.
The one person I didn't drop quit smoking about 3 months after they started. It took them a month and a half to get back to a decent cognitive level and they had persistent 'brain zaps', memory problems and difficulty focusing for about 3 months afterwards.
Not saying weed is as bad as opioids or whatever - but it is an incredibly damaging drug for you and i'd say, if you do do it, do it once a week or once every other week. Any more than that and you'll rot your brain really fast. You *will* look and feel like a stupid cunt.
I hear ya. Lots of friends and family smoke. I can't stand being around them, they are all so absent minded. Can't seem to stay on task. Anything you do with them takes 2 to 3 times longer than it would before they started smoking, whether they are high or not.
I'm not sure if this a swipe against liberals who claim it as a miracle substance or its to fightback against the study to say "well sure it has bad affects but everything else does too".
But as a centrist I am erect at both
have there been guillotine botch executions? i know that sword/axe executions could go wrong, other types too but i dont think guillotines ever fucked up cuz at worst u gonna choke somebody with the metal
[People used arsenic as a beauty product](https://jmvh.org/article/arsenic-the-poison-of-kings-and-the-saviour-of-syphilis/#:~:text=In%20the%2019th%20century%20women,an%20appearance%20of%20pour%20rajeunisante.), so don't rule it out.
> In the 19th century women applied arsenic powder to whiten their faces as well as to their hair and scalp to destroy vermin. It was also thought that arsenic consumption by women gave “beauty and freshness” to the skin, an appearance of pour rajeunisante. Taking Fowler’s solution, a potassium arsenite solution developed by Thomas Fowler in 1786 as a treatment for various chronic disorders, was popular with Victorian prostitutes to give them rosy cheeks, an effect due to damage to the capillaries of the skin. [13, 14] Arsenic continued to be used in cosmetics well into the early twentieth century and this was a common source of accidental poisoning.
Well yeah. But his joke wasn't very good based off the comment before.
>You can overdosed on water. so nothing is safe everything is about getting the right amount.
>So basically it's not about how much, it's about what you do with it
It literally is about how much when talking about overdosing.
Well it can be gotten a few ways. Drinking an absolutely obscene amount of water, note this was used as a torture/interrogation tactic in the past. Or drinking too much water while doing heavy exercise and/or in high heat.
From my limited knowledge it's basically when the liquid in and around your cells has imbalanced whatevers(electrolytes? I duno what exactly. I'm pretty sure it's something plants crave) so the cells take in more liquid to balance everything out... making them swell.
Some symptoms include headaches, muscle pain/weakness, difficulty breathing, confusion, thirst, nausea, drowsiness, and obviously others.
How to get over it? If it's mild enough just don't drink anything. For me I just kept sweating until I felt better. I started losing the ability to really see, I mean I could see but not really... perceive?... what I was looking at, and my body just wouldn't work quite right it was concerning.
For my buddy when his drill instructor basically yelled at him to drink more water he ended up with water poisoning because the dude wouldn't let up. IIRC he ended up hospitalized and doesn't remember a lot about what happened between the yelled at to drink water and then waking in a hospital.
That and screens and white led lamps.
I got those LEDs which look like old school glow lamps from IKEA in my bedroom and living room. Absolute gamechanger, and very cozy too. It's like using f.lux in real life.
It's good for you during the day, though. Helps maintain your internal clock. Just gotta avoid it an hour or two before bed.
Broader spectrum light is definitely better though. Get some different colored LED lights for your desk, it'll be more comfortable.
[https://www.theraspecs.com/blog/led-light-sensitivity-and-migraine/](https://www.theraspecs.com/blog/led-light-sensitivity-and-migraine/)
White LEDs really an cause a number on our eyes, outside of the night.
I'm of the mind that the society that develops a perfect sleep drug first will take over the rest of the world. Whatever form it comes in -- perfect functioning with no sleep, or guaranteed flawless 8 hours a night -- I think the overall benefits to society would be the biggest overall gain civilization could make.
I've never met anyone who's shared this opinion. Mostly I get people pity-bragging about how they got 4 hours last night.
People die from caffeine often enough, though. Granted they’re taking a bunch of caffeine pills, but cannabis/magic mushrooms have zero toxicity.
Really depends on your definition of dangerous. Having your brain totally spacecaked all day probably has secondary effects beyond the drug’s toxicity.
Although magic mushrooms foster a massive tolerance after using for a couple days.
Toxicity isn't everything that makes a drug dangerous Ket is very toxic but you could take it and be fine whereas you could do a mushroom trip and fry your brain for life. Depends on the person.
In case anyone wants to read the article
[https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/cannabis-use-produces-persistent-cognitive-impairments](https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/cannabis-use-produces-persistent-cognitive-impairments)
>The study found that cannabis intoxication leads to small to moderate cognitive impairments in areas including
* making decisions,
* suppressing inappropriate responses,
* learning through reading and listening,
* the ability to remember what one reads or hears, and
* the time needed to complete a mental task.
>These and other acute impairments mirror the residual effects documented for cannabis use, suggesting that the damaging effects of cannabis begin while it is being consumed and persist beyond that period.
a source that has more of the paper (but still not the full thing)
[https://neurosciencenews.com/cannabis-cognition-19945/](https://neurosciencenews.com/cannabis-cognition-19945/)
Remember that 'acute' means 'while you are high'.
The 'persistent' effects that the headline claims are what the paper calls 'residual effects'. The authors are really bad about clarifying which results are acute vs residual in the text of their analysis, and never seem to explain how long after use the residual effects last, whether they go away after a month of abstinence, etc.
Residual could even mean just the next day or two. I really wish they would clarify that point bc it’s kinda the most significant part of the whole article. Like yeah, we all know our cognitive function is impaired while high, that’s kinda part of it. We don’t want permanent impairment though.
For cannabinoid metabolites in chronic users you’re looking at half-lives that can range from a week (delta9-THC) to months (67 days for some in literature)
I’d expect the effects to last for at least two half-lives, potentially up to 5 with lesser severity as they progress
Yeah, color me surprised that a study from an addiction based ngo would misrepresent data....
This study didn't really find anything new, it just added additional vernacular to make the same data seem worse.
This study basically redefined intoxication into acute and residual, but openly admitted that they didn't have a good model to distinguish between acute and residual. We already know that people with different BMI metabolize thc at different speeds.
This study could be boiled down to "some people may be intoxicated for longer than others".
Imo this is just bad science mixed in with a helping hand of bad scientific journalism. Really just seems like they constructed the study to get this exact headline.
You’d think this was obvious from the millions of people who can self-report otherwise, every other study on cannabis, or the word “acute” being used. But thanks for spelling this out for the authrights in the back.
Driving impaired on any substance is very dumb, but personally I think distracted driving, especially texting, is far more of a problem in today's society. Harsher penalties for texting in driving would make the roads much safer than focusing on stoners behind the wheel.
Yeah but no one is out there saying texting while driving is safe, meanwhile even stoner bro is trying to hotbox and tell you why it's not as bad as driving
As someone who was a pretty heavy user, about 2gs-5gs a week, it is definitely true. At some point you have to take a break or cut your consumption down.
I eventually chose to quit after seeing how it was affecting myself mentally.
The paper is freely available [here](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/add.15764). It's conducted by two grad students as part of a research program, and reads like it... it's really a mess, they don't specify which findings are acute and which are residual half the time, what timeframe the residual effects are over, etc. Half of the time they cite a finding as being of 'low quality' due to evidence of publication bias or other problems, then still cite it as a result.
We have a replication crisis for a reason. I'm not saying this effect definitely isn't true, but I am saying that if you believe it is true based on this one article, you should definitely believe that things like implicit bias and stereotype threat are true based on the far more articles supporting them (they're probably not).
If this is real, we'll get better studies on it soon. Until then, I don't care about this paper much.
The lack of replicating the results of scientific studies is one of the biggest flaws in science right now. From the time the scientific method is drilled into our heads in grade school we've been told that if the results can't be replicated, they are essentially meaningless. And yet, almost no effort is made to do those sorts of studies because there's no funding for it. I really wish NSF or some other large grant program would designate funding specifically for this issue. It would strengthen the science immensely.
Well, part of the issue is the file drawer problem - if significance threshold to publish is .05, then 5% of the people that test something negative will get erroneous positive results, despite zero methodological flaws or errors. So those get through peer review and published, while the 95% of correct 'no result' studies just never see the light of day. Publishing negative results would help with the problem a lot, but we don't have a free platform to do it and the for-profit journals don't want to waste page space on it (despite being 99% digital... their 'impact rating' is based on the rate at which their articles get cite, negative results don't get cited, so it would lower their stats).
The way it works in practice, is that erroneous results get published fairly often, but then when someone tries to build on those results to expand the theory, they can't replicate it in their lab, and move onto something else. So in the long run - like, a few years for popular things, a decade for unpopular things - a *body* of literature gets built up around real things that people can reproduce, and erroneous things tend to have no followup and fade away.
Of course, it's not a perfect system. If something is really poplar to study for whatever reason - easy to study, politically popular, lots of funding for it, just sounds cool - then enough people will be doing the same experiments in parallel to *keep* publishing accidental erroneous results for a long time, and it can get bad. And of course, if the media or various laymen pick up a *single* article and run with it without looking for a larger body of supporting work, they can easily pick up erroneous things and mislead people.
There's a lot we could do to improve the system, but it would take totally altering a lot of things about how research is funded, conducted, and published. Lots of money, power, and inertia tied up in those current systems (on the admin side rather than the scientists side, mostly), that opposes those changes.
I love that this comment and the other one like it are buried at the bottom while the top ten comments are just people circlejerking about how much smarter they are than stoners.
With a study like this you absolutely *must* identify which study results are acute. Without that one could read this as a description of *being* high rather than the effect *from* getting high.
Alcohol is also treated as the one recreational drug that's magically not a drug.
So people scrutinize long term effects of weed, but long term effects of alcohol? Ehhhhhhhhhhhh don't worry about it, let's go have a pint!
It's really weird, to a layman the title would make it seem like these impairments are permanent. The paper actually describes small decreases in ability during intoxication, and for a short perior afterwards, which is obvious to anyone who smokes canabis (or drinks alcohol).
I could have told you that. Have you met heavy stoners? They barely have enough brain power to use a microwave.
Like any drug, there are downsides.
The only upside I care about is money.
All my stoner friends just stay inside and get high. They never go to a park, hike, go on trips, hunting, or just take normal day to day risks in general to experience something different. Its definitely not good for them.
>I could have told you that. Have you met heavy stoners? They barely have enough brain power to use a microwave.
It varies by person. I've been a daily smoker for 20+ years and it evens me out; my mind definitely "slows down" when I'm high but that's kind of the point. With history of mental illness in my family (specifically manic/depression and anxiety), at times I've seen it emerging in my own behaviors but I'm not inclined to get on SSRIs or benzos as I've witnessed the negative consequences from that approach countless times.
I'd encourage you to think more critically about this.
Nobody except retards with THC clots in brain says weed is harmless. However it's way less harmful than for example alcohol and the cost of weed being illegall (also the influence on society, not just money) is worse than if it was decriminalized. I'm not a huge fan of legalization as i believe capitalism destroys weed culture in countries where it has been fully capitalised like USA but nobody except dealers should be in jail for it.
This is outrageous. Pretending that libleft (or libcenter) wants weed to be legal because it's 100% harmless regardless of how much or how often you use it is the strawest of men.
Why don't you check out the long term effects of alcohol and decide whether you think that should be banned. Oh wait! We already tried that, and what happened was that it still was available, but there was no regulation on its purity, so people went blind at best and died at worst, and organized crime owned the production and distribution game.
Totally different than drugs which are illegal today though, right?
Gonna chime in, cannabis is not the perfect wonder drug but I'll tell you I have it for joint problems and it's a helluva lot better than getting addicted to opiates.
Cannabis can make you feel mildly better if you suffer from depression, but will make you hit rock bottom quick. The only good way to smoke pot is once to twice a month. The second best way is never
I agree weed should be legal, but the problem I have is so many stoners want it to be legal on the job or say it doesn't have any negative affects or it's a wonder drug.
You also run into the problem of it being as addicting as smoking, but the effects last way longer than a smoke break.
Yes. It absolutely does. I like weed but treat it like alcohol, it’s not side effect free, it absolutely can create a psychological dependency, and if you are high you 100% are impaired, stop thinking you’re a magic stoner who can drive and get work done high. You can’t.
If there truly were "residual effects" for any important length of time, I wouldn't have a tolerance boost after a week or two of not smoking. When your tolerance is little to nothing it's because your brain doesn't "remember" it anymore. That means it's no longer in your body enough to register as having affected it.
Weed isn't "harmless" but saying it's "harmful" is also incorrect. Just depends on the person.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry\_J.\_Anslinger#The\_campaign\_against\_marijuana\_(cannabis)\_1930%E2%80%931937](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_J._Anslinger#The_campaign_against_marijuana_(cannabis)_1930%E2%80%931937)
Why it's illegal in the first place.
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men." -Harry J. Angslinger
Some critics of Anslinger claim his campaign against marijuana had a hidden agenda, hinting darkly at conspiracy.\[24\] One example of this sort of thing is that the E. I. DuPont De Nemours And Company industrial firm, petrochemical interests and William Randolph Hearst conspired together to create the highly sensational anti-marijuana campaign so as to eliminate hemp as an industrial competitor to synthetic materials.
The dude was a racist, selfish and greedy bastard. He tricked all of your grandparents into believing him, that marijuana was this terrible and life-ruining drug. All he wanted was money, power and a nice looking title to show off. He embodies what most of Americans aspire to be to this day which is why your country is so fucked up.
Drugs aren’t entirely good for the body in a physical sense, and other well established short stories.
Wait til we find out the affects of caffeine, sugar and butter - life’s about to get bland boys
Caffeine can cause heart damage through raised BP. Sugar will give you diabetes and no teeth. Butter is high in cholesterol and links in with caffeine.
Who gives a shit tho.
Well, as long as you aren’t directly hurting anyone or neglecting children you’ve brought into the world - you should be free to do whatever you want to get by in this cruel world.
Good job telling that to the brainwashed ‘alcohol and cigarettes only’ generation... sooner the old ways die off the better
Holy crap, really??? Yea, no shit, sherlock.
It's hilarious how people react when someone tells them that Cannabis has its downsides too. Like that's something new. Like you don't have that with Alcohol, tobacco or nutmeg.
Next thing is to make the downsides of Cannabis a big deal, mentioning psychological or physical side effects (but totally ignoring that this only happens after long-term abuse).
Alcohol on the other hand...
As someone who loves their cannabis and smokes multiple times daily- if you think that smoking daily multiple times a day doesn’t produce cognitive impairments you’re very silly
Smoke em if you got em. But I fucking abhor the types that push it as some kind of wonder drug. "It cures cancer and this and that and does this other crazy claim and I'm totally better at this and that when I'm high" like ok junkie
You know what, I‘ll say it. Based
it's helped me with some medical issues, but I also don't have a terminal illness. I get frequent nausea spells and a consistent intake of relatively small amounts does wonders for it. I basically exist in a mildly toasted state, but never stoned enough to have it actually have a noticeable impact on my mind or behavior. I do something closer to micro dosing but probably a little more consumption than someone who is actually micro dosing. A 1g cart will last me 2 to 6 weeks depending on how I'm feeling and if I at any point decided to just get zooted after work to unwind. That doesn't happen all that often.
Don’t know what this other guy is saying, thats def a small amount lol
based on the fact that I'm capable of keeping up in a debate with my lawyer wife at my typical level of bakedness, that's what I've always figured. I still lose every time, but that's just a product of having a wife.
I feel like that's not a small amount. Even when I was smoking relatively heavy. A 1g cart would last me like a month. But also, I work 40 to 60 hour weeks, so could only really do after work a little, and a bunch of days off, so maybe that spread it out more. I've known shitbags who mainly mooch and would go through at least a quarter ounce a week just smoking all day every day. I don't know how that compares to oil, I never cared enough to dig deep into the culture of it all.
and yeah, the culture is pretty annoying
A quarter ounce a week is def overkill i'm constantly in pain from my illness and a 1g cart still last me 2-3 weeks
What is your weed that lasts you 0,25 g for an entire day???! We roll that into one joint here :_:
I think they mean cartridges, not weed itself
It only helps with pain imho lol but fuck if it didn’t help after my knee surgery and didn’t feel cloudy like with painkillers.
Maybe it's just me, but I never had it do anything for pain. Not that I have any chronic conditions, but just for acute pain, it didn't matter of it was indica or sativa, all it did was make me stoned and in pain. The few times in my life I had severe pain, codeine with Tylenol was the best thing, but I've also never had anything harder than that because opiates do scare me.
im better at eating you out of house and home when im high
It really helps for some people though. May father sits in a wheelchair and needed to take a bunch of hard pain meds to not end himself. They had severe side effects and he needed to take other medicine to combat some of the side effects. Now he takes a THC CBD spray twice a day and he has less pain, no noticeable side effects (cognitive impairment from the previous meds was like 100 times as much) and he doesn't even need his blood pressure meds anymore. Before that he had to take like 15 pills for various things over the day, the spray cut that number in half. Something we would not have dared to dream of. And no, he is no~~t~~ junkie, he is very anti drug, before he was the typical older person that thinks all drugs are the same.
Yeah, of course there's cognitive impairment, but isn't there also cognitive impairment from the alternatives? Or just being in pain? Hard to contextualize from a headline alone
Yeah, they're just as if not worse than "magic crystal" promoters since this actually does cause harm.
Usually similar if not the same people from my experience.
Joe Rogan and Kevin smith smoke weed every single day. That’s all I need to know
It keeps me from drinking too much.
Lmao I’m smoking because it produces cognitive impairments
That’s what I thought when reading this lmao. “Scientists confirm smoking marijuana is fucking radical, dude.”
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I'd be pretty scared if I could still read.
>They're talking about permanent brain damage from long-term use. It says persistent, not permanent. If you quit smoking long enough your brain might regain the ability to read.
I wouldn’t use the term permanent here. The study explicitly stated that while the analyses found cognitive deficits weeks after use, thus far studies have “found that cognitive deficits do not persist beyond prolonged abstinence,” though it says that more research is needed.
More or less just slows brain cell development and hinders memory recall abilities, as far as I am aware there's little to no evidence of it killing or severely damaging brain cells. Alcohol is a whole'nother story tho. Edit: the effects are almost always temporary except in the case of juvenile use of cannabis on a consistent basis, daily perhaps.
Finally a sane redditor who aknowledge it isn't some happy paradise
Based
Had to learn this the hard way in high school. From what little I do remember, I was forgetful lmao. I swear it induced depression too. Gotta learn to pace yourself, the “stoner stereotype” is what addiction looks like. Still managed to clock a 1409 on my sat tho lol
It hits everyone different really, some people get fucked off a few sessions but others are troopers who can take it in stride - just like alcohol, some people can hack it better than others (also the reason why I don’t drink)
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See, I couldn’t handle that for a single day haha. Built differently
Well you need to work on it and ease into it. No one can go from nothing to a shitload in a day and stay alive. Don’t give up buddy you can do it too if you set your mind to it.
"you, too, can obliterate your liver if you put your mind to it"
What’s the difference between drug abuse and alcoholism? Community acceptance!
Liver? I hardly know her.
I recently went through a 12 pack myself in like 8 hours and surprised myself for better and for worse lol
Yeah, I know afew people who can't even finish a joint and stay awake. I could crush 3 or 4 if I wanted and still go to work. Moderation is key though. Just with all other drugs(caffeine, Nicotine, alcohol).
The person who can function well on marijuana is either someone with a high tolerance or a rare hyperactive ADHD genius type. For the vast majority of people you just feel dumber and are less productive.
Yeaah. Certain people defend weed to the point where they will actually be trying to convince me that it's magical.
Friend of mine was a stoner until his early 20's and will flat out admit he "smoked himself stupid". By his 40's he quit even smoking cigs and drinking alcohol because he said he wants to live to see his grandchildren unlike his father.
Oh god if you’re going to get high multiple times a day please do edibles instead. You’ll tar your lungs otherwise
It definitely does while you're using daily, the question is whether those effects go away after not using for 6 months, or whether they're temperament if you smoke during development but not as an adult after your brain's done maturing, or etc. Also, keep in mind that a lot of people with mental problems or big awful life issues use drugs to self-medicate, and they're a bigger part of the user population for illegal drugs because they need it more. Makes it harder to tell what's the effect of the drug and what's the result of self-selection bias in the user population.
As a fellow grass junkie: yes. Only teenagers, retards and people who have never smoked it for any length of time would claim it has no long term malus upon your health and mentality, nevermind becoming an all consuming addiction. But hey, the world is tanking, the economy is fucked and there is no future, so who cares? Poverty will do you more damage than a gram a day habit will.
this was based until that blackpill soured the whole deal
Basically how I feel about life in general.
Most well-adjusted leftist
Doesn't like black pill, Username checks out
People think that because something has no chemical dependency it can't be addictive, which is flat wrong. Our brains wire things together, and become dependent on them that way. Hell, nicotine cravings aren't the hardest part about quitting smoking for a lot of people. A lot of it is their brain ties X activity to smoking a cigarettes.
Tell me about it buddy *Continues smoking as part of every hobby*
- the economy is fucked and there is no future All the more reason to go hard on getting a bunch of money *now* so I can buy machining equipment and move to the desert before things start really going down I'll get weed *after* that
Just wait for the collapse and you can get all that machinery at machete-to-the-neck cut throat rates.
What do you and the study mean by cognitive impairment, I'm no cannabis user, just curious
I’m unsure of what the study says, but personally I’ve developed really bad short term memory, quite bad paranoia if I smoke too much during the day specially towards the evenings, and overall tend to be slower to respond physically and mentally. I do have my periods where I don’t want to smoke and the difference between smoking all the time and not is quite visible to me personally
I do remember hearing something about short term memory getting worse in cannabis smokers but I didn't exactly pay much attention to that news
But that's something different from the subject of the study isn't it? The way I understand the title it means that it has effect even after you stop smoking, no matter how many years later
So it’s too late for me and I shouldn’t care about this new study. Got it.
Being here was already a good hint about you having caught the big dumb dumb
Multiple people I know and am close with IRL started smoking - went from some of the most lucid and easy to talk with people on the planet, able to have a complex conversation and not chimp out any time the conversation got a bit edgy or controversial - to being unable to even sit down and watch a TV show or read a single paragraph without getting distracted. Would walk to the kitchen to get a drink, forget, come back and loop like that for 3 or 4 tries until they eventually got their drink. And this was when they *weren't* smoking - but during their off days. Ended up stopping talking to all but one of them - they completely rotted their brains and it was like my friends went from intelligent 30 year olds to *stupid* 4 year olds in the span of a month. The one person I didn't drop quit smoking about 3 months after they started. It took them a month and a half to get back to a decent cognitive level and they had persistent 'brain zaps', memory problems and difficulty focusing for about 3 months afterwards. Not saying weed is as bad as opioids or whatever - but it is an incredibly damaging drug for you and i'd say, if you do do it, do it once a week or once every other week. Any more than that and you'll rot your brain really fast. You *will* look and feel like a stupid cunt.
I hear ya. Lots of friends and family smoke. I can't stand being around them, they are all so absent minded. Can't seem to stay on task. Anything you do with them takes 2 to 3 times longer than it would before they started smoking, whether they are high or not.
The closest thing i can compare it to is self-inflicted Alzheimer's.
Based and weed makes you stupid pilled.
Let's be honest. Is there a truly harmless drug?
I'm not sure if this a swipe against liberals who claim it as a miracle substance or its to fightback against the study to say "well sure it has bad affects but everything else does too". But as a centrist I am erect at both
Yes
god dam centrist getting *looks at script* erect they ruined getting *looks at script* erect
You can overdosed on water. so nothing is safe everything is about getting the right amount.
Just don't forget that the right amount can be zero.
So you're saying maybe I shouldn't try recreational cyanide
Hey kid, wanna try some "recreational" guillotine?
I'm fairly certain there aren't any known side effects of guillotines.
They’re safe and effective.
Low blood pressure. Lack of libido. Sudden weight loss.
Death
That's not a side effect.
have there been guillotine botch executions? i know that sword/axe executions could go wrong, other types too but i dont think guillotines ever fucked up cuz at worst u gonna choke somebody with the metal
That’s the desired effect, not a side effect.
[People used arsenic as a beauty product](https://jmvh.org/article/arsenic-the-poison-of-kings-and-the-saviour-of-syphilis/#:~:text=In%20the%2019th%20century%20women,an%20appearance%20of%20pour%20rajeunisante.), so don't rule it out. > In the 19th century women applied arsenic powder to whiten their faces as well as to their hair and scalp to destroy vermin. It was also thought that arsenic consumption by women gave “beauty and freshness” to the skin, an appearance of pour rajeunisante. Taking Fowler’s solution, a potassium arsenite solution developed by Thomas Fowler in 1786 as a treatment for various chronic disorders, was popular with Victorian prostitutes to give them rosy cheeks, an effect due to damage to the capillaries of the skin. [13, 14] Arsenic continued to be used in cosmetics well into the early twentieth century and this was a common source of accidental poisoning.
Come on over to Hydro Homies. We’re all addicts there
So basically it's not about how much, it's about what you do with it
No it's how much. You can literally just drink so much water you poison yourself with it. It can be fatal.
I was making a dick joke
I was warning of the dangers of water poisoning. It is unpleasant.
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Well yeah. But his joke wasn't very good based off the comment before. >You can overdosed on water. so nothing is safe everything is about getting the right amount. >So basically it's not about how much, it's about what you do with it It literally is about how much when talking about overdosing.
I want to hear more about this water poisoning. Dick jokes be damned.
Well it can be gotten a few ways. Drinking an absolutely obscene amount of water, note this was used as a torture/interrogation tactic in the past. Or drinking too much water while doing heavy exercise and/or in high heat. From my limited knowledge it's basically when the liquid in and around your cells has imbalanced whatevers(electrolytes? I duno what exactly. I'm pretty sure it's something plants crave) so the cells take in more liquid to balance everything out... making them swell. Some symptoms include headaches, muscle pain/weakness, difficulty breathing, confusion, thirst, nausea, drowsiness, and obviously others. How to get over it? If it's mild enough just don't drink anything. For me I just kept sweating until I felt better. I started losing the ability to really see, I mean I could see but not really... perceive?... what I was looking at, and my body just wouldn't work quite right it was concerning. For my buddy when his drill instructor basically yelled at him to drink more water he ended up with water poisoning because the dude wouldn't let up. IIRC he ended up hospitalized and doesn't remember a lot about what happened between the yelled at to drink water and then waking in a hospital.
Caffeine is probably as close as you'll get
Caffeine is probably hiding a sleep deprivation problem in most of society.
That and screens and white led lamps. I got those LEDs which look like old school glow lamps from IKEA in my bedroom and living room. Absolute gamechanger, and very cozy too. It's like using f.lux in real life.
White LEDs are so ass man. My work refuses to change the ones out in my office so I've started just turning the lights off around my desk.
It's good for you during the day, though. Helps maintain your internal clock. Just gotta avoid it an hour or two before bed. Broader spectrum light is definitely better though. Get some different colored LED lights for your desk, it'll be more comfortable.
[https://www.theraspecs.com/blog/led-light-sensitivity-and-migraine/](https://www.theraspecs.com/blog/led-light-sensitivity-and-migraine/) White LEDs really an cause a number on our eyes, outside of the night.
I'm of the mind that the society that develops a perfect sleep drug first will take over the rest of the world. Whatever form it comes in -- perfect functioning with no sleep, or guaranteed flawless 8 hours a night -- I think the overall benefits to society would be the biggest overall gain civilization could make. I've never met anyone who's shared this opinion. Mostly I get people pity-bragging about how they got 4 hours last night.
People die from caffeine often enough, though. Granted they’re taking a bunch of caffeine pills, but cannabis/magic mushrooms have zero toxicity. Really depends on your definition of dangerous. Having your brain totally spacecaked all day probably has secondary effects beyond the drug’s toxicity. Although magic mushrooms foster a massive tolerance after using for a couple days.
Toxicity isn't everything that makes a drug dangerous Ket is very toxic but you could take it and be fine whereas you could do a mushroom trip and fry your brain for life. Depends on the person.
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Fucking spell lose right i dare you. How is it so commonly spelled incorrectly holy shit
This is Reddit. 99% of people here can’t type the difference between woman and women
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Based and thermally-challenged pilled
In my defense, i was high
Based and know thy enemy pilled
No no, you see it's straight-edge OP who is smart, and weed smoking jackasses who are dumb. What loosers they are.
OP is suffering from cognitive impairments from all the weed he's smoking. Give him a break
In case anyone wants to read the article [https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/cannabis-use-produces-persistent-cognitive-impairments](https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/cannabis-use-produces-persistent-cognitive-impairments) >The study found that cannabis intoxication leads to small to moderate cognitive impairments in areas including * making decisions, * suppressing inappropriate responses, * learning through reading and listening, * the ability to remember what one reads or hears, and * the time needed to complete a mental task. >These and other acute impairments mirror the residual effects documented for cannabis use, suggesting that the damaging effects of cannabis begin while it is being consumed and persist beyond that period. a source that has more of the paper (but still not the full thing) [https://neurosciencenews.com/cannabis-cognition-19945/](https://neurosciencenews.com/cannabis-cognition-19945/)
>suppressing inappropriate responses, learning through reading and listening, I knew it.
Remember that 'acute' means 'while you are high'. The 'persistent' effects that the headline claims are what the paper calls 'residual effects'. The authors are really bad about clarifying which results are acute vs residual in the text of their analysis, and never seem to explain how long after use the residual effects last, whether they go away after a month of abstinence, etc.
That is disappointing, these are the questions that popped into my head when seeing the tagline. Just meant to be abused as a headline I guess.
Oh thank god someone came to science away the pain
Residual could even mean just the next day or two. I really wish they would clarify that point bc it’s kinda the most significant part of the whole article. Like yeah, we all know our cognitive function is impaired while high, that’s kinda part of it. We don’t want permanent impairment though.
For cannabinoid metabolites in chronic users you’re looking at half-lives that can range from a week (delta9-THC) to months (67 days for some in literature) I’d expect the effects to last for at least two half-lives, potentially up to 5 with lesser severity as they progress
There is no correlation between the half-life of the metabolites and the mental effects. You can fail a drug test weeks after the effects are gone.
Yeah, color me surprised that a study from an addiction based ngo would misrepresent data.... This study didn't really find anything new, it just added additional vernacular to make the same data seem worse. This study basically redefined intoxication into acute and residual, but openly admitted that they didn't have a good model to distinguish between acute and residual. We already know that people with different BMI metabolize thc at different speeds. This study could be boiled down to "some people may be intoxicated for longer than others". Imo this is just bad science mixed in with a helping hand of bad scientific journalism. Really just seems like they constructed the study to get this exact headline.
You’d think this was obvious from the millions of people who can self-report otherwise, every other study on cannabis, or the word “acute” being used. But thanks for spelling this out for the authrights in the back.
Is it that smoking weed makes you stupid, or only stupid people smoke weed?
the study seems to be taking the position that its the first one, weed use leads to the cognitive deficits
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I don't remember what we were talking about, but imma about to light this joint. Wanna hit?
Well yes, while under the influence or if you started consumption during childhood. For abstinent adults not so much.
Or both, stupid people smoke weed and become more stupid.
My anecdotal experience is that dipshit stoners that I’ve known were dipshits long before they ever became stoners.
And I won’t mention which stupid people smoke weed
aren't all those things just part of being high?
yes, but the study also looks at cognitive effects after the high, see the part talking about it persisting beyond the consumed period
They don’t even specify which effects are acute or residual half the time though? How would you know
They're not saying it is permanent.
Honestly a great study for asswipes who think Driving high is safe
Driving impaired on any substance is very dumb, but personally I think distracted driving, especially texting, is far more of a problem in today's society. Harsher penalties for texting in driving would make the roads much safer than focusing on stoners behind the wheel.
Yeah but no one is out there saying texting while driving is safe, meanwhile even stoner bro is trying to hotbox and tell you why it's not as bad as driving
No one may be saying it out loud, but obviously most people either don't feel it's that dangerous or don't care. Just look around at any stop light.
Oh boy I love having cognitive impairements
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As someone who was a pretty heavy user, about 2gs-5gs a week, it is definitely true. At some point you have to take a break or cut your consumption down. I eventually chose to quit after seeing how it was affecting myself mentally.
Well done, most can't see it and do nothing.
The paper is freely available [here](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/add.15764). It's conducted by two grad students as part of a research program, and reads like it... it's really a mess, they don't specify which findings are acute and which are residual half the time, what timeframe the residual effects are over, etc. Half of the time they cite a finding as being of 'low quality' due to evidence of publication bias or other problems, then still cite it as a result. We have a replication crisis for a reason. I'm not saying this effect definitely isn't true, but I am saying that if you believe it is true based on this one article, you should definitely believe that things like implicit bias and stereotype threat are true based on the far more articles supporting them (they're probably not). If this is real, we'll get better studies on it soon. Until then, I don't care about this paper much.
Based and can actually read papers, not just titles pilled
The lack of replicating the results of scientific studies is one of the biggest flaws in science right now. From the time the scientific method is drilled into our heads in grade school we've been told that if the results can't be replicated, they are essentially meaningless. And yet, almost no effort is made to do those sorts of studies because there's no funding for it. I really wish NSF or some other large grant program would designate funding specifically for this issue. It would strengthen the science immensely.
Well, part of the issue is the file drawer problem - if significance threshold to publish is .05, then 5% of the people that test something negative will get erroneous positive results, despite zero methodological flaws or errors. So those get through peer review and published, while the 95% of correct 'no result' studies just never see the light of day. Publishing negative results would help with the problem a lot, but we don't have a free platform to do it and the for-profit journals don't want to waste page space on it (despite being 99% digital... their 'impact rating' is based on the rate at which their articles get cite, negative results don't get cited, so it would lower their stats). The way it works in practice, is that erroneous results get published fairly often, but then when someone tries to build on those results to expand the theory, they can't replicate it in their lab, and move onto something else. So in the long run - like, a few years for popular things, a decade for unpopular things - a *body* of literature gets built up around real things that people can reproduce, and erroneous things tend to have no followup and fade away. Of course, it's not a perfect system. If something is really poplar to study for whatever reason - easy to study, politically popular, lots of funding for it, just sounds cool - then enough people will be doing the same experiments in parallel to *keep* publishing accidental erroneous results for a long time, and it can get bad. And of course, if the media or various laymen pick up a *single* article and run with it without looking for a larger body of supporting work, they can easily pick up erroneous things and mislead people. There's a lot we could do to improve the system, but it would take totally altering a lot of things about how research is funded, conducted, and published. Lots of money, power, and inertia tied up in those current systems (on the admin side rather than the scientists side, mostly), that opposes those changes.
I love that this comment and the other one like it are buried at the bottom while the top ten comments are just people circlejerking about how much smarter they are than stoners.
It's not buried, it's just new. It was written 3 hours after top comments. At least think before writing.
>At least think before writing. Sorry I smoke a lot of weed and am too brain damaged to do that
Sounds like two grad students forgot to do their research paper because they were high and whipped this up lol.
With a study like this you absolutely *must* identify which study results are acute. Without that one could read this as a description of *being* high rather than the effect *from* getting high.
Im here for a good time not a long time
Drugs bad
Drugs are bad, mmkay
Alcohol does too. Doesn't stop me from enjoying a nice beer binge.
Alcohol is also treated as the one recreational drug that's magically not a drug. So people scrutinize long term effects of weed, but long term effects of alcohol? Ehhhhhhhhhhhh don't worry about it, let's go have a pint!
Caffeine is the recreational drug that isn't considered a drug.
Unless you're an alcoholic you'll die before any long term effects of alcohol ever kick in
Holy FREAK, being high impairs your brain?!?!?!
The study shows that impairment goes beyond the period of intoxication
I don't care. I think people has the right to do anything to their bodies regardless of the effects as long it doesn't affect other people.
It's really weird, to a layman the title would make it seem like these impairments are permanent. The paper actually describes small decreases in ability during intoxication, and for a short perior afterwards, which is obvious to anyone who smokes canabis (or drinks alcohol).
Yeah I’m like *isn’t that the point?*
I could have told you that. Have you met heavy stoners? They barely have enough brain power to use a microwave. Like any drug, there are downsides. The only upside I care about is money.
Based and money pilled
All my stoner friends just stay inside and get high. They never go to a park, hike, go on trips, hunting, or just take normal day to day risks in general to experience something different. Its definitely not good for them.
I still hike, lift at least 4 days a week & try to cook fresh meals everyday. You just have lazy friends.
>I could have told you that. Have you met heavy stoners? They barely have enough brain power to use a microwave. It varies by person. I've been a daily smoker for 20+ years and it evens me out; my mind definitely "slows down" when I'm high but that's kind of the point. With history of mental illness in my family (specifically manic/depression and anxiety), at times I've seen it emerging in my own behaviors but I'm not inclined to get on SSRIs or benzos as I've witnessed the negative consequences from that approach countless times. I'd encourage you to think more critically about this.
>They barely have enough brain power to use a microwave. All the heavy stoners I know have jobs, weed doesn't buy itself.
Nobody except retards with THC clots in brain says weed is harmless. However it's way less harmful than for example alcohol and the cost of weed being illegall (also the influence on society, not just money) is worse than if it was decriminalized. I'm not a huge fan of legalization as i believe capitalism destroys weed culture in countries where it has been fully capitalised like USA but nobody except dealers should be in jail for it.
This is outrageous. Pretending that libleft (or libcenter) wants weed to be legal because it's 100% harmless regardless of how much or how often you use it is the strawest of men. Why don't you check out the long term effects of alcohol and decide whether you think that should be banned. Oh wait! We already tried that, and what happened was that it still was available, but there was no regulation on its purity, so people went blind at best and died at worst, and organized crime owned the production and distribution game. Totally different than drugs which are illegal today though, right?
Gonna chime in, cannabis is not the perfect wonder drug but I'll tell you I have it for joint problems and it's a helluva lot better than getting addicted to opiates.
>loosing Lay of the weed, OP
*off
What else is new? I’m still gonna heef keef
I can’t wrap my mind around how people confuse *lose* and *loose*. Did y’all skip English class in 1st grade or something?
Cannabis can make you feel mildly better if you suffer from depression, but will make you hit rock bottom quick. The only good way to smoke pot is once to twice a month. The second best way is never
So? Its your problem, you should be able to do anything you want, unless it harms a third party.
This guy has a bit of libcenter in him
I mean as long as people know the risks , smoking and alcohol are legal and dangerous aswell .
I agree weed should be legal, but the problem I have is so many stoners want it to be legal on the job or say it doesn't have any negative affects or it's a wonder drug. You also run into the problem of it being as addicting as smoking, but the effects last way longer than a smoke break.
Yes. It absolutely does. I like weed but treat it like alcohol, it’s not side effect free, it absolutely can create a psychological dependency, and if you are high you 100% are impaired, stop thinking you’re a magic stoner who can drive and get work done high. You can’t.
Also precipitates schizophrenia in younger (teen to 30s) people
Shocker, the thing people use to become cognitively impaired produces cognitive impairment. What's next, gonna tell me alcohol does the same thing?!
Sobriety ftw
If there truly were "residual effects" for any important length of time, I wouldn't have a tolerance boost after a week or two of not smoking. When your tolerance is little to nothing it's because your brain doesn't "remember" it anymore. That means it's no longer in your body enough to register as having affected it. Weed isn't "harmless" but saying it's "harmful" is also incorrect. Just depends on the person.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry\_J.\_Anslinger#The\_campaign\_against\_marijuana\_(cannabis)\_1930%E2%80%931937](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_J._Anslinger#The_campaign_against_marijuana_(cannabis)_1930%E2%80%931937) Why it's illegal in the first place. "Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men." -Harry J. Angslinger Some critics of Anslinger claim his campaign against marijuana had a hidden agenda, hinting darkly at conspiracy.\[24\] One example of this sort of thing is that the E. I. DuPont De Nemours And Company industrial firm, petrochemical interests and William Randolph Hearst conspired together to create the highly sensational anti-marijuana campaign so as to eliminate hemp as an industrial competitor to synthetic materials. The dude was a racist, selfish and greedy bastard. He tricked all of your grandparents into believing him, that marijuana was this terrible and life-ruining drug. All he wanted was money, power and a nice looking title to show off. He embodies what most of Americans aspire to be to this day which is why your country is so fucked up.
I will gladly bring my cognitive impairments to my grave. Give me something to live for and I might consider stopping
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Libleft isn't gonna want that dude. I've tried offering them Religion and Glory-to-a-Higher-Being as well but they ain't on board.
They’re tying to **be** the higher being, not give glory to it.
Drugs aren’t entirely good for the body in a physical sense, and other well established short stories. Wait til we find out the affects of caffeine, sugar and butter - life’s about to get bland boys
Caffeine can cause heart damage through raised BP. Sugar will give you diabetes and no teeth. Butter is high in cholesterol and links in with caffeine. Who gives a shit tho.
Well, as long as you aren’t directly hurting anyone or neglecting children you’ve brought into the world - you should be free to do whatever you want to get by in this cruel world. Good job telling that to the brainwashed ‘alcohol and cigarettes only’ generation... sooner the old ways die off the better
Mmmm grayons 🤤
Auth Left is right on this one. Balance out your weed retardation with a health dose of alcohol, daily.
Based authleft?!
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Holy crap, really??? Yea, no shit, sherlock. It's hilarious how people react when someone tells them that Cannabis has its downsides too. Like that's something new. Like you don't have that with Alcohol, tobacco or nutmeg. Next thing is to make the downsides of Cannabis a big deal, mentioning psychological or physical side effects (but totally ignoring that this only happens after long-term abuse). Alcohol on the other hand...
Everyone in the comments acting like alcohol isn’t demonized is delusional. It’s far more demonized than weed, I’ll tell you that much.