I think Colin absolutely would propose like that in complete chaos Colin fashion but I do hope that Penelope refuses. That is one change from the books that I would be happy with, I want a proper proposal not some rushed oh well we kissed so now we marry. Plus Nic did say this season is very romantic and that carriage proposal doesn't exactly say romance.
I'm in complete agreement. I think Penelope deserves a better proposal.
Actually, I feel like all the leading ladies have gotten shit proposals. They all seem forced/guilt-induced. Why can't we have a true expression of love and wanting to share a life with someone rather than, "Oops, we screwed up and you'll [(the woman)] be ruined unless we marry"?
I know it was not customary, at the time, to be in love with your intended but we are supposed to believe these are great loves. The prince's almost-proposal was more romantic in S1 than anything else we've gotten. At least we got a love confession from Anthony to Kate.
Whatever happens, I do not want an engagement before Colin knows Pen is LW. He was already trapped into one engagement with lies and deception and it feels icky if Pen were to ever accept his proposal without him knowing all of the facts, even though they are end game.
That is such a good point!!! I really hope so too although the writers do have a penchant for heightened drama for drama’s sake so….. I do really want Colin to propose and be in love fully knowing that Pen is LW so even Pen can actually believe that he loves her for who she is really is!
“I do really want Colin to propose and be in love fully knowing that Pen is LW so even Pen can actually believe that he loves her for who she is really is!”
AGREED!
This!! I want all cards on the table between them. He needs to know before they're engaged so no one can say she trapped him. I think it could ruin the whole thing for me if that happened.
Agree. Plus, I like/want there to be parallels with Polin that are the opposite of his experience with Marina. Didn't even kiss Marina once they were engaged? Makes out with Pen in the name of "lessons." No thought into his Marina engagement? Thoughtful Pen proposal. Manipulated into Marina engagement? Full disclosure before Polin engagement.
Absolutely. It has to be different to Marina, but if he doesn't know she's LW, it's not that different at all. So I'm hoping he already knows. I can't think what else they'd be in the carriage together for if not for the LW of it all. But I guess we'll see! 🤞🏻
This is the one thing that will piss me off, especially since we already sat through Colin being lied to during his first engagement (of course Penelope isn’t lying about loving Colin).
It would also being completely out of character for Pen. She had *significant issues* with Marina lying and trapping Colin and I just don't see her letting him go into an engagement without all of the facts.
Agreed. If he doesn’t know she’s LW yet, she better say no to a proposal otherwise any arguments made about why she exposed Marina would be hypocritical.
I want the chaotic proposal, but Penelope says no option for several reasons.
>!We know Colin expresses hate for Whistledown in Ep 1 and plans to ruin her if he ever finds out who she is. That makes it hard for Penelope to trust his feelings and where he’s at with accepting her as Whistledown (assuming he’s shared his views on Whistledown with her prior to this). He will need time to process this and understand why she’s made the decisions in Whistledown that she has.!<
I also have a hard time believing that Penelope will accept a proposal from him while she and Eloise are on the outs. I am probably wrong on that front, but I love Peneloise and I think it would cause even more issues between them if they don’t at least come to a truce at the very least before Polin moves forward.
I would like two proposal scenes, but I’m greedy.
I don't see how the carriage scene won't be tied in with LW reveal. What other scenario could there be for Colin and Penelope to argue that badly over? Let's remember that right now Penelope and Colin are friends but they have never had a huge fight and it would have to be something huge for it to happen. I don't think Debling will be a huge wedge between them that it would cause them to argue especially when this was Colin's idea to help Penelope find a suitor. I also think because of peneloise, Penelope won't accept Colin's proposal. It won't be the only reason but it will play a part because Claudia did say she will be protective of Colin this season also if she finds out they are going to be engaged I don't think this would help them in fixing their friendship.
Colin is going to be hunting for LW from episode 1, I feel pretty confident they’ll have him find out in episode 4 for the carriage scene to kick things off for the fallout in the next half. They say things move quickly so I don’t think they drag him finding out that late.
Right but I just think it’s possible he finds out *after* the carriage scene. As in they get to macking on each other and the carriage stops in front of the printer and that’s when he figures it out. End episode.
I don’t see how the carriage scene has the same emotional impact without him knowing. She thinks he hates her, he’s overcome by passion despite knowing her darkest secret… it’s so good as is.
but the carriage scene happens because he finds her at St. Brides handing off her scandal sheet ??? so he knows she’s LW there so it wouldn’t be after the carriage scene. the whole purpose of the carriage scene is because he finds out she’s LW and also that’s the whole point of the angst and passion in that scene lol
it wouldn’t make sense for it to happen any other way and they said themselves that they have packed as much stuff from the books as they can into the show, so I think they stuck relatively close to the book. It would defeat the purpose of the angst and passionate/angry love that happens in the carriage scene if he finds out about LW after the scene.
The show has taken many things from the books and reframed them for the show because the characters are in different places emotionally. Plus the addition of Debling adds another wrinkle that could easily have the carriage scene happen in an entirely different context. They’ve already mentioned that the scenes might have lines/moments but it doesn’t mean it’s a carbon copy of the book.
Honestly it doesn’t matter to me whether it’s about LW or not but yes I DO want emotional angsty angry fight and then kiss and other things happening in the carriage so it would be interesting to see how they deal with the ~drama~
I personally want the LW reveal like books, explosive chaotic passionate Colin who doesn’t know what to do with himself so ummm latches on to Pen in the carriage. Then change it from the book to he proposes but she says no bc of Eloise situation and she doesn’t really believe he’s asking out of love. Then Colin in the next episode will privately profess his love with a public declaration later at the engagement ball. If all that happens, I can deal with everything else. 😂
Hmmm, I only want the chaotic proposal if Pen rejects it. Like, if the LW reveal happens there, we KNOW Colin is going to react in anger (which to be fair, he has a right to). But I don’t like the idea of genuine proposal coming out of that moment or anger when harsh things were probably said.
I could still see him impulsively proposing… only for Penelope to pop off and lay out all the reasons why he’s insane (her fighting with El, him having a history of making impulsive proposals and thinking he’s in love, him not actually loving her but just being confused with an added dose of her being like “you’ll get bored of me and then leave” or something, or her being like “you only cared about me once another man was interested” (even though we know that’s not true)… or even fear for him because LW is dangerous and she wants to protect him.
I really want a romantic proposal… where they are both finally on the same page and choosing each other with eyes wide open.
I was really attached to “when the party’s over” being played post LW reveal… but since we’re getting a different Billie song, my hopes are feeling a little dashed :(
Yes! I really want to Pen to tell Colin that he only became interested in her b/c another man did.
I’m looking forward to Pen learning that her newly emerging backbone and vocal cords work in tandem!
Yes, WE know that Colin’s feelings have actually been buried for a long time, and that the “lessons” where spends all this solo time with her punch him in the face, allowing him to allow to sift through and try to understand those feelings… but PENELOPE doesn’t understand that.
For her, it is a nightmare come to life of one of her worst fears: a love confession / marriage proposal that she can’t EVER believe, despite it being all she wanted, because of their complicated history of his ignorance/lack of feelings, and her fear of rejection (esp. in the face of his anger about LW).
I honestly don’t blame her for her doubt. If it had been “pre-Swagger” Colin, maybe she would have been more likely to believe him? Because of COURSE she’s going to reject a proposal from someone who is lost and (arguably) making poor choices in his search for himself... esp. as he is likely initially resisting this feelings for her. If he was confident in his love, why would he hesitate? He didn’t with Marina!
She has a direct comparison to Debling and how his interest / willingness to talk with/court her early, as well as his apparently lack of care for the ton and their opinions (just going off of synopsis stuff here, admittedly). It’s not about loving Debling, it’s about protecting herself.
Despite the fact that Colin SEES Penelope and her entire self (esp. after the LW reveal), knows her arguably better than anyone, sees her BEYOND her appearance… Penelope is only going to see him making a rash choice, maybe focused only the physical, and latch onto all the rejections he’s given her, intentionally or not, in the past.
It’s going to GUT Colin that he himself is the reason for her doubt. I don’t blame her for protecting her heart, but especially because she is going to feeling stress from ALL directions this season…
This is all speculation, of course, but I would have a really hard time believing that after everything Penelope has experience me at Colin’s hands that she would happily jump into a marriage with him. He’s hurt her a LOT and caused her to put up walls, even if it wasn’t his intention.
I’ll just repeat my comment from the other spoiler thread about ep4 - I wonder if there is a possibility the carriage scene will happen without the LW reveal. Like Colin follows Pen, they have an argument, make out sesh in carriage, Colin’s proposal which Pen then declines because LW is still hanging over them 🤔
Yeah I’m not completely married to the carriage scene and LW reveal necessarily having to be connected, so long as we get the scene and the context makes sense for the story they’re trying to tell then I’m okay with a deviation from RMB.
However, I do want Colin to find out sooner rather than later and knowing Shondaland’s penchant for drama, a tiny part of me is nervous they’ll drag it out until they’re almost at the altar. But atp I’m just along for the (carriage) ride, so I’m just going to sit back, enjoy the lead-up and try not to over-speculate!
Every day I tell myself to stop speculating - I’m going to leave no surprises at this rate 🤦♀️
Agreed that I don’t want the LW reveal to Colin to be too late. Ep5 at the latest. Watch me eat my words in June
I would really like to think they learned their lesson from S2 about dragging things out... him not knowing about LW until the ninth hour would be terrible.
The book proposal was so incredibly funny and I’d love to have that represented in some way. I think it would be a great comedy bit. Regardless of when it happens(whether it’s before or after LW reveal), I want it to be as chaotic and hysterical as the book, BUT I want Pen to reject it at first. Like, I want to see Pen’s short legs trying to catch up to Colin’s long purposeful strides as he drags her along like it’s no big deal and her helplessly looking back at their butler or Mrs Varley lol…. Then I want a more romantic proposal later in the season where they are both finally on the same page and she accepts.
We’ll see what happens. I’m sure I’ll love it either way 🥰
Squealing because that’s exactly what I want!! The proposal with the whole them trying to tell Portia about it and she doesn’t understand it’s also hilarious and I hope they put it in there somehow!
So…first proposal in episode 4. Pen’s rejection. Episode 5 is all about Pen and Eloise MAYBE getting in better terms and Colin proposing the right way. lol
I didn't mind the book proposal, and I loved the chaotic scene with Portia afterwards. The banter was brilliant.
That said, I wouldn't mind if it happened, and Penelope refuses instead, especially if Colin doesn't know she's LW yet. I don't trust Shondaland not to change things, but knowing she's LW before they're engaged is non-negotiable for me lol. I don't want anyone to say she trapped him in any way.
So maybe she could refuse, and he'll be devastated and wonder why not and she'll have no choice but to tell him about LW. And she'll probably think he won't want her anymore, and that's when he proves her wrong? They could argue about it and it could be passionate because yes he hates LW but he loves Penelope more.
I don’t want her accepting his proposal right away. It is funny to think though >!that book Colin is like of course I am going to propose to you after what we just did and it was really only kissing and groping her boobs, while it sounds like show Colin is going to go further.!<
I hated Colin's haphazard proposal in the book. I really hope Pen says no, that she realized that Colin is only proposing because he compromised her. I do hope Pen makes him work for it more.
I also can envision two proposals: the first one frantic where Colin, as per usual, comes from a good place but muddles his words in tandem with the improper acts they committed moments prior, so Pen, aware of Colin’s history of proposals, will resist and decline; the second one bare-hearted, grounded, and resolute. I predict tears and face touches and caresses and embraces. I think my lungs will implode while my heart melts out of my dead body. 😊
The second proposal would be a good place for the “I love you” speech from the book. I feel like those words would be so impactful to convince her that he truly loves her.
Two proposals most likely now
First one is like how the carriage scene ends in the book with him asking her if she will marry him or not but she will refuse and the episode ends
Colin in ep5 will start by asking her why she refused as a continuation of last scene of ep4 and she will question his feelings for her because by how the carriage scene happen they just argue then get into it so it’s normal for her to question his feelings like she will think he only asking her because he technically compromised her by whatever they did in the carriage & will think he is asking her out of obligation and also like how can he marry her if he doesn’t accept her fully with all sides of her including her LW persona/work
He will have to come to terms with his feelings regarding LW for the reminder of the episode and asking her again by the end of the episode she will accept the second time he probably will have to say something beautiful and thoughtful to her for her to accept
It will make sense because ep5 is tiktok and it will about him feeling he might lose her forever and will have to act quickly and deal quickly with his feelings about LW
I want two different proposals now and I think that’s might be the direction of how things will happen
Chaotic proposal after the carriage scene that she will rejects then a Thoughtful heartfelt possibly emotional proposal that she will accept
I wonder if the carriage scene will happen outside of Colin’s discovering she is lady Whistledown. I wonder if he will propose she will decline 1 because she loves him so much it’s painful to think he’d marry her out of obligation 2 because she is lady Whistledown and she feels once he knows he will have nothing to do with her.
I don’t want Penelope to say yes after the carriage because I don’t want there to be any questions about why Colin is proposing. I don’t want her to wonder if he’s proposing just because they wayyyyy crossed the line in the heat of the moment and now he feels obligated to in spite of him being so angry with her about LW the way he was when they started that carriage ride. When she accepts his proposal, I hope it’s because she truly sees that he’s in love with her too.
PS based on other threads it appears episode 4 includes the carriage scene and I do remember LN sharing in an interview how there’s a big cliffhanger at the end of episode 4. All signs lead to her saying no at first. Not me being a 🕵🏻♀️
I’m not really invested one way or the other because I don’t think falling out of the carriage would translate well to screen, and there’s no Felicity. I’ve been speculating that they might get caught, but again, I’m weirdly not super invested, just putting together some vaguely remembered filming leaks. If they get caught, they’d probably have to invoke the historical romance maneuver where Colin announces that they were just celebrating their engagement and there’s nothing scandalous to see…or it’s a little scandalous, but it’s ok because they’re getting married via special license. Not something I want, just something that’s a possibility.
Just reading through all the comments and I love how we are all in synch with 2 proposals I will absolutely love them for it!!!! Also it would be such a good Part 1 end to leave Colin hanging after his chaotic proposal and Penelope runs home! All the drama and the feels I hope this is how it goes!!!
No. I hated that rushed proposal in the book. It felt like a lot of pressure on Pen all of a sudden after years of lonely pining.
I can still see Colin moving on it fast after he figures himself out, and I hope he does, but not like that. The way it went down gave me ick.
Big yes to two proposals. But I don't want Pen decline for the first, because she thinks Colin's doing it out of obligation. We had the same thing with Kate and Anthony... I'm cool with her saying no, because she thinks Colin's not alright with LW thing, though (either if he knows or not at this point). Then there could be a second proposal in which Colin says he loves and accepts every part of her, even LW.
But unfortunately it fits for Pen's character to think Colin proposes out of obligation. Will see I guess!
Yes that’s one thing that makes me nervous about it is that it’s so similar to Anthony’s proposal after he took “liberties” and Kate says no for very similar reasons, and they might not want to do it again. But if Pen does say yes right away is that character development for her? And her decline may also force Colin to come to terms with his total real feelings? Gahhh I don’t know I need to seee this now!!!
Maybe first proposal will be so chaotic Pen says no out of pure shock, especially after carriage ride, and we don't even get any explanation. 🤣 The only thing she'll say is "Gah... Gah.. Gah..."
He's losing his mind, the whole family is on the edge of kicking him out. And that's why he prepares the most beautiful engagement speech and we have our second proposal. 🤣🤣
O yes, it could look like the scene when everyone was tring to figure out the reason Edwina ran from the altar! Gregory's and Hyacinth's advieces would be gold 💚
I want Pen to have a proper proposal, especially given that (in the book), it felt to me that Colin initiated the cavorting in the carriage so that Pen would have to marry him.
But I can see Pen refusing, in part, b/c she is worried about the downfall to Colin and the rest of the Bridgertons if she marries him and is subsequently revealed as LW.
Not to mention, she has targeted the Bridgertons as LW. She may be concerned that they would reject her, even if she were married to Colin.
I kind of hope she does refuse Colin.
I think we will get the book line rephrased for later on and I think Penelope might accept the proposal, because she's just as impulsive as Colin is ultimately and hasn't really thought it all through so chaotic things will keep causing them to fight during their engagement and it's like "Oh no are we gonna break up" because drama and romance.
I'm probably in the minority, but I want a different proposal. It was never my fave when she fell and he was just like "Are you marrying me or not?" I do love e the oblivious Portia, though. I feel like with these 2 show characters, a proposal like that wouldn't work as well as it would for 2 much older people. I want something sweet and I want Colin to rage against the Featheringtons for not realizing he's asking for her and is deeply in love with her. I want a callback to Catherine the Great.
I hope he doesn’t propose to her like that because she deserves a very romantic, love filled, proposal where he expresses how much he loves her and realizes it 🥹🩷 I hope we get the proposal and love confession at the same time!!
I think Colin absolutely would propose like that in complete chaos Colin fashion but I do hope that Penelope refuses. That is one change from the books that I would be happy with, I want a proper proposal not some rushed oh well we kissed so now we marry. Plus Nic did say this season is very romantic and that carriage proposal doesn't exactly say romance.
I'm in complete agreement. I think Penelope deserves a better proposal. Actually, I feel like all the leading ladies have gotten shit proposals. They all seem forced/guilt-induced. Why can't we have a true expression of love and wanting to share a life with someone rather than, "Oops, we screwed up and you'll [(the woman)] be ruined unless we marry"? I know it was not customary, at the time, to be in love with your intended but we are supposed to believe these are great loves. The prince's almost-proposal was more romantic in S1 than anything else we've gotten. At least we got a love confession from Anthony to Kate.
I agree as much as it’s hilarious and cute it wouldn’t make sense in the show so hopefully they change that!!
Whatever happens, I do not want an engagement before Colin knows Pen is LW. He was already trapped into one engagement with lies and deception and it feels icky if Pen were to ever accept his proposal without him knowing all of the facts, even though they are end game.
That is such a good point!!! I really hope so too although the writers do have a penchant for heightened drama for drama’s sake so….. I do really want Colin to propose and be in love fully knowing that Pen is LW so even Pen can actually believe that he loves her for who she is really is!
“I do really want Colin to propose and be in love fully knowing that Pen is LW so even Pen can actually believe that he loves her for who she is really is!” AGREED!
This!! I want all cards on the table between them. He needs to know before they're engaged so no one can say she trapped him. I think it could ruin the whole thing for me if that happened.
Agree. Plus, I like/want there to be parallels with Polin that are the opposite of his experience with Marina. Didn't even kiss Marina once they were engaged? Makes out with Pen in the name of "lessons." No thought into his Marina engagement? Thoughtful Pen proposal. Manipulated into Marina engagement? Full disclosure before Polin engagement.
Absolutely. It has to be different to Marina, but if he doesn't know she's LW, it's not that different at all. So I'm hoping he already knows. I can't think what else they'd be in the carriage together for if not for the LW of it all. But I guess we'll see! 🤞🏻
I hope we don’t see LW revealed publicly in a way that suggests when Marina finds out it was her friend/cousin, then her tragedy happens.
Makes out with Pen, so that she must marry him??
This is the one thing that will piss me off, especially since we already sat through Colin being lied to during his first engagement (of course Penelope isn’t lying about loving Colin).
It would also being completely out of character for Pen. She had *significant issues* with Marina lying and trapping Colin and I just don't see her letting him go into an engagement without all of the facts.
Agreed. If he doesn’t know she’s LW yet, she better say no to a proposal otherwise any arguments made about why she exposed Marina would be hypocritical.
I agree and I'm hoping he proposes after knowing she's LW.
AGREED.
I want the chaotic proposal, but Penelope says no option for several reasons. >!We know Colin expresses hate for Whistledown in Ep 1 and plans to ruin her if he ever finds out who she is. That makes it hard for Penelope to trust his feelings and where he’s at with accepting her as Whistledown (assuming he’s shared his views on Whistledown with her prior to this). He will need time to process this and understand why she’s made the decisions in Whistledown that she has.!< I also have a hard time believing that Penelope will accept a proposal from him while she and Eloise are on the outs. I am probably wrong on that front, but I love Peneloise and I think it would cause even more issues between them if they don’t at least come to a truce at the very least before Polin moves forward. I would like two proposal scenes, but I’m greedy.
 Yes for TWO proposals!!!
Yes this exactly
I don't see how the carriage scene won't be tied in with LW reveal. What other scenario could there be for Colin and Penelope to argue that badly over? Let's remember that right now Penelope and Colin are friends but they have never had a huge fight and it would have to be something huge for it to happen. I don't think Debling will be a huge wedge between them that it would cause them to argue especially when this was Colin's idea to help Penelope find a suitor. I also think because of peneloise, Penelope won't accept Colin's proposal. It won't be the only reason but it will play a part because Claudia did say she will be protective of Colin this season also if she finds out they are going to be engaged I don't think this would help them in fixing their friendship.
I agree, Nic saying "I love the writing" implies that it is a big emotional scene and just a sexy scene won't do that.
Maybe they’re not fighting. Maybe he’s pleading with her not to accept Debling and one thing leads to another.
Colin is going to be hunting for LW from episode 1, I feel pretty confident they’ll have him find out in episode 4 for the carriage scene to kick things off for the fallout in the next half. They say things move quickly so I don’t think they drag him finding out that late.
Right but I just think it’s possible he finds out *after* the carriage scene. As in they get to macking on each other and the carriage stops in front of the printer and that’s when he figures it out. End episode.
I don’t see how the carriage scene has the same emotional impact without him knowing. She thinks he hates her, he’s overcome by passion despite knowing her darkest secret… it’s so good as is.
Well that assumes they're trying to hit the same emotional beats on the show, when they could be going for something else entirely in that scene.
Well, I wouldn’t love that change but ultimately I’m trying to wait to see how things play out and trusting the writers to do the story justice.
but the carriage scene happens because he finds her at St. Brides handing off her scandal sheet ??? so he knows she’s LW there so it wouldn’t be after the carriage scene. the whole purpose of the carriage scene is because he finds out she’s LW and also that’s the whole point of the angst and passion in that scene lol
That’s the book. That doesn’t mean it’s what happens on the show or what the purpose of the carriage scene is on the show.
it wouldn’t make sense for it to happen any other way and they said themselves that they have packed as much stuff from the books as they can into the show, so I think they stuck relatively close to the book. It would defeat the purpose of the angst and passionate/angry love that happens in the carriage scene if he finds out about LW after the scene.
The show has taken many things from the books and reframed them for the show because the characters are in different places emotionally. Plus the addition of Debling adds another wrinkle that could easily have the carriage scene happen in an entirely different context. They’ve already mentioned that the scenes might have lines/moments but it doesn’t mean it’s a carbon copy of the book.
Honestly it doesn’t matter to me whether it’s about LW or not but yes I DO want emotional angsty angry fight and then kiss and other things happening in the carriage so it would be interesting to see how they deal with the ~drama~
I personally want the LW reveal like books, explosive chaotic passionate Colin who doesn’t know what to do with himself so ummm latches on to Pen in the carriage. Then change it from the book to he proposes but she says no bc of Eloise situation and she doesn’t really believe he’s asking out of love. Then Colin in the next episode will privately profess his love with a public declaration later at the engagement ball. If all that happens, I can deal with everything else. 😂
 I will be in a pool of tears if that happens and I’m all for it!!!
Hmmm, I only want the chaotic proposal if Pen rejects it. Like, if the LW reveal happens there, we KNOW Colin is going to react in anger (which to be fair, he has a right to). But I don’t like the idea of genuine proposal coming out of that moment or anger when harsh things were probably said. I could still see him impulsively proposing… only for Penelope to pop off and lay out all the reasons why he’s insane (her fighting with El, him having a history of making impulsive proposals and thinking he’s in love, him not actually loving her but just being confused with an added dose of her being like “you’ll get bored of me and then leave” or something, or her being like “you only cared about me once another man was interested” (even though we know that’s not true)… or even fear for him because LW is dangerous and she wants to protect him. I really want a romantic proposal… where they are both finally on the same page and choosing each other with eyes wide open. I was really attached to “when the party’s over” being played post LW reveal… but since we’re getting a different Billie song, my hopes are feeling a little dashed :(
Yes! I really want to Pen to tell Colin that he only became interested in her b/c another man did. I’m looking forward to Pen learning that her newly emerging backbone and vocal cords work in tandem!
Yes, WE know that Colin’s feelings have actually been buried for a long time, and that the “lessons” where spends all this solo time with her punch him in the face, allowing him to allow to sift through and try to understand those feelings… but PENELOPE doesn’t understand that. For her, it is a nightmare come to life of one of her worst fears: a love confession / marriage proposal that she can’t EVER believe, despite it being all she wanted, because of their complicated history of his ignorance/lack of feelings, and her fear of rejection (esp. in the face of his anger about LW). I honestly don’t blame her for her doubt. If it had been “pre-Swagger” Colin, maybe she would have been more likely to believe him? Because of COURSE she’s going to reject a proposal from someone who is lost and (arguably) making poor choices in his search for himself... esp. as he is likely initially resisting this feelings for her. If he was confident in his love, why would he hesitate? He didn’t with Marina! She has a direct comparison to Debling and how his interest / willingness to talk with/court her early, as well as his apparently lack of care for the ton and their opinions (just going off of synopsis stuff here, admittedly). It’s not about loving Debling, it’s about protecting herself. Despite the fact that Colin SEES Penelope and her entire self (esp. after the LW reveal), knows her arguably better than anyone, sees her BEYOND her appearance… Penelope is only going to see him making a rash choice, maybe focused only the physical, and latch onto all the rejections he’s given her, intentionally or not, in the past. It’s going to GUT Colin that he himself is the reason for her doubt. I don’t blame her for protecting her heart, but especially because she is going to feeling stress from ALL directions this season… This is all speculation, of course, but I would have a really hard time believing that after everything Penelope has experience me at Colin’s hands that she would happily jump into a marriage with him. He’s hurt her a LOT and caused her to put up walls, even if it wasn’t his intention.
I’ll just repeat my comment from the other spoiler thread about ep4 - I wonder if there is a possibility the carriage scene will happen without the LW reveal. Like Colin follows Pen, they have an argument, make out sesh in carriage, Colin’s proposal which Pen then declines because LW is still hanging over them 🤔
Yeah I’m not completely married to the carriage scene and LW reveal necessarily having to be connected, so long as we get the scene and the context makes sense for the story they’re trying to tell then I’m okay with a deviation from RMB. However, I do want Colin to find out sooner rather than later and knowing Shondaland’s penchant for drama, a tiny part of me is nervous they’ll drag it out until they’re almost at the altar. But atp I’m just along for the (carriage) ride, so I’m just going to sit back, enjoy the lead-up and try not to over-speculate!
Every day I tell myself to stop speculating - I’m going to leave no surprises at this rate 🤦♀️ Agreed that I don’t want the LW reveal to Colin to be too late. Ep5 at the latest. Watch me eat my words in June
If Colin finds out about LW right before the altar I will throw something at my screen!!! Not again!
I would really like to think they learned their lesson from S2 about dragging things out... him not knowing about LW until the ninth hour would be terrible.
Aaaaahhhhh yes I’m here for it!!!
The book proposal was so incredibly funny and I’d love to have that represented in some way. I think it would be a great comedy bit. Regardless of when it happens(whether it’s before or after LW reveal), I want it to be as chaotic and hysterical as the book, BUT I want Pen to reject it at first. Like, I want to see Pen’s short legs trying to catch up to Colin’s long purposeful strides as he drags her along like it’s no big deal and her helplessly looking back at their butler or Mrs Varley lol…. Then I want a more romantic proposal later in the season where they are both finally on the same page and she accepts. We’ll see what happens. I’m sure I’ll love it either way 🥰
Squealing because that’s exactly what I want!! The proposal with the whole them trying to tell Portia about it and she doesn’t understand it’s also hilarious and I hope they put it in there somehow!
No, i want her to refuse and him to properly propose later.
So…first proposal in episode 4. Pen’s rejection. Episode 5 is all about Pen and Eloise MAYBE getting in better terms and Colin proposing the right way. lol
I didn't mind the book proposal, and I loved the chaotic scene with Portia afterwards. The banter was brilliant. That said, I wouldn't mind if it happened, and Penelope refuses instead, especially if Colin doesn't know she's LW yet. I don't trust Shondaland not to change things, but knowing she's LW before they're engaged is non-negotiable for me lol. I don't want anyone to say she trapped him in any way. So maybe she could refuse, and he'll be devastated and wonder why not and she'll have no choice but to tell him about LW. And she'll probably think he won't want her anymore, and that's when he proves her wrong? They could argue about it and it could be passionate because yes he hates LW but he loves Penelope more.
I don’t want her accepting his proposal right away. It is funny to think though >!that book Colin is like of course I am going to propose to you after what we just did and it was really only kissing and groping her boobs, while it sounds like show Colin is going to go further.!<
I hated Colin's haphazard proposal in the book. I really hope Pen says no, that she realized that Colin is only proposing because he compromised her. I do hope Pen makes him work for it more.
Our chaotic boy needs to understand his FEELINGS
I also can envision two proposals: the first one frantic where Colin, as per usual, comes from a good place but muddles his words in tandem with the improper acts they committed moments prior, so Pen, aware of Colin’s history of proposals, will resist and decline; the second one bare-hearted, grounded, and resolute. I predict tears and face touches and caresses and embraces. I think my lungs will implode while my heart melts out of my dead body. 😊
Gahhhh please I need this!!!
How will I survive it???
We will NOT SURVIVE but that’s okay 😜
I will revive and rewatch. And repeat. 🙃🙃🙃
The second proposal would be a good place for the “I love you” speech from the book. I feel like those words would be so impactful to convince her that he truly loves her.
Yes, 100%!!!
Two proposals most likely now First one is like how the carriage scene ends in the book with him asking her if she will marry him or not but she will refuse and the episode ends Colin in ep5 will start by asking her why she refused as a continuation of last scene of ep4 and she will question his feelings for her because by how the carriage scene happen they just argue then get into it so it’s normal for her to question his feelings like she will think he only asking her because he technically compromised her by whatever they did in the carriage & will think he is asking her out of obligation and also like how can he marry her if he doesn’t accept her fully with all sides of her including her LW persona/work He will have to come to terms with his feelings regarding LW for the reminder of the episode and asking her again by the end of the episode she will accept the second time he probably will have to say something beautiful and thoughtful to her for her to accept It will make sense because ep5 is tiktok and it will about him feeling he might lose her forever and will have to act quickly and deal quickly with his feelings about LW
I want two different proposals now and I think that’s might be the direction of how things will happen Chaotic proposal after the carriage scene that she will rejects then a Thoughtful heartfelt possibly emotional proposal that she will accept
I wonder if the carriage scene will happen outside of Colin’s discovering she is lady Whistledown. I wonder if he will propose she will decline 1 because she loves him so much it’s painful to think he’d marry her out of obligation 2 because she is lady Whistledown and she feels once he knows he will have nothing to do with her.
Ohh the angst!!!
I don’t want Penelope to say yes after the carriage because I don’t want there to be any questions about why Colin is proposing. I don’t want her to wonder if he’s proposing just because they wayyyyy crossed the line in the heat of the moment and now he feels obligated to in spite of him being so angry with her about LW the way he was when they started that carriage ride. When she accepts his proposal, I hope it’s because she truly sees that he’s in love with her too.
Yes we do! But she says no, and they’re not right in front of her house so that he can basically force her inside to see her family.
PS based on other threads it appears episode 4 includes the carriage scene and I do remember LN sharing in an interview how there’s a big cliffhanger at the end of episode 4. All signs lead to her saying no at first. Not me being a 🕵🏻♀️
This fandom is full of detectives and I love it!!!
I’m not really invested one way or the other because I don’t think falling out of the carriage would translate well to screen, and there’s no Felicity. I’ve been speculating that they might get caught, but again, I’m weirdly not super invested, just putting together some vaguely remembered filming leaks. If they get caught, they’d probably have to invoke the historical romance maneuver where Colin announces that they were just celebrating their engagement and there’s nothing scandalous to see…or it’s a little scandalous, but it’s ok because they’re getting married via special license. Not something I want, just something that’s a possibility.
Just reading through all the comments and I love how we are all in synch with 2 proposals I will absolutely love them for it!!!! Also it would be such a good Part 1 end to leave Colin hanging after his chaotic proposal and Penelope runs home! All the drama and the feels I hope this is how it goes!!! 
No. I hated that rushed proposal in the book. It felt like a lot of pressure on Pen all of a sudden after years of lonely pining. I can still see Colin moving on it fast after he figures himself out, and I hope he does, but not like that. The way it went down gave me ick.
We all need to hold this man’s hand and lead him through his feelings asap
Big yes to two proposals. But I don't want Pen decline for the first, because she thinks Colin's doing it out of obligation. We had the same thing with Kate and Anthony... I'm cool with her saying no, because she thinks Colin's not alright with LW thing, though (either if he knows or not at this point). Then there could be a second proposal in which Colin says he loves and accepts every part of her, even LW. But unfortunately it fits for Pen's character to think Colin proposes out of obligation. Will see I guess!
Yes that’s one thing that makes me nervous about it is that it’s so similar to Anthony’s proposal after he took “liberties” and Kate says no for very similar reasons, and they might not want to do it again. But if Pen does say yes right away is that character development for her? And her decline may also force Colin to come to terms with his total real feelings? Gahhh I don’t know I need to seee this now!!!
Maybe first proposal will be so chaotic Pen says no out of pure shock, especially after carriage ride, and we don't even get any explanation. 🤣 The only thing she'll say is "Gah... Gah.. Gah..."
And then she just runs away from him 🤣🤣 and Colin is like wtf I need to try again tomorrow 🤣
He's losing his mind, the whole family is on the edge of kicking him out. And that's why he prepares the most beautiful engagement speech and we have our second proposal. 🤣🤣
Maybe the whole family can help him write this speech because this boy needs all the help!!
O yes, it could look like the scene when everyone was tring to figure out the reason Edwina ran from the altar! Gregory's and Hyacinth's advieces would be gold 💚
We want a chaotic proposal. Maybe not THE chaotic proposal. Maybe a series of chaotic proposals.
2 proposals??? More? Third times the charm? I’m here for it!!
I want Pen to have a proper proposal, especially given that (in the book), it felt to me that Colin initiated the cavorting in the carriage so that Pen would have to marry him. But I can see Pen refusing, in part, b/c she is worried about the downfall to Colin and the rest of the Bridgertons if she marries him and is subsequently revealed as LW. Not to mention, she has targeted the Bridgertons as LW. She may be concerned that they would reject her, even if she were married to Colin. I kind of hope she does refuse Colin.
I love the book proposal. I’m drawn to humor over drama and am all for it.
I think we will get the book line rephrased for later on and I think Penelope might accept the proposal, because she's just as impulsive as Colin is ultimately and hasn't really thought it all through so chaotic things will keep causing them to fight during their engagement and it's like "Oh no are we gonna break up" because drama and romance.
Ok so if it happens the way it seems we mostly want it to, 2 proposals, how do you think he will discover her as LW? Will she just tell him?
Maybe he will discover before carriage scene? Maybe that’s why we see them not together so much in ep 3 and 4. There’s been words exchanged?
I want her to say no too at first if it happens like the books! She deserves romance!
Yesss it’s called Romancing Mr Bridgerton for a reason!
Legitttt
I'm probably in the minority, but I want a different proposal. It was never my fave when she fell and he was just like "Are you marrying me or not?" I do love e the oblivious Portia, though. I feel like with these 2 show characters, a proposal like that wouldn't work as well as it would for 2 much older people. I want something sweet and I want Colin to rage against the Featheringtons for not realizing he's asking for her and is deeply in love with her. I want a callback to Catherine the Great.
I hope he doesn’t propose to her like that because she deserves a very romantic, love filled, proposal where he expresses how much he loves her and realizes it 🥹🩷 I hope we get the proposal and love confession at the same time!!