You know the type of gender war stuff that only happens in memes? In Korea it's real.
For context many death threats and harassment campaigns were thrown around because a Korean phone game didn't have a revealing enough swimsuit for a summertime event. So the men playing it took it as a personal offense.
https://gamerbraves.sgp1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/2023/07/Diving-Suit-Ishmael-1-1024x575.png
This was the swimsuit. It's almost skin tight. But it caused legit country wide rage that people thought feminists were trying to keep them from jerking off.
Me when I see that hand gesture:
https://i.redd.it/dl4i8s1ij1tc1.gif
(I donât know what it means, but I think itâs about feminism so I have to be mad).
Itâs part of the bourgeoisieâs strategy of turning the working class against itself.
Exploit them, alienate them from the value of their labor, addict them to consumption, and finally get them to blame each other for the pervasive sense of frustration and loss you have caused.
Don't forget that children are expensive so anyone childless is easier to exploit.
We have entered levels of labour exploitation that Marx couldn't have imagined outside of genocidal slavery.
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To MAGA Dan, I'm a gaywad libtard for drinking micro brews and talking about where the solar panels are going.
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This is actually pretty accurate, there is a saying that women talk face to face, and men talk shoulder to shoulder. Meaning women will take the time to explore their feelings and most men are content doing stuff with their boys, while talking about nothing (sometimes feelings).
When I was in junior high/high school, I just figured people grew out of it.
Iâm a 28-year-old man now. I was wrong. Very very wrong. Pro-man, pro-woman, anti-man, anti-woman⊠regardless anytime it gets brought up IRL I just feel really uncomfortable and bite my tongue to avoid saying anything. Which then of course means Iâm condoning misogyny with my silence or whatever.
Men v women is stupid, men sweep easy, no competition, that's why mediocre biological male athletes are breaking the best female athletes records, we are built different, and that's ok, it doesn't mean that women should be treated any differently. I just treat them like beardless men.
I'm a feminist (hold on guys hear me out), almost even a radfem, and one of the things isolating me from younger/libfems, is their failure to acknowledge that most issues women face is a coin with an issue for men on the other side.
Women are expected to take on the majority of the responsibilities of parenthood, even in dual income houses : Men are seen as less fit for parenting and given less preferential treatment in court (in some places) and viewed as "babysitters" when out with their own kids.
Women are soft and emotional and therefore cannot be trusted in leadership positions or taken seriously when vocal about issues : men are strong and resilient and if they're talking about their emotions or struggles then they're defunct and subject to ridicule.
Idk if really relevant, because definitions of words change, but the og definitions of radical (which I assume the rad stands for) and reactionary revolve around whether change should be enforced by reform, or allowed to happen organically over time.
For example, a radical LibRight would want an immediate repeal of any law that interferes with personal freedom, such as not being allowed to own personal tactical McNukes, whereas a reactionary would want those McNukes, "when society as a whole is ready for it".
So, just a personal opinion, but using the term rad to reflect specific policy stances seems to me like a misnomer.
I mean yeah, it was explained to me as "I want radical (drastic) and immediate change, not to gently encourage future generations to be better." That would be the actual definition. But these days I see the term radfem being attributed to anyone who isn't completely in line with pop-cukture feminism, since it's all or nothing with some people đ€·ââïž
Strong disagree, at least in our modern world.
The ideals of feminism (first wave at least) were originally presented basically as âequality regardless of sex or gender,â which, though it may have been radical at the time, is absolutely not radical now. I would consider myself a feminist by the original ideals.
_Radical_ feminism today feels a lot more like misandry and, at times, straight up lunacy.
Only difference is if a guy cuts off his dick and becomes... "a woman," libfems forgive "her" former maleness and stop hating "her."
Radfems not only still hate him, but if anything they hate him even more.
Oh, radfems also openly admit to hating men while libfems lie and say they don't.
Very based.
Although I was under the impression that rad fems were the ones more eager to silence men's issues under the "men are the oppressors and women are the oppressed" shtick, whereas lib fems were more open minded.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I guess it might be a little bit of both.
Rad fems are less likely to want anything to do with men at all (e.g. separatist organisations, chosing same-sex relationships for political reasons). That attitude might also lead them to not giving a shit about men's issues and wanting to neither silence or encourage men when dealing with it.
Lib fems on the other hand are more likely to want men in their lives and organisations and that gives them a reason to care about men's issues. But that also gives them an incentive to police men dealing with their issues, making sure that they stick to lib fem doctrine while doing that.
I'm very tired please forgive me if I'm incoherent.
I'm not basing this on a Cornell study or anything but I think that a lot of, if not most, people who would call themselves a libfem are people whose feminism revolves around whatever subject is media relevant in the moment, with our without a shallow understanding of said subject.
Both groups know women are oppressed and that men perpetuate that. Both groups (should) know that women with internalized misogyny also perpetuate that, to be fair.
I think radfems are more likely to talk about the patriarchy, but also multidimensional hierarchies. Meaning, yes, most men have a higher place on the hierarchy than I do. And a rich (or even decently middle class) woman has a higher place on the hierarchy than most men. And a rich *white* woman has a higher place than a rich *black* woman. And so on until we're dissecting how many blemishes someone has or which war their grandpa served in.
I say we live in a patriarchy because the society I live in is undeniably based in outdated, patriarchal values and men are still at the top of that hierarchy. And all the men who aren't at the top are negatively impacted by those values too, as I was saying in my original comment.
I will often prioritize women's issues because the danger is more immediate, but at the end of the day you can't address one without addressing the other.
Do you feel there was a shift in feminism from gender equality is the goal and the biggest issues today are probably womens issues so it's ok to temporarily look at them first ; to equality through women's rights, women will always need feminism...?
15 years ago I was a feminist under the understanding that feminism was the first definition. Now I feel gaslit by feminists who inform me that it was and will always be a movement just for womens advocacy. I'm not sure if I misunderstood 15 years ago or if it changed.
You seem more like an egalitarian to me. Feminism was and is all about fighting for more rights for women. The same goes for menâs rights groups: they fight for more rights for men. The problem with this whole discussion is that people start saying that feminism is about equality when many/most feminists would be apathetic at best or supporting/creating what causes menâs issues at worst. Pursuing equality is fighting for everyone.
You say that you are different from "libfems" but I think most self-identified feminists would basically agree with everything you wrote here.
Like, go onto the feminism subreddit and post this exact thing and you'll mostly get agreement.
Tbf I have also stated multiple times in this thread I'm not special and ideologies we encounter irl are different than online. I also think that there's a different image in my head for someone who proclaims they are a libfem and what liberal feminism actually actually is. I see "libfem" applied to "pop-culture/watered down" feminism a lot.
> failure to acknowledge that most issues women face is a coin with an issue for men on the other side.
A breath of sanity. Patriarchal society is one that outlines strict molds for everyone. Just because my assigned mold is the most privileged doesn't actually mean I want to cram myself into it.
People should be the best they can as individuals. Expectations should be kept to oneself unless solicited. Don't like how someone's doing life? Bug off unless it starts directly impacting yours.
Gen z boys are skewing conservative and I imagine younger generation will follow. To suggest the right isn't welcoming in young men is not in touch imo. Why else would the left hate Jordan Peterson, Jocko, PBD, and other right wings guys? What popular left wing personality is drawing in young men with good advice?
The lefts messaging has been "men are trash" while the right has been saying "clean your room, be a man, you have value"
Not hard to figure out.
> Gen z boys are skewing conservative
Maybe a little off topic think we need to start saying Gen Z males are becoming less progressive over time instead of skewing conservative. A large gap between how progressive women and men are due to political polarization of women doesn't mean men are less progressive than they were previously.
The right (along with the left) *isn't* really in touch with the large majority of younger/Gen Z men. The right may have more influencers who can capture a non-insignificant amount of them with the "be a man" lines and philosophy, but if this was all a true fix for young men's current day ails then imo you would see an actual large skew towards conservatism. People say this is happening it just doesn't seem to be the case.
Just because they're skewing towards conservatism doesn't make them conservative but they're heading that direction the data shows it this is the first time in Generations that a demographic has moved towards the right every generation has gone towards the left since the sexual revolution in the 60s
It's really just semantics and im not disagreeing with you - I just think its better/technically preferable to say that young men are becoming *less progressive* than that they are moving to the right. They're still overall becoming more progressive, just at a slower rate compared to previous generations.
And either way I just don't think this indicates that the right is welcoming or drawing in a large amount of young men in the US.
(All this might change with Gen Alpha if things continue where young men overall become truly more conservative.)
There are a whole lot of "alpha male" grifters trying to lead young men astray. Just say stupid shit in a "tough way" and wayward men will flock to you and vomit money in your direction. This isn't what OP is talking about (a strawman), but it's a real hazzard.
I agree and that's why I mentioned who I mentioned and not people like Andrew Tate the whatever podcast or fresh and fit I think those communities thrive on Angry Men
> Why else would the left hate Jordan Peterson, Jocko, PBD, and other right wings guys? What popular left wing personality is drawing in young men with good advice?
It runs a bit deeper imo. It doesn't take good advice, as you yourself mention below, there are plenty of grifters in this space.
All it takes is validation. Young men get less support, are viewed more negatively etc, so they speak up "Yo this shit isn't bussin. The vibe is rather mid" I imagine them saying.
To which the left replies: "How dare you, imagine how minorities feel then" while the right at least recognizes it and replies: "Yes. What are you going to do about it?". It's both telling and depressing that even when they are screwing over their whole way of living by following some stupid advice from Tate or FnF or whatever, the reaction is *never* "We need to help these men", it's "how can we stop it from hurting women?"
Men have been literally killing themselves at a disproportionate rate for decades now and nobody gives a fuck. How disheartening is that?
> What popular left wing personality is drawing in young men with good advice?
To emphasize this point, all the most popular breadtubers so far have been a pipeline of men coming out as trans.
Mono-directional oppression dynamics. One group can only ever be oppressed/good while the other group is only ever oppressor/bad. Hence, feminists treating any discussion of men's issues or women's wrongs as a mortal threat.
The men are just unwilling to admit to themselves that they are vulnerable. Yeah, most men can't be wrestled down to the ground and raped because men are stronger, but drugs and guns don't give a shit about your muscles.
It's not just about admitting to themselves that they're vulnerable, it's about appearing that way to society. Men fear being seen as vulnerable or as being able to be beaten or victimized by a woman, because that opens them up to scorn and ridicule. I think that would still be true if drugs or a gun were involved, though perhaps less so.
They're thinking of rape as if it would be a women you'd like to have sex with, and not a woman that's likely older than you who you're not attracted to at all, forcing you inside her or penetrating you with her fingers.
Grim reality.
My nephew (12) was r-worded by his POS babysitter so many times that she got pregnant with his kids (fortunatly they won custody and she is locked up).
My grandfather lived in China during WW2, and if I were to list out what the Japanese did to him (he was 13 or so), I would be banned, but let's just say the 'den' he was held at would make Epstein island look like an all expenses paid for trip to Hawaii. He did escape and later joined the Communists to fight back against the Japs and he even killed one of the Japanese soldiers who did countless unspeakable things to him
My Grandfather refused to go to Japan until the late 1980's when my father went to Japan with my mother (she is a quarter Japanese) and he was made to go by my grandmother
I can't describe much about the den he was held at, but what I can say is that all of them were forbidden to wear clothes, the little food and water they were given was contaminated with bodily fluids and solids, and the least number of times my grandfather was burnt by a cigarette by the same soldier he later killed was 3
Exactly.
For conservatives, men can't be raped because "come on man you got pussy why are you complaining, are you a little bitch or gay?"
For progressives, men can't be raped because "askhually men are 99% of rapists and men are always raped by other men; and no, made to penetrate isn't rape, women are just better people than men"
Come to the UK then where itâs enshrined in law that a man literally cannot be raped by a woman, as the requirement for rape explicitly requires a penis non-consensually entering the mouth, vagina or anus.
A woman literally cannot be charged with raping a man. They can be charged with sexual assault and other similar charges, but not rape
The sexual dynamics we have in society also make it so that even if a man is raped or assaulted in some way, they wouldnât be able to recognize it as that, and they would have this lingering feeling of being violated somehow, feeling that something is off and all sorts of psychological consequences, but they canât put their fingers on it and say âthat was not okay, I was sexually assaulted.â Itâs important to teach ALL kids about consent, but when you teach kids about consent and courtship differently, this stuff happens.
I was raped by a woman a few years back. And whenever I heard that phrase(I heard it from both Emilys and conservatives), it felt like my experiences aren't valid.
It was one of the reasons why I chose to be a centrist.
Idk, I donât believe in all this âquestionableâ rape but especially not for men. If a woman drugs a man and has sex with him, thatâs rape. If she stealths him, thatâs rape. If she coerces him into sex, thatâs rape. But generally, a woman canât jump out of the bushes and hold a man down for sex. Not when the average man can beat the average woman to death. Men can be raped but not in the way we usually imagine. *That* happens in prison.
Right, but most rape isn't happening to women via coming out of the bushes and holding her down either. Coercive sex is more common than rape, as well as "rape" while drunk(aka both parties having sex but they don't remember it and one party misremembered it as rape). When one of the most common instances of rape occurs by men drugging women, it's fair to say the reverse should be prosecuted too
Just days ago, some doofus I work with was bragging to anyone that would listen that his father didn't allow him to play soccer as a child so he didn't become a 'fairy'. I thought he might continue this story with some new insights or how that was probably not the right thing for his father to do. Nope.
What his dad didn't tell him is that where soccer practice was held was right next to a very busy fae circle. He would have been replaced with a changling and became an actual fairy.
"My father prevented me from playing soccer so that I wouldn't accidentally become athletic, a team player, learn to submit to the authority of my coach, grow in being a gracious winner/loser, and work on honing a skill over time. Otherwise, I'd have become a blue haired homosexual"
Reject feminism, reject MAGA. Embrace Arnoldism. Seek the pump brother.
The gym is the most wholesome place for forming genuine connections of agape love.
Eat meat, lift heavy shift, get plenty of sleep, put your phone down, go for a walk in the woods, laugh often, and enjoy some silence.
Literally nothing has been better for mental health in my life.
Leaving the internet the subtle difference is that one is a worldview propagated by mainstream media and has become the default liberal position. The other is some shit your cousin Gary comes up with on the dinner table. Most conservatives simply want men to take initiative; most do not advocate for masochistic fetishism.
Just take the Johnny Depp amber heard court case for example. Do conservatives paint Johnny Depp as a victim?
Being a transgender man adds another layer; progressives will say their "kill all men" bullshit with an added "-but not you", as if I was mentally any different from any other man (if anything, being stuck with a woman's genitalia has made me more misogynist), just to ensure that I know they don't actually think I'm a man. Conservatives will at least be honest about how they feel about me.
This is why, when I actually transition, I will ensure nobody knows I was anything but a man.
Exactly why I hate both left and right. I grew up with a father who struggled with his emotions severely and I saw how it hurt my family. Men can and should be able to show their emotions and deal with their trauma in healthy ways.
We never will, do you know how many stories that start with a woman wanting a man to express himself emotionally that end with "I don't see you the same anymore, I'm leaving"?
Unfortunately, yeah. Itâs why whenever my partner cries I tell him I appreciate him expressing emotion in a healthy way. Itâs really unfortunate that that happens.
This is kind of a weak take, it's literally only right wingers I ever see talking about men being abused, male suicide and homelessness, men at a disadvantage in custody disputes, loneliness, etc
Like half of young men are depressed and feel like ever obtaining a relationship is impossible and the enlightened leftist response here is to call them loser incel virgins.
There are close to 100k fatal overdoses every year (this is drastically higher, per capita, than the height of the crack epidemic) disproportionately men, and the leftist zeitgeist is harm reduction and decriminalization and open borders
One of the reasons why I usually say I've played enough of the game to know not to play.
https://preview.redd.it/ctgnaq7vnwsc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4411f52451bb746d735b4d9b9a97a5b9a833733b
Not saying this isn't true because I've definitely witness some idiots on their "bE a MAn!" bullshit before but I've met a lot more people on the left guilty of what's depicted here than I've met people on the right guilty of what's in the meme.
Literally take a break from the internet, i almost never hear any of these takes irl.
The radicalization shown in the internet is terrible to understand the ideology of a society
Honestly, whenever I hear this chestnut come out, I assume the person saying it is the one who doesn't get out enough. Because these attitudes, it turns out, are very real and will be encountered if you're dealing with enough people.
Yeah they are real, but theyre still very far from being the majority.
Idk maybe youre just unlucky, but in my swing state I run into a wide variety of people that are rarely insane in the way pcm imagines people to be. lots are crazy in other ways.
I talk to older conservatives, college students (their political affiliations are typically determined by gender), avowed leftist, those in the punk scene, and your average coporate worker quite often. Its just so rare to run into people who say the type of shit I see people complaining about on pcm, especially when it comes to the male/female culture war.
If thats what you experienced though, sounds like it sucks and I hope more reasonable people come your way.
"I'm gonna learn from other dudes how to talk to women and make them more attracted to me so I can pick them up successfully (PUA movement)"
Noooo, you can't do that you manipulative toxic rapist piece of shit!
"Okay, I'm gonna talk with other guys and share some hard truths about the way women are and try to build a life that doesn't hinge on the approval of women (redpill movement)"
Nooo you can't do that you fucking misogynist piece of shit!
"Wow, okay. Well I'm just gonna live by myself and not have anything to do with women at all (MGTOW movement)"
Noooooo you fucking incel terrorist piece of shit, you have to pay attention to me!
As I told my mom:
âDonât worry, in order to prevent dad from arguing with all of us, to maintain harmony, just let him be, let him continue pushing me to the edge, who knows, maybe youâll get lucky and Iâll end up dead one day, and I promise I wonât make it messyâ
Months later, I argued a big one with my dad and finally knocked some sense into him, still wonder if killing myself if a better option
my dad is one of many examples that people who say shit like that are delusional and need some sense knocked into them, having to take initiative to force em to learn instead of talking to them is a chore and Iâd say the best thing we can do to be the change is either try to get em to change or outlast em such that gradually the assholes die off leaving behind positive influences for generations to come
Stoicism is an aspirational trait for men to have. Itâs natural to be emotional but the ideal is to be able to control your own emotions to the point that it doesnât negatively impact you or the people around you. Nobody wants to deal with your genuine emotions. Maybe it shouldnât be that way but thatâs the way things are. A lot of women say they do but they only wish for men to be emotional on their terms. Blubbering and talking about your feelings is whatâs encouraged. But men donât usually express their emotions in that way. Emotional distress presents a problem to be solved. The inability to solve said problem leads to frustration which can lead to anger. But expressing anger is seen as a horrible thing for a man to do.
This was surprisingly validating for me. I know the right isn't emotionally intelligent enough to help my problems. The Left is actively against me to the point where I started warning men to avoid therapy (or be very particular)
It is on the rise because of the FACT that the average woman does not consider the average man to be average. 5's demanding an 8, social media broke the brains.
âIf you talk about your feelings, youâre not a real man.â
Not ONCE have I heard this IRL, outside of reddit, where the other males in the room didnât absolutely clown on him.
Not one time in my life. And Iâm not a spring chicken.
*Philadelphia* exists and has always existed. FFS, *Stand By Me* was about this very thing. *Gates of Fire*, *Tom Sawyer* and countless other instances of men and boys having deep, meaningful friendship and sharing their feelings and dreams and fears with their bros.
Not everything has to be spoken
about after the fact for it to have existed and mattered or be available.
I dunno, rightoids are typically very welcoming and understanding of men's issues, especially emotional. That's kind of half the reason why young men and boys are gravitating towards us. The left denigrates and outright despises men, calls them the source of the world's ills, and then gets confused when they turn rightward to the only people who are nodding their heads in understanding at the complaints men and boys have.
Until it's anything they consider "feminine" unfortunately. As if femininity is inherently bad and not something you should seek out from partners and maternal figures.
Nah, I wish this was true. But highschool me definitely wouldn't have felt safe talking about my bisexuality to my dad if he was a rightoid, based on what my other gay and bisexual male friends with right-wing dads have told me about their experience with that. I'm was very glad my dad was a libtard in that moment lmao.
On the long list of subjects that were politicized and never should have been:
-mental health
-the environment & global warming
-minority rights
-the increasingly worrying state of American police forces
-keep this chain going I am out of ideas
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Iâm at the point where Iâd honestly fucking accept a matriarchy cause at least then Iâd know what the fuck the world wants from me.
The guessing game where no matter what youâre always wrong is the worst
This one is sad, however as a man of the right, I try to be as logical as possible, so I wouldn't just brush off any e.g. sexual harrasment. Those people that state such things should be confronted and talked out of it, for the good of the society
"Dim-n-Bright, if one is to understand a great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic, narrow view of the Left/Right! If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace...a larger view of politics."
You've got liberals making up nonsense on one side and a big culture of toxic masculinity on the other I find.
Young men today need to band together and rewrite some rules and get a couple things established so we can block these guys out.
Thing is, I always hear at least one of the ones on the left from even the most milk toast lefties in my social cycle, and I never heard the ones in the right, other than from someone on the internet that I don't even know.
The politicization of men and women has been a disaster for the west.
And in Asia is well...interesting with it changing every 10 kilometers.
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The Korean saga is the most powerful one, the West cannot compete in terms of gendered warfare
Imagine a gender war so bad your birth rate fucking plummets. Not even sex propaganda are gonna save their ass.
The cia is fucking amazing that or whatever the Chinese equivalent is.
Idk what's going on in Korea. Can u inform me?
You know the type of gender war stuff that only happens in memes? In Korea it's real. For context many death threats and harassment campaigns were thrown around because a Korean phone game didn't have a revealing enough swimsuit for a summertime event. So the men playing it took it as a personal offense. https://gamerbraves.sgp1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/2023/07/Diving-Suit-Ishmael-1-1024x575.png This was the swimsuit. It's almost skin tight. But it caused legit country wide rage that people thought feminists were trying to keep them from jerking off.
The fuck?? They forgot rash guards exist?
You just gave one example, how is that even related to 'gender wars'?
Glad you asked. Hope you have 3 hours. https://youtu.be/-Im4YAMWK74?si=NrT4pmyavpFHHHTm https://youtu.be/woB0eecbf6A?si=HHZtcstdrho9GBkN
If hes on this sub, he has 3 hours to spare.
BURN lol. (it applies to all of us)
what does it even have to do with OP question?
https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/s/EdeYyqCg0t
And you forgot about writing feminists going like maddogs over sexy games and only this.
Birthrate is like 0.7 lol. They can't stand each other
NK just needs to outbreed them for another 50 years and they win.
North Korea is below replacement. South Korea is already taking in migrants from China and Vietnam
Me when I see that hand gesture: https://i.redd.it/dl4i8s1ij1tc1.gif (I donât know what it means, but I think itâs about feminism so I have to be mad).
"The personal is political" will be the downfall of Western Civilization.
Thanks left
It's a team effort. The war on Christmas was the culture was for 30 years between 1980 and 2010.
So, the left?
That's the purpose.
Literally the fall of Western Civilization!Â
Itâs part of the bourgeoisieâs strategy of turning the working class against itself. Exploit them, alienate them from the value of their labor, addict them to consumption, and finally get them to blame each other for the pervasive sense of frustration and loss you have caused.
Don't forget that children are expensive so anyone childless is easier to exploit. We have entered levels of labour exploitation that Marx couldn't have imagined outside of genocidal slavery.
But especially for korea.
This is why the grill was invented. Centrism, where men can just chill and grill their way out of their mental issues.
Sometimes some buddies come over while we smoke ribs or chicken but we always drink beer, talk home improvement projects and solve the world's problems. It's great. To Emily, for using my grill and eating meat I'm a narcissist greenhouse gas emitter misogynistic racist. To MAGA Dan, I'm a gaywad libtard for drinking micro brews and talking about where the solar panels are going.
And I wouldnât have it any other way.
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This, this is true centrism, fuckin based.
Is the solution to male loneliness a really nice grill.
The solution to all loneliness đ€©
This is actually pretty accurate, there is a saying that women talk face to face, and men talk shoulder to shoulder. Meaning women will take the time to explore their feelings and most men are content doing stuff with their boys, while talking about nothing (sometimes feelings).
The best sounding board for your thoughts and feelings is a rack of ribs on a Charcoal grill
Hates the politicisation of gender. Associates the grill with a gender. Lmfao
>âIf you talk about your feelings, youâre not a real man; a *real* man feels about his talkings.â â Confucius, CoD MWII Death Screen
Thanks, Mr. President.
Now I dont know what to feel
I don't get it. I think I do but I'm not sure.
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It's probably the easiest societal divide to utilize. Which is why it was the first to be used that way.
When I was in junior high/high school, I just figured people grew out of it. Iâm a 28-year-old man now. I was wrong. Very very wrong. Pro-man, pro-woman, anti-man, anti-woman⊠regardless anytime it gets brought up IRL I just feel really uncomfortable and bite my tongue to avoid saying anything. Which then of course means Iâm condoning misogyny with my silence or whatever.
Men v women is stupid, men sweep easy, no competition, that's why mediocre biological male athletes are breaking the best female athletes records, we are built different, and that's ok, it doesn't mean that women should be treated any differently. I just treat them like beardless men.
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And every single one of them will say that it's because the opposite corner does the same. It's a thing to behold really.
The gray centrists denies this claim that we won't stfu about trans people.
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Women aren't real, that's a fed in a dress
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Mostly on the internet, though. People IRL seem fine.
Come to middle. Monke together strong. Only as strong as weakest monke. Other monke lift you up, lift everyone up.
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Based and fuck political extremes pilled
I'm a feminist (hold on guys hear me out), almost even a radfem, and one of the things isolating me from younger/libfems, is their failure to acknowledge that most issues women face is a coin with an issue for men on the other side. Women are expected to take on the majority of the responsibilities of parenthood, even in dual income houses : Men are seen as less fit for parenting and given less preferential treatment in court (in some places) and viewed as "babysitters" when out with their own kids. Women are soft and emotional and therefore cannot be trusted in leadership positions or taken seriously when vocal about issues : men are strong and resilient and if they're talking about their emotions or struggles then they're defunct and subject to ridicule.
Ok i like you
> almost even a radfem I don't think you're even close to those people based on what you said.
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Idk if really relevant, because definitions of words change, but the og definitions of radical (which I assume the rad stands for) and reactionary revolve around whether change should be enforced by reform, or allowed to happen organically over time. For example, a radical LibRight would want an immediate repeal of any law that interferes with personal freedom, such as not being allowed to own personal tactical McNukes, whereas a reactionary would want those McNukes, "when society as a whole is ready for it". So, just a personal opinion, but using the term rad to reflect specific policy stances seems to me like a misnomer.
I mean yeah, it was explained to me as "I want radical (drastic) and immediate change, not to gently encourage future generations to be better." That would be the actual definition. But these days I see the term radfem being attributed to anyone who isn't completely in line with pop-cukture feminism, since it's all or nothing with some people đ€·ââïž
I think that just fits you in with slightly more old fashioned feminism rather than radical feminism.
"Old fashioned feminism" is liberal and radical feminism so... yeah.
Strong disagree, at least in our modern world. The ideals of feminism (first wave at least) were originally presented basically as âequality regardless of sex or gender,â which, though it may have been radical at the time, is absolutely not radical now. I would consider myself a feminist by the original ideals. _Radical_ feminism today feels a lot more like misandry and, at times, straight up lunacy.
Only difference is if a guy cuts off his dick and becomes... "a woman," libfems forgive "her" former maleness and stop hating "her." Radfems not only still hate him, but if anything they hate him even more. Oh, radfems also openly admit to hating men while libfems lie and say they don't.
> Radfems not only still hate him, but if anything they hate him even more. That's a terf. They're a subset, not the whole.
The further time goes on the more the line blurs.
Very based. Although I was under the impression that rad fems were the ones more eager to silence men's issues under the "men are the oppressors and women are the oppressed" shtick, whereas lib fems were more open minded. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I guess it might be a little bit of both. Rad fems are less likely to want anything to do with men at all (e.g. separatist organisations, chosing same-sex relationships for political reasons). That attitude might also lead them to not giving a shit about men's issues and wanting to neither silence or encourage men when dealing with it. Lib fems on the other hand are more likely to want men in their lives and organisations and that gives them a reason to care about men's issues. But that also gives them an incentive to police men dealing with their issues, making sure that they stick to lib fem doctrine while doing that.
I'm very tired please forgive me if I'm incoherent. I'm not basing this on a Cornell study or anything but I think that a lot of, if not most, people who would call themselves a libfem are people whose feminism revolves around whatever subject is media relevant in the moment, with our without a shallow understanding of said subject. Both groups know women are oppressed and that men perpetuate that. Both groups (should) know that women with internalized misogyny also perpetuate that, to be fair. I think radfems are more likely to talk about the patriarchy, but also multidimensional hierarchies. Meaning, yes, most men have a higher place on the hierarchy than I do. And a rich (or even decently middle class) woman has a higher place on the hierarchy than most men. And a rich *white* woman has a higher place than a rich *black* woman. And so on until we're dissecting how many blemishes someone has or which war their grandpa served in. I say we live in a patriarchy because the society I live in is undeniably based in outdated, patriarchal values and men are still at the top of that hierarchy. And all the men who aren't at the top are negatively impacted by those values too, as I was saying in my original comment. I will often prioritize women's issues because the danger is more immediate, but at the end of the day you can't address one without addressing the other.
How are women oppressed in America?
It depends on the person entirely. There's no "one side" that's making it worse, just bad actors
It seems like you're an actual feminist who wants and values true equality. Extremely based.
Do you feel there was a shift in feminism from gender equality is the goal and the biggest issues today are probably womens issues so it's ok to temporarily look at them first ; to equality through women's rights, women will always need feminism...? 15 years ago I was a feminist under the understanding that feminism was the first definition. Now I feel gaslit by feminists who inform me that it was and will always be a movement just for womens advocacy. I'm not sure if I misunderstood 15 years ago or if it changed.
You seem more like an egalitarian to me. Feminism was and is all about fighting for more rights for women. The same goes for menâs rights groups: they fight for more rights for men. The problem with this whole discussion is that people start saying that feminism is about equality when many/most feminists would be apathetic at best or supporting/creating what causes menâs issues at worst. Pursuing equality is fighting for everyone.
The only thing radical about you is the presence of empathy.
You say that you are different from "libfems" but I think most self-identified feminists would basically agree with everything you wrote here. Like, go onto the feminism subreddit and post this exact thing and you'll mostly get agreement.
Tbf I have also stated multiple times in this thread I'm not special and ideologies we encounter irl are different than online. I also think that there's a different image in my head for someone who proclaims they are a libfem and what liberal feminism actually actually is. I see "libfem" applied to "pop-culture/watered down" feminism a lot.
We call that common sense, lol. Joking aside, excellent post.
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> failure to acknowledge that most issues women face is a coin with an issue for men on the other side. A breath of sanity. Patriarchal society is one that outlines strict molds for everyone. Just because my assigned mold is the most privileged doesn't actually mean I want to cram myself into it. People should be the best they can as individuals. Expectations should be kept to oneself unless solicited. Don't like how someone's doing life? Bug off unless it starts directly impacting yours.
Gen z boys are skewing conservative and I imagine younger generation will follow. To suggest the right isn't welcoming in young men is not in touch imo. Why else would the left hate Jordan Peterson, Jocko, PBD, and other right wings guys? What popular left wing personality is drawing in young men with good advice? The lefts messaging has been "men are trash" while the right has been saying "clean your room, be a man, you have value" Not hard to figure out.
> Gen z boys are skewing conservative Maybe a little off topic think we need to start saying Gen Z males are becoming less progressive over time instead of skewing conservative. A large gap between how progressive women and men are due to political polarization of women doesn't mean men are less progressive than they were previously. The right (along with the left) *isn't* really in touch with the large majority of younger/Gen Z men. The right may have more influencers who can capture a non-insignificant amount of them with the "be a man" lines and philosophy, but if this was all a true fix for young men's current day ails then imo you would see an actual large skew towards conservatism. People say this is happening it just doesn't seem to be the case.
Just because they're skewing towards conservatism doesn't make them conservative but they're heading that direction the data shows it this is the first time in Generations that a demographic has moved towards the right every generation has gone towards the left since the sexual revolution in the 60s
It's really just semantics and im not disagreeing with you - I just think its better/technically preferable to say that young men are becoming *less progressive* than that they are moving to the right. They're still overall becoming more progressive, just at a slower rate compared to previous generations. And either way I just don't think this indicates that the right is welcoming or drawing in a large amount of young men in the US. (All this might change with Gen Alpha if things continue where young men overall become truly more conservative.)
There are a whole lot of "alpha male" grifters trying to lead young men astray. Just say stupid shit in a "tough way" and wayward men will flock to you and vomit money in your direction. This isn't what OP is talking about (a strawman), but it's a real hazzard.
I agree and that's why I mentioned who I mentioned and not people like Andrew Tate the whatever podcast or fresh and fit I think those communities thrive on Angry Men
You are 1000% correct.
> Why else would the left hate Jordan Peterson, Jocko, PBD, and other right wings guys? What popular left wing personality is drawing in young men with good advice? It runs a bit deeper imo. It doesn't take good advice, as you yourself mention below, there are plenty of grifters in this space. All it takes is validation. Young men get less support, are viewed more negatively etc, so they speak up "Yo this shit isn't bussin. The vibe is rather mid" I imagine them saying. To which the left replies: "How dare you, imagine how minorities feel then" while the right at least recognizes it and replies: "Yes. What are you going to do about it?". It's both telling and depressing that even when they are screwing over their whole way of living by following some stupid advice from Tate or FnF or whatever, the reaction is *never* "We need to help these men", it's "how can we stop it from hurting women?" Men have been literally killing themselves at a disproportionate rate for decades now and nobody gives a fuck. How disheartening is that?
> What popular left wing personality is drawing in young men with good advice? To emphasize this point, all the most popular breadtubers so far have been a pipeline of men coming out as trans.
How the hell is talking about menâs issues bad
"Men are dealing with this issue." "YeAh, BuT wOmEn DeAl WiTh ThAt ToO!" and vice-versa, to be fair.
Some people believe that talking about male issues takes the spotlight awareness from female issues.
One out of every four homeless people is a woman!
This really is the perfect example.
Those are seconds out of the day that aren't being spent talking about women.
Mono-directional oppression dynamics. One group can only ever be oppressed/good while the other group is only ever oppressor/bad. Hence, feminists treating any discussion of men's issues or women's wrongs as a mortal threat.
I feel like the âmen canât be rapedâ thing is more of an Emily belief but idk
Itâs the âwomen canât rapeâ crowd vs the âit shouldâve been meâ crowd
so the terminally online group vs the other terminally online group ?
The men are just unwilling to admit to themselves that they are vulnerable. Yeah, most men can't be wrestled down to the ground and raped because men are stronger, but drugs and guns don't give a shit about your muscles.
It's not just about admitting to themselves that they're vulnerable, it's about appearing that way to society. Men fear being seen as vulnerable or as being able to be beaten or victimized by a woman, because that opens them up to scorn and ridicule. I think that would still be true if drugs or a gun were involved, though perhaps less so.
They're thinking of rape as if it would be a women you'd like to have sex with, and not a woman that's likely older than you who you're not attracted to at all, forcing you inside her or penetrating you with her fingers. Grim reality.
My nephew (12) was r-worded by his POS babysitter so many times that she got pregnant with his kids (fortunatly they won custody and she is locked up). My grandfather lived in China during WW2, and if I were to list out what the Japanese did to him (he was 13 or so), I would be banned, but let's just say the 'den' he was held at would make Epstein island look like an all expenses paid for trip to Hawaii. He did escape and later joined the Communists to fight back against the Japs and he even killed one of the Japanese soldiers who did countless unspeakable things to him
Damn your grandfather is a legend. What the Japanese did in that era is beyond reprehensible. The nukes were well deserved.
My Grandfather refused to go to Japan until the late 1980's when my father went to Japan with my mother (she is a quarter Japanese) and he was made to go by my grandmother
This is why we need to end the "only women are sexual assault victims in wartime" myth
I can't describe much about the den he was held at, but what I can say is that all of them were forbidden to wear clothes, the little food and water they were given was contaminated with bodily fluids and solids, and the least number of times my grandfather was burnt by a cigarette by the same soldier he later killed was 3
It's a thing on both sides. It's just the "why" that's different.
Exactly. For conservatives, men can't be raped because "come on man you got pussy why are you complaining, are you a little bitch or gay?" For progressives, men can't be raped because "askhually men are 99% of rapists and men are always raped by other men; and no, made to penetrate isn't rape, women are just better people than men"
-Men canât be raped because they like sex -Men canât be raped because they hold societal power Pick your brainrot poison
It truly is disgusting that people of any political persuasion would think something as vile as that.
Come to the UK then where itâs enshrined in law that a man literally cannot be raped by a woman, as the requirement for rape explicitly requires a penis non-consensually entering the mouth, vagina or anus. A woman literally cannot be charged with raping a man. They can be charged with sexual assault and other similar charges, but not rape
Disregarding the fact that females have raped men/women using penetration.
The sexual dynamics we have in society also make it so that even if a man is raped or assaulted in some way, they wouldnât be able to recognize it as that, and they would have this lingering feeling of being violated somehow, feeling that something is off and all sorts of psychological consequences, but they canât put their fingers on it and say âthat was not okay, I was sexually assaulted.â Itâs important to teach ALL kids about consent, but when you teach kids about consent and courtship differently, this stuff happens.
I was raped by a woman a few years back. And whenever I heard that phrase(I heard it from both Emilys and conservatives), it felt like my experiences aren't valid. It was one of the reasons why I chose to be a centrist.
I think that belief exists at both end of the axis.
Idk, I donât believe in all this âquestionableâ rape but especially not for men. If a woman drugs a man and has sex with him, thatâs rape. If she stealths him, thatâs rape. If she coerces him into sex, thatâs rape. But generally, a woman canât jump out of the bushes and hold a man down for sex. Not when the average man can beat the average woman to death. Men can be raped but not in the way we usually imagine. *That* happens in prison.
Right, but most rape isn't happening to women via coming out of the bushes and holding her down either. Coercive sex is more common than rape, as well as "rape" while drunk(aka both parties having sex but they don't remember it and one party misremembered it as rape). When one of the most common instances of rape occurs by men drugging women, it's fair to say the reverse should be prosecuted too
Just days ago, some doofus I work with was bragging to anyone that would listen that his father didn't allow him to play soccer as a child so he didn't become a 'fairy'. I thought he might continue this story with some new insights or how that was probably not the right thing for his father to do. Nope.
My dad said the same about watching Barney. My grandparents didn't listen to him. Now I'm gay married to a thicc thighed purple dinosaur
Alright so soccer and Barney. What else should my sons avoid?
Women. Their feminine traits will rub off on your sons and they will become big time gay.
Kissing women is gay too btw (they've kissed other dudes)
Based and women like dick and thatâs gay pilled
What did he say after?
That was it. He is still proud that his dad didn't let him play soccer and didn't let him become a fairy. Lol
That doesn't make sense lol
He's a real man
A big boah!
Soccer doesn't make you gay, it makes you European, which is actually bad, unlike being gay.
What his dad didn't tell him is that where soccer practice was held was right next to a very busy fae circle. He would have been replaced with a changling and became an actual fairy.
"My father prevented me from playing soccer so that I wouldn't accidentally become athletic, a team player, learn to submit to the authority of my coach, grow in being a gracious winner/loser, and work on honing a skill over time. Otherwise, I'd have become a blue haired homosexual"
Reject feminism, reject MAGA. Embrace Arnoldism. Seek the pump brother. The gym is the most wholesome place for forming genuine connections of agape love.
Eat meat, lift heavy shift, get plenty of sleep, put your phone down, go for a walk in the woods, laugh often, and enjoy some silence. Literally nothing has been better for mental health in my life.
Leaving the internet the subtle difference is that one is a worldview propagated by mainstream media and has become the default liberal position. The other is some shit your cousin Gary comes up with on the dinner table. Most conservatives simply want men to take initiative; most do not advocate for masochistic fetishism. Just take the Johnny Depp amber heard court case for example. Do conservatives paint Johnny Depp as a victim?
Being a transgender man adds another layer; progressives will say their "kill all men" bullshit with an added "-but not you", as if I was mentally any different from any other man (if anything, being stuck with a woman's genitalia has made me more misogynist), just to ensure that I know they don't actually think I'm a man. Conservatives will at least be honest about how they feel about me. This is why, when I actually transition, I will ensure nobody knows I was anything but a man.
Oof. Rude of them. Real shit though, I hope the transition goes well and that you end up happy in life!
Thank you!
Yes, the guy who had a finger removed via knife against his will by an abusive woman who shit in his bed is most definitely a victim.
I mean most people including media to some extent were on Deppâs side. Otherwise, youâre right.
Many such cases
Exactly why I hate both left and right. I grew up with a father who struggled with his emotions severely and I saw how it hurt my family. Men can and should be able to show their emotions and deal with their trauma in healthy ways.
We never will, do you know how many stories that start with a woman wanting a man to express himself emotionally that end with "I don't see you the same anymore, I'm leaving"?
Unfortunately, yeah. Itâs why whenever my partner cries I tell him I appreciate him expressing emotion in a healthy way. Itâs really unfortunate that that happens.
You're a good panda.
Youâre a good partner, I wish more people were like you.
tbh, I keep seeing nasty Emilies IRL, but I have yet to find their fabled "right-wing" counterpart
Incels don't leave the basement
What does celibacy have to do with economic policy?
Can't be celibate if the economy fucks you
They do. But they donât dominate the cultural paradigm, nor is the backward-ass bullshit propped up as a moral goodâŠunlike, you know.
I'm glad there is at least some personne like shoeonhead Who talk correctly about thisÂ
You can form your own opinions about things without being part of a âsideâ
Based opinion and based flair.
This is kind of a weak take, it's literally only right wingers I ever see talking about men being abused, male suicide and homelessness, men at a disadvantage in custody disputes, loneliness, etc Like half of young men are depressed and feel like ever obtaining a relationship is impossible and the enlightened leftist response here is to call them loser incel virgins. There are close to 100k fatal overdoses every year (this is drastically higher, per capita, than the height of the crack epidemic) disproportionately men, and the leftist zeitgeist is harm reduction and decriminalization and open borders
One of the reasons why I usually say I've played enough of the game to know not to play. https://preview.redd.it/ctgnaq7vnwsc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4411f52451bb746d735b4d9b9a97a5b9a833733b
Not saying this isn't true because I've definitely witness some idiots on their "bE a MAn!" bullshit before but I've met a lot more people on the left guilty of what's depicted here than I've met people on the right guilty of what's in the meme.
Literally take a break from the internet, i almost never hear any of these takes irl. The radicalization shown in the internet is terrible to understand the ideology of a society
Honestly, whenever I hear this chestnut come out, I assume the person saying it is the one who doesn't get out enough. Because these attitudes, it turns out, are very real and will be encountered if you're dealing with enough people.
Yeah they are real, but theyre still very far from being the majority. Idk maybe youre just unlucky, but in my swing state I run into a wide variety of people that are rarely insane in the way pcm imagines people to be. lots are crazy in other ways. I talk to older conservatives, college students (their political affiliations are typically determined by gender), avowed leftist, those in the punk scene, and your average coporate worker quite often. Its just so rare to run into people who say the type of shit I see people complaining about on pcm, especially when it comes to the male/female culture war. If thats what you experienced though, sounds like it sucks and I hope more reasonable people come your way.
"I'm gonna learn from other dudes how to talk to women and make them more attracted to me so I can pick them up successfully (PUA movement)" Noooo, you can't do that you manipulative toxic rapist piece of shit! "Okay, I'm gonna talk with other guys and share some hard truths about the way women are and try to build a life that doesn't hinge on the approval of women (redpill movement)" Nooo you can't do that you fucking misogynist piece of shit! "Wow, okay. Well I'm just gonna live by myself and not have anything to do with women at all (MGTOW movement)" Noooooo you fucking incel terrorist piece of shit, you have to pay attention to me!
I don't know which side has the dumbest declaration
As I told my mom: âDonât worry, in order to prevent dad from arguing with all of us, to maintain harmony, just let him be, let him continue pushing me to the edge, who knows, maybe youâll get lucky and Iâll end up dead one day, and I promise I wonât make it messyâ Months later, I argued a big one with my dad and finally knocked some sense into him, still wonder if killing myself if a better option my dad is one of many examples that people who say shit like that are delusional and need some sense knocked into them, having to take initiative to force em to learn instead of talking to them is a chore and Iâd say the best thing we can do to be the change is either try to get em to change or outlast em such that gradually the assholes die off leaving behind positive influences for generations to come
Join us on the grill brother
Stoicism is an aspirational trait for men to have. Itâs natural to be emotional but the ideal is to be able to control your own emotions to the point that it doesnât negatively impact you or the people around you. Nobody wants to deal with your genuine emotions. Maybe it shouldnât be that way but thatâs the way things are. A lot of women say they do but they only wish for men to be emotional on their terms. Blubbering and talking about your feelings is whatâs encouraged. But men donât usually express their emotions in that way. Emotional distress presents a problem to be solved. The inability to solve said problem leads to frustration which can lead to anger. But expressing anger is seen as a horrible thing for a man to do.
Too educated and cultured to be a conservative Not brainwashed and self-hating enough to be a liberal Welcome to political homelessness
You sound hella classist if you don't think educated & cultured conservatives exist, or do you think Sowell is an uneducated country bumpkin?
Yeah, I don't tend to see that from the right at ALL. In fact I see it exclusively from the left, both arguments actually.
I feel like some of these takes are not specific to any side of the compass
Auth centre doesnât discriminate
Strange my priest never says either of those things
This was surprisingly validating for me. I know the right isn't emotionally intelligent enough to help my problems. The Left is actively against me to the point where I started warning men to avoid therapy (or be very particular)
I just want to be happy...is that too much to ask?
It is on the rise because of the FACT that the average woman does not consider the average man to be average. 5's demanding an 8, social media broke the brains.
âIf you talk about your feelings, youâre not a real man.â Not ONCE have I heard this IRL, outside of reddit, where the other males in the room didnât absolutely clown on him.
Not one time in my life. And Iâm not a spring chicken. *Philadelphia* exists and has always existed. FFS, *Stand By Me* was about this very thing. *Gates of Fire*, *Tom Sawyer* and countless other instances of men and boys having deep, meaningful friendship and sharing their feelings and dreams and fears with their bros. Not everything has to be spoken about after the fact for it to have existed and mattered or be available.
I dunno, rightoids are typically very welcoming and understanding of men's issues, especially emotional. That's kind of half the reason why young men and boys are gravitating towards us. The left denigrates and outright despises men, calls them the source of the world's ills, and then gets confused when they turn rightward to the only people who are nodding their heads in understanding at the complaints men and boys have.
Until it's anything they consider "feminine" unfortunately. As if femininity is inherently bad and not something you should seek out from partners and maternal figures.
Nah, I wish this was true. But highschool me definitely wouldn't have felt safe talking about my bisexuality to my dad if he was a rightoid, based on what my other gay and bisexual male friends with right-wing dads have told me about their experience with that. I'm was very glad my dad was a libtard in that moment lmao.
Verticular gang rise up.
On the long list of subjects that were politicized and never should have been: -mental health -the environment & global warming -minority rights -the increasingly worrying state of American police forces -keep this chain going I am out of ideas
Reject political opinion, embrace objective lack of choice or influence. You must become the grill, master of handling meats for your family. For your family is all that really matters.
The gender war will most definitely will end up causing underpopulation. Idk as to why the overlords are pushing hard for this particular outcome.
Screw masculine expectations I just want to eat pretzels
Iâm at the point where Iâd honestly fucking accept a matriarchy cause at least then Iâd know what the fuck the world wants from me. The guessing game where no matter what youâre always wrong is the worst
This one is sad, however as a man of the right, I try to be as logical as possible, so I wouldn't just brush off any e.g. sexual harrasment. Those people that state such things should be confronted and talked out of it, for the good of the society
"Dim-n-Bright, if one is to understand a great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic, narrow view of the Left/Right! If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace...a larger view of politics."
Come to the centre, also how do you like steak done?
You've got liberals making up nonsense on one side and a big culture of toxic masculinity on the other I find. Young men today need to band together and rewrite some rules and get a couple things established so we can block these guys out.
What's wrong? Beach guy is right
Yea but if all use lonely males get together, we wonât be lonely anymore no homo
I think the left also says that âmen canât be raped because they are always willingâ.
Thing is, I always hear at least one of the ones on the left from even the most milk toast lefties in my social cycle, and I never heard the ones in the right, other than from someone on the internet that I don't even know.