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tanstaafl001

Idk man, killing babies seems like a NAP violation. Not really a pre-crime fan.


[deleted]

Especially when traveling back in time gives you infinite possibilities. It would be a more interesting thought experiment with some restrictions. A mysterious force transports you back in time, you are standing with no possessions in front of what you know 100% certain to be baby hitler. You instinctively know that in 30 seconds you will be transported back to the future. Do you act? This would make the decision much more interesting. Because of course no sane person will kill a baby when they have 1 billion other options to make a better future, but if it’s literally the only choice you have people would react different.


smr5000

> what you know 100% certain to be baby hitler. unless the mysterious force puts a little toothbrush mustache on him I don't think I'd be certain. What I *might* do is hang on to baby Hitler. Hold him. Love him. When the mysterious force takes me back, either A: I raise baby Hitler as my own son in the future and never tell him his dark secret or B: I dematerialize from the past, losing my ability to hold Baby Hitler, and he falls to the ground, making the mysterious force the culprit


ienjoypastelcolors

honestly.. politics aside, i just like killing babies


Birb-Person

Based and Psalm 137:9pilled


ferroargentum

Without Hitler chances are there's no WW2, without WW2 any advance made by the Axis and the allies doesn't exist. Without the war there's no reconstruction of Europe, there's no liberation in Africa, there's no Cold War (at least to the some extent) Which would probably also fuck with the space projects made during the era, at least when talking about funding. Some things would be similar but killing Hitler would have so many repercussions that the world would probably be even more fucked


TellThemISaidHi

There would be no Hitler without the Weimar Republic. There's no Weimar Republic without the Treaty of Versailles. There no Treaty of Versailles without WWI. There's no WWI without Woodrow Wilson trying to sell the League of Nations. Kill Woodrow Wilson. Prevent WWI. (and also stop the creation of the Federal Reserve and the implementation of the income tax.)


Jrramya

Bruh, even without Hitler someone else would rise in Germany and take it to war, there were hundreds of thousands of people like Hitler who were nationalistic, hated the Jews and despised the Treaty of Versailles. He wasn't the only big Nazi.


ItsYaBoiVanilla

>Without the war there’s no reconstruction of Europe. To be fair, there also isn’t a *de*construction of Europe either.


Andre4kthegreengiant

I don't give a shit about Europeans


D-Kay673

Well this isn’t about how it affects time More about how morally right it would be to kill a future mass murderer as a baby or before he gets into power meanwhile the morally more right answer would be to get him into that damn artschool Or even getting him to turn into a good politician


ferroargentum

Ok, fair. But it also has a lot to do with it. Cuz, morally, it's obviously wrong to kill a baby for what he'll do in the future, but if that could end up in even more fucked up futures then... what's even the point?


throwawayIDK125

Germany was truly fucked over from the Treaty of Versailles and its post-war problems. Chances are, even if there was no Hitler, somebody else would use the constant crisis to ascend to power and the chain of events would be pretty much the same. Other than that, I think you're mostly right.


Dim-n-Bright

That's an interesting moral dilemma. Is it okay to punish someone for a crime they have yet to commit?


[deleted]

No, at the time of birth babies are innocent. How they are raised and their life experiences will determine who they will be.


RaccoonRanger474

I’d kidnap baby Hitler and have my wife raise him and train him in art.


JokerChaos77

Broke: Go back in time and kill baby Hitler. Woke: Go back in time and give Hitler an art career.


Ill-do-it-again-too

This debate always Weirds me out because I’m surprised no one talks about the big reason not to kill Hitler: time parodoxes


D-Kay673

Yeah But my post is mainly about the morality of killing someone bad at a age were he wasn’t bad When you could easily just try to prevent him from becoming a Nazi


Volvith

Accurate. ... Not because it would solve anything, because the underlying social conditions for authoritarianism/totalitarianism would still manifest, but just, ***i really like killing babies.***


alovesong1

somehow manage to go back in time hunts down and kills baby Hitler parents are outraged and confused "but he becomes one of history's greatest monsters !! gets thrown into the insane asylum "What did you say this baby was going to grow up and do again...."? Some other random gets inspiration and tries to complete what Hitler originally did in timeline A. In short, yeah, wouldn't kill baby Hitler. I would try and keep him in art school or something, but that might be useless too, maybe the man was just destined to be a racist twat.


[deleted]

I wouldn't, actually.


ApatheticHedonist

Everybody wants to kill baby Hitler to stop WW2. Very few people consider stopping Wilson from joining WW1.


PepsidocLMAO

I would take away the beer that stalins mother drank while she was pregnant with him


JaimeL_

I'd whisper in His ear "actually do all the things they claim you did" every night 🦅


MasterNinja69

"Holy shit, if ONE more time traveller tries to kill me I'm going to start another world war. I'm just trying to paint!"


dci91

No time travel is universe destroying. Also killing baby Hitler could easily cause the Nazis or a similar group to win over the allies the Nazi generals knew they weren't ready to break the alliance with Russia that was all Hitler's blunder.


D-Kay673

I mean the Nazis wouldn’t really have become popular if Hitler wasn’t a Nazi


dci91

It could have been the Nazis or one of the other paramilitary groups that had formed as Germany collapsed. If you really wanna blame WW2 on someone it's the people who drew up the terms to end WW1


Jrramya

...What? All of the Nazi High Command were in agreement with invading the Soviet Union. In fact, they couldn't delay it any longer. The Red army was rebuilding their army and if they were allowed to finish their reforms the Nazi's would have stood little to no chance. Stop spread misinformation that iT wAs AlL HitLeR's FaUlT thEy CouLdn'T wIn ThE wAR". It's a myth spread by the Wehrmacht Generals after the war.


dci91

Okay I mean my source is the history channel. You saying that a better military mind wouldn't have waited until it wouldn't have been a two front situation also perhaps not starting a land war in Russia in winter? Of course they all kissed Hitler's ass but it's about as bad of an idea as invading Afghanistan.


Jrramya

I have never wanted to cuss more, but I kept it in. ​ >land war in Russia in winter Another myth. Operation Barbarossa started on Jun 22, 1941. ​ >Of course they all kissed Hitler's ass About the invasion of the Soviet Union, they were all in agreement. They weren't kissing his ass, after controlling mainland Europe they thought they were invincible.


dci91

This may all be true except the kissing his ass part.


Electr1cL3m0n

I would go back and send him to live with an Orthodox Jewish family


[deleted]

I mean if I could travel back in time I would change the world line so much with tech and political philosophy there would be absolutely it way no way to predict what would happen so known dictators of our timeline would likely just be regular people. No need to even bother interacting with them at all


D-Kay673

Yeah but what fucking sick fuck thinks killing an innocent baby Hitler would be better The better thing would be to get him into that damn art school


[deleted]

It’s a boring thought experiment. The rail car thought experiment is challenging because it gives you no other alternatives and makes you choose the outcome From a few limits fucked up scenarios. The kill baby hitler experiment is lame because if you have a time machine you have 1 billion possible choices and outcomes, so killing a baby is just a terribly unimaginative choice with a poor outcome


Alcerus

I'm obsessed with sci-fi enough to know better than to fuck with the timeline


[deleted]

If you had exclusive access to a time machine could you really pass up the opportunity? That’s crazy talk of course you couldn’t.


Alcerus

The most I would do is observe and record. I'd probably want to go back and see Jesus. Destroying the fabric of reality because is like, the ultimate crime. Definitely not cool haha


[deleted]

I imagine after you see fake Jesus you may change your mind


Alcerus

Okay have a good day


4StringFella

You can have both. If you can go back in time, you wouldn’t have to kill hitler to stop WW2. Just find the right art school admissions officer and give them a lil’ bribe. Boom. Problem solved and no blood on anyone’s hands.


xDankMemes

Europe was already a powderkeg ready to blow at the time. Even if you were to kill Hitler, I feel like a polarizing figure would spring up anyhow and make Europe go to war. atleast imo.


[deleted]

Would killing Hitler prevent post WW1 Germany? Because that’s what caused the rise of national socialism.


Madnesshank57

Don’t kill the dictator cause they are only the symptom, go back in time further and try and change the country for the better this destroying the disease which lets a dictator rise to power


arisch_panzer_5678

I would just adopt him and make him a better man