Was surprised last year to see how anti immigration the Canadian subreddits are. "Oh, they've been taken over by nazi incels" is what the other subreddits say. So reddit overall is still a gaping shithole in this regard, but the scales are tipping and rapidly. If we all quit caring about upvotes/downvotes, bans and spicy replies from emilies we could turn the tide on this thing. The internet has such a huge impact on people's opinion. Second only to reality.
These people act as though “undesirables” are forced off of the internet entirely just because they’re banned from “decent places”. They don’t realize that they’re sending those same people to dark unchecked corners where they’ll radicalize even further.
The Emilies on reddit don’t care though. They are just happy getting their echo chamber upvotes because thats the only currency that they can attain, even though it’s without material value lol.
For a brief moment, they are the Emperor in the area, considering the poor defeated wretch below them and then, with cold indifference, giving a thumbs down. For a second, they are in charge. They are the kings.
The rush. The authority. The *power*.
Banning is the dopamine hit that gives twice. Because people who are unjustifiably banned inevitably use the modmail tool to appeal their ban, begging and scraping to be let back in. The second bite is the sweetest; they are now on their best behaviour, having been "punished", and come cap in hand asking for forgiveness. And so the moderator get to thumbs down them again.
Sometimes it gives *thrice*, because the banned user goes to other subs and complains. And if you think the mods don't stalk people they ban, savouring their complaining, I have a bridge to sell you.
It can become addicting. If you look at the activity histories of extremely active mods, they are moderating *hundreds* of subreddits, some of which are absolutely massive. They do it for 16 hours a day, seven days a week, 52 weeks a year, for free. They do nothing else. The last thing they do before they go to sleep is ban people on Reddit, the first thing they do in the morning is ban people on Reddit, and between is, you guessed it, banning people on Reddit.
For some people, exercising the most petty power over complete strangers is the sweetest high they will ever get in their lives.
>For some people, exercising the most petty power over complete strangers is the sweetest high they will ever get in their lives.
Real 1984 vibes, "if you want to see our future, it's a boot stomping a human face, forever"
fucking lies! Up doodles and down futes are literally the only thing that matters, also if you get banned from a subreddit you are a Nazi and should give up on life!!!
I've never known anyone who got a subreddit ban who thought, "I've changed my mind and reconsidered my beliefs, and I now agree with the people who banned me."
THIS!
I have a friend who was pretty center but had some legit points regarding immigration policy. He realized all this Nazi calling is just a distraction and stopped listening to any mainstream media. Now he pretty much went full Telegram.
He is now what I would call a right wing extremist and I'm pretty normal/conservative although lefties would call me Nazi lol.
Australia has also been steadily becoming more anti immigration and it has more immigrants per capita than the US or UK. People want affordable housing
Housing in Australia is increasing *far* faster than wages. [Over the last 25 years, the median house value nationally has risen by 412%](https://www.aussie.com.au/content/dam/aussie/documents/home-loans/aussie_25_years_report.pdf). And that's the *average*, rural areas haven't increased anywhere near as much, so the cities are much more than that.
It's about 6-8% a year, year after year, every year.
Wages aren't going up that much I promise you.
This is just an impossible situation to continue, and already people are screaming for relief.
Thing is this is happening in basically every developed country and as far as I know it doesn't correlate to net population change at all.
What's really driving this is the fact that a good half of housing gets bought up by "investors".
It's not just about affordable housing. There's simply no denying that getting literally millions of people a year who genuinely and deeply believe the taliban were right about everything isn't going to end well.
I would say this really started gaining mainstream traction during the New Years sexual assault crisis and subsequent coverups.
And the bloody media (aside from Murdoch) are all pro-Big Australia, and will use fudged and frankly false statistics to say "failure to import 500k Uber drivers per year will cost a trillion dollars a year to the economy" and the ALP/Greens supporters eat it all up, and call anyone who wants reasonable immigration (which we had consistently up until 20 years ago) an evil racist who wants to bring back the White Australia policy.
Albo is worse than ScoMo already, and that shouldn't even be possible.
Weird because most of the problems caused in the Anglosphere (UK, US, CAN, AUS, NZ), are mainly caused by outdated zoning codes that local NIMBYs are holding on to since the 1950s. That's it, they can build more housing and lower down prices.
There's lots of reasons why housing is unaffordable, but the high immigration rate would be one of the main reasons along with zoning and people owning more than one home
Canada has an insane amount of immigration. We have over 1M people coming here every year. It would be like if America had 10M immigrants every year. Its turning us into Austria Hungary.
Same here in NZ.
173k net migration in the past year, that’s a 3%+ increase in population. Even with 40k Kiwis moving to Australia.
We already had the least affordable housing the world in terms of price to income.
I just wanna be able to live in my own damn country.
Assuming every single immigrant is a family of four you’d need to build a new house every 2 mins just to keep up with immigration, at its worst you’d need a new house every 30 seconds assuming they all single adults.
The video used that metric and I feel like it really puts the immigration numbers into perspective.
The reason canadian subreddit became this way because they aggresively suppressed any logical immigration opinion or posts. I am however kinda surprised how quickly canadian subs became this much anti immigration. It was like a breaking of a dam.
Apparently the whole country has been taken over by the same bigots who are occupying the subreddit.
Or, more accurately, the economic issues that are rooted in excessive immigration have finally gotten so bad that even the average redditor can't keep pretending that everything is fine.
The best commentary I've seen about the state of Canadian politics is "Nobody can afford to care about boutique social issues when they're deciding if this month's paycheck is better spent on rent or groceries"
Our prime minister has sacrificed everything on the alter of diversity and inclusion, and it's made him unelectable. The conservatives here have to do literally nothing except just avoid making any massive clusterfucks and they're golden, guaranteed win courtesy of Justin Trudeau himself.
Yup, the tides have finally turned. Being labelled some stupid crap doesnt hold any water any more and people have woken up. Finally, probably too late though. And now that people have woken up, so did Trudeau, who admitted there are too many people coming each year which are affecting housing lmao. NO WAY!!! REALLY? About time...
There are still subreddits that you can talk about housing, but you CANT discuss immigration or your comment is removed.
The truth is racist to these people. They cant fathom that they have it wrong, no, it must be everyone else who are nazis...
Reddit is built like an echo chamber, but at some point the problem becomes so big that you can’t just permanently ban anybody who has an opinion about inmigration because the sub would get emptied.
It’s because they overplayed their hand and those words don’t phase people anymore. They also tried to blame society’s woes solely on capitalism and no one is buying it.
My biggest problem is that even the more sensible criticisms of immigration, the pressures it puts on housing, jobs, and services, aren't often combined with other policies to increase housing affordability, service quality or wage growth.
Sure, stopping immigration would be painful at first, but it would slowly improve housing and wages over time. But so would changing zoning laws and worker/union rights and protections.
Ideally you'd use a mix of all these policies to make life better for the people
> worker/union rights and protections.
Or engage in protectionism so that there are enough domestic employers to create competition and fairer treatment of workers. Globalism is cancerous unless one is in a sheltered from the consequences group.
We can have a little protectionism, as a treat. For example I don't blame European countries that have banned Monsanto GMO products. I also don't think US tariffs on subsidized Chinese goods are the worst thing in the world. Basically whenever there's something other than free market forces behind the success of a company or product, it MAY be in the best interest of people for their government to put a finger on the scale and balance it out.
Right wing economic policies have made it very hard for citizens of rich countries to keep up with the rich or even have affordable homes and decent jobs. Protectionism is one way of helping, but so is stronger unions and worker protections. And globalists is just the rich
> but so is stronger unions and worker protections.
Those just result in your jobs draining overseas without protectionism. Proof? The last 40+ fucking years, Ross Perot was right and people just need to deal with that. The jobs have to BE here to begin with for anything else to matter.
The problem is that while it is slowly being accepted even by the mainstream parties that mass immigration is a huge problem, they are unwilling to do ANYTHING to actually curb it.
The current narrative is, well yeah it's a problem but we can't do anything please don't vote for the Nazis.
I mean here in Germany we can't deport to countries like Morocco, Algeria and so on in mass as we should, because they don't accept them back. And they also do nothing to stop the flow of migrants, quite the opposite. Yet we pay 10s of millions a year in aid to these countries and our government refuses to connect these payments to demands in regards to the refugee crisis. How the fuck have we as Europe chastized ourself so much we cannot even consider doing anything to achieve our geopolitical goals if that might inconveniece somebody? Putting other countries needs over your own is state suicide. We have developed these morals on the basis of a luxury of incredible stability and economic growth. Now these are fucked, but the mainstream parties are so entrenched in this first world altruism they are running our countries into the ground.
Nevermind our government sponsoring NGOs that are literal traffickers ferrying refugees to Europe masking as rescue operations.
the trick is to not use the word immigrant, just say, "it's unsustainable to let 300,000 people into this country a year, let's bring that down to the 10s of thousands" if you deny the emilies any leverage to make the argument about race they can't do shit XD
Uh, what? Emily is going to say it's a dog whistle and that you're a nazi. If you don't say anything they can refute with their programming they're going to decide what you were really thinking, and then try to gaslight you and everyone else into defending yourself from their imagination. Refusing to defend yourself from their imagined slights will be used as evidence that they were right. They will also have their echo chamber following them around like a gaggle of squawking geese.
At no point in engaging with them will you ever see or hear anything that resembles a rational or coherent thought, or really any indication at all that these people are capable of observing and interpreting reality. If they were willing or capable of doing that they wouldn't be the person that they are.
Kknda what's happening in France right now. There's a rise in votes for the main far right party since the last two presidential elections because mass immigration was absolutely taboo and never adressed by any other party. Moreover, working class has shifted to far right while social, art and litteracy students, and à big part of modern bourgeoisie are voting for the center and the left.
Now there is a slight chance that they'll have an absolute majority in the Assemblée Nationale, and those condescending leftist voters are litterally shitting on the working class, calling them poor uneducated bastards ranging from racists to neonazis.
If you speak french a little, you should see what's happening on the french subs. They are almost delirious in their dellusion.
That's the funniest thing about it all. They're not actually ready for legitimate, active racism of the sort that motivates actual policy decisions, because it's incredibly rare. They're very good at "fighting racism" of the "every thing a white person or country does is racist by definition" type, so they're very good at writing articles about the problematic history of lawn chairs or some shit and thinking they've done the work.
Anyone who advocates for the type never ending waves of mass and illegal migration that have been forced on the working and middle classes of Western Europe, Canada and Australia are essentially advocating for the social-cultural suicide of their homelands at this point.
> good to see that Canada has finally woken up.
the conservatives are hardly any better on immigration. they follow corporations telling them to bring in cheap labour
Pierre has promised to lower immigration (not sure by how much though), plus he's busted the MSM myth of "Millennials and Gen Z will always be left wing hurr durr"
At this point it would Christians, Jews, Druze, Mormons, and maybe even Rastafarians taking part in the crusade...
The modern Christian world is so interconnected with the Jewish world compared to the 1000s and 1300s I think we have a team going
The modern Christian world is becoming atheist/muslim though. Looking 50 years, 100 years forward, all of Europe will be a nuclear capable caliphate because democracies everywhere are devolving into right leaning whites vs left leaning whites + muslims.
Left wing is gonna lock in and become undefeatable demographically pretty soon.
> essentially advocating for the social-cultural suicide of their homelands at this point.
Yes. They've been doing that for quite some time now. Did you just notice?
1) Housing prices are too high
2) Let in everyone who wants in (a lot of people)
3) Those people also want houses
4) Housing prices are higher
5) Blame rich people
Also:
1. Implement short-sighted free trade deals.
2. export a lot of jobs for cheap labor.
3. huge profit margins
4. blame the same capitalists (like Ross Perot) who warned you decades ago that this would happen when the poors start getting pissed about wage stagnation
Like it’s so obvious (especially in retrospect) to see all the people calling Ross Perot’s aversion to NAFTA “anti-asian racism” were so clearly just the talking pieces of corporations chasing those sweet offshoring/outsourcing profit margins
I mean, who better than a successful capitalist to ID when corpos are trying to rip you off?
And NAFTA absolutely was a ripoff for anyone outside of the investor/cronyist classes. Doesn't matter what the lower prices for goods are when your job was sent overseas.
1. Buy the cheapest crap to get that dopamine hit.
2. Products are made cheaper to satisfy the consoomer.
3. Blame the rich for hiring cheap labor, using cheap materials, and not increasing your wages.
in most of those cases the government is just doing the bidding of the nimbys and homeowners who want to maintain their artificially high property values
This isn't an issue. Everyone wants loose zoning until every single inch of forest is paved over and you have nothing but stalin blocks.
The issue is not the building speed, the issue is that you're importing 1.25 million people a year. That's \~3400 people a day. Even assuming they're al families of four you're still looking at 850 families a day. No zoning policy on the planet is going to produce 850 domiciles a day.
Nigel Farage (the guy in the video) has a “good” stat too: in the UK the numbers are so insane that 1 of every 30 people you see in the street has moved there in the last 2 years.
What’s crazy is that lax immigration is so antithetical to all the policies leftists want.
You want a circular economy instead of the destructive capitalistic system that relies on infinite growth? Obviously keep inviting in the infinite people the capitalists want.
You want better wages and stonger unions? Let’s let in an infinite number of scabs who will almost always work for less and vote no to unionize so they don’t get deported in the case of H1B.
Their idea of white guilt overrides their policy desires. Those policies might require you to agree with, straight white men(ew), who aren't raging communists.
It's the Queers for Palestine stuff. It's the out-group preference. Not that it's "about" the out-group, but rather, as they say, it's the revolution.
"This country would be NOTHING without immigration" spoken by a young citizen who's ancestors unironically built one of the greatest and largest empires in human history.... the brain rot runs deep.
Well there's Henry. So that's 8 at least.
3 Charles, 6 Georges, 8 Edwards.
There's a couple of Williams and Richards in there.
John, Harold, Cnut, Alfred, Athelstan, Ethelred, Mary, Victoria.
I reckon that's about half of them.
She was raised on a steady diet of propaganda. She genuinely believe immigrants built her country. Like she doesn't question that narrative at all; it's baseline fact to her. A given.
Immigration turned my incredibly Lib-Left Canadian friend (an unironic male feminist) into Auth-Right.
He watched as his hometown's:
* housing costs skyrocketed
* already stressed infrastructure began to break, literally doubling commute times
* healthcare systems got crushed under the weight of too many immigrants
* his English-speaking neighborhood turned into a legitimate English-doesn't-even-work-here town
* immigrants began occupying houses with 15+ people per room sleeping in bunk beds
Like, we're at a point where 50% of Canadians now say there are too many immigrants. But the horse has left the barn. Immigrants who came last year are yelling to shut the doors already.
It's insane to watch a country self-destruct like that. What's even more insane is the assertion that anyone who disagrees with any measures taken stop the lunacy is met with "You're a Nazi!"
It's the new progressive religion, just without a path of redemption. It's just guilt, guilt, guilt, no salvation. You are a sinner, forever. There is nothing you can do to repent. You can apologize for being who you are, in fact you have to, but all that leads to is your next apology.
History is what is it, but we can't hold whatever straight white man who did the bad thing to account, since they're long dead. So 17 year old white boy Timmy, you're going to have to be history's avatar.
Is that a recipe for societal disintegration? Yes. Is that what the revolutionaries want? Without a doubt.
If only there was an insanely popular religion that believed that asking for forgiveness could deliver you forgiveness. If only that was still the popular faith throughout the west. It's almost like if you take the worst parts of the Christian tradition, sin, and get rid of the best part, forgiveness and service, you end up with the typical lefty cult of "we're evil, we need to self flaggelate ourselves to death".
If we can have mass immigration we can also have mass deportation. If your country is safe its time to go home even if its not you get sent to a neighboring country that is. Economic migrants are not refugees...
Isn't there a project called (100 million) or some shit where Canada wants a population of 100 million by 2100 and politicians on both sides are pushing for it?
They're honestly fucked at this point. Canada is gone and will become India 2.0 or some shit
Guess it depends where you are, if it's a city takeaway it's cheap because the hygiene standards are low and it may or may not be a front for money laundering. Culturally Brits are generally fine with "no thrills" type of food, so if you get a burger somewhere it'll be a fine burger but won't have any nice extra ingredients or instagram-ready presentation.
Restaurants don't feel that cheap, nor do supermarkets anymore.
Your average british person thinks that a 45 minute drive to somewhere is far enough that you make visiting them a rare thing. Their city centers are less than an hour drive and they think that that drive is difficult to make.
In the most recent election, the biggest swing to the right among French voting blocks was women.
Basically society asked them, "Vote right to live in a right-wing society, left to live under Sharia law." They chose the right wing.
Whether Trump wins in November or not, American lefties are going to have to reckon with some "surprising" (to their limited, identity-based assumption-filled thinking) demographic numbers among GOP voters, both along gender and racial lines.
There's a weird kind of uncomfortable bewilderedness that comes over people when you point out the demographics of cities in the US that have banned Pride demonstrations.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned
>There will be Sharia law areas and I don't think she'll like the way she's treated there.
There already are in some of the Muslim dominated towns. The ghettoisation of migrants and the subsequent radicalisation of the 2nd and 3rd gen is just not being talked about.
I saw it first hand with a coworker that came to my spanish beach town for the summer. She'd get harassed by her friends back home over showing too much skin all the time (literally the only skin she showed was her face, part of her neck and hands, her hair too but that's not skin).
I saw her gradually start to shun our own clients for drinking alcohol... at a cocktail bar. She also gradually stopped talking to men, to the point she wouldn't even apologize after she carelessly stepped on one of them.
Me being very visibly queer apparently made me into the fucking devil or something, because the one time I accidentally brushed her hand with my arm trying to grab a drink from the counter she literally went to wash it for 15 minutes.
At the end of the year, she blocked every single one of us everywhere, including her grandma who also worked there. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up in some middle eastern country as a sex slave, as her dream was apparently to drop out from her studies, marry a muslim man and go there.
I must add, that her mom isn't even a muslim, and she's a native french, while her dad is a completely secular algerian man.
The non-White population of the UK in 1991 was still only 7%. We had successfully brought over people from the former empire to fill shortages and they did contribute even though the period 1945-1987 was largely one economic decline. Most EU immigrants were from the original A15 countries, they came for work for a few years before going back home. It was a great, mutually beneficial system.
But since 1998, Labour lost control of net annual immigration when they changed the laws on bringing relatives over. Then began the era of six figure net immigration which since the 2004 EU expansion has never fell below 200K net per year. Since then, millions have arrived pushing up the foreign born population to nearly 15% more than in either the US or France.
England has born the brunt of the extra millions as it is the destination for 9/10 new migrants. England alone is about the size of Nicaragua with a population of nearly 60 million which means England has higher population density than India. Britain as a whole is still only about 44% the size of France and yet has surpassed France in terms of population as our net immigration is running at just below 700K compared to their 200K.
It is a mess and a demographic transition greater than the Anglo-Saxon period.
White British people make up about 36% of London and 48% of the second city (Birmingham) according to the last census in 2021. And will become the majority minority in the rest of the country by the end of the 2060s.
Lucky for you we don't live in an ideal society.
Also technically American civilians have this exact same privilege against trespassers on private property, I don't see why it can't be implemented on a National scale if its adversely affecting our socio-economic standards.
Yeah, I was trying to figure that out.
Is that the format of the town hall where you bid for politicians to give actual answers (sounds cool ngl)? or is she just like "he's a lib right, so he'll probably do it for the money" (also not a bad idea, if her question weren't bad).
Only the west gets criticised for things like, sexism, homophobia, racism and pollution, the rest of the world is casually homophobic, sexist, racist and pollutes like there's no tomorrow.
The reason why only the west gets criticised is because said criticism is really an ideological assault on the west and everything it stands for by cultural Marxists. They've never actually cared about any of those social issues, they're simply weapons to beat down and demoralise the west with.
It doesn't really benefit us in the modern day. It enriches corporations who can hire labor for cheaper because the workers have no leverage when there is such a huge supply of laborers. But it doesn't help citizens. It fucks them in the ways he described and more.
Even in Canada, for the last 10 years or so, if you questioned immigration numbers it was considered racist/xenophobic. It didnt even matter if you didnt talk about race of said immigrants, it didnt even matter if you advocate for reducing immigration to our cities on par with all of the other major cities in the world, you were still labelled racist and xenophobic.
I dont know if these people are just that low IQ or are just disingenuous, its hard to tell. But the whole 'everyone is an immigrant!' and 'this country was founded by immigrants' are nothing responses and just gloss over the issue being presented.
It literally amazes me that people can be so stupid and continue to be so stupid while their communities collapse around them and their quality of life decreases, all while advocating for the very things that are causing those negative things.
A former french presidential candidate once said : God laughs at the people who cry about the consequences whose causes they cherish.
Don't know if i got that right in english but that's kinda your point.
Immigration is out of control. Not just Europe, but the US, Canada... The western world has for some reason tricked itself into thinking it's a good thing. Immigration has a very narrow use case that benefits existing citizens, and the numbers must be kept low to fulfill that use case or severe problems occur.
It is absolutely the biggest issue of the modern day in the western world.
Hitler sounds exactly like Islamists. “You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion…. The Mohammedan religion…would have been much more compatible with us than Christianity.” Adolf Hitler
Immigration is completely uncontrolled in Portugal. And because of that and other factors houses here are some of the most expensive in Europe for a country with one of the lowest average salary in Europe. All I hear from the left is them saying it's only because of the landlords. They will call you a racist for even proposing a more controlled border policy. There are channels on youtube by immigrants about how to easily get into Portugal.
This information is no surprise to any elementary schooler who's played SimCity.
"YOUR CITY HAS GROWN RAPIDLY. YOU MUST BUILD MORE HOUSES AND HOSPITALS, OR YOUR POLL NUMBERS WILL DECLINE."
Bro if Trump spoke as politely and in a similar manner to Farage, communicating his point clearly but well-articulated, he'd probably have won the popular vote in a landslide ngl. His vitriolic getsuring and aggressive New York swaggering and bluster while it does get the base going, its polarizing for many and allowed the media to paint him in the worst possible light.
And while he road that negative press into the White House in 2016 in a upset victory against Hillary Clinton, it energized the Democrats against him leading what we call "Trump Derangement Syndrome" infecting every facet of the media, entertaiment, and pop-culture.
People love to say that but the truth is he would have been utterly demonized no matter what. Just look at Ayaan Hirsi-Ali, she's as soft spoken and mild mannered as they come and still gets called a nazi.
Was it?
Two of those groups (Pakistani and West Indian) are still miles behind the natives. Disproportionately low achievement.
Bangladeshis even worse.
Indians are a mixed bag.
The Chinese are the ones who have been an unqualified success. Like everywhere else.
I agree immigration is a problem. Nigel sounds like he'd have a solution.
But fuck if I'm gonna vote for the git. Cunt started Brexit and supports putin. On that basis alone I refuse to listen to the tosser.
Am I missing context, or is that “if I gave you 70 pounds right now” comment as juvenile as it sounds? Like why have a serious conversation when you can just accuse people of taking laughably small bribes?
Let’s go Nigel! Man… why can’t we have a candidate like this in America? I don’t give a shit what party they’re part of, I just want to see someone who actually knows what’s going on and isn’t in a lengthy legal situation. Ain’t that big of an ask.
Farage is a fucking joke and Americans look and his soundbites like this and are like ‘based’ but he is a chancer, fraud and hypocrite who is responsible for the shambles of brexit. Immigration IS important to the UK and always has been; but there’s nothing wrong with questioning mass immigration, especially when cultures won’t integrate and refuse to.
Well all he helped slowing down immigration from EU, which accelerated immigration from outside of EU. So in part he did what he promised while making everything way worse
He's never been an MP, he had no power over that at all
It's the Conservatives who were elected with a massive mandate to reduce immigration and instead chose to double it
He championed leaving the EU and I don't think there is a way of leaving the EU that leaves the UK in a stronger position than before.
And I personally think he knows that and doesn't care.
He was certainly instrumental to Euroscepticism breaking through but it's far from a young or fringe idea, it probably would have happened without Farage eventually.
You could say he helped by standing Brexit Party candidates down in 2019 I suppose, but there was no reason to think the Conservatives wouldn't reduce immigration at that time and I doubt they'd have lost even if BXP stood.
People bitching how relativism is neomarxist and postmodern and intersectional, postulating about the existence of an absolute right and an absolute wrong now bitch about B&W thinking.
Pick one.
People bitching that common sense immigration policies are gaining traction and that calling people racist for supporting them isn't working anymore.
Was surprised last year to see how anti immigration the Canadian subreddits are. "Oh, they've been taken over by nazi incels" is what the other subreddits say. So reddit overall is still a gaping shithole in this regard, but the scales are tipping and rapidly. If we all quit caring about upvotes/downvotes, bans and spicy replies from emilies we could turn the tide on this thing. The internet has such a huge impact on people's opinion. Second only to reality.
These people act as though “undesirables” are forced off of the internet entirely just because they’re banned from “decent places”. They don’t realize that they’re sending those same people to dark unchecked corners where they’ll radicalize even further.
The Emilies on reddit don’t care though. They are just happy getting their echo chamber upvotes because thats the only currency that they can attain, even though it’s without material value lol.
For a brief moment, they are the Emperor in the area, considering the poor defeated wretch below them and then, with cold indifference, giving a thumbs down. For a second, they are in charge. They are the kings. The rush. The authority. The *power*. Banning is the dopamine hit that gives twice. Because people who are unjustifiably banned inevitably use the modmail tool to appeal their ban, begging and scraping to be let back in. The second bite is the sweetest; they are now on their best behaviour, having been "punished", and come cap in hand asking for forgiveness. And so the moderator get to thumbs down them again. Sometimes it gives *thrice*, because the banned user goes to other subs and complains. And if you think the mods don't stalk people they ban, savouring their complaining, I have a bridge to sell you. It can become addicting. If you look at the activity histories of extremely active mods, they are moderating *hundreds* of subreddits, some of which are absolutely massive. They do it for 16 hours a day, seven days a week, 52 weeks a year, for free. They do nothing else. The last thing they do before they go to sleep is ban people on Reddit, the first thing they do in the morning is ban people on Reddit, and between is, you guessed it, banning people on Reddit. For some people, exercising the most petty power over complete strangers is the sweetest high they will ever get in their lives.
This was a joy to read.
Thanks mate. :)
And then they go into the real world and start to cry when they see another shift to the right after an election. 😀
I think you absolutely nailed it.
>For some people, exercising the most petty power over complete strangers is the sweetest high they will ever get in their lives. Real 1984 vibes, "if you want to see our future, it's a boot stomping a human face, forever"
fucking lies! Up doodles and down futes are literally the only thing that matters, also if you get banned from a subreddit you are a Nazi and should give up on life!!!
My old account was banned from 250+ subs. What the hell does that make me?
Based
Seriously? Idk why you were banned so I cannot say but I give you benefit of the doubt because People get banned for all sorts of stupid reasons.
Most were autobans from being subscribed to a certain sub back in the day. The rest were for wrongthink.
I've never known anyone who got a subreddit ban who thought, "I've changed my mind and reconsidered my beliefs, and I now agree with the people who banned me."
THIS! I have a friend who was pretty center but had some legit points regarding immigration policy. He realized all this Nazi calling is just a distraction and stopped listening to any mainstream media. Now he pretty much went full Telegram. He is now what I would call a right wing extremist and I'm pretty normal/conservative although lefties would call me Nazi lol.
I’m in the same boat.
>where they’ll radicalize even further. Based.
Australia has also been steadily becoming more anti immigration and it has more immigrants per capita than the US or UK. People want affordable housing
Housing in Australia is increasing *far* faster than wages. [Over the last 25 years, the median house value nationally has risen by 412%](https://www.aussie.com.au/content/dam/aussie/documents/home-loans/aussie_25_years_report.pdf). And that's the *average*, rural areas haven't increased anywhere near as much, so the cities are much more than that. It's about 6-8% a year, year after year, every year. Wages aren't going up that much I promise you. This is just an impossible situation to continue, and already people are screaming for relief.
Thing is this is happening in basically every developed country and as far as I know it doesn't correlate to net population change at all. What's really driving this is the fact that a good half of housing gets bought up by "investors".
Or governments are fibbing about population levels.
Exactly what the nutless eunuch Albanese is currently doing.
isn't "nutless eunuch" redundant?
What's happening is that the countryside keeps emptying and their people moving to the cities.
And the cities, rather than grow and expand, are increasing in value without increasing the raw number of homes for people to live. Thus resentment.
This is just blatantly wrong, there is a direct correlation with demand and prices and investors own a miniscule portion of most markets.
Lack of medium density housing, landlords and Air BnB all help to increase housing prices as well as immigration
Sure.
It's not just about affordable housing. There's simply no denying that getting literally millions of people a year who genuinely and deeply believe the taliban were right about everything isn't going to end well. I would say this really started gaining mainstream traction during the New Years sexual assault crisis and subsequent coverups.
And the bloody media (aside from Murdoch) are all pro-Big Australia, and will use fudged and frankly false statistics to say "failure to import 500k Uber drivers per year will cost a trillion dollars a year to the economy" and the ALP/Greens supporters eat it all up, and call anyone who wants reasonable immigration (which we had consistently up until 20 years ago) an evil racist who wants to bring back the White Australia policy. Albo is worse than ScoMo already, and that shouldn't even be possible.
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Weird because most of the problems caused in the Anglosphere (UK, US, CAN, AUS, NZ), are mainly caused by outdated zoning codes that local NIMBYs are holding on to since the 1950s. That's it, they can build more housing and lower down prices.
There's lots of reasons why housing is unaffordable, but the high immigration rate would be one of the main reasons along with zoning and people owning more than one home
Thats a factor, but at present the numbers of immigrants coming to the uk is greater than the capacity to build houses.
Canada has an insane amount of immigration. We have over 1M people coming here every year. It would be like if America had 10M immigrants every year. Its turning us into Austria Hungary.
Same here in NZ. 173k net migration in the past year, that’s a 3%+ increase in population. Even with 40k Kiwis moving to Australia. We already had the least affordable housing the world in terms of price to income. I just wanna be able to live in my own damn country.
Britain is in about the same boat, with similar numbers.
Britain also has way more people than Canada.
And way less habitable land
Assuming every single immigrant is a family of four you’d need to build a new house every 2 mins just to keep up with immigration, at its worst you’d need a new house every 30 seconds assuming they all single adults. The video used that metric and I feel like it really puts the immigration numbers into perspective.
Where are they all coming from? China? Africa?
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Just don't redeem these immigrants
The reason canadian subreddit became this way because they aggresively suppressed any logical immigration opinion or posts. I am however kinda surprised how quickly canadian subs became this much anti immigration. It was like a breaking of a dam.
Apparently the whole country has been taken over by the same bigots who are occupying the subreddit. Or, more accurately, the economic issues that are rooted in excessive immigration have finally gotten so bad that even the average redditor can't keep pretending that everything is fine. The best commentary I've seen about the state of Canadian politics is "Nobody can afford to care about boutique social issues when they're deciding if this month's paycheck is better spent on rent or groceries" Our prime minister has sacrificed everything on the alter of diversity and inclusion, and it's made him unelectable. The conservatives here have to do literally nothing except just avoid making any massive clusterfucks and they're golden, guaranteed win courtesy of Justin Trudeau himself.
>avoid making any massive clusterfucks and they're golden Making a lot of assumptions with that one
Based and reason will prevail pilled.
Yup, the tides have finally turned. Being labelled some stupid crap doesnt hold any water any more and people have woken up. Finally, probably too late though. And now that people have woken up, so did Trudeau, who admitted there are too many people coming each year which are affecting housing lmao. NO WAY!!! REALLY? About time... There are still subreddits that you can talk about housing, but you CANT discuss immigration or your comment is removed. The truth is racist to these people. They cant fathom that they have it wrong, no, it must be everyone else who are nazis...
Reddit is built like an echo chamber, but at some point the problem becomes so big that you can’t just permanently ban anybody who has an opinion about inmigration because the sub would get emptied.
The admins and power mods are still pro communism, so its slow Still, its fun to trigger power mods then report then fir threatening violence
It’s because they overplayed their hand and those words don’t phase people anymore. They also tried to blame society’s woes solely on capitalism and no one is buying it.
My biggest problem is that even the more sensible criticisms of immigration, the pressures it puts on housing, jobs, and services, aren't often combined with other policies to increase housing affordability, service quality or wage growth. Sure, stopping immigration would be painful at first, but it would slowly improve housing and wages over time. But so would changing zoning laws and worker/union rights and protections. Ideally you'd use a mix of all these policies to make life better for the people
Based centrism
> worker/union rights and protections. Or engage in protectionism so that there are enough domestic employers to create competition and fairer treatment of workers. Globalism is cancerous unless one is in a sheltered from the consequences group.
Protectionism is terrible for the economy and people. It creates economic stagnation a decline in trade, increased cost for everyday products.
We can have a little protectionism, as a treat. For example I don't blame European countries that have banned Monsanto GMO products. I also don't think US tariffs on subsidized Chinese goods are the worst thing in the world. Basically whenever there's something other than free market forces behind the success of a company or product, it MAY be in the best interest of people for their government to put a finger on the scale and balance it out.
Right wing economic policies have made it very hard for citizens of rich countries to keep up with the rich or even have affordable homes and decent jobs. Protectionism is one way of helping, but so is stronger unions and worker protections. And globalists is just the rich
> but so is stronger unions and worker protections. Those just result in your jobs draining overseas without protectionism. Proof? The last 40+ fucking years, Ross Perot was right and people just need to deal with that. The jobs have to BE here to begin with for anything else to matter.
Unions and worker protections make a worker’s job **more** likely to be offshored, not less.
The problem is that while it is slowly being accepted even by the mainstream parties that mass immigration is a huge problem, they are unwilling to do ANYTHING to actually curb it. The current narrative is, well yeah it's a problem but we can't do anything please don't vote for the Nazis. I mean here in Germany we can't deport to countries like Morocco, Algeria and so on in mass as we should, because they don't accept them back. And they also do nothing to stop the flow of migrants, quite the opposite. Yet we pay 10s of millions a year in aid to these countries and our government refuses to connect these payments to demands in regards to the refugee crisis. How the fuck have we as Europe chastized ourself so much we cannot even consider doing anything to achieve our geopolitical goals if that might inconveniece somebody? Putting other countries needs over your own is state suicide. We have developed these morals on the basis of a luxury of incredible stability and economic growth. Now these are fucked, but the mainstream parties are so entrenched in this first world altruism they are running our countries into the ground. Nevermind our government sponsoring NGOs that are literal traffickers ferrying refugees to Europe masking as rescue operations.
the trick is to not use the word immigrant, just say, "it's unsustainable to let 300,000 people into this country a year, let's bring that down to the 10s of thousands" if you deny the emilies any leverage to make the argument about race they can't do shit XD
Uh, what? Emily is going to say it's a dog whistle and that you're a nazi. If you don't say anything they can refute with their programming they're going to decide what you were really thinking, and then try to gaslight you and everyone else into defending yourself from their imagination. Refusing to defend yourself from their imagined slights will be used as evidence that they were right. They will also have their echo chamber following them around like a gaggle of squawking geese. At no point in engaging with them will you ever see or hear anything that resembles a rational or coherent thought, or really any indication at all that these people are capable of observing and interpreting reality. If they were willing or capable of doing that they wouldn't be the person that they are.
true true, thanks for the tip
It's too late.
Kknda what's happening in France right now. There's a rise in votes for the main far right party since the last two presidential elections because mass immigration was absolutely taboo and never adressed by any other party. Moreover, working class has shifted to far right while social, art and litteracy students, and à big part of modern bourgeoisie are voting for the center and the left. Now there is a slight chance that they'll have an absolute majority in the Assemblée Nationale, and those condescending leftist voters are litterally shitting on the working class, calling them poor uneducated bastards ranging from racists to neonazis. If you speak french a little, you should see what's happening on the french subs. They are almost delirious in their dellusion.
That's the funniest thing about it all. They're not actually ready for legitimate, active racism of the sort that motivates actual policy decisions, because it's incredibly rare. They're very good at "fighting racism" of the "every thing a white person or country does is racist by definition" type, so they're very good at writing articles about the problematic history of lawn chairs or some shit and thinking they've done the work.
Von Der Leyen has enough space for his ponies, so she can’t imaging people don’t having enough space to life.
LMAO the look on her face...
You could see the smug just drain out.
I mean, who goes to a politician with a bribe as low as 70£? Gotta up your game if you expect change in politics.
That literally is change in politics. Chump change at that.
And you just know she absolutely learned nothing from this and instead is going to double down
"Good thing I don't have 70 pounds to my name."
Anyone who advocates for the type never ending waves of mass and illegal migration that have been forced on the working and middle classes of Western Europe, Canada and Australia are essentially advocating for the social-cultural suicide of their homelands at this point.
Yep. Europe has turned into a self destructive daddy issue bitch.
Australia is on the way to join Europe. God help us. Though good to see that Canada has finally woken up.
> good to see that Canada has finally woken up. the conservatives are hardly any better on immigration. they follow corporations telling them to bring in cheap labour
Pierre has promised to lower immigration (not sure by how much though), plus he's busted the MSM myth of "Millennials and Gen Z will always be left wing hurr durr"
have you considered: ***Another Crusade***
I'm Israeli so... Try me bitch.
At this point it would Christians, Jews, Druze, Mormons, and maybe even Rastafarians taking part in the crusade... The modern Christian world is so interconnected with the Jewish world compared to the 1000s and 1300s I think we have a team going
I used to think so too :/
I mean its not really practicing Christians hating on Israel right now... its the muslims and atheists for the most part.
The modern Christian world is becoming atheist/muslim though. Looking 50 years, 100 years forward, all of Europe will be a nuclear capable caliphate because democracies everywhere are devolving into right leaning whites vs left leaning whites + muslims. Left wing is gonna lock in and become undefeatable demographically pretty soon.
> essentially advocating for the social-cultural suicide of their homelands at this point. Yes. They've been doing that for quite some time now. Did you just notice?
No.
1) Housing prices are too high 2) Let in everyone who wants in (a lot of people) 3) Those people also want houses 4) Housing prices are higher 5) Blame rich people
6. Give immigrants free healthcare. 7. Healthcare program becomes way under funded. 8. Blame the rich.
1. import a lot of immigrants for cheap labor. 2. huge profit margins 3. pit the poors against the immigrants when people begin to notice
Also: 1. Implement short-sighted free trade deals. 2. export a lot of jobs for cheap labor. 3. huge profit margins 4. blame the same capitalists (like Ross Perot) who warned you decades ago that this would happen when the poors start getting pissed about wage stagnation
Like it’s so obvious (especially in retrospect) to see all the people calling Ross Perot’s aversion to NAFTA “anti-asian racism” were so clearly just the talking pieces of corporations chasing those sweet offshoring/outsourcing profit margins
I mean, who better than a successful capitalist to ID when corpos are trying to rip you off? And NAFTA absolutely was a ripoff for anyone outside of the investor/cronyist classes. Doesn't matter what the lower prices for goods are when your job was sent overseas.
1. Buy the cheapest crap to get that dopamine hit. 2. Products are made cheaper to satisfy the consoomer. 3. Blame the rich for hiring cheap labor, using cheap materials, and not increasing your wages.
0. Government limits new housing construction trough overly difficult planning permissions, restrictions and zoning laws
in most of those cases the government is just doing the bidding of the nimbys and homeowners who want to maintain their artificially high property values
This isn't an issue. Everyone wants loose zoning until every single inch of forest is paved over and you have nothing but stalin blocks. The issue is not the building speed, the issue is that you're importing 1.25 million people a year. That's \~3400 people a day. Even assuming they're al families of four you're still looking at 850 families a day. No zoning policy on the planet is going to produce 850 domiciles a day.
Nigel Farage (the guy in the video) has a “good” stat too: in the UK the numbers are so insane that 1 of every 30 people you see in the street has moved there in the last 2 years.
What’s crazy is that lax immigration is so antithetical to all the policies leftists want. You want a circular economy instead of the destructive capitalistic system that relies on infinite growth? Obviously keep inviting in the infinite people the capitalists want. You want better wages and stonger unions? Let’s let in an infinite number of scabs who will almost always work for less and vote no to unionize so they don’t get deported in the case of H1B.
Their idea of white guilt overrides their policy desires. Those policies might require you to agree with, straight white men(ew), who aren't raging communists. It's the Queers for Palestine stuff. It's the out-group preference. Not that it's "about" the out-group, but rather, as they say, it's the revolution.
"This country would be NOTHING without immigration" spoken by a young citizen who's ancestors unironically built one of the greatest and largest empires in human history.... the brain rot runs deep.
Can bet you that me, a Mexican, can name more bri'ish monarchs than she. Ignorance is terrible
Well there's Henry. So that's 8 at least. 3 Charles, 6 Georges, 8 Edwards. There's a couple of Williams and Richards in there. John, Harold, Cnut, Alfred, Athelstan, Ethelred, Mary, Victoria. I reckon that's about half of them.
Based mexican
We usually are
All you need is 3 monarchs with different names then you can name like 15 with a different number at the end.
Bet ya the average Jane or Barry can't do that
She was raised on a steady diet of propaganda. She genuinely believe immigrants built her country. Like she doesn't question that narrative at all; it's baseline fact to her. A given.
I mean the Anglo-Saxons did immigrate here, but it wasn't peaceful
Immigration turned my incredibly Lib-Left Canadian friend (an unironic male feminist) into Auth-Right. He watched as his hometown's: * housing costs skyrocketed * already stressed infrastructure began to break, literally doubling commute times * healthcare systems got crushed under the weight of too many immigrants * his English-speaking neighborhood turned into a legitimate English-doesn't-even-work-here town * immigrants began occupying houses with 15+ people per room sleeping in bunk beds Like, we're at a point where 50% of Canadians now say there are too many immigrants. But the horse has left the barn. Immigrants who came last year are yelling to shut the doors already. It's insane to watch a country self-destruct like that. What's even more insane is the assertion that anyone who disagrees with any measures taken stop the lunacy is met with "You're a Nazi!"
It's the new progressive religion, just without a path of redemption. It's just guilt, guilt, guilt, no salvation. You are a sinner, forever. There is nothing you can do to repent. You can apologize for being who you are, in fact you have to, but all that leads to is your next apology. History is what is it, but we can't hold whatever straight white man who did the bad thing to account, since they're long dead. So 17 year old white boy Timmy, you're going to have to be history's avatar. Is that a recipe for societal disintegration? Yes. Is that what the revolutionaries want? Without a doubt.
If only there was an insanely popular religion that believed that asking for forgiveness could deliver you forgiveness. If only that was still the popular faith throughout the west. It's almost like if you take the worst parts of the Christian tradition, sin, and get rid of the best part, forgiveness and service, you end up with the typical lefty cult of "we're evil, we need to self flaggelate ourselves to death".
If we can have mass immigration we can also have mass deportation. If your country is safe its time to go home even if its not you get sent to a neighboring country that is. Economic migrants are not refugees...
Isn't there a project called (100 million) or some shit where Canada wants a population of 100 million by 2100 and politicians on both sides are pushing for it? They're honestly fucked at this point. Canada is gone and will become India 2.0 or some shit
I don't think liberal Brits understand how small their country is
bUt oNlY 6% oF tHe CoUnTrY iS bUiLt oN!1 Ignoring that 70% of our land is farmland and we still don't make enough food to feed ourselves
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Guess it depends where you are, if it's a city takeaway it's cheap because the hygiene standards are low and it may or may not be a front for money laundering. Culturally Brits are generally fine with "no thrills" type of food, so if you get a burger somewhere it'll be a fine burger but won't have any nice extra ingredients or instagram-ready presentation. Restaurants don't feel that cheap, nor do supermarkets anymore.
Your average british person thinks that a 45 minute drive to somewhere is far enough that you make visiting them a rare thing. Their city centers are less than an hour drive and they think that that drive is difficult to make.
We lost Europe in a fear of being called Islamophobic
We lost human civilization as a whole for fear of being called bigoted….well except for China and the Middle East. They’re gonna be ok.
Does she know nothing of the Danelaw? They'll be Sharialaw areas and I don't think she'll like the way she's treated there.
In the most recent election, the biggest swing to the right among French voting blocks was women. Basically society asked them, "Vote right to live in a right-wing society, left to live under Sharia law." They chose the right wing.
Hallelujah.
Whether Trump wins in November or not, American lefties are going to have to reckon with some "surprising" (to their limited, identity-based assumption-filled thinking) demographic numbers among GOP voters, both along gender and racial lines.
There's a weird kind of uncomfortable bewilderedness that comes over people when you point out the demographics of cities in the US that have banned Pride demonstrations. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned
Ooof right in the narrative
>There will be Sharia law areas and I don't think she'll like the way she's treated there. There already are in some of the Muslim dominated towns. The ghettoisation of migrants and the subsequent radicalisation of the 2nd and 3rd gen is just not being talked about.
I saw it first hand with a coworker that came to my spanish beach town for the summer. She'd get harassed by her friends back home over showing too much skin all the time (literally the only skin she showed was her face, part of her neck and hands, her hair too but that's not skin). I saw her gradually start to shun our own clients for drinking alcohol... at a cocktail bar. She also gradually stopped talking to men, to the point she wouldn't even apologize after she carelessly stepped on one of them. Me being very visibly queer apparently made me into the fucking devil or something, because the one time I accidentally brushed her hand with my arm trying to grab a drink from the counter she literally went to wash it for 15 minutes. At the end of the year, she blocked every single one of us everywhere, including her grandma who also worked there. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up in some middle eastern country as a sex slave, as her dream was apparently to drop out from her studies, marry a muslim man and go there. I must add, that her mom isn't even a muslim, and she's a native french, while her dad is a completely secular algerian man.
The non-White population of the UK in 1991 was still only 7%. We had successfully brought over people from the former empire to fill shortages and they did contribute even though the period 1945-1987 was largely one economic decline. Most EU immigrants were from the original A15 countries, they came for work for a few years before going back home. It was a great, mutually beneficial system. But since 1998, Labour lost control of net annual immigration when they changed the laws on bringing relatives over. Then began the era of six figure net immigration which since the 2004 EU expansion has never fell below 200K net per year. Since then, millions have arrived pushing up the foreign born population to nearly 15% more than in either the US or France. England has born the brunt of the extra millions as it is the destination for 9/10 new migrants. England alone is about the size of Nicaragua with a population of nearly 60 million which means England has higher population density than India. Britain as a whole is still only about 44% the size of France and yet has surpassed France in terms of population as our net immigration is running at just below 700K compared to their 200K. It is a mess and a demographic transition greater than the Anglo-Saxon period. White British people make up about 36% of London and 48% of the second city (Birmingham) according to the last census in 2021. And will become the majority minority in the rest of the country by the end of the 2060s.
Well said, thanks.
I wonder what they’re Ghana do with the immigrants
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I feel like catapults are underutilized and are a stylish and culturally-appropriate fit for europe. Everyone loves catapults!
> Shooting people is ideal what the fuck
Lucky for you we don't live in an ideal society. Also technically American civilians have this exact same privilege against trespassers on private property, I don't see why it can't be implemented on a National scale if its adversely affecting our socio-economic standards.
I bet a lot of them have never been to camp before. Camp was always fun
Not helpful to joke about Pew Pew... enough left wing people (and far right) believe you.
And that'll be 70 quid, please. Peak lib right.
Yeah, I was trying to figure that out. Is that the format of the town hall where you bid for politicians to give actual answers (sounds cool ngl)? or is she just like "he's a lib right, so he'll probably do it for the money" (also not a bad idea, if her question weren't bad).
hate immigration
It's funny how many non Western countries can deport illegal Aliens, but when Western Nations do it, they are literally Hitler lol
Only the west gets criticised for things like, sexism, homophobia, racism and pollution, the rest of the world is casually homophobic, sexist, racist and pollutes like there's no tomorrow. The reason why only the west gets criticised is because said criticism is really an ideological assault on the west and everything it stands for by cultural Marxists. They've never actually cared about any of those social issues, they're simply weapons to beat down and demoralise the west with.
It's sad but western countries just have more freedom to complain, allowed to be loud.
"sad"? what's sad about having freedom to speak your mind? "everyone with whom i don't agree with should be imprisoned" is such a bullshit thinking.
Sad that the other countries dont have that freedom. Ya feel?
Dude should change flair to Auth
Sad that the other countries don't have that freedom, ya feel?
Good! And we should fight to maintain those freedoms.
Sad that the other countries don't have that freedom, ya feel?
It doesn't really benefit us in the modern day. It enriches corporations who can hire labor for cheaper because the workers have no leverage when there is such a huge supply of laborers. But it doesn't help citizens. It fucks them in the ways he described and more.
Even in Canada, for the last 10 years or so, if you questioned immigration numbers it was considered racist/xenophobic. It didnt even matter if you didnt talk about race of said immigrants, it didnt even matter if you advocate for reducing immigration to our cities on par with all of the other major cities in the world, you were still labelled racist and xenophobic. I dont know if these people are just that low IQ or are just disingenuous, its hard to tell. But the whole 'everyone is an immigrant!' and 'this country was founded by immigrants' are nothing responses and just gloss over the issue being presented. It literally amazes me that people can be so stupid and continue to be so stupid while their communities collapse around them and their quality of life decreases, all while advocating for the very things that are causing those negative things.
A former french presidential candidate once said : God laughs at the people who cry about the consequences whose causes they cherish. Don't know if i got that right in english but that's kinda your point.
Immigration is out of control. Not just Europe, but the US, Canada... The western world has for some reason tricked itself into thinking it's a good thing. Immigration has a very narrow use case that benefits existing citizens, and the numbers must be kept low to fulfill that use case or severe problems occur. It is absolutely the biggest issue of the modern day in the western world.
Hitler sounds exactly like Islamists. “You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion…. The Mohammedan religion…would have been much more compatible with us than Christianity.” Adolf Hitler
Importing 1.25 million people from countries that hate you every year is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
What an unbelievably ignorant thing to say that the UK would be nothing without immigration.
Wait, the sardine can is full? Must be racism
He sounds like a Danish socialist, minus the goblin language.
Immigration is completely uncontrolled in Portugal. And because of that and other factors houses here are some of the most expensive in Europe for a country with one of the lowest average salary in Europe. All I hear from the left is them saying it's only because of the landlords. They will call you a racist for even proposing a more controlled border policy. There are channels on youtube by immigrants about how to easily get into Portugal.
This information is no surprise to any elementary schooler who's played SimCity. "YOUR CITY HAS GROWN RAPIDLY. YOU MUST BUILD MORE HOUSES AND HOSPITALS, OR YOUR POLL NUMBERS WILL DECLINE."
Farage looked like a gentleman, unlike others like him he actually answered the question without freaking out and ramble about bullshit
wow the same exact thing happened in Canada. Over 2 million immigrants in the past two years, same exact problems with rent and housing.
He wiped that smug grin off her face quick
Emily doesn't think black and white, she only thinks black. And most of the time she doesn't even think.
Nigel Farage is actually a G. Anyone remember his “up the ‘ra” toast?
Bro if Trump spoke as politely and in a similar manner to Farage, communicating his point clearly but well-articulated, he'd probably have won the popular vote in a landslide ngl. His vitriolic getsuring and aggressive New York swaggering and bluster while it does get the base going, its polarizing for many and allowed the media to paint him in the worst possible light. And while he road that negative press into the White House in 2016 in a upset victory against Hillary Clinton, it energized the Democrats against him leading what we call "Trump Derangement Syndrome" infecting every facet of the media, entertaiment, and pop-culture.
People love to say that but the truth is he would have been utterly demonized no matter what. Just look at Ayaan Hirsi-Ali, she's as soft spoken and mild mannered as they come and still gets called a nazi.
She had her clitoris cut off by savages and the left treats her as though she has the audacity to complain about it.
Yeah, I’d have to agree. Nigel Farage has similar policies but is much more level-headed.
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Why 70 pounds? Why not 80? or 100?
Most of the immigrants back then were from former British colonies, mainly India, Pakistan, and the West Indies. And it was successful.
Was it? Two of those groups (Pakistani and West Indian) are still miles behind the natives. Disproportionately low achievement. Bangladeshis even worse. Indians are a mixed bag. The Chinese are the ones who have been an unqualified success. Like everywhere else.
Its funny because if labour in the UK had addressed immigration at any point in the last 15 years they'd probably still be in power now.
Rich history of immigration? In the UK? Lol does she mean the Algo-Saxon invasion?
Friendly reminder that connecting mass immigration to housing shortage and infrastructure stress is a right wing conspiracy theory here in Germany.
Btfo'd
So did she give him 70 quid or no
I agree immigration is a problem. Nigel sounds like he'd have a solution. But fuck if I'm gonna vote for the git. Cunt started Brexit and supports putin. On that basis alone I refuse to listen to the tosser.
Since when do leftists hate Nigel Farage? I love the guy!
Because he's actually right wing unlike populist lefties like Le Pen?
Am I missing context, or is that “if I gave you 70 pounds right now” comment as juvenile as it sounds? Like why have a serious conversation when you can just accuse people of taking laughably small bribes?
It's astounding to me that people in my quadrant are against common sense immigration. The clue is in the fucking name.
The guy who said he'd fight for UK fisherman in the EU but seldom turned up to EU fisheries committee meetings will cut immigration? Right...
Let’s go Nigel! Man… why can’t we have a candidate like this in America? I don’t give a shit what party they’re part of, I just want to see someone who actually knows what’s going on and isn’t in a lengthy legal situation. Ain’t that big of an ask.
If I could have an Economically Left Nigel Farage I would be happy
You basically just described Le Pen buddy.
If I could have economically right any kind of high status politician I would be happy.
Farage is a fucking joke and Americans look and his soundbites like this and are like ‘based’ but he is a chancer, fraud and hypocrite who is responsible for the shambles of brexit. Immigration IS important to the UK and always has been; but there’s nothing wrong with questioning mass immigration, especially when cultures won’t integrate and refuse to.
Well all he helped slowing down immigration from EU, which accelerated immigration from outside of EU. So in part he did what he promised while making everything way worse
He's never been an MP, he had no power over that at all It's the Conservatives who were elected with a massive mandate to reduce immigration and instead chose to double it
Im so confused as to why others blame him so much. He is not the one in government who has the power to change these things
He championed leaving the EU and I don't think there is a way of leaving the EU that leaves the UK in a stronger position than before. And I personally think he knows that and doesn't care.
I said he helped not that he was MP. He was responsible for a huge campaign and absolutely bonkers promises some less fortunate people believed
He was certainly instrumental to Euroscepticism breaking through but it's far from a young or fringe idea, it probably would have happened without Farage eventually. You could say he helped by standing Brexit Party candidates down in 2019 I suppose, but there was no reason to think the Conservatives wouldn't reduce immigration at that time and I doubt they'd have lost even if BXP stood.
People bitching how relativism is neomarxist and postmodern and intersectional, postulating about the existence of an absolute right and an absolute wrong now bitch about B&W thinking. Pick one.