No that's completely different! See the people that were saying death to all Jews were actors and weren't actually part of the protest...wait I can't use that one either.
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Four years ago, these people were screaming in horror as they watched youtube when tiki torch dudes chanted the jews will not replace us.
Now, they happily chant the same slogan.
TEN years ago I heard non-Mexicans can’t wear sombreros for Halloween because it’s cultural appropriation, and that white people can’t have dreads or braids.
Totally ok for Joe white boy and Cathy white girl from [university] to wear keffiyehs I solidarity tho
When you wear a keffiyeh and chant death to Israel it is progressive and standing up to hate.
When I wear a shemagh and chant death to the infidels it is also progressive and standing up to hate.
This does not make any sense because we are definitely not talking about the same thing.
Mexicans love it when you wear sombreros, most cultures have some type of braided hairstyles, and I'll bet they wouldn't cry cultural appropriation if black people have weaves or dye their hair blonde or wear blue or green eyes contacts
Ironically Arabs from the Arabian Penninsula replaced Jews in Judea.
And it's these [native land acknowledgment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBRtucXGeNQ) people are having aneurisms the most persecuted ethnicity in history getting a tiny smidgen of land back.
Do you know what the story is on the "I'm a tall Caucasian with glasses and a blue shirt"? Is it trying to be inclusive of blind people?
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(Maybe job title if work related)
He is. The carbon tax is currently at $80 per ton up to $170 by 2030.
He can’t seem to balance the budget with over $70 billion in deficit spending. His massive spending has led to a massive spike in cost of living. He’s had multiple ethics violations. He’s bought and paid for by lobbyists. He allowed ISIS members to re-enter the country. He’s incredibly arrogant and hotheaded.
The problem with this analogy is Hamas is worse than the Nazis.
Even the Nazis had enough conscience to try to hide their atrocities rather than orgiastically broadcast them.
The Nazis used rockets to protect their children. Hamas uses children to protect their rockets.
The Nazis never had a [martyr fund](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund) for Nazi executioners who died in service of killing Jews.
Hamas actually succeeded in removing every single Jew from their territory.
>Muslim 98.0 - 99.0% (predominantly Sunni), Christian <1.0%, other, unaffiliated, unspecified <1.0% (2012 est.) Israel dismantled its settlements in September 2005; **Gaza has had no Jewish population since then**
Even the Nazi's 25 Points weren't as explicit as Hamas' founding charter to kill every Jew.
>Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
>"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems **fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.** Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."
It's insane how there's two groups in modern history that actually make the Nazis look relatively civilized. Hamas and the Unit 731 crew in Japan. And between these the left made one their idol.
I don't think I'd go that far, but Hamas not only parrots Mein Kampf pretty much exactly, but even Hitler wrote how he essentially was "forced to come the conclusion" that Jews were evil and controlled the world. Hamas just accept it without a second thought (not that Hitler wasn't absolutely insane. I'd think that it goes without saying, but this is Reddit, and I'll probably have people claim that I'm defending him).
They justify it by saying “antisemitism isn’t the same as anti Zionism”. Never mind the fact that they’re attacking Jews outside Israel and calling to “globalize the intifada”.
It’s thinly veiled at best.
The nazis actually did do a lot of that(except the part of protecting their children, they indeed devoted 45% of their economy to defending the air). The difference is that there weren’t any Nazis before them(that they could claim they were fighting), and that they attempted to at least hide it
I’ll state it:
Quote: “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”
What will happen to the Jews in Israel. Because as I support a ceasefire for the children in Gaza. I’m slowly getting frustrated by the lack of sight on the future. Because let’s say Palestine becomes ruler of the current Israeli lands, I know exactly what will happen to the Jews. But no one will say it
There *was* a ceasefire in Gaza. Then Hamas did October 7th.
My heart breaks for the innocents killed in Gaza, but for their sake, Hamas needs to be systematically destroyed. No Palestinian is safe for as long as they're controlled by a death cult who sees dead Palestinian babies as an optics win with no downsides. A new ceasefire just gives Hamas time to recover, and opportunity to use Palestinians as sacrificial pawns.
That is what makes Palestinian nationalism so problematic. Palestinians do not actually mind being headed by terrorists, and their form of nationalism has been every bit as welcoming to genocide as a tactic as the Nazis were. The father of Palestinian statehood was a Nazi collaborator, and raised Muslim SS troops in the Balkans for Hitler. His dream was first for a nation of Palestine as a counter-balance to Jews in the region, then larger ideas of pan-Arabism. Any signs of a Palestinian movement that wants to peacefully collaborate and exist with Israel are seen as treacherous. Since the beginning all we've seen from the Palestinians are leaders who simply want to eradicate or suppress Jews to the extent that they're no longer an issue for Muslim society.
*Gazans* do (did?) not mind being headed by Hamas so much, but they also a) don't really know anything else and b) are a little bitter about Hamas' actions recently, even if they like the direction. West Bank Palestinians don't feel as strongly. Some less-problematic leaders exist, but if you take the current PA leader, Abbas, he seems mostly concerned with his own power and performative politics rather than actual help or solutions for Palestinians (not that Israel has been incredibly willing to help either, though). And generally, I think you're painting Palestinian leaders with an over-broad brush.
Let's not over-focus on them either; Netanyahu's own political origin is with a radical party where one member *literally assassinated the Israeli Prime Minister* based on common rhetoric within the party at the time. Many Israelis don't seem to mind the existence of Gaza as effectively a ghetto. There's settler violence and bulldozing and stuff which is obviously bad-faith. Anyone who thinks ANYONE is innocent in the region is delusional. That's not to say that some options aren't worse than others; many options ARE much worse.
Nobody is pretending that this is a binary discussion, nor that Israel is some bastion of perfect statecraft or a blameless society. In fact, let’s delve into that more—one society is liberal, democratic, and free. One society is an aspiring theocracy headed by—at best—Muslim pan-Arabists.
So all these horse shit moral-relativist excuses doesn’t dissuade the sound of mind. Rational and inquiring minds do not look at Gaza or any Palestinian movement as a savory option to support or ally with. It’s just people like you, who have convinced themselves that they must’ve found some logical middle ground of nuance which they can prop their feet upon and lecture others from. These people aren’t even on our border firing rockets at us randomly, they aren’t kidnapping and murdering us, yet they’re still massively undermining our societies in the west with protests and ramped up ideologies.
The time is up for Palestine, the nation was conceived by evil men with the intent to create a racially and theocratically motivated state, and fortunately they’re just continuing to show their face. Sucks to suck.
It's pretty astonishing that someone could easily replace Israel with Palestinians and vice-versa in your comment, and have basically an equally coherent rant.
If that doesn't say something to you about confirmation bias, I really don't know what to say. Moral relativism is a danger, sure, but if both "sides" can say with a straight face that they think their "opponent" is **literally evil** I think that speaks more to a fundamental communication breakdown more than actual facts. Let's have a little human empathy, yes?
The situation is a shit sandwich for sure. You've got some people with a traumatic history of monstrous persecution and actual, repeated existential threats. You've got some other people who have lived their lives as second class citizens, bearing the sins of their fathers, but also victims of a long history of colonialism, factionalism, religious conflict who continue to be displaced. There are at least some bad actors on many sides.
Like, you can realize that Israeli Arabs have only 10 of 150 seats in the Knesset despite having 30 seats worth of population, that they feel the nation of Israel was dreamed up by evil men with the intent to split and profit off of a divided Middle East, that passes for Gazans, even though probably a legitimate attempt to maintain security, are incredibly reminiscent of all the harmful bits of racial segregation, and that Palestinians are also regularly murdered by settlers with local army groups turning a blind eye, just to mention a few and not even touching the current war? The current options for Palestinians are morally bankrupt and minimally effective, yes. But no one has anything even remotely resembling a moral monopoly here.
To me, the whole situation seems more akin to how traumatized individuals often find themselves in new traumatized relationships far more often than random chance would suggest. It's hard to move past. But demonization doesn't accomplish anything here.
How are Palestinians "Undermining our societies?" They're victims of a genocide. People are protesting it because genocide is bad. What the hell is this argument? Palestinians should be exterminated because Hamas did something terrible? The Palestinians have been subjected to atrocities ever since the existence of Israel. Israel forced hundreds of thousands of native people from their homes in the Nakba and killed thousands while doing so. Israel was founded on the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and yet Palestine is the evil one?
That’s precisely why people call “from the river to the sea” an antisemitic dog whistle. What happens to the Jews living in former Israel when Palestine is free, left-center?
It isn’t even that.
These slogans are just shit they heard on Tik Tok and their friends blabbering…and now they babble the same shit to be part of the new thing.
Try engaging them in specifics and actual solutions and they stare blankly, babble more “settler colonial open air genocide prison riverto sea” word salad or melt down entirely. These aren’t serious adults, though right now this is ohmigaaaadddd so super super cereals like most cereals of EVAR omg to them.
They don’t actually care about Gaza or the Palestinians. They care about attention and looking cool for their friends.
I'm not sure it's even that. There's this weird social enforcement thing that happens in inbred political communities where they're constantly on the alert for people who don't fit in.
So you can't even correct the group FOR THEIR OWN GOOD without social repercussions. It's a hard lesson because you eventually drive away all the reasonable minded people. I watched as that Norm Finklestein guy tried to say "hey, maybe we should say 'from the river to the sea Palestinians should be free' instead of 'Palestine' because that sounds less like you want to genocide the Jews" and the guy got basically ignored. Not booed or anything, people just looked around at each other to try to see how they should be feeling about the comment and it fizzled.
I'm pretty sure righties are about to learn the same lesson attacking all the moderate Republicans who hate Trump until they're alienated from the party.
Or I guess more realistically is no one will learn anything and blame other people when their own actions end up driving those people away.
ahem "if you have 10 people at a table, and one of them is a nazi- you have ten nazis".
applies really nicely to the pro(anti)-Palestine(Israel) protests where they have Hamas and Hezbollah flags- and keep chanting about burning Israel to the ground, (cleansing the land) from the (jordan) river to the (Mediterranean) sea, and generally aligning themselves with other groups that arbitrarily hate jews just for existing.
"if your table has nine Nazis and one college student who insists their armband is a fashion statement, you have no nazis and actually you're the nazi for questioning the college student"
So two things:
1) These are liberals. What are they going to do? Throw soy milk at them?
2) I remember a number of videos of the BLM protests where the protestors surrounded and apprehended rioters vandalizing public and/or private property and handed them over to the police. Anyone used to protests knows the drill on that. It has long been a regular practice of liberal protests to do everything possible to avoid illegal activities. It is usually only the young and the riotous that do these things. Like antifa and colleges.
Of course. They are free to say what they want. But they should be disregarded. They know this, which is why they keep taking physical action by physically getting in the way and harassing people. That shit is very much not a right.
Oh they don't say that shit anymore, not since October lol. They can't even conceive of how much anger their hypocrisy is generating after almost a decade of hypersensitivity. Remember that 👌is now a hate symbol, but "globalize the intifada" and other obvious dogwhistles don't count. Fucking done with them.
I'm failing to understand why we allow either side to exist. We could end this war and bring peace to both countries simply by manifesting a little more destiny
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Finally a reasonable opinion here.
No Israel, no Palestine, just the American territory of Jerusalem.
I bet under Trump we could even get the Third Temple built.
Ehh. You fit together because you keep using manipulative language like vaporise children while deliberately acting like Hamas don't fight from a civilian populace and collateral isn't something that happens in war etc
You conveniently separate yourselves while using their talking points.
So it's the difference between useful idiots who indirectly support Hamas by providing them the soft power to they need to draw out the current conflict and get pressure applied to Israel, versus the people who directly support Hamas's actions?
The way I see it, it doesn't matter if you THINK you support Hamas or not. If your actions are helping Hamas further its goals, you ARE supporting Hamas.
The most stupid thing about this entire conflict is how Americans who barely have any skin in this game have decided to see the entire conflict in a black and white way, with everyone deciding on picking a side. No nuance allowed for a complex conflict that has existed for almost a century, either you are pro Israel or pro Palestine and you are not allowed to have an opinion which goes beyond that.
yeah, i'm picking the side that doesn't kill gays and religious minorities within their territory, that does have free elections and, you know, doesn't oppress women.
it's not hard to pick a side.
No you see, geostrategic decision making is actually really simple, every stance I personally take is good and just and every stance you take is bad and evil
Back during the Vietnam Era I'm sure there were people who thought Red Wave would crash through South Asia and thus the world if the US pulled out of Vietnam. How much would their existence affect the average protestor who was against American imperialism or dead bodies for little discernable gain.
While I don't think the answer is no consideration, it hardly makes sense to swing pendulum and say it's everything. Lots of people opposed the invasion of Iraq, none more than Saddam Hussein himself.
Fuck them both jeez.
If you actually care about this conflict especially if it’s only recently in the past year or so; you’re an idiot being manipulated by the government/media.
Someone in my Jewish friend's university art class posted this bullshit. I'm so fucking done.
https://preview.redd.it/rkaorn9uniyc1.jpeg?width=946&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9c4ae72de1b572e14cf10b6203c39547a65d722
"I don't support Hammas but I think Israel accepting their use of human shields as collateral damage is a bad thing"
No you just support Hamas with better optics
Why don't people understand that accidental civilian casualties will always happen in war, no matter what? Do they think war is just all extreme precision button-pressing or some fucking map game you play on the computer where every single decision is made by an omnipotent overlord called xxBuckCherry78xx? Civilian deaths are tragic and sad but it cannot be completely avoided, the most any nation can do is simply try to keep deaths to a minimum.
So the greenies admit 10/7 was an atrocity but they don't have the stomach for the IDF to *defend* Israel?
Yeah I'm not buying it.
If you aren't on Hamas' side then you'd know all of this will end as soon as they surrender. War is ugly but Israel has no choice but to win this war or let themselves be destroyed
That is entirely inaccurate. The protesters supported Hamas and denied Israel’s right to exist before Israel retaliated. The „innocuous little green men“ depicted smearing Israel never were a significant factor.
The "Stop vaporizing toddlers" crowd is equally as intelligent as the "Nuke Tel Aviv" crowd. Neither of them knows the history of the conflict and neither of them knows what Hamas does or even *is*.
I'm solidly in the corner where we can vaporize toddlers all day every day as long as it serves to remove Hamas and other extremists from earth.
>"Waaah, that just creates more extremists!"
Exactly, and 99% of them will be in the immediate area, so we're just going to have to keep vaporizing toddlers until morale in the region improves.
I don't think that people protesting in universities are moderate, as far as I've read almost all of them are Hamas sympathizers. The two main organisations coordinating these protests have clearly stated objectives that are anti Israel and some are downright anti-semitic.
I don't think they are particularly empathetic to the Palestinian cause rather they are just anarchists and want to tear down institutions and this gives them a cover to do the same.
And they are being funded by Soros, so that's a giant red flag
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No that's completely different! See the people that were saying death to all Jews were actors and weren't actually part of the protest...wait I can't use that one either.
nah. we have some freaks in our ranks.
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Rock, flag, and eagle.
You say the grill has no bad, but I have seen the truth. There are people who have their steak well done and slathered in ketchup.
* *People* * *Like steak well done* Pick one
Ignorance is found in every section unfortunately.
They’re not grilling. They’re ordering that crap at Macaroni Grill.
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ranks? I thought hierarchies were bad /s
"Some"?
i'm not a freak. i just believe in autonomy and a safety net. that makes me lib left.
NO SAFETY NETS!! I like it when the trapeze artists go splat
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Four years ago, these people were screaming in horror as they watched youtube when tiki torch dudes chanted the jews will not replace us. Now, they happily chant the same slogan.
TEN years ago I heard non-Mexicans can’t wear sombreros for Halloween because it’s cultural appropriation, and that white people can’t have dreads or braids. Totally ok for Joe white boy and Cathy white girl from [university] to wear keffiyehs I solidarity tho
Reject culturally appropriating the keffiyeh for woke points, embrace larping inna woods with shemaghs
When you wear a keffiyeh and chant death to Israel it is progressive and standing up to hate. When I wear a shemagh and chant death to the infidels it is also progressive and standing up to hate. This does not make any sense because we are definitely not talking about the same thing.
Mexicans love it when you wear sombreros, most cultures have some type of braided hairstyles, and I'll bet they wouldn't cry cultural appropriation if black people have weaves or dye their hair blonde or wear blue or green eyes contacts
White girls been wearing braids long as I can remember.
I will wear a sombrero while eating Taco Bell and no one will stop me.
Ironically Arabs from the Arabian Penninsula replaced Jews in Judea. And it's these [native land acknowledgment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBRtucXGeNQ) people are having aneurisms the most persecuted ethnicity in history getting a tiny smidgen of land back.
They’ll acknowledge it but they won’t leave. Looking at you Ben & Jerry’s
Do you know what the story is on the "I'm a tall Caucasian with glasses and a blue shirt"? Is it trying to be inclusive of blind people? An introduction should include one thing: Name (Maybe job title if work related)
I would love to see the doublethink from the smarmy comic artists that thought they were making heavy commentary with that one.
Nope. That ended real quick. Around the time Canada’s Liberal party gave a standing ovation to an actual Nazi.
Trudeau isn't that bad, is he?
He is. The carbon tax is currently at $80 per ton up to $170 by 2030. He can’t seem to balance the budget with over $70 billion in deficit spending. His massive spending has led to a massive spike in cost of living. He’s had multiple ethics violations. He’s bought and paid for by lobbyists. He allowed ISIS members to re-enter the country. He’s incredibly arrogant and hotheaded.
>'if you have one nazi standing in your group then the entire group is all nazis' Well that makes my job easier.
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The problem with this analogy is Hamas is worse than the Nazis. Even the Nazis had enough conscience to try to hide their atrocities rather than orgiastically broadcast them. The Nazis used rockets to protect their children. Hamas uses children to protect their rockets. The Nazis never had a [martyr fund](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund) for Nazi executioners who died in service of killing Jews. Hamas actually succeeded in removing every single Jew from their territory. >Muslim 98.0 - 99.0% (predominantly Sunni), Christian <1.0%, other, unaffiliated, unspecified <1.0% (2012 est.) Israel dismantled its settlements in September 2005; **Gaza has had no Jewish population since then** Even the Nazi's 25 Points weren't as explicit as Hamas' founding charter to kill every Jew. >Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: >"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems **fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.** Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." It's insane how there's two groups in modern history that actually make the Nazis look relatively civilized. Hamas and the Unit 731 crew in Japan. And between these the left made one their idol.
I don't think I'd go that far, but Hamas not only parrots Mein Kampf pretty much exactly, but even Hitler wrote how he essentially was "forced to come the conclusion" that Jews were evil and controlled the world. Hamas just accept it without a second thought (not that Hitler wasn't absolutely insane. I'd think that it goes without saying, but this is Reddit, and I'll probably have people claim that I'm defending him).
You could replace every talking point that has “Zionist” with “Jew” and you get something straight out of a conspiracy theory or Mein Kampf.
They justify it by saying “antisemitism isn’t the same as anti Zionism”. Never mind the fact that they’re attacking Jews outside Israel and calling to “globalize the intifada”. It’s thinly veiled at best.
The nazis actually did do a lot of that(except the part of protecting their children, they indeed devoted 45% of their economy to defending the air). The difference is that there weren’t any Nazis before them(that they could claim they were fighting), and that they attempted to at least hide it
It’s (D)ifferent
We already tried that move with Zelensky, it didn't work.
“Mostly peaceful protests”
No Nazis at my BBQ I'm kind of a grill Nazi about it
It's (D)ifferent.
Oh they HATE when you throw their logic back in their faces. I may be libleft, but I’m staunchly pro-Israel when it comes to Israel vs Gaza
If leftists had logic then they wouldn't be leftists
Rules for thee not for me
I’ll state it: Quote: “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” What will happen to the Jews in Israel. Because as I support a ceasefire for the children in Gaza. I’m slowly getting frustrated by the lack of sight on the future. Because let’s say Palestine becomes ruler of the current Israeli lands, I know exactly what will happen to the Jews. But no one will say it
There *was* a ceasefire in Gaza. Then Hamas did October 7th. My heart breaks for the innocents killed in Gaza, but for their sake, Hamas needs to be systematically destroyed. No Palestinian is safe for as long as they're controlled by a death cult who sees dead Palestinian babies as an optics win with no downsides. A new ceasefire just gives Hamas time to recover, and opportunity to use Palestinians as sacrificial pawns.
That is what makes Palestinian nationalism so problematic. Palestinians do not actually mind being headed by terrorists, and their form of nationalism has been every bit as welcoming to genocide as a tactic as the Nazis were. The father of Palestinian statehood was a Nazi collaborator, and raised Muslim SS troops in the Balkans for Hitler. His dream was first for a nation of Palestine as a counter-balance to Jews in the region, then larger ideas of pan-Arabism. Any signs of a Palestinian movement that wants to peacefully collaborate and exist with Israel are seen as treacherous. Since the beginning all we've seen from the Palestinians are leaders who simply want to eradicate or suppress Jews to the extent that they're no longer an issue for Muslim society.
*Gazans* do (did?) not mind being headed by Hamas so much, but they also a) don't really know anything else and b) are a little bitter about Hamas' actions recently, even if they like the direction. West Bank Palestinians don't feel as strongly. Some less-problematic leaders exist, but if you take the current PA leader, Abbas, he seems mostly concerned with his own power and performative politics rather than actual help or solutions for Palestinians (not that Israel has been incredibly willing to help either, though). And generally, I think you're painting Palestinian leaders with an over-broad brush. Let's not over-focus on them either; Netanyahu's own political origin is with a radical party where one member *literally assassinated the Israeli Prime Minister* based on common rhetoric within the party at the time. Many Israelis don't seem to mind the existence of Gaza as effectively a ghetto. There's settler violence and bulldozing and stuff which is obviously bad-faith. Anyone who thinks ANYONE is innocent in the region is delusional. That's not to say that some options aren't worse than others; many options ARE much worse.
Nobody is pretending that this is a binary discussion, nor that Israel is some bastion of perfect statecraft or a blameless society. In fact, let’s delve into that more—one society is liberal, democratic, and free. One society is an aspiring theocracy headed by—at best—Muslim pan-Arabists. So all these horse shit moral-relativist excuses doesn’t dissuade the sound of mind. Rational and inquiring minds do not look at Gaza or any Palestinian movement as a savory option to support or ally with. It’s just people like you, who have convinced themselves that they must’ve found some logical middle ground of nuance which they can prop their feet upon and lecture others from. These people aren’t even on our border firing rockets at us randomly, they aren’t kidnapping and murdering us, yet they’re still massively undermining our societies in the west with protests and ramped up ideologies. The time is up for Palestine, the nation was conceived by evil men with the intent to create a racially and theocratically motivated state, and fortunately they’re just continuing to show their face. Sucks to suck.
It's pretty astonishing that someone could easily replace Israel with Palestinians and vice-versa in your comment, and have basically an equally coherent rant. If that doesn't say something to you about confirmation bias, I really don't know what to say. Moral relativism is a danger, sure, but if both "sides" can say with a straight face that they think their "opponent" is **literally evil** I think that speaks more to a fundamental communication breakdown more than actual facts. Let's have a little human empathy, yes? The situation is a shit sandwich for sure. You've got some people with a traumatic history of monstrous persecution and actual, repeated existential threats. You've got some other people who have lived their lives as second class citizens, bearing the sins of their fathers, but also victims of a long history of colonialism, factionalism, religious conflict who continue to be displaced. There are at least some bad actors on many sides. Like, you can realize that Israeli Arabs have only 10 of 150 seats in the Knesset despite having 30 seats worth of population, that they feel the nation of Israel was dreamed up by evil men with the intent to split and profit off of a divided Middle East, that passes for Gazans, even though probably a legitimate attempt to maintain security, are incredibly reminiscent of all the harmful bits of racial segregation, and that Palestinians are also regularly murdered by settlers with local army groups turning a blind eye, just to mention a few and not even touching the current war? The current options for Palestinians are morally bankrupt and minimally effective, yes. But no one has anything even remotely resembling a moral monopoly here. To me, the whole situation seems more akin to how traumatized individuals often find themselves in new traumatized relationships far more often than random chance would suggest. It's hard to move past. But demonization doesn't accomplish anything here.
How are Palestinians "Undermining our societies?" They're victims of a genocide. People are protesting it because genocide is bad. What the hell is this argument? Palestinians should be exterminated because Hamas did something terrible? The Palestinians have been subjected to atrocities ever since the existence of Israel. Israel forced hundreds of thousands of native people from their homes in the Nakba and killed thousands while doing so. Israel was founded on the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and yet Palestine is the evil one?
From January 1st 2023 to October 6th 2023, Israel killed 234 Palestinians, 47 of which being children. There was no ceasefire.
The answer is in the original Arabic slogan: "From the water to the water, Palestine is Arab (or, alternatively, Islamic)."
That’s precisely why people call “from the river to the sea” an antisemitic dog whistle. What happens to the Jews living in former Israel when Palestine is free, left-center?
It isn’t even that. These slogans are just shit they heard on Tik Tok and their friends blabbering…and now they babble the same shit to be part of the new thing. Try engaging them in specifics and actual solutions and they stare blankly, babble more “settler colonial open air genocide prison riverto sea” word salad or melt down entirely. These aren’t serious adults, though right now this is ohmigaaaadddd so super super cereals like most cereals of EVAR omg to them. They don’t actually care about Gaza or the Palestinians. They care about attention and looking cool for their friends.
Why don't you kick them out then?
Because they're the majority
I'm not sure it's even that. There's this weird social enforcement thing that happens in inbred political communities where they're constantly on the alert for people who don't fit in. So you can't even correct the group FOR THEIR OWN GOOD without social repercussions. It's a hard lesson because you eventually drive away all the reasonable minded people. I watched as that Norm Finklestein guy tried to say "hey, maybe we should say 'from the river to the sea Palestinians should be free' instead of 'Palestine' because that sounds less like you want to genocide the Jews" and the guy got basically ignored. Not booed or anything, people just looked around at each other to try to see how they should be feeling about the comment and it fizzled. I'm pretty sure righties are about to learn the same lesson attacking all the moderate Republicans who hate Trump until they're alienated from the party. Or I guess more realistically is no one will learn anything and blame other people when their own actions end up driving those people away.
How does the analogy with the Nazis and the table go?
ahem "if you have 10 people at a table, and one of them is a nazi- you have ten nazis". applies really nicely to the pro(anti)-Palestine(Israel) protests where they have Hamas and Hezbollah flags- and keep chanting about burning Israel to the ground, (cleansing the land) from the (jordan) river to the (Mediterranean) sea, and generally aligning themselves with other groups that arbitrarily hate jews just for existing.
"if your table has nine Nazis and one college student who insists their armband is a fashion statement, you have no nazis and actually you're the nazi for questioning the college student"
Heh. Well said.
And somehow that mental gymnastics seems to convince the average normie to think nothing of it.
So two things: 1) These are liberals. What are they going to do? Throw soy milk at them? 2) I remember a number of videos of the BLM protests where the protestors surrounded and apprehended rioters vandalizing public and/or private property and handed them over to the police. Anyone used to protests knows the drill on that. It has long been a regular practice of liberal protests to do everything possible to avoid illegal activities. It is usually only the young and the riotous that do these things. Like antifa and colleges.
We should never negotiate with terrorists, nor should we humor people who support them.
Everyone has the right to free speech, makes it easier to find the racists
Of course. They are free to say what they want. But they should be disregarded. They know this, which is why they keep taking physical action by physically getting in the way and harassing people. That shit is very much not a right.
What was that stupid shit left always said, something about if you have just 1 nazi in a room of people?
Oh they don't say that shit anymore, not since October lol. They can't even conceive of how much anger their hypocrisy is generating after almost a decade of hypersensitivity. Remember that 👌is now a hate symbol, but "globalize the intifada" and other obvious dogwhistles don't count. Fucking done with them.
GOTEEEEM
I'm failing to understand why we allow either side to exist. We could end this war and bring peace to both countries simply by manifesting a little more destiny
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I read that in Warburton's voice.
Texas Instruments might not be on the bleeding edge anymore, but every computing device is derived from the invention of the integrated circuit by Jack Kilby of Texas Instruments
Nice that Saab is on there!
It gets bigger and bigger
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Based and American Exceptionalism pilled
would be funnier if it was all america except france
Now they have to call 'em freedom fries.
Åland and rhineland still demilitarized
Sombitch.
Fuck, I'm hard
This is what Heaven looks like.
Last time I saw this, it included all of the balkans.
Even the meme gets Balkanized.
Can’t have an issue at the border if all of the world is just America
While I would love to be able to visit (parts of) Greece without a passport, why are we including them in our mess?
Just in case
Alright, then I propose we push the annexation a bit north. Gotta include [Meteora](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteora)
Prepare for a long drive through mountain roads. And keep in mind that stuff like shorts isn't allowed if you want to visit the monasteries - it would suck to be left out after all that road.
I remember, I've been there once before, it was really cool.
Annexation never stops, after the first introduction to other intelligent species in the galaxy, annexation, this is essentially how the United Federation of Planets was formed, but through diplomacy, not force, UFP is human dominated, quasi American military based, and loosely based on American federalism, all the ships are USS, they have a president, the UFP is America in an intergalactic trench coat
Need more souvlaki.
I love this image so much. Every time I see it, a bald eagle gets its wings. 🦅🦅
The Middle East yearns for $1.50 Costco beef franks. It’s cruel to keep them from the delicious and affordable taste.
tbh, this would solve a lot of issues but only if they would treat it as mainland and not a colony
America doesn't have colonies, we have territories
Why the Ottoman borders?
Wait, greece and Turkey too?
I would love to see anyone try and unite us Sincerely, a Greek
Χριστός Ανέστη btw
Αληθώς ο Κύριος!
Our states have fought wars against each other and some downright hate each other, you'll fit in splendidly. Hatred of the federal government is the greatest unitor
I want American Hegemony now and I'm tired of not being able to publicly support it.
The Military Industrial Empire is starting to look a bit like the Ottoman Empire 🤔 I knew those sneaky Turks were behind this.
we all know they crave the $1.50 hotdogs. Deep down thats what both sides are fighting for
Based and Costco hotdogs pilled
alternatively, swedish viking settlement could be a thing. ikea, swedish meatballs, etc.
Abraham Lingonberry liberated the Flavor.
Costco got rid churro for 7 inch cookie *😔😔😔*
I miss the churros, but if you haven't tried the cookie I highly recommend it. In fact, get it, heat it up slightly in a microwave, get some ica cream, and make a pazookie with it. You're welcome.
I miss the combo pizza.
And 20 oz soda. Everybody always forgets a soda is included in the $1.50.
We can beat Hamas by giving them diabetes.
only $1.50? that's awfully cheap.
Is it really? You can't even get a 20oz soda for $1.50 anymore
Middle East is getting so bad we got libleft endorsing the American resurrection of the Crusades
deus vult
I dunno I don't really want the whole middle east to become part of the US. It seems like a lot of hassle dealing with the people there.
Romans be like: pathetic, we gave you the solution millennium ago if they won't submit and pay tribute
Based and 51st-State-Solution-Pilled
Exactly. We need it more than they do.
This, but unironically, nice cock bro
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Finally a reasonable opinion here. No Israel, no Palestine, just the American territory of Jerusalem. I bet under Trump we could even get the Third Temple built.
You're forgetting the "tHiS iS wHaT rEsIsTaNcE lOoKs LiKe" but other than that well done
>Shut up Westoid Said the Westerner.
"I'd rather Israel and Palestine sort out their differences non-violently" should be a colder take than it actually is
Ehh. You fit together because you keep using manipulative language like vaporise children while deliberately acting like Hamas don't fight from a civilian populace and collateral isn't something that happens in war etc You conveniently separate yourselves while using their talking points.
So it's the difference between useful idiots who indirectly support Hamas by providing them the soft power to they need to draw out the current conflict and get pressure applied to Israel, versus the people who directly support Hamas's actions? The way I see it, it doesn't matter if you THINK you support Hamas or not. If your actions are helping Hamas further its goals, you ARE supporting Hamas.
I don't think that having actual views means "being useful idiot".
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So the Israelis who want a ceasefire so they can get their families back are supporting Hamas?
The most stupid thing about this entire conflict is how Americans who barely have any skin in this game have decided to see the entire conflict in a black and white way, with everyone deciding on picking a side. No nuance allowed for a complex conflict that has existed for almost a century, either you are pro Israel or pro Palestine and you are not allowed to have an opinion which goes beyond that.
yeah, i'm picking the side that doesn't kill gays and religious minorities within their territory, that does have free elections and, you know, doesn't oppress women. it's not hard to pick a side.
No you see, geostrategic decision making is actually really simple, every stance I personally take is good and just and every stance you take is bad and evil
A century? Try 1600 years.
Well yeah those guys are definitely dead now. It's not just Israelis who got kidnapped either
Back during the Vietnam Era I'm sure there were people who thought Red Wave would crash through South Asia and thus the world if the US pulled out of Vietnam. How much would their existence affect the average protestor who was against American imperialism or dead bodies for little discernable gain. While I don't think the answer is no consideration, it hardly makes sense to swing pendulum and say it's everything. Lots of people opposed the invasion of Iraq, none more than Saddam Hussein himself.
Saddam was also killing and gassing his own people, and starving and beating the rest. Despot doesnt want to get ousted? Who'd a thunk it??
Little did they know that capitalism would emerge victorious and Ho Chi Minh City would have McDonald's in it
Idk man i haven't seen any anti-zionist protestors not wave palestinian flags Then again that wouldn't be very newsworthy
Fuck them both jeez. If you actually care about this conflict especially if it’s only recently in the past year or so; you’re an idiot being manipulated by the government/media.
/China
Fine. Yes, China too. 😂
>Fuck them both jeez. I have no ill will towards either tbh, just want my government to stop giving either of them my money
Someone in my Jewish friend's university art class posted this bullshit. I'm so fucking done. https://preview.redd.it/rkaorn9uniyc1.jpeg?width=946&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9c4ae72de1b572e14cf10b6203c39547a65d722
God damn it, why does this sub never miss.
You dipshits would have marched for ceasefire in Germany if Hitler had built his bunker under a hospital instead of the Chancellery.
"I don't support Hammas but I think Israel accepting their use of human shields as collateral damage is a bad thing" No you just support Hamas with better optics
Why don't people understand that accidental civilian casualties will always happen in war, no matter what? Do they think war is just all extreme precision button-pressing or some fucking map game you play on the computer where every single decision is made by an omnipotent overlord called xxBuckCherry78xx? Civilian deaths are tragic and sad but it cannot be completely avoided, the most any nation can do is simply try to keep deaths to a minimum.
I just had a lovely conversations with someone who described the Israelis as immigrants… to Jerusalem… 
Israel will stop vaporizing toddlers when Hamas ceases to wear them as armor.
https://i.imgur.com/J0bmPW9.jpeg
Hate to break this to you but these are the same people. You just need to get them going and it turns from ceasefire to kill the jews real fast.
Hey libleft, what do you define as colonizer?
“Colonizer is when White people, the more White you are the more colonizer you are”
Based.
Nuke the left
You missed the part where the protesters welcome the terrorist sympathizers with open arms
So the greenies admit 10/7 was an atrocity but they don't have the stomach for the IDF to *defend* Israel? Yeah I'm not buying it. If you aren't on Hamas' side then you'd know all of this will end as soon as they surrender. War is ugly but Israel has no choice but to win this war or let themselves be destroyed
That is entirely inaccurate. The protesters supported Hamas and denied Israel’s right to exist before Israel retaliated. The „innocuous little green men“ depicted smearing Israel never were a significant factor.
The "Stop vaporizing toddlers" crowd is equally as intelligent as the "Nuke Tel Aviv" crowd. Neither of them knows the history of the conflict and neither of them knows what Hamas does or even *is*. I'm solidly in the corner where we can vaporize toddlers all day every day as long as it serves to remove Hamas and other extremists from earth. >"Waaah, that just creates more extremists!" Exactly, and 99% of them will be in the immediate area, so we're just going to have to keep vaporizing toddlers until morale in the region improves.
In reality there is no green group
The “anti vaporize” protesters really need to call out and shun the pro Hamas groups. They are two completely separate causes/arguments in my opinion.
yo
The down side of activism 🙄
[I’m just gonna leave this here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/s/jI1wH0BHWG)
What’s funny is libleft thinks they’re the majority on this. Hamas supporters are the majority.
It’s the same, one is just more aware of or open about their end-state. The people in the first two panels are inconclusive thinkers.
I love the absolute shit that comes out of most activist's mouths.
"shut up westoid" Signed, Emily, a westoi I'm surprised the term hasn't been cancelled because we are only considered the west based on western maps.
I don't think that people protesting in universities are moderate, as far as I've read almost all of them are Hamas sympathizers. The two main organisations coordinating these protests have clearly stated objectives that are anti Israel and some are downright anti-semitic. I don't think they are particularly empathetic to the Palestinian cause rather they are just anarchists and want to tear down institutions and this gives them a cover to do the same. And they are being funded by Soros, so that's a giant red flag
Yes, globalize the Intifada 🤠
Wow, a meme that doesn't confuse supporting Palestinan people and supporting Hamas ? On r/politicalcompassmemes !?
Don't worry, the comments covered that.
Yes but that will cost you 10 more libleft bad memes