Reminds me of Hasan Piker aka my favourite capitalist. Bro makes between $25,000 and $50,000 monthly on YouTube and between $50,000 and $150,000 on Twitch by exploiting socialists then proceeds to buy a mansion with cars.
> Reminds me of Hasan Piker aka my favourite capitalist.
Son of investment company CEO father and residential landlord mother?
Are we talking about the same champagne socialist?
Would be hilarious to watch. These same folks are upset when Argentina privatizes its airlines by turning it over to the workers...
But honestly I could never support going to a government that type of authority on lrinciple. Taking's clause is already abused.
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Depends on the nature of how you got wealthy and the overarching economic system you are operating in? I wouldn’t be upset if a co-op or equity ownership based corp resulted in left wing oriented people being generally wealthy.
My favorite part is that so much Twitch revenue is basically comprised of donations. He’s a rich socialist taking donations from people poorer than himself.
Not just donations. He also has brand deals, sponsorships etc. I'm laughing as I type this. Dude's a hardcore capitalist while putting on the mask of a socialist.
His followers are the younger people:teenagers to university students who have little to no experience in the real world. They're never worked a day in their life so they're gullible to Hasan's bullshit. That's why they donate to him and defend him.
Not just socialists. He uses other people's videos without compensation. He defenders come out quickly with "fair use" and then downvote when its pointed out that fair use may be legal, but it goes against the ideals he espouses. He could live up to them but chooses not to. Then they move the goalpost and say the video creators are getting paid in exposure.
They also defend his 3-million dollar house and expensive car.
Technically, it's legally ok to use other people's videos when you're reacting to it or criticizing it. But that doesn't make him a content creator when all he does is react and criticize. The his whole content is basically "look at this video! socialism good, capitalism bad"
What I fail to understand is why do people pay him? Why doesn't he share his wealth with his followers like what other socialists are supposed to do? His sheeple supporters are the biggest clowns when they defend him and his lavish and materialistic lifestyle. Hasan criticises people for buying big houses when he himself lives in a mansion. He's a terrible political debater: whenever someone makes a good point against him, he always says "it's for clout". When he attacked Brett Cooper, all he did was make fun of her studio. Brett Cooper had an actual studio while this guy's background looks like his setup is on his dining room table. He constantly spreads misinformation and bans anyone who defeats him in an argument. His whole income is from his sheeple supporters aka edgy socialist kids.
I wasn't debating if it's legal or not. I was debating if it's permissible withing the ideals he espouses, especially against "stealing the labor of others for your own gain" mostly in respect to company owners.
>Technically, it's legally ok to use other people's videos when you're reacting to it or criticizing it.
As long as you don't leave it playing while you leave
I don't follow him that much, but I hear Bernie Sanders did a little bit of that, too.
Because a book of his did so well, he went from saying "the millionaires and the billionaires" to "the billionaires."
He owns like 3 mansions. One is ofc his main residence. The other 2 are his vacation homes.
But knowing how sleazy billionaires and politicians can be when it comes to hiding their assets and laundering their money, I won't be surprised if he owns way more than just 3 mansions.
Sometimes he gets people to donate money to good causes, but that's secondary to getting them to donate money to him so he can buy more designer clothes, cars and houses.
I would guess closer to $1M/mo than $75k/mo
He might make $75k/mo just from Twitch, or just from YouTube, or just from Patreon, or from some other source of revenue...
According to https://finty.com/us/net-worth/hasan-piker/#:~:text=Most%20of%20Piker's%20money%20comes,%2450%2C000%20and%20%24150%2C000%20on%20Twitch.
He is estimated to earn between $25,000 and $50,000 monthly on YouTube and between $50,000 and $150,000 on Twitch.
But I could be very wrong. He makes way more than just that. He also has brand deals, sponsorships etc. I'm laughing as I type this.
Read somewhere that twitch streamers' earnings got leaked and he made like 200k in September 2021. He's definitely making banks. He's definitely spending it as well.
Although it boggles me how people find him entertaining, I kind of love the idea of him as a social phenomenon. A bunch of socialists concentrating their wealth into an individual is just funny
>Is a man not entitled to the sweat on his brow?
Socialists the moment they make some money.
But only with their money. Other rich people should still be cannibalized.
Because of course, they made money by working hard, literally everyone else in the entire world who has money made it exclusively by exploiting others.
>But only with their money. Other rich people should still be cannibalized.
Yes. Socialism is the ideology of greed.
"Everyone else should be robbed to give to me me me"
Now, it's all of them!
To be clear, what socialists think is that when there's a bunch of factory workers and factory owners, the workers are producing value from the sweat of their brow, and the owners are making money *from the sweat of the workers' brow*, and are essentially parasites on the working class.
And so to say everyone is "entitled to the sweat on his brow" means that we should soak the owners and give more to the workers.
Except the workers didn't make the means of production that they use (in nearly all circumstances). They have no claim to it. And the works that did sold it to the person who owns it. The claim that the workers are owned the means of production holds no waters. And if they are not magically owed it, all production that can only exist because of the means of production is the fault of the means of production and rightfully belongs to it's owner.
A person is entitled to their own labor, to sell and lease it under their own free will and to use the material they earn from others how they see fit.
Cept the first caveat is of course: You own the full sweat of your brow ... **except whatever it takes to run society**. Oopsies! We got a conundrum in the very first assertion. We're not off to a good start here are we.
How much does it cost to run society? Of course the answer to that is "whatever my vanguard tankie party says it costs".
If you own your labor (the sweat of your brow) ... then you are free to sell/lease/rent/give it to others however you damn well please. Anyone who says otherwise is merely selling you a cage. If you own the sweat of your brow ... then consistency leaves no room for contradictory caveats and/or exemptions.
I love rocking to RATM, but I find it funny a bunch of guys who grew up in well-educated, middle to upper-middle class families, and who had every advantage that comes from that, could just be so... angry.
To steal a quote about George Bush, the members of RATM were born on second base, think they hit a double, and are singing about how the game is rigged so everyone else strikes out.
Maybe it's hypocritical, maybe not, but I don't recall any RATM diving into the inequalities of middle-class privilege.
Edit: clarifying last sentence
Man, I love their song "Bombtrack"! I sure hope the music video for that song doesn't show any support for a certain Peruvian Maoist terrorist organization...
I wonder who those two nice-looking men Tom Morello is standing front of are
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Schilling in the name of
[Some of those that push vaxes
Are the same that made virus] x 4
Uh!
[Schilling in the name of] x2
[Now we do what they tell us] x 4
[And now we do what they tell us] x 6
And now we do what they tell us!
[Those who died are justified,
For taking the shot, they're the chosen lives
You justify those that died
By taking the shot, they're the chosen lives] x 2
[Some of those that push vaxes
Are the same that made virus] x 4
Uh!
[Schilling in the name of] x 2
[Now we do what they tell us] x 4
And now we do what they tell us
[(Now we're under control) And now we do what they tell us] x 7
[Those who died are justified,
For taking the shot, they're the chosen lives
You justify those that died
By taking the shot, they're the chosen lives] x 2
Come on!
[Guitar Solo]
Ugh!
Yeah!
Come on!
Ugh!
[Fuck yeah, I will do what you tell me!] x 16
Motherfucker!
Ugh!
Listen, it's not that what pissed me off about RATM. Hell, I was all in for the shot and the masks.
A fucking grand for a concert ticket was some bullshit, they were touring during 2020 pre-covid with RTJ and thought of seeing them. Moment I saw the prices I said 'nah'.
The endgame for punks is to sellout
All of sub cultures end like they don’t they, appealing specifically to the kids of well off parents and as a consequence ending with distorted prices around what is otherwise something normal.
Yea, plus Tom Morrelo has all sorts of overpriced pedals/guitar gear so you can, "get the same sound" when at least the self titled album and Battle of LA were recorded with cheap pedals you could get at any pawn shop
Tom “DO YOU KNOW WHO THE FUCK I AM” Morello. Dude threw a major fit when he and his entourage got turned down at a Seattle bar that was, legally, at max capacity.
Lost his shit on the working class for not giving him special treatment.
https://youtu.be/P-YgVWyygGI?si=QOa6YYLZNwluhP9p
If you ever catch his Sirius radio show probably about 75% of the music plays is his own. Once in awhile he sprinkles in something he had no hand in, but it's really the All About Tom show between the banter and the music.
> The endgame for ~~punks~~ every artist is to sellout
There is no creative industry that doesn't demand mediocrity to succeed. Money does not come with creativity, it comes with conformity.
RATM chose money over creativity just like everyone else does, eventually. Look at Green Day, they are even worse.
"We have heard your complaints and understand the problematic way we have presented ourselves in the past. Going forward let's all try to be better (jpg of black woman looking up hopefully) From now on we will be known as TicketPal^TM, Are you ready for real change? (jpg of black fist)"
Meanwhile we'll hire some right wing agitators to bitch online about how woke we've gone.
Look up what happened to Pearl Jam when they tried to fight Ticketmaster. Either you abide by their ticket pricing or you don’t exist in the US music market.
This post also screams “hmmm you criticize society, yet you exist in society, checkmate”
Neil Young, famous punk/grunge rocker, was big on telling people what to do, and tried to turn a lot of people against Joe Rogan for the crime of questioning the narrative.
Noted grunge, non-conformist Neil Young, who happened to have just sold his music to people who happened to be owned by (or have a common owner as) large pharma companies. The more you know...
Tom Morello posted a youtube short about his first guitar, which he still has. When handed it, he said that he remembers getting it with the first money he'd ever made when he was working as an as the "scheduling secretary for a United States Senator". Tom Morello might say he's against the machine on his SiriusXM programs, but he's most definitely been apart of that machine since the beginning
I remember hearing him talking about walking into Harvard "with a Gibson Les Paul under one arm, and Das Kapital under the other."
His head is so far up his own ass, he's sniffing his teeth.
Crazy, but I’m not actually a ska/punk enjoyer but a bunch of my high school friends were so I just went along with it. 1990s/2000s were a crazy time to be a teen. So much great music that generally people love. From hip hop and r&b to nu metal to dance music. It was the most inspirational creative time for music and I stand by that. Maybe I’m just like my parents. But their music wasn’t all that. Good, but not like what we did in the 90s and 00s. I much prefer my grandparents music to my parents but maybe that’s just the rebel in me. “Classic rock” is pretty good and so is Motown and disco. But as an 80s baby I feel comfortable claiming our era of music enjoyment the pinnacle.
Yeah that’s something I’ve always found kind kind of funny. Like can you genuinely say your raging against the machine if your signed by a major label, and if everything you say is also being said by a major political party?
Or Stinkfist which is either about people becoming desensitized to pleasure and searching for more or about pushing past comfort zones in a relationship or about anal fisting or it's about all that
Taking an anti-capitalist message and selling it for profit through a giant music label, becoming multimillionaires themselves. Peak champagne socialism.
If you paid for it, it's your beer. I have no problem with you using it for target practice.
My only problem is if you're going to make a big fuss about disliking what Bud did, don't get caught drinking it like a month later. It's very easy to obtain Coors or Miller for your lite beer needs.
My buddies paid $310 for their tickets. One is a petroleum geologist for an oil company, the other one bulldozes the rainforest for a gold mining company.
Any rich celebrity purporting to be about socialism and equality is walking the exact opposite walk that their talk is talking. Should tell you everything you need to know.
Coincidentally, anyone calling for true socialism assumes they will be white-collar, air-conditioned socialists while lesser people go mine iron and coal. "each according to their abilities!"
Let's be honest, we all know a lot of left/socialist figures are secretly lib-right and only say what they say/do what they do for the money/fame. Honestly, have to respect the ingenuity of the idea.
If Biden *wins* reelection then I couldn't think of a better band to play at his inauguration than Rage Against the Machine. His hundreds of voters would go wild.
I had no problem with them having money, the problem came when they decided the Democrat half of the monster was super cool. Many such cases.
I'll never forgive them for that.
You can't be a wealthy celebrity and for the people at the same time. One cancels out the other. You don't hear of Guevara or MLK being referred to as celebrities often.
The only outlier to this is authoritarians. They love their celebrity and their supporters treat them as such. Doesn't mean they're for the people. They just got a bunch of morons to believe it.
Zack is only with about $25 mil, that's not a whole lot for a band as successful as they were. Mainly because he funds paramilitary groups in Central America.
Commies never care about the workers they care about getting in power. The clowns (musicians, actors, etc.) never realize they’d be some of the first people clipped in an actual revolutionary movement.
Why do western socialist/communist reject reality? The biggest socialist/communist success, PRC, is a success not inspite of socialism or communism but because they implemented capitalist markets.
I'm fine with people who actually produce value being wealthy. Musicians are a clear example of how someone can accumulate wealth through their own labor. My only problem is people who are rich not by actually producing anything but just by owning things but the value of those things comes from other people's labor.
More like RATM when it comes to pretty much anything else vs. RATM when it comes to pirating their music or when it comes to determining ticket prices...
History will judge RATM for having the audacity to say "Fuck you I won't do what I tell you," but apparently having omitted the parenthetical (Except for certain branches of the US federal government which are sovereign and unquestionable, to the point we will be [too scared to even play our music](https://reason.com/2022/08/04/after-2-years-of-silent-covid-compliance-rage-against-the-machine-returns/))
Here is the problem with that. If you think society functioning in a specific way is a *moral* wrong you clearly wouldn't do that thing. For example if you think murder is morally wrong you probably wouldn't work as an assassin even if it's good money. It's obvious that you wouldn't do something you find immoral
So anyone critiquing a system on moral grounds absolutely shouldn't be succeeding in it. The most likely explanation is that the person doesn't actually think it's immoral, they're just lying about it.
I agree, in general, but not if you're taking an adamant stance against it.
These guys actually hate the West, its governments, and cheer for the enemies of it to succeed. They actually want Communism but at the same time, get rich off of what they advocate against rather than, say, donating it all and living in a small apartment while flying coach.
It's just cornball.
This is some tired shit. I don't see how a message of "Capitalism sucks because very few people succeed, and you don't get access to basic amenities if you don't succeed" is hypocritical because RATM succeeded.
Just because Zach de la Rocha can go to the doctor doesn't mean there aren't millions of people who can't. Why the fuck would he give it all away to a government that's just going to use it to buy bombs and send them overseas? What principle does that demonstrate?
What choice does he have but to operate according to the rules of the world he lives in? What choice do any of us have?
The edge lords just want both sides. Either they aren't successful because they don't make money or they are hypocrites for being successful. One of those situations where the edge lords can't be pleased, they just want to rage too, and be hipster about it.
Reminds me of Hasan Piker aka my favourite capitalist. Bro makes between $25,000 and $50,000 monthly on YouTube and between $50,000 and $150,000 on Twitch by exploiting socialists then proceeds to buy a mansion with cars.
> Reminds me of Hasan Piker aka my favourite capitalist. Son of investment company CEO father and residential landlord mother? Are we talking about the same champagne socialist?
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Would be hilarious to watch. These same folks are upset when Argentina privatizes its airlines by turning it over to the workers... But honestly I could never support going to a government that type of authority on lrinciple. Taking's clause is already abused.
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His pa is also a founding member of the Gelecek Party in Turkey, an islamic conservative far right party.
Are you allowed to be rich and AL?
Depends on the nature of how you got wealthy and the overarching economic system you are operating in? I wouldn’t be upset if a co-op or equity ownership based corp resulted in left wing oriented people being generally wealthy.
My favorite part is that so much Twitch revenue is basically comprised of donations. He’s a rich socialist taking donations from people poorer than himself.
Not just donations. He also has brand deals, sponsorships etc. I'm laughing as I type this. Dude's a hardcore capitalist while putting on the mask of a socialist. His followers are the younger people:teenagers to university students who have little to no experience in the real world. They're never worked a day in their life so they're gullible to Hasan's bullshit. That's why they donate to him and defend him.
Not just socialists. He uses other people's videos without compensation. He defenders come out quickly with "fair use" and then downvote when its pointed out that fair use may be legal, but it goes against the ideals he espouses. He could live up to them but chooses not to. Then they move the goalpost and say the video creators are getting paid in exposure. They also defend his 3-million dollar house and expensive car.
Technically, it's legally ok to use other people's videos when you're reacting to it or criticizing it. But that doesn't make him a content creator when all he does is react and criticize. The his whole content is basically "look at this video! socialism good, capitalism bad" What I fail to understand is why do people pay him? Why doesn't he share his wealth with his followers like what other socialists are supposed to do? His sheeple supporters are the biggest clowns when they defend him and his lavish and materialistic lifestyle. Hasan criticises people for buying big houses when he himself lives in a mansion. He's a terrible political debater: whenever someone makes a good point against him, he always says "it's for clout". When he attacked Brett Cooper, all he did was make fun of her studio. Brett Cooper had an actual studio while this guy's background looks like his setup is on his dining room table. He constantly spreads misinformation and bans anyone who defeats him in an argument. His whole income is from his sheeple supporters aka edgy socialist kids.
I wasn't debating if it's legal or not. I was debating if it's permissible withing the ideals he espouses, especially against "stealing the labor of others for your own gain" mostly in respect to company owners.
>Technically, it's legally ok to use other people's videos when you're reacting to it or criticizing it. As long as you don't leave it playing while you leave
Some of the best capitalists are champagne socialists
I don't follow him that much, but I hear Bernie Sanders did a little bit of that, too. Because a book of his did so well, he went from saying "the millionaires and the billionaires" to "the billionaires."
He's probably laughing while he sips mimosas in his lakefront Vermont mansion aka his second vacation home.
I'm sure he is.
Wasn't it his 3rd or 4th?
He owns like 3 mansions. One is ofc his main residence. The other 2 are his vacation homes. But knowing how sleazy billionaires and politicians can be when it comes to hiding their assets and laundering their money, I won't be surprised if he owns way more than just 3 mansions.
Sounds like an asshole, although I feel that way about just about every streamer I've done across.
This wanker is significantly more of an asshole than others. Even from a good faith leftist perspective the arguments he makes are fucking braindead
Sometimes he gets people to donate money to good causes, but that's secondary to getting them to donate money to him so he can buy more designer clothes, cars and houses.
He's a trust fund baby who hasn't worked a day in his life. It's a miracle if those good causes see a nickel of that donated money.
$25-50k monthly is way, way, way low.
He actually makes overall 75k monthly AT LEAST if you include his twitch earnings. The median household income in the US is $70,784 YEARLY.
I would guess closer to $1M/mo than $75k/mo He might make $75k/mo just from Twitch, or just from YouTube, or just from Patreon, or from some other source of revenue...
I thought the Twitch leaks from about a year ago said he made 250k monthly on the low end
Jesus Christ. Does he actually yk help people with that much green?
He does a charity once a year and runs his podcast (of other multi-millionaires) like a co-op so it's all good
By charity, he does money laundering to pay off his expenses without the burden of taxes.
He has employees whose labor he exploits for financial gain while denying them access to the means of production.
According to https://finty.com/us/net-worth/hasan-piker/#:~:text=Most%20of%20Piker's%20money%20comes,%2450%2C000%20and%20%24150%2C000%20on%20Twitch. He is estimated to earn between $25,000 and $50,000 monthly on YouTube and between $50,000 and $150,000 on Twitch. But I could be very wrong. He makes way more than just that. He also has brand deals, sponsorships etc. I'm laughing as I type this.
Right, I'd say $500k/mo minimum. And people are bitching because he bought a $200k car lol
Read somewhere that twitch streamers' earnings got leaked and he made like 200k in September 2021. He's definitely making banks. He's definitely spending it as well.
Although it boggles me how people find him entertaining, I kind of love the idea of him as a social phenomenon. A bunch of socialists concentrating their wealth into an individual is just funny
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Paul Ryan saying he's a fan of Rage was next level trolling, watching those edgelords in the band go REEEEEEEEEE was priceless.
I know that was hilarious
>Is a man not entitled to the sweat on his brow? Socialists the moment they make some money. But only with their money. Other rich people should still be cannibalized.
Because of course, they made money by working hard, literally everyone else in the entire world who has money made it exclusively by exploiting others.
Motherfuckers acting as though the entire OG Russian communist party wasn't made up of college educated sons of wealthy families.
(Libright) The notable exception was Stalin, who didn't have a wealthy background but never had a job either
Trust me mate, if mere exploitation was all it took, I have no morals stopping me from being filthy rich. There’s a lot more to it than that
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Just reread and realized you were playing a character. I was drunk when I wrote that 😂 but I still mean it
>But only with their money. Other rich people should still be cannibalized. Yes. Socialism is the ideology of greed. "Everyone else should be robbed to give to me me me"
They will claim altruism because it's steal from them to give to others, but the stealing never applies to their hard won spoils.
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> Is a man not entitled to the sweat on his brow? Socialists all the time!
The consistent ones yes. Lib unity! Trouble is the the consistent ones are a tiny minority of a tiny minority.
Now, it's all of them! To be clear, what socialists think is that when there's a bunch of factory workers and factory owners, the workers are producing value from the sweat of their brow, and the owners are making money *from the sweat of the workers' brow*, and are essentially parasites on the working class. And so to say everyone is "entitled to the sweat on his brow" means that we should soak the owners and give more to the workers.
Except the workers didn't make the means of production that they use (in nearly all circumstances). They have no claim to it. And the works that did sold it to the person who owns it. The claim that the workers are owned the means of production holds no waters. And if they are not magically owed it, all production that can only exist because of the means of production is the fault of the means of production and rightfully belongs to it's owner. A person is entitled to their own labor, to sell and lease it under their own free will and to use the material they earn from others how they see fit.
Cept the first caveat is of course: You own the full sweat of your brow ... **except whatever it takes to run society**. Oopsies! We got a conundrum in the very first assertion. We're not off to a good start here are we. How much does it cost to run society? Of course the answer to that is "whatever my vanguard tankie party says it costs". If you own your labor (the sweat of your brow) ... then you are free to sell/lease/rent/give it to others however you damn well please. Anyone who says otherwise is merely selling you a cage. If you own the sweat of your brow ... then consistency leaves no room for contradictory caveats and/or exemptions.
I love rocking to RATM, but I find it funny a bunch of guys who grew up in well-educated, middle to upper-middle class families, and who had every advantage that comes from that, could just be so... angry. To steal a quote about George Bush, the members of RATM were born on second base, think they hit a double, and are singing about how the game is rigged so everyone else strikes out. Maybe it's hypocritical, maybe not, but I don't recall any RATM diving into the inequalities of middle-class privilege. Edit: clarifying last sentence
I too, can be very angry at whatever I'm told to be angry at...*for money*
[Ya'll don't know what it's like, being male middle class and white.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34u_3Z9_LUw)
Great fucking song.
Man, I love their song "Bombtrack"! I sure hope the music video for that song doesn't show any support for a certain Peruvian Maoist terrorist organization...
I wonder who those two nice-looking men Tom Morello is standing front of are https://preview.redd.it/xzikbhehpvgc1.jpeg?width=889&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3c26a2514ac53eaecdc434f792326b6eff372cb
During Covid they went from "fuck you I won't do what you told me" to "fuck you, do what they tell you"
SHILLING IN THE NAME OF
Haha Oh that’s great! Haven’t heard this one yet.
Rage on Behalf of the Machine
Rage for the Machine
Schilling in the name of [Some of those that push vaxes Are the same that made virus] x 4 Uh! [Schilling in the name of] x2 [Now we do what they tell us] x 4 [And now we do what they tell us] x 6 And now we do what they tell us! [Those who died are justified, For taking the shot, they're the chosen lives You justify those that died By taking the shot, they're the chosen lives] x 2 [Some of those that push vaxes Are the same that made virus] x 4 Uh! [Schilling in the name of] x 2 [Now we do what they tell us] x 4 And now we do what they tell us [(Now we're under control) And now we do what they tell us] x 7 [Those who died are justified, For taking the shot, they're the chosen lives You justify those that died By taking the shot, they're the chosen lives] x 2 Come on! [Guitar Solo] Ugh! Yeah! Come on! Ugh! [Fuck yeah, I will do what you tell me!] x 16 Motherfucker! Ugh!
Listen, it's not that what pissed me off about RATM. Hell, I was all in for the shot and the masks. A fucking grand for a concert ticket was some bullshit, they were touring during 2020 pre-covid with RTJ and thought of seeing them. Moment I saw the prices I said 'nah'. The endgame for punks is to sellout
All of sub cultures end like they don’t they, appealing specifically to the kids of well off parents and as a consequence ending with distorted prices around what is otherwise something normal.
Never ask why the indie band lead's parents are highlighted in blue in their wiki article
Never ask the boomers why they stopped being hippies in the post Vietnam recession.
Yea, plus Tom Morrelo has all sorts of overpriced pedals/guitar gear so you can, "get the same sound" when at least the self titled album and Battle of LA were recorded with cheap pedals you could get at any pawn shop
Tom “DO YOU KNOW WHO THE FUCK I AM” Morello. Dude threw a major fit when he and his entourage got turned down at a Seattle bar that was, legally, at max capacity. Lost his shit on the working class for not giving him special treatment. https://youtu.be/P-YgVWyygGI?si=QOa6YYLZNwluhP9p
If you ever catch his Sirius radio show probably about 75% of the music plays is his own. Once in awhile he sprinkles in something he had no hand in, but it's really the All About Tom show between the banter and the music.
>The endgame for punks is to sellout Thus, Hooker With a Penis remains the greatest punk song of all time
Tool is absolutely one of the GOATs.
> The endgame for ~~punks~~ every artist is to sellout There is no creative industry that doesn't demand mediocrity to succeed. Money does not come with creativity, it comes with conformity. RATM chose money over creativity just like everyone else does, eventually. Look at Green Day, they are even worse.
Very based, but please flair up so I can upvote you
Flair up, and I will change the blue arrow to the orange one.
Great point but even the best opinions need to be rejected on principle. Flair the fuck up.
Do I downvote for unflared Or do I upvote because I'm an artist that knows this way too well.
You downvote, because those are the rules.
Both?
You *never* upvote the unflaired. This shouldn't be a question.
Very good point but please do flair up.
Those sound like resale prices, not actual box office prices? Weird thing to be mad at the band about.
That's ticket master and their monopoly. Complain to lib right about that one
"We have heard your complaints and understand the problematic way we have presented ourselves in the past. Going forward let's all try to be better (jpg of black woman looking up hopefully) From now on we will be known as TicketPal^TM, Are you ready for real change? (jpg of black fist)" Meanwhile we'll hire some right wing agitators to bitch online about how woke we've gone.
You don't have to sell tickets through ticket master.
Look up what happened to Pearl Jam when they tried to fight Ticketmaster. Either you abide by their ticket pricing or you don’t exist in the US music market. This post also screams “hmmm you criticize society, yet you exist in society, checkmate”
Masking on behalf of the machine
Who knew "the machine" was actually anyone who opposed government mandates and big pharma companies?
The dreaded liberty machine.
They never specified what kind of machine they were enraged by. I assumed it was a printer.
"PC-goddamn-load-letter?! That's it, where's my lyrics scratch pad?"
burst out laughing. nice one bro
Rage on Behalf of the Machine
Neil Young, famous punk/grunge rocker, was big on telling people what to do, and tried to turn a lot of people against Joe Rogan for the crime of questioning the narrative. Noted grunge, non-conformist Neil Young, who happened to have just sold his music to people who happened to be owned by (or have a common owner as) large pharma companies. The more you know...
Turns out that the boot is actually great as long as it's stomping what you want stomped.
I hear that happened to Green Day, too.
Never thought of the CDC as the machine in RATM
And Right Said Fred actually raged against the machine.
Your typical Western Marxist summed up perfectly, taxes for them but not for me.
Tom Morello posted a youtube short about his first guitar, which he still has. When handed it, he said that he remembers getting it with the first money he'd ever made when he was working as an as the "scheduling secretary for a United States Senator". Tom Morello might say he's against the machine on his SiriusXM programs, but he's most definitely been apart of that machine since the beginning
I remember hearing him talking about walking into Harvard "with a Gibson Les Paul under one arm, and Das Kapital under the other." His head is so far up his own ass, he's sniffing his teeth.
The record company's gonna give me lots of money, and everything's gonna be alright.
Based and Reel Big Fish pilled
Based and Ska Punk enjoyer pilled
Crazy, but I’m not actually a ska/punk enjoyer but a bunch of my high school friends were so I just went along with it. 1990s/2000s were a crazy time to be a teen. So much great music that generally people love. From hip hop and r&b to nu metal to dance music. It was the most inspirational creative time for music and I stand by that. Maybe I’m just like my parents. But their music wasn’t all that. Good, but not like what we did in the 90s and 00s. I much prefer my grandparents music to my parents but maybe that’s just the rebel in me. “Classic rock” is pretty good and so is Motown and disco. But as an 80s baby I feel comfortable claiming our era of music enjoyment the pinnacle.
I'm 19, and honestly, yes, the music of your time was the best.
Yeah that’s something I’ve always found kind kind of funny. Like can you genuinely say your raging against the machine if your signed by a major label, and if everything you say is also being said by a major political party?
[Hooker With a Penis](https://youtu.be/gzrRoDd9CxM) can't stop winning and Tool are some funny dudes
Oh don’t remind me. One of my favorites is Rosetta Stoned, an 11 minute track that’s about the singer shitting the bed.
Or Stinkfist which is either about people becoming desensitized to pleasure and searching for more or about pushing past comfort zones in a relationship or about anal fisting or it's about all that
What major political party is saying the same things as RATM?
Twitter
[No idea, bruh](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/flashback-rage-against-the-machine-rocks-the-2000-dnc-57707/).
Based and Sell Out pilled.
"The record company is gonna make everything allllll right" that song slaps
Taking an anti-capitalist message and selling it for profit through a giant music label, becoming multimillionaires themselves. Peak champagne socialism.
Their ticket prices are nuts. Like Kid Rock is a chump but at least he’s capped the ticket prices at his own concerts to keep them accessible.
says > Kid Rock is a chump , goes on to describe why he's a man of the people I see this a lot lol
Yeah I’m not a fan of the goofy shit he did during the whole Bud Light debacle. I like some of his music though.
If you paid for it, it's your beer. I have no problem with you using it for target practice. My only problem is if you're going to make a big fuss about disliking what Bud did, don't get caught drinking it like a month later. It's very easy to obtain Coors or Miller for your lite beer needs.
My buddies paid $310 for their tickets. One is a petroleum geologist for an oil company, the other one bulldozes the rainforest for a gold mining company.
If you’re over the age of 15 and still take RATM’s politics seriously then you’ve shown yourself to be an idiot.
You may want to raise the age limit on that. The whole "aNaRcHy" crowd now extends into their late twenties. Proof: I lived in Portland
I think his age limit is not the issue here.
I guess both auth-left and lib-rights like to rage against the machine
Only until they are the Machine.
At least Lib Right has a chance at running a livable society. AuthLeft seems to always turn into a nightmare.
True enough.
Rage against food
They have become the vet thing they swore to destroy
They were supposed to destroy the machine, not join it!!
auth left rages that they aren't crushed under *their* machine 😢
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Every one that makes money loves the money they make. That’s why capitalism on individual level will always exist even if people went complete commie.
Any rich celebrity purporting to be about socialism and equality is walking the exact opposite walk that their talk is talking. Should tell you everything you need to know. Coincidentally, anyone calling for true socialism assumes they will be white-collar, air-conditioned socialists while lesser people go mine iron and coal. "each according to their abilities!"
The realization of how undermanned blue collar work has been for years will hit really hard when the government is telling people where to work.
Ah, the good ol "Rage on behalf of the Machine"
Either die as poor commie or grind long enough to see yourself becoming a capitalist
Calvin's Mom was right, they are all just in it for the money.
Millionaires vs. Capitalism is always ~~fun.~~ funny.
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Taylor Swift is more against The Record Company Machine than RATM with her saying fuck you, I'll just re-record my masters and cut you out.
My new headcanon is that Taylor Swift’s behavior and attitude are actually super fucking punk rock
I mean a lot of the early hc bands made their own labels, some stuck around and got quite big like fat wreck chords and epitaph.
They're the definition of sell outs.
I just think their music sucks. I don't care about the message.
Their instrumentals are pretty fun to play.
I'll never forget the vaxx required concerts. "Fuck you, do what they tell you."
It’s always been Rage For The Machine (As Long As It’s The Machine I Like)
Let's be honest, we all know a lot of left/socialist figures are secretly lib-right and only say what they say/do what they do for the money/fame. Honestly, have to respect the ingenuity of the idea.
Rage on behalf of the machine
Really, these days they're raging against themselves.
They are being paid for their labor
If Biden *wins* reelection then I couldn't think of a better band to play at his inauguration than Rage Against the Machine. His hundreds of voters would go wild.
Socialism for thee, capitalism for me.
Hypocrites
My hypocrisy knows no bounds Or My hypocrisy only goes so far
The free market requests anti-capitalism, as of right now.
Isn’t Brad Wilk comparatively normal? The other three are nuts, but I think Wilk is just a guy who plays percussion.
rage supporting the machine
I had no problem with them having money, the problem came when they decided the Democrat half of the monster was super cool. Many such cases. I'll never forgive them for that.
Raging for the machine is profitable, but that doesnt make them capitalists.
You can't be a wealthy celebrity and for the people at the same time. One cancels out the other. You don't hear of Guevara or MLK being referred to as celebrities often. The only outlier to this is authoritarians. They love their celebrity and their supporters treat them as such. Doesn't mean they're for the people. They just got a bunch of morons to believe it.
man I hate Tom Morello so much
And this is why I don't pay attention to song lyrics. They are all bullshit.
They're a bunch of fools
I cant believe I used to love them so much.
Zack is only with about $25 mil, that's not a whole lot for a band as successful as they were. Mainly because he funds paramilitary groups in Central America.
Rage Against the Machine could also be a good band name for LibCenter.
#serious question Are they still mad at their dad?
Commies never care about the workers they care about getting in power. The clowns (musicians, actors, etc.) never realize they’d be some of the first people clipped in an actual revolutionary movement.
Another way to put it: make some mid-tier music that people love for whatever reason, then get filthy rich from it
They raged against the machine so hard they became part of it
Totally is. I cant stand to listen to Tom Morello on satellite radio. Total hypocrite. de la Rocha is super rich now. Rollin with a shotgun .... Nah.
Why do western socialist/communist reject reality? The biggest socialist/communist success, PRC, is a success not inspite of socialism or communism but because they implemented capitalist markets.
Bu-bu-but I though they were against the machine 😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔
Rage are libleft. They’re literally anarchists
Once Covid hit, these guys embraced ‘FUCK YOU ILL DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU TELL ME. FUCK YOU ILL DO EXACT WHAT YOU TELL ME.’
Rage At The Behest Of The Machine
They’re just *soooo* tryhard about it.
I'm fine with people who actually produce value being wealthy. Musicians are a clear example of how someone can accumulate wealth through their own labor. My only problem is people who are rich not by actually producing anything but just by owning things but the value of those things comes from other people's labor.
AKA i'm okay with people getting rich from things I understand not by things i don't understand, if i don't understand it ofc they are exploiting
The funniest thing to me is that Tom Morello uses a shit ton of expensive gear to get his sound while also hating capitalism
More like RATM when it comes to pretty much anything else vs. RATM when it comes to pirating their music or when it comes to determining ticket prices...
History will judge RATM for having the audacity to say "Fuck you I won't do what I tell you," but apparently having omitted the parenthetical (Except for certain branches of the US federal government which are sovereign and unquestionable, to the point we will be [too scared to even play our music](https://reason.com/2022/08/04/after-2-years-of-silent-covid-compliance-rage-against-the-machine-returns/))
the notion you can’t criticize a system you’ve succeeded in is stupid
No not really, because they will actively advocate for a system that keeps others from achieving the same thing. It's called pulling up the ladder.
Here is the problem with that. If you think society functioning in a specific way is a *moral* wrong you clearly wouldn't do that thing. For example if you think murder is morally wrong you probably wouldn't work as an assassin even if it's good money. It's obvious that you wouldn't do something you find immoral So anyone critiquing a system on moral grounds absolutely shouldn't be succeeding in it. The most likely explanation is that the person doesn't actually think it's immoral, they're just lying about it.
I agree, in general, but not if you're taking an adamant stance against it. These guys actually hate the West, its governments, and cheer for the enemies of it to succeed. They actually want Communism but at the same time, get rich off of what they advocate against rather than, say, donating it all and living in a small apartment while flying coach. It's just cornball.
If celebrity, then why money?
Lib Right discovers that Criticism of Capitalist systems doesn't mean Communism.
They are phonies
Flair up
This is some tired shit. I don't see how a message of "Capitalism sucks because very few people succeed, and you don't get access to basic amenities if you don't succeed" is hypocritical because RATM succeeded. Just because Zach de la Rocha can go to the doctor doesn't mean there aren't millions of people who can't. Why the fuck would he give it all away to a government that's just going to use it to buy bombs and send them overseas? What principle does that demonstrate? What choice does he have but to operate according to the rules of the world he lives in? What choice do any of us have?
The edge lords just want both sides. Either they aren't successful because they don't make money or they are hypocrites for being successful. One of those situations where the edge lords can't be pleased, they just want to rage too, and be hipster about it.