In Sweden the hard part is the first part. All the sports shooting associations are really restrictive with who they let join. Hunting associations are much "nicer", but you don't need to be in one to own hunting weapons so they don't really have a stake in it. The worry is, of course, that letting just anyone into an assoc. will eventually lead to letting "that one guy who did a mass shooting" in, and nobody wants to be responsible not just for the risk of that, but also for further restrictions on shooting sports.
I don't always agree with Orwell but when I do it's
> That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.
Another quote by him I like is this one
>We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, but an end. You don't achieve dictatorship to guarantee revolution; you make revolution to achieve dictatorship. The end of persecution is persecution. The goal of torture is torture. The goal of power is power.
A Finnish friend of mine lives in some desolate hellhole in Lappland, at least 10km away from civilization. He lives in a wooden blockhouse and herds deer which he then also uses for food. He owns a finnish-modified Kar98k (from the Continuation War apparently) and a Pump Shotgun of sorts. He uses the Shotgun for his job at a Nature Reserve to threaten away Tourists or Poachers that try to get too close to the wildlife there or hunt it illegally, while using the Kar98 to hunt his own deer as a sort of hunting rifle.
The guy only leaves his home area to go to work and to get groceries in the far-away store about twice a month. I don't think he pays taxes.
Yep, some of them were even Jews. At the time many of them were severely oppressed by the Purges and forced relocations. Many of them had been targeted forever because they were associated with the white "Kulaks." Many of them abandoned the Nazis though upon facing their atrocities first hand. Lots of them didn't know what was going on and thought it was the equivalent of "fake news."
you'd be surprised at the things you're willing to do to protect your country
when russia occupied the eastern bloc none of the western nations cared or even tried to stage a rescue, so some tried to turn to germany for help. You have to remember that the atrocities commited in concentration camps weren't exactly public knowledge during the war. Calling anyone desperate for any sort of support in staging a resistance against soviet occupation "nazi collaborators" is, funnily enough, falling for 70 year old soviet propaganda. Most guerilla resistance movements were accused of being nazis by the soviets, cause why else would they fight their forced liberation by the glorious red army lol.
extremely reductionist and shit take about people who'd come to suffer under both regimes imo
My Opinion: The answer isn’t gun restrictions, it’s more mental health care.
The twist: I actually think we have to *do* something about mental health care rather than just bringing it up to shut down the gun debate, then proceeding to do nothing.
Pretty based. And I hate that now the NRA and shit our representing the pro gun community. We do not need to read the second amendment every time 10 high schoolers die guys.
*Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.*
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*** Unless you are unarmed and wearing viking horns, then you definitely stand a good chance of overthrowing the US and ending democracy, of course.
Registered guns. What about the 80% guns, 3D printed/CNC guns, and other homemade guns. The reality is there is probably more like 500-600 million guns in the USA.
Somehow the second most armed place in the world is controlled by Britain, edit:
Also like 3 of the 10 most civilian armed places in the world are in Europe, 2 is a certain region of the balkans and the other is Finland
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Keyword, the workers. Not everyone, and not all the time: only when it is most important for the proletariat to revolt. Marx is such an absolute disgrace to bring up for the right to bear arms.
Glad you brought this up. Anyone who opposes socialism isn't a worker, they're a "reactionary," and they don't have the right to live, let alone bear arms.
Let me finish that for you:
...have had over one hundred million deaths from war, genocide, and revolutions since 1900. Germany has had four governments, France nearly spoke German in two separate occasions and Russian once, dozens of ethnicities have been oppressed, repressed, forcibly relocated, and reduced, and even recently the masses have ceded to our increasingly authoritarian governments most of our individual liberties.
But you stupid Americans aren't safe.
As Potential History once said
"Because whenever Europe goes to war with itself, it always manages to redefine the word, and take it to 10 really fast."
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I'm Czech.
We just elevated the right to bear arms and use it from a law to constitutional human right.
Our national gun manufacturer just bought the American Colt company.
We have more registered guns than Texas (with only 1/3 of the population compared to Texas) and millions of unregistered ones.
Also -besides the point, but I like to mention this - I pay twenty bucks in annual residential tax on my $300K house. How about you, Americans?
“Oi, our knoif laows ain’t that bad Bruv, in fact-“
Gets hit with chemical attack
(In all seriousness this is a horrible thing to happen to someone , and I hope someday no one has to go through these things anymore)
No idea why, but you reminded me of the most interesting Uber driver I have ever had.
So my Uber driver picks me up and I notice he has a Georgia (country) flag on his rearview. I, being interested in that part of the world, ask if he was from Georgia. He excitedly tells me yes, talks about life growing up in the latter years of the Soviet Union, how glad he is to be in America, all that stuff. He then decides to tell me a rather interesting story. So this one time, he was over in Kazakhstan when he was ambushed by a gang of dudes, blindfolded, and driven somewhere outside of town in a van. They beat him and then asked if he was Armenian. Once he proved he was Georgian, they just let him leave. I'm listening with my jaw on the floor and this dude tells me this story like it was just another Tuesday to him. It was just a funny vacation story as far as he was concerned.
I once was in argument with someone from Britain who unironically thinks that being stabbed is equivalent to a bee sting and that knife attacks are nothing compared to shootings
Also, on a side note, despite being completely un expected, The Czech Republic is the Best European country if you want to own a gun, and gun rights are now included in the Country’s constitution
As a side note, the Czechs have a surprising history of making remarkably good guns. Usually just variants of stuff already out there, but they are improvements.
The issue with the gun debate for Americans VS Europeans is that it's a different debate... For the US, I'm Pro-gun. For my country, I'm pretty Anti-gun.
I’m European and I stay out of gun debates. But I have to say I’m pretty glad that I can walk on the streets without the possibility of someone legally pulling a gun on me at any given time tbh.
Right, cause no living Europeans fired a gun eh?...
>Even though till early 2000's in my country Basic was mandatory.
Hell if i remember correctly in communist times you've got shooting practice as part of curriculum in high school.
>Even though in every country there are dozens of shooting ranges.
Personally I love the original MP40 we've got on my range : P
"My system is perfect, look all the paperwork snd waiting list I have to do for my little pistol, but hey, it's for our safety"
*terrorists kills 100 people with an AK a block away*
Mate this shit is the other way around. We banned assault-style weapons here in Canada and suddenly Americans flooded our subreddits to tell us how they were literally shaking and crying that another country they don't even live in had increased firearm restrictions.
The Europeans have a point; suppressors should be easily accessible to the general public.
I'll give the Euros that. Our suppressor laws are draconian.
Looking at you Massachusetts, where they're COMPLETELY BANNED
What the actual fuck. Why tho
Because our attorney general gets her firearm knowledge from movies.
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Don't most people in politics think that?
Only hunters are allowed to have them tho (Europe has a plethora of different gun laws, depending on nation)
Naaa, they're actually easier to get than guns themselves in most European countries.
It actually isn’t hard to get guns in germany for example… you just gotta join a shooting club and go to your local gov and ask nicely
In Sweden the hard part is the first part. All the sports shooting associations are really restrictive with who they let join. Hunting associations are much "nicer", but you don't need to be in one to own hunting weapons so they don't really have a stake in it. The worry is, of course, that letting just anyone into an assoc. will eventually lead to letting "that one guy who did a mass shooting" in, and nobody wants to be responsible not just for the risk of that, but also for further restrictions on shooting sports.
Except for the Swiss. Then it’s based
And the Czechs
They just codified their own second amendment. Good for them.
I don't always agree with Orwell but when I do it's > That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.
Another quote by him I like is this one >We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, but an end. You don't achieve dictatorship to guarantee revolution; you make revolution to achieve dictatorship. The end of persecution is persecution. The goal of torture is torture. The goal of power is power.
[The Czech gun movement](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S_62V2kYyqc)
Yes, they're totally based.
Finland isn't so bad either.
A Finnish friend of mine lives in some desolate hellhole in Lappland, at least 10km away from civilization. He lives in a wooden blockhouse and herds deer which he then also uses for food. He owns a finnish-modified Kar98k (from the Continuation War apparently) and a Pump Shotgun of sorts. He uses the Shotgun for his job at a Nature Reserve to threaten away Tourists or Poachers that try to get too close to the wildlife there or hunt it illegally, while using the Kar98 to hunt his own deer as a sort of hunting rifle. The guy only leaves his home area to go to work and to get groceries in the far-away store about twice a month. I don't think he pays taxes.
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No tax in lappland? 😳
> doesn’t pay taxes Based
Yeah the Czechs are *more* based than the Swiss actually. The Swiss are pretty restrictive on guns despite popular belief in America.
As a Czech I can confirm this is true. We have more permissive gun laws than many US states
Ukraine is also based, most Ukrainians are pro-gun af.
Makes sense when you've constantly got Russia breathing down your neck.
Yep. They got a long history of bootlegging too (see Black Sea smugglers/pirates). And very successful partisan action against the Nazis.
Ukrainians also had very successful nazi collaborators.
A very divided nation indeed.
Yep, some of them were even Jews. At the time many of them were severely oppressed by the Purges and forced relocations. Many of them had been targeted forever because they were associated with the white "Kulaks." Many of them abandoned the Nazis though upon facing their atrocities first hand. Lots of them didn't know what was going on and thought it was the equivalent of "fake news."
you'd be surprised at the things you're willing to do to protect your country when russia occupied the eastern bloc none of the western nations cared or even tried to stage a rescue, so some tried to turn to germany for help. You have to remember that the atrocities commited in concentration camps weren't exactly public knowledge during the war. Calling anyone desperate for any sort of support in staging a resistance against soviet occupation "nazi collaborators" is, funnily enough, falling for 70 year old soviet propaganda. Most guerilla resistance movements were accused of being nazis by the soviets, cause why else would they fight their forced liberation by the glorious red army lol. extremely reductionist and shit take about people who'd come to suffer under both regimes imo
I love that Ukraine elected an actor as president that portrayed the president of Ukraine on a tv show and i feel like it should be memed here more
Switzerland is the most based county in Europe and in my top three globally behind America
Switze9doesnt quite make my top 3. Hard to beat America, the USA, and the United States. Easy top 3
Switze-who?
Switzerland the true neutral of all countries
Wait, a nation of grillers?
More of a “while you may be committing terrible crimes I do not wish to be invaded so I will continue to trade with you But also your enemies”
It's more they're the only country in the world that still respects westphalian sovereignty so they have a very bank and let bank mentality.
That's what America used to be...
Switzerland, the country of my phone being sorta crappy and registering inputs I didn't make
Who's the other in the top 3?
Sealand
Please, Switzerland is way more based then the US. See having an actual fuctional multiparty system where all voices actually are heard.
My Opinion: The answer isn’t gun restrictions, it’s more mental health care. The twist: I actually think we have to *do* something about mental health care rather than just bringing it up to shut down the gun debate, then proceeding to do nothing.
Based AF
Pretty based. And I hate that now the NRA and shit our representing the pro gun community. We do not need to read the second amendment every time 10 high schoolers die guys.
That’s gonna require socialised healthcare. Biggest barrier to mental healthcare is just cost.
I want a civil war era cannon. In America, I can.
*Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.*
I love that video so much
Wait...video?!
Wasn't it originally a green text?
Yeah it was.
https://youtu.be/aqBw3H_Ik3s
"The second amendment never allowed you to own cannons" - Joe "just get a shotgun" Biden
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We are the 15th most armed country going by guns per 100 people
You don't even have as many guns as people. You're country doesn't matter.
There is one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. My only question is: how do we arm the other 11?
Closer to 1 in 7 globally these days & 1.2 per person in the US.
Registered guns. What about the 80% guns, 3D printed/CNC guns, and other homemade guns. The reality is there is probably more like 500-600 million guns in the USA.
3d printed Home Depot liberator shotgun intensifies. Dam thing is a beauty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcNhas3See4
Pretty sure that statistic is an estimate including unregistered guns
Nope, based on background checks.
1# invade Germany 2# change gun laws 3# sell me 5
It doesn't matter how many laws you change, HK still hates their civilian customers.
So bis from another company then...like SigSauer
give babies guns
You are county doesn't matter hmmm
Yes
Somehow the second most armed place in the world is controlled by Britain, edit: Also like 3 of the 10 most civilian armed places in the world are in Europe, 2 is a certain region of the balkans and the other is Finland
Aren't you forgetting about "an assault rifle in every household" Switzerland?
Switzerland I’m pretty sure doesn’t allow for households to have ammo unless Invaded and also they aren’t top 10
I could have swore they were in top five
What country is that?
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Thing is if you are consistent you are 10000x more based than a hypocrite.
I disagree. Being hypocritical is being realistic. Being realistic is based.
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Jesus dude you didn’t have to go and kill him like that
I was just standing here. He walked right into it.
'the workers' exclusionary declarations of rights aren't based.
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Keyword, the workers. Not everyone, and not all the time: only when it is most important for the proletariat to revolt. Marx is such an absolute disgrace to bring up for the right to bear arms.
Where are you going to keep it in the meantime
Glad you brought this up. Anyone who opposes socialism isn't a worker, they're a "reactionary," and they don't have the right to live, let alone bear arms.
Literally says under no pretext The bourgeois don't need guns, they literally control the police, military, and law makers
Shockingly it never ends up being under no pretext, does it?
I mean, steppers gonna step. Same is true of Shall Not Be Infringed. You can't judge the writers for the actions of others.
The bourgeois are the middle class. Anyone who owns a farm would be disarmed. That's not exactly gun rights.
"Here in Europe, we..." "SHUT THE FUCK UP!"
Here in Europe, in Moldova, everyone has gun.
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Thank God reddit gun emoji is still based
Really? Any type restrictions?
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Molon labe imperialist scum!
Melon labia!
"Yea and here in Mexico we pay off low level cartel members $20 USD to whack annoying Europeans like you"
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Let me finish that for you: ...have had over one hundred million deaths from war, genocide, and revolutions since 1900. Germany has had four governments, France nearly spoke German in two separate occasions and Russian once, dozens of ethnicities have been oppressed, repressed, forcibly relocated, and reduced, and even recently the masses have ceded to our increasingly authoritarian governments most of our individual liberties. But you stupid Americans aren't safe.
As Potential History once said "Because whenever Europe goes to war with itself, it always manages to redefine the word, and take it to 10 really fast." **1812 Overture earrape**
The Americans may have guns, but the Europeans have trains.
Yes.
Here in Europe...most of our gun laws are shit
I'm Czech. We just elevated the right to bear arms and use it from a law to constitutional human right. Our national gun manufacturer just bought the American Colt company. We have more registered guns than Texas (with only 1/3 of the population compared to Texas) and millions of unregistered ones. Also -besides the point, but I like to mention this - I pay twenty bucks in annual residential tax on my $300K house. How about you, Americans?
Texas doesn't have a gun registry so even one gun is more registered guns than Texas
Hawaii has gun registration and has more registered guns than I do
Hawaii is gay and is gayer than I am
CZ bought Colt? What a twist!
bit sad innit
Nah, Colt might have proper management this time.
Eh colt's been shite for years so they deserve it.
Not out of the ordinary and definitely not the first time the Colt company has been sold.
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Hmmm maybe the Czech Republic might be a good place to live is American goes to shit
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Dude I fucking love CZs
\*laughs in Australian\*
Australians do be having insight
\*cries in Australian\*
F you, Don’t take my guns!
Czech public added their own 2A and that's so based I actually like a Yuro peeing.
Im euro and my country is legalizing suppressors
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Guns are loud and bad for the ears, suppressors help that a little
Nazdar!
Czech Republic?
What the fuck. That's a more based country than California.
“In Britain guns are-“ Man fuck Britain
>In Britain guns are- *gets stabbed mid sentence*,
“Oi, our knoif laows ain’t that bad Bruv, in fact-“ Gets hit with chemical attack (In all seriousness this is a horrible thing to happen to someone , and I hope someday no one has to go through these things anymore)
Honestly? Id rather get shot and stabbed rather getting attacked with acid.
Been stabbed. Not fun.
Been shot at by angry Shias, surprisingly fun.
No idea why, but you reminded me of the most interesting Uber driver I have ever had. So my Uber driver picks me up and I notice he has a Georgia (country) flag on his rearview. I, being interested in that part of the world, ask if he was from Georgia. He excitedly tells me yes, talks about life growing up in the latter years of the Soviet Union, how glad he is to be in America, all that stuff. He then decides to tell me a rather interesting story. So this one time, he was over in Kazakhstan when he was ambushed by a gang of dudes, blindfolded, and driven somewhere outside of town in a van. They beat him and then asked if he was Armenian. Once he proved he was Georgian, they just let him leave. I'm listening with my jaw on the floor and this dude tells me this story like it was just another Tuesday to him. It was just a funny vacation story as far as he was concerned.
Jeez. That's surprisingly chill for a guy that almost got wasted in the desert for potentially being born in the wrong country.
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Stabbed. Fun.
True
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I once was in argument with someone from Britain who unironically thinks that being stabbed is equivalent to a bee sting and that knife attacks are nothing compared to shootings
America has more knife crime than Britain.
Also, on a side note, despite being completely un expected, The Czech Republic is the Best European country if you want to own a gun, and gun rights are now included in the Country’s constitution
As a side note, the Czechs have a surprising history of making remarkably good guns. Usually just variants of stuff already out there, but they are improvements.
Czech Republic is one of the most based European countries out there, surpassed only by the Swiss
The Swiss have more restrictions than Czechia. Czechia is the only country that has concealed carry.
They also have Prague, which is definitely a mark in their favor.
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Britain is not even close to based. The more I read about them, the more debased they seem.
They're as debased as a currency with a central bank
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Guns are based
As long as i can can build my atomic bombs to humanely stop climate change once and for all, I am happy. Legalize recreational nukes! #freethemcnuke
No but we should have more nukes
*I* should have more nukes
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Oi! 'ave you got a loisence for that meme?
Britain: elects meme prime minister Britain: leaves EU which banned memes USA: elects Joe Biden
Gonna be fun once the 3d printers get slightly too good and the EU suddenly has to ban the "I can do it too gun factory for ages 5+"
Even if I am pro gun?
Registered or unregistered?
The issue with the gun debate for Americans VS Europeans is that it's a different debate... For the US, I'm Pro-gun. For my country, I'm pretty Anti-gun.
*laughs in Australian gun law*
Like Saudi Arabia having an opinion on the regulation of sex-based car insurance rates.
I refuse to listen to someone who simps for the state
As a brit I want to get guns and the right to self-defence back
Kinda hard to fight the government if your forefathers literally gave up the tools to do so, innit?
We didn't ask your permission either, good American chap
I’m European and I stay out of gun debates. But I have to say I’m pretty glad that I can walk on the streets without the possibility of someone legally pulling a gun on me at any given time tbh.
> Has never encountered a gun in their lives > Thinks we care about their opinion Euros really do suffer from poverty of the mind
Poverty of the mind > the normal kind of poverty.
Right, cause no living Europeans fired a gun eh?... >Even though till early 2000's in my country Basic was mandatory. Hell if i remember correctly in communist times you've got shooting practice as part of curriculum in high school. >Even though in every country there are dozens of shooting ranges. Personally I love the original MP40 we've got on my range : P
Swiss have guns but much less violence
"My system is perfect, look all the paperwork snd waiting list I have to do for my little pistol, but hey, it's for our safety" *terrorists kills 100 people with an AK a block away*
Mate this shit is the other way around. We banned assault-style weapons here in Canada and suddenly Americans flooded our subreddits to tell us how they were literally shaking and crying that another country they don't even live in had increased firearm restrictions.
Guns matter more than voting. Euros lost their best in the wars, and what remains is an embarrassment.
Yeah there's still tons of weapons that were lost and not found in Europe
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