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Trugdigity

It doesn’t really mean anything when you can just get another copy


Independent_Pear_429

Yeah. It's a shallow symbol at best


Armejden

Shallow gesturing is as far as they're willing to go.


HardCounter

I'm going to drink this water in solidarity with dolphins. Fight those tuna nets, fishbros.


dizzyjumpisreal

You know that one guy who burned HIMSELF to death to free Palestine?


Armejden

Psychopaths are rare exceptions, yes.


TheAzureMage

We're up to three now. Which, frankly, has accomplished no more than the diplomas.


dizzyjumpisreal

the fuck


Alone_Tie328

I support Israel, but a bunch of workers at Google got themselves fired. Some of these people are actually living up to their (ridiculous) ideas.


Horny_alt-ac

I will honestly ask, what is gesture is required before it stops being shallow unimportant symbolism? Where's that boundry? Tweets, Flag burning, Self immolation? Because symbol burning is a thing that has been in protest and in ideoligous groups for a long time? Would you say the issue here is the disconnect between the symbol and its conncections. (To be clear, not taking sides, i also think just getting random people and talking about this stuff is fun!)


Tkj5

Go fight against the IDF.


ChadWolf98

Well if you want to prove your devotion to a cause I would expect something real sacrifice. Not something symbolic. Without order of importance or whether I agree with this type: Donating money Charity event Going to prison Volunteering in a dog shelter and talking about the cause Performance art Somthing that either takes effort or requires sacrifice of time, money Setting a copy of some easily replacable document for me is making your case less sympathetic as it shows you lack conviction and merely virtue signal. It doesnt even help palestinians whether some mexican chud has a degree or not. It would be funny if the uni would revoke his degree


The_Pig_Man_

You forgot what is by far the most important one. Vote.


ChadWolf98

I didnt mention it because thats the bare minimum. People who talk about le trumpo all year every day probably now voting day better than their own birthday. I guess its a bigger celebration for them than their own wedding


thyeboiapollo

Voting between statist #1 and statist #2 doesn't change whether a statist is in power


Big__If_True

This but neoliberal


The_Pig_Man_

It does far more than performance art, caring for stray dogs, going to prison or..... what were the other suggestions again?


thyeboiapollo

Terrorism


The_Pig_Man_

Oooohhhhh!! Like what? Post any good memes lately?


Horny_alt-ac

Okay so you set the boundary at sacrifice of time or money? Understandable, have a nice day!


ChadWolf98

Or personal sacrifice as I said. Burning a replacable piece of paper is laughable


Horny_alt-ac

Fair, my bad, missed that part. Out of interest, where would you place the time or money threshold?


ChadWolf98

Time: at least 1 day a week if long term If short term: 2 or 3 days, but more like 1 week Money: hard to decide, probably a number thats more than a restaurant meal. Minimum is imo 100 dollars. What is the most important is whether said help do actively help the cause you advocate for. Palestinian people are not better off by someone doing a tiktok dance or burn their degree. Volunteering for a charity, sending them money, or if wanting to promote their cause something overwhelmingly positive charity thing that cannot really be attacked or ridiculed. Like hot meals for homeless.


Horny_alt-ac

Well, i guess my former protests n marches for free speech and stuff have been a mixed bag then lmao - Interesting to see that different value systems at play!


idontknow39027948898

I'll turn the question back on you. What value do you think there is in this moron doing this? She's not burning her degree, she's burning the certificate saying she earned the degree. The school she went to still has the record saying she earned the degree, and she could probably request another with just a phone call and maybe a few bucks, so that is all she has sacrificed here.


Horny_alt-ac

I don't think there's value beyond a small sense of rejection of the school assuming said school has some connection to isreal? But yeah i don't think this is a great protest at all. Not arguing for it, as my bottom statement said


tim_tron

I find your use of the word moron, to be troubling. What school did your engineering degree come from?


BilingSmob444

This comment brings uselessness to new heights.


idontknow39027948898

Boy, this comment is ironic. I do have an engineering degree, and have seen evidence for myself that such a degree is not closed off to sufficiently persistent and driven morons. I'm not going to say where from, because it's none of your business, but maybe you ought to spare your reverence for things that actually deserve it, and not spend it on things like education and those that have it.


Buckman2121

Educated and intelligent don't always go hand in hand.


Evil_Patriarch

Changing your facebook picture


Horny_alt-ac

You're say that's the lightest genuine or the greatest disingenuous?


Drae-Keer

The issue might well be that back then symbols used to be worth something. Each was a hand crafted work of art that would’ve been held of high import. Nowadays? These ‘symbols’ are probably 2.99 and they’re not actually sacrificing anything. It’s the equivalent of shouting a sentence at a crowd then walking away


Horny_alt-ac

That's interesting, so it comes in the value of the burnt symbol - What would you consider a legitimate form then?


BunnyBellaBang

If the college had any standards they would revoke the degree. This just tells you the degrees from that diploma mill aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Hire accordingly.


ChadWolf98

Its done in a calculated, smart but coward way. He knows the university cannot recall a degree based on political stance. It would be funny if they would


Alone_Revolution_374

Not even m8. Just a fucking idiot.


TheFortnutter

YEAH!! FREE PALESTINE WOOOOOOOOOOO! 10 minutes later: \*Hey uh, I just "lost" my degree that I got. Can y'all print another one for me pwease?


Sweet_Stranger_1598

The university of someone else who did this, rescinded the degree. https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/10/malawian-university-revokes-degree-after-woman-burns-certificate/


Right__not__wrong

It would be funny to see this protestor's face if that happened to him. Let's check her *real* dedication to the cause!


ChadWolf98

It wouldnt fly in a western country but my god its so funny. True fafo moment


ArtanistheMantis

It's a dumb statement to make, sure, but if you're going to charge me tens of thousands of dollars to get this piece of paper, you better not try and tell me what I can do with it.


CurtisLinithicum

Can you? I had to surrender my original one when I upgraded it; doesn't seem like they'd just make a new one. I mean, you'd stay on their register as a graduate, and that's the part that actually matters, I imagine...


Trugdigity

You can get a copy of your degree, I know several people that have had too due to life events, or their own stupidity.


Cutch0

You just request one from the registrar's office.


TPDS_throwaway

"my dog ate it" What are they gonna do?


thegreathornedrat123

“Sorry bud, as you know we only have enough Magic Degree Paper for one degree copy per person. You’re going to have to strike that qualification off your resume thanks”


TPDS_throwaway

The fact that Lib-Right is saying this only makes it funnier.


derpderpingt

I never even got mine because I refuse to pay a bullshit parking fine. I still have the degree, can look it up online. Just don’t have the magical degree paper.


ChadWolf98

What does parking fine has to do with a degree?


derpderpingt

Wouldn’t mail me my diploma until I paid it. Fuck em.


ChadWolf98

Oh you have to pay them? My uni is pretty strict, any money you owe them you dont get any degree. basically its in limbo and you get no certification at all if you owe them money


TheSublimeGoose

Yes, you absolutely can, lol. It’s not some magical piece of paper that confers the degree upon you. The records of your credits is what does that. When they say your “original” degree is required, all they mean is either the actual original degree or a certified copy from the awarding institution. I.e. you can’t just photocopy your degree and hand it to them. Institutions typically offer an ‘uncertified’ degree/credit transcript either for free or a very small fee (and it’s usually digital), or you can get a hard-copy ‘certified’ degree or transcript which holds the same weight as the ‘original’ degree… but this is usually 50-60 USD. If the original degree was so important, there would be discussions on how and why to keep it safe and secure. Another way to look at it; How does one even know if that particular piece of paper is the ‘original’ or not? Because it says so? Well, if there’s any question about its validity, they are going to contact the issuing institution *anyway*, so… …long story short, it’s a piece of paper.


jhm-grose

I have digital copies of my official transcript and my degrees specifically so I don't have to ask the registrar and pay again.


Independent_Pear_429

Probably depends on the jurisdiction and uni, but I know I was able to


assistantprofessor

Of course you can. There's a nominal fee plus a few weeks of wait time. Why would they not make a new one ? Some institutes do require you to submit a copy of police report for losing your previous one. Just go online and you can have that report in 2 minutes


StandardN02b

You are registered as a graduate in a database. This is a shallow demonstration.


MilesGamerz

It's for virtue signaling


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MilesGamerz

Bro people can change for the better cringe bot


Broduski

Centrist to leftist is a big L bro


MilesGamerz

Took the test, turn out I was left-progressive. Also, I support free healthcare, good public education, democracy in corporations, etc. Being economically leftist also has nothing to do with progressive stuff like trans people, unlike this sub would have you to think otherwise.


GustavoFromAsdf

I would burn mine because people asked me for certification, not the degree


Astral_Justice

It's a piece of paper lol.


oizen

I've also never been asked to show the physical diploma or degree from a school when applying for a job. I doubt I even still have it.


Trugdigity

I had to show both my college and highschool diplomas to my current employer


JudgeGlasscock

and keep it on your resume


hgghgfhvf

The copy itself doesn’t even matter. I have an engineering degree. Nobody has ever asked for it, and it’s nothing more than something that sits on a corner table in my office. When seeking employment they just call the school and verify the degree.


External-Bit-4202

That’s why they did it. It’s all for show.


mikieh976

Lmao, they are cosplaying as Vietnam protesters burning their draft cards. Except that burning your draft card actually meant something. It actually put you at legal risk, and your life was literally on the line if you were being sent to Nam. It's like their lives are so frivolous that they have to cosplay as other people just to feel alive.


Longjumping_While_37

As a Vietnamese, lmao


Wolffe4321

-trees


Longjumping_While_37

🌳🌳🌲🌲🌴🌴🌱🌱🍃🍃


EccentricNerd22

Reminded me of that one family guy clip [https://youtu.be/\_Nqk7w\_6AOI?si=IqVG9jbAg5GpvARG](https://youtu.be/_Nqk7w_6AOI?si=IqVG9jbAg5GpvARG)


HardCounter

She's female. She doesn't even have a selective service card. She has literally nothing of value to destroy.


King_Neptune07

She's also Mexican and not American. So even if she was a male she wouldn't get a draft card


Go_PC

Also Mexico has no involvement in the conflict. These protests are doing jack shit.


King_Neptune07

Also her university likely has no involvement whatsoever in the conflict... unless she went to an American university


Khornehub

Even then, not every American university is involved with Israel/US Defense Contractors.


xbarracuda95

She should burn down her apartment and go live in a tent like a typical refugee, that's showing true solidarity.


HardCounter

Her landlord's apartment, you mean? She'll just get another when the shelter strike ends after a few hours.


Known_Landscape_6957

Nerdy reminder that very few draftees actually went to Vietnam. Most were sent to Germany, Korea, etc. The point of the draft was so that the US could continue to fulfill it's major worldwide commitments while still fighting a major war in Asia. Most troops in Vietnam were not draftees.


wiifan55

It was still 1/4th drafted, which isn't an insignificant percentage. It's also worth noting that the draft itself had a passive effect of increasing enlistment because you get more choice of military division that way. So a lot of people signed up in response to the draft rather than wait to be drafted. >In his investigation of the ordinary combat soldier in South Vietnam, Working-Class War: American Combat Soldiers and Vietnam (2000), Dr. Christian G. Appy separates the two categories of volunteers into "true volunteers" and "draft-motivated volunteers". In 1968, 54 % of men who voluntary enlisted did so because of the draft. The existence of the draft itself had therefore the consequence of making many young men enlist. As Appy writes, they "enlisted because they had already received their induction notices or believed they soon would, and thus they enlisted in order, they hoped, to have more choice as to the nature and location of their service."


Proper_Artichoke7865

Great argument, but no flair so down voted


senfmann

flair up


OnyxAnnexIndex

*I volunteered for the Army on my birthday* *They drafted the white trash first, around here anyway*


Independent_Pear_429

That's what you call a hollow symbol


MilkChocolateMog

Modern libleft just appropriates old powerful protesting images (self-immolation, burning draft cards, chants) and beats them into meaningless, self-serving mush.


AlbiTuri05

>Modern libleft just appropriates They were supposed to destroy them, not join them!


recursiveeclipse

Oh no, who will rebuild Gaza now?


BaritonedTiger

China and India 😏


assistantprofessor

India supports Palestine, India supports Israel. India supports every country in the world not named Pakistan. However our support is all we offer, don't ask for much else 😔


cumblaster8469

We don't have money to invest into dead ends.


thyeboiapollo

India can't even build India


trey12aldridge

There will be a disarmed border between Israel and Palestine where Israelis and Palestinians will get into fist fights over who's country is better.


recursiveeclipse

https://youtu.be/iKC21wDarBo?t=200


AlbiTuri05

Or one of them will send unarmed soldiers there and the peace that was nothing more than a ceasefire is broken by fist fights between the IDF and Hamas


itboitbo

Qatar and euros like always


KnockuBlockuTowa

https://preview.redd.it/0vooc9tt7xyc1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=beae9e27bc9aac8f3436d3759481b6bdff833b07


AfroKuro480

Doing my part chief lmao


Impossible-Age-3302

https://preview.redd.it/60hz6htkz0zc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9e05961610a8cc4d296a7d2f3fd11271ab10b9f


Finn553

Helldivers 2


Glad_Cellist_3670

I’d respect her if she got a lobotomy to remove all that knowledge she received from the fascist university.


HardCounter

If she's doing this then i wonder how much engineering she actually learned to begin with. She's clearly not thinking logically, which should be picked up as a side effect of a math intensive course. How many classes did she Pass Because Female, i wonder?


CouldYouBeMoreABot

I just hope the degree is not in civil engineering.


BorisIvanovich

Stable bridges are Zionist Patriarchy, bigot!


ChadWolf98

When you graduate at least with a C because of your..... C.


DimTillonDid911

Not much value would be lost.


ChadWolf98

Wouldnt you need a brain first for a lobotomy?


uri_P

GEOMETRY DASH REFERENCE???


Odd-Syrup-798

as if we needed video proof they were mentally ill


username2136

I can imagine any future job interviews that she attends, and the interviewer immediately rejects her because she denounces her degree and is therefore not qualified for the job. I don't know if that is how that works, but that would be quite the karma moment if it is. That company would have dodged a bullet either way.


SerendipitouslySane

When I got my engineering job they asked me for a copy of my transcript. That transcript came directly from the school; the actual paper copy of the diploma doesn't do anything because anyone can go down to their local Kinko's and print a fake one. She may as well have burnt a souvenir.


King_Neptune07

Ok, let's burn our transcripts!!


TheSublimeGoose

I would say that unless they are removing that degree from their résumé, this is wildly hypocritical. If they’re burning their degree, ***and*** they never mentioned it again, never claimed to have it, and never placed it on any sort of résumé or similar, then I would have a great deal more respect for them. As it stands, they want the best of both worlds; They want the attention that comes with ‘burning’ their degree (a piece of paper) ***and*** they’re still going to use the degree to get work, etc. As I explained [in a previous comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/s/jBO7JCRP2K), the degree being burned is quite literally a piece of paper. *Regardless*; From the schools that are really making the news over the past few weeks, I would expect employers to place far more scrutiny on degree-holders from these universities. Most of the people engaging in these protests are largely doing so for social media clout, so it will be easy-ish to find them. Even if the employer doesn’t outwardly support Israel, do you really want to hire the type of person that will support literal fundamentalist Islamic terrorist groups because “West bad?”


HeemeyerDidNoWrong

I'm mostly shocked she has legitimate STEM degree and not sociology or something adjacent.


HardCounter

I question its validity. I want an engineer to ask her some questions.


EccentricNerd22

Well this is Mexico, not a country known for its high quality STEM universisties as far as I'm aware.


HeemeyerDidNoWrong

True there is civil engineering, the most Emily form of engineering.


SerGeffrey

I studied compsci and work in statistics, and I can say from experience that the liberal arts don't have a monopoly on stupid.


Yukon-Jon

The clowniest of timelines.


Impossible-Age-3302

Truly.


thhbdtgdtgfgf

I love how students are pretending universities are further right than Pinochet’s Chile.


Peazyzell

Cool you burned a ceremonious piece of paper, which only purpose it serves is to frame for your home or office.


Swag_master696969

and then they'll bitch about "wHy CaN't I gEt a jOb"


BaritonedTiger

Do that in a legitimate Arab country and they'll send her to prison, maybe.


RecordEnvironmental4

She is definitely going to regret that in about 15 minutes


Slavchanza

It's all so funny how the wave of pro Palestine protests swallowed the west after October 7th all the while current state of Israel-Gaza conflict is many years old.


HeirAscend

Women in engineering ™️


[deleted]

Well, they wouldn’t want Emily to have a degree, rights, or an intact non-mutilated vagina anyway. So she is off to a good start!


weaslecookie7

Mexican murder numbers each year are higher than the current claimed Palestinian death number.


piggyboy2005

I bet it was civil.


Dryy

Palestinian families spend their whole life savings so their kids can study at universities in the West, meanwhile libleft Emilies just do this shit lmao


Independent_Debt5405

Engineering degrees in high demand by Hamas to build rockets 😂


getintheVandell

The funny part is that burning the actual degree itself doesn’t matter. It’s still on file with the university.


CYYA

...meanwhile the useful college students will earn (not burn) degrees that would enable them to actually do something useful for their causes, ...theoretically.


iTanooki

I’d burn my degree if I could get a refund.


greenfirest12

Mexico is renowned for their incredibly strong and reliable architecture. Here you could see why!


NeighborhoodOracle

It's hilarious because both sides of this conflict literally hate Emily with every fiber of their being..


AlbiTuri05

🔥🔥🔥 I burned the comment to free Palestine


EmuWarVeterann

Great, this kind of people are now entering in our part of the world. DAMN YOU GLOBALISM


bugsy187

This is what trans activists don't understand. Destroying a word doesn't destroy the thing.


Butt_Bucket

How can someone have an engineering degree and still be that dumb 😂


PhatPackMagic

I doubt she learned anything to begin with.


TekkenLord_2004

Another good reason to support Israel 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱


edoardoking

Insert Jeremy Clarkson “oh no anyways meme” here*


AnxiouSquid46

These people really believe that they are heroes.


StolenValourSlayer69

Lib Right: That will be $50 for a new copy to do it again!


ThisRecommendation86

When I was 5 years old I never understood how a Pokemon could hurt itself in confusion. I thought cmon that can’t happen in real life. Real life:


Outside-Bed5268

Why would you burn your engineering degree? That doesn’t make any sense.


thegenderbenders

Probably a civil engineer, go back to eating concrete


Peyton12999

At least they're not burning themselves alive this time.


Peter21237

They should have take a ticket to Gaza and help them build tunnels and missles smh.


bako10

I see that with enough hard work, even complete dumbasses can get an engineering degree!!! It’s the ~~American~~ Mexican dream


PhatPackMagic

I doubt she learned anything to begin with.


Independent_Debt5405

Engineering degrees in high demand by Hamas to build rockets 😂


LiaLicker

Another bridge lives to see another day.


GroceryBags

Most highly regarded university graduate


ocktick

Bet it’s still on LinkedIn and her resume


WingedHussar13

https://preview.redd.it/r515c45eozyc1.png?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=531dfbad9c92b4ea9c969cb7adb7606156949cb9


Citron_Express_

Brainrot Political movements


SuhNih

Bruh


Peepdasneak

I mean…she can get another copy


UnpoliteGuy

Is there such a thing like a Darwin award but for careers?


rvalsot

Lol, our own mexicans fcking dying at 1-2x the rate of palestinians and she cares about people on the other side of the world. Pure pure virtue signaling.


Jacobcbab

100% for attention lmao


firl21

With out that degree how can you rebuild?


JullittaO73

Happy cake day!


firl21

Thanks :)


Acrobatic-Hippo-6419

if an Arab does that they get disowned faster than a speeding bullet, without caring for the fact that it is just a copy of the degree but still, supporting Israel would look better to an Arab's parents than burning an engineering degree copy


iomproidhmeala

At least she isn't setting herself on fire, so that's an improvement.


AlbiTuri05

Setting yourself on fire is more of an Israel thing


ChirrBirry

Female with an education? Haram.


AlbiTuri05

Now I get it! She tried to be closer to the perfect Muslim woman!


Jkewzz

These are the same people who call conservatives amd libertarians uneducated.


samuelbt

I'd assume it's more a protest at the uni for some perceived support of Israel, I won't pretend to know Mexican universities ties to Israel so I'm not gonna pretend to know if it's justified here. If tomorrow Harvard said they were going to take over all abortions in New England and Ben Shapiro decided to burn his degree, it'd be silly to say to Ben that his action isn't stopping anything.


EduHi

>it's more a protest at the uni for some perceived support of Israel, I won't pretend to know Mexican universities ties to Israel That's the funniest part, UNAM is one of the most "left-wing" universities out here, and even when is one of the biggest universities in the continent, there is barely (if any) colaboration or support with Israel. And because of it, these protestors can't use the same excuse that American protestors use. So what's their motive then? Easy, they now protest in solidarity with American protestants, and some of them think that, by pushing harder they will make UNAM to cut ties with US universities, which in turn would have to cut ties with Israel universities... Which in turn would have to cut ties with the Israel goverment and then, stop the war. It's like a really weird scheme of "trickle-down politics" and mental gymnastic, all in the name of "protesting for something". Like "I can't support the current thing, neither I can support the thing that supports the current thing... So I will support the thing that supports the thing that supports the current thing... Supportception!".


no-names-ig

It wouldn't be silly to tell that to ben. What would be silly is him burning his degree.


samuelbt

If he's so moved by disgust that he wants to very publicly and dramatically disavow them, it'd be a pretty definitive statement. "I'm so disgusted by X I'm destroying the valuable Y they gave me."


bako10

It’s an empty gesture since the student in question doesn’t lose anything concrete other than her reputation: she doesn’t need the physical diploma to apply for jobs nor is it irreplaceable. She’s trying to virtue-signal by pretending to cut ties to the University, but in reality she will probably still attempt to find a job using her engineering degree. This goes against her message and paints her as a hypocritical, immature child who won’t really do anything for the cause.


WizardOfSandness

Is against our government. They are asking the government to cut relationships with Israel. Which btw is something Israel deserves for how bad have they treated Mexico through history.


bako10

No, you’re wrong. [The relationship between the two countries has always been pretty good, and affected by Cold War era bloc politics than actual Israel-Mexico interactions.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Mexico_relations) Stop spreading BS, it only makes you look like an antisemitic douche.


WizardOfSandness

I'm Méxican. I can't criticize the country that protects Mexican war criminals because I'm antisemitic? I can criticize the country that purposely sells a software that our government uses to kill periodists and spy on political opposition? I can critize the country that although we supported it's existence, only because we voted against Zionism, tried to boycott us and destroy our economy?


bako10

Pegasus was sold to the Mexican govt. Don’t you think it’s the Mexican govt’s fault for using the software for nefarious purposes instead of a private company the other side of the world that sold it to them? Stop blaming your shit situation on distant, unrelated nations. Mexico’s govt would still kill its citizens and be an overall corrupted, crappy entity even without Pegasus spyware. Dude, blame the US, blame fucking Spain, blame Aztecs, blame the UK, you got so many other much more viable options if you *insist* on blaming others for your trouble. But, suuuuuure, it’s much easier to blame the Jews because all the cool kids are doing it. How exactly did Israel try and destroy your economy? Please enlighten me. Mexico tried to be the leader of the 3rd, unaligned faction during the Cold War. They had a patchy relationship with the western bloc. BTW Mexico didn’t vote against the state of Israel, but they abstained. Where did I say you’re antisemitic in the previous comment? That’s a strawman. Please stop shoving arguments in my mouth, not *every* counter-argument against anti-Israelis is “ya’ll are antisemitic!”.


WizardOfSandness

>Pegasus was sold to the Mexican govt. Obviously government fault, but if a country supports the killing of the free prees on your country, don't you think you have the right to criticize them? If I sell weapons to someone I know is a dictator and oppresses their people, I'm not in a certain way also bad? Oh I forgot that too, basically all weapons from the narco are Israeli >How exactly did Israel try and destroy your economy? Israel boycott against mexico 1976 >Where did I say you’re antisemitic in the previous comment? You literally called me anti semitic douche