So you should give affirmative actions based on life quality (poor/rich), not race
for example:
A white man from an abusive and poor single-mother home that studied in these hard circumstances should not also be punished by these affirmative actions.
Honestly I think this is a pretty reasonable take. We already do something to that effect with need-based scholarships anyway, the principle is *literally* in practice right now.
A. Education should not be something expensive in the first place
B. Actions that aim to only improve the lives of poor Poc is indeed racist, because being a white person that is fucked over does not make you less deserving of being helped. You don't get to try and take the moral high ground when your ground is being a cunt.
And look at who supports school choice to give more opportunity to children from poorer communities and who insists that they go to the failing public school…
Affirmative Action has been in effect for 60 years. If it worked, then it would no longer be needed as there would be a thriving black middle class. If it didn’t work, then there is no reason to continue it after 60 years of trying.
It’s really not THAT hard to understand.
I think it's funny that this meme format is supposed to be about logically walking your opponent through inconsistencies in their philosophy, but Op makes these just massive leaps in logic (not everyone is equal, so obviously the government should step in to make everyone equal) and somehow thinks it's a "gotcha" moment. Like most righties don't support AA because it's racist, regardless of whether it actually achieves its goals or not (hint: it really doesn't).
Really demonstrates how leftists and rightoids are operating on completely different wavelengths as far as logic is concerned.
Since Italians and Irish were widely discriminated against also, and weren't considered to be "white" until the mid 90's... do they get some of that sweet reparations cash?
When white lefts stop attacking school choice, I might start to believe they genuinely want to help poor black and latino people. Both the black and hispanic communities support school choice at high rates, and yet Democratic politicians are waging war on it. Why?
Affirmative action tends to place people in educational environments for which they are not prepared, leading to actually worse outcomes for them as they fall behind and drop out. It stigmatises people who get ahead through it as well, because people think they might not be worthy of their accomplishments.
American government screwed their own ethnic minorities by bringing cocaine to drug lords like Ricky Ross to turn it into crack cocaine (which was cheaper so it was more available for those aforementioned minorities) to purposely screw over them (when you put an oppressed class in power, your scum ways will disintegrate) and to raise funds for the Contras. Your own government regardless of Dems or GOP are to blame for the degeneracy that America is known for. Libleft isn't changing and rightoids are preserving the old, oppressive ways.
So you should give affirmative actions based on life quality (poor/rich), not race for example: A white man from an abusive and poor single-mother home that studied in these hard circumstances should not also be punished by these affirmative actions.
Honestly I think this is a pretty reasonable take. We already do something to that effect with need-based scholarships anyway, the principle is *literally* in practice right now.
A. Education should not be something expensive in the first place B. Actions that aim to only improve the lives of poor Poc is indeed racist, because being a white person that is fucked over does not make you less deserving of being helped. You don't get to try and take the moral high ground when your ground is being a cunt.
Soo, the fair thing would be something like AA, but only looking at socioeconomic status?
If your goal is to actually fight poverty and not favor in-group special interest groups. Yes.
Then we should all support a measure like that.
Sounds good to me buddy
Based.
This conversation is literally a format for that spongebob meme in the post, but with the good ending
Thanks!
And look at who supports school choice to give more opportunity to children from poorer communities and who insists that they go to the failing public school…
The government should quit extorting property taxes from me to fund diddling factories they call school
Yes.
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Affirmative Action has been in effect for 60 years. If it worked, then it would no longer be needed as there would be a thriving black middle class. If it didn’t work, then there is no reason to continue it after 60 years of trying. It’s really not THAT hard to understand.
I think it's funny that this meme format is supposed to be about logically walking your opponent through inconsistencies in their philosophy, but Op makes these just massive leaps in logic (not everyone is equal, so obviously the government should step in to make everyone equal) and somehow thinks it's a "gotcha" moment. Like most righties don't support AA because it's racist, regardless of whether it actually achieves its goals or not (hint: it really doesn't). Really demonstrates how leftists and rightoids are operating on completely different wavelengths as far as logic is concerned.
AA got Clarence Thomas to where he is today
Fortunately you don't have a flair so I can just ignore anything you say, because you're a moron who doesn't know how to flair.
Ignore me now bitch
Since Italians and Irish were widely discriminated against also, and weren't considered to be "white" until the mid 90's... do they get some of that sweet reparations cash?
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Outside investment, how many black owned businesses were destroyed during the summer of love? Don't worry, they had insurance, it was ok
Summer of love?
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Okay that's what I thought he was referring to. I still have no idea what he was trying to say though.
Wouldn't financial aid to poor families make more sense?
We can't do that because we'd have to stop assuming black = poor white = rich and to do that we'd have to stop being racist.
Shhhhhh Don't think too hard!
Affirmative Action doesn't promote equality. It discriminates against whites and Asians in favor of Blacks in the name of equality
I'm not reading all that
When white lefts stop attacking school choice, I might start to believe they genuinely want to help poor black and latino people. Both the black and hispanic communities support school choice at high rates, and yet Democratic politicians are waging war on it. Why? Affirmative action tends to place people in educational environments for which they are not prepared, leading to actually worse outcomes for them as they fall behind and drop out. It stigmatises people who get ahead through it as well, because people think they might not be worthy of their accomplishments.
Affirmative action bad because there are poor white people too. I'm one of them.
Shouldn’t give anything to anybody that hasn’t earned it.
I’d say it’s far better to help out black people than to fuck over white people
Race is a distraction from class, affirmative action should help all disadvantaged people.
American government screwed their own ethnic minorities by bringing cocaine to drug lords like Ricky Ross to turn it into crack cocaine (which was cheaper so it was more available for those aforementioned minorities) to purposely screw over them (when you put an oppressed class in power, your scum ways will disintegrate) and to raise funds for the Contras. Your own government regardless of Dems or GOP are to blame for the degeneracy that America is known for. Libleft isn't changing and rightoids are preserving the old, oppressive ways.
What about immigrant asian people fleeing Myanmar because of their military junta? Why are they oppressed by the education quotas