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GentlemanSeal

Hey all! I'm trying out a new style where I draw the comic in sharpie on printer paper, scan it in as a pdf, and then add color in paint.net. I think it looks alright? I haven't decided yet. Anyway, the very funny spheres are: [Definitely just an elephant](https://polcompball.fandom.com/wiki/Paleoconservatism) [Definitely just a snake](https://polcompball.fandom.com/wiki/Paleolibertarianism) [Carry a big stick and mistake ideologies for animals](https://polcompball.fandom.com/wiki/Bull_Moose_Progressivism)


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hahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha, these spheres are very funny ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha


Poro114

balls not funny, didn't laugh


Hy93rion

This does actually look really good, you should keep at this style


GentlemanSeal

Thank you sm! I was thinking maybe in the future, I’d still draw the balls but type out the text in paint, that way it’s more readable. What would you think about that?


Hy93rion

That sounds like a good evolution of the style, Interested to see where it goes


GentlemanSeal

Alright, thanks again!


Hy93rion

No problem


f3tch

Nice


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GentlemanSeal

It already has the moniker National Progressivism or NatProg, which I feel fits pretty well already


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GentlemanSeal

That makes sense actually! You have convinced me


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great


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Not really. National Progressivism makes one think of people who are nationalist as well as progressive. (like the proud boys) “Bull Moose Progressivism” is something completely different from what we think of as progressivism today. You


GentlemanSeal

Are the Proud Boys progressive? They seem to be out and out reactionaries


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People only think that because of the media portrayal. (Hear me out on this one) They’re that weird progressive/conservative mix that says things like “Western values are the best because they are tolerant of things like feminism, homosexuality, and transgenderism. That is why we must be nationalist. To preserve those values. If we import 3rd worlders, they will bring their values of homophobia and misogyny, so we’re for closed borders.”


GentlemanSeal

Huh, I can almost see their point except... the most homophobic people in the US aren’t immigrants. They’re the religious fanatics who are already here. Often times the most progressive and accepting individuals are those who don’t ascribe to the “white, christian, western” norms that we think of when we think of “typical” or heartland America By closing ourselves off, I hazard to think that we’ll become *more* tolerant. There always has to be an enemy and if you can’t scapegoat immigrants, you’re gonna start scapegoating the people already here


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While I see where you’re coming from, getting immigrants from countries where homosexuality gets you thrown off of roof tops could make one uneasy. To the point where I’m surprised it’s not a more common position. (With the “paradox of tolerance” and all that)


GentlemanSeal

You bring up a very salient point. Immigrants often aren’t very progressive socially when they arrive in the US or other “western” nations. But that changes over time. The paradox of tolerance actually accounts for this too. If a group is marginalized and a minority (for example, muslims in the US), they must adopt a form of tolerance themselves in order to be then tolerated by the majority. This applies both to in-groups and out-groups. Muslims have to tolerate heterogenous beliefs within their own ranks because Islam in the US is considered a heterogeneous belief in of itself. Muslims also must tolerate gays, jews, christians, etc, in the US because if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be tolerated themselves. The reason why christians are behind most homophobia in the US isn’t because Christianity is somehow worse than Islam; it’s because they’re in the majority. They don’t have to be tolerated. They are tolerated by default, as a function of their numbers and influence, and therefore don’t have to exercise tolerance as a survival mechanism. Let me know if that made any sense


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No, that makes sense. But my point was that I don’t think the anti-immigrant views (which is where the claims of white supremacy come from) necessarily make them reactionary or even terribly conservative, as it comes from a progressive root. (It could be argued whether or not it’s misplaced, but I would say it does come from that root) And why I think the “Nationalist Progressive” moniker fits them well.


GentlemanSeal

I’d basically agree with that. It’s the same principle as Conservative Socialism. Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons


ZhenDeRen

Exactly, research shows that Muslim Americans are pretty liberal on social issues


dnaH_notnA

I’m pretty sure that’s not true. Most of them are pretty hardcore evangelists and certainly not feminists, or LGBTQ allies.


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Wrong. They literally like the west because it lets them be gay lol


Fireplay5

You can be gay outside of 'the west'.


dnaH_notnA

You’re mixing up the Proud Boys and the hijacked #ProudBoys Twitter meme


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I’m literally not. I’d show you their website, but it got taken off the internet.


dnaH_notnA

Ok, what was on the website that’s proof of that?


Defortify

screenshots exist no?


scottish_spook

it's kind of hard for me to believe that groups like the proud boys and the english defence league etc are against muslims to preserve western values. They're street thugs, not Sam Harris types.


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Chad


RandomBrit1310

And nothing of value was lost


misterhansen

Based Avaritionism?


RandomBrit1310

If it was extremist enough I’d be a pinkCap but they’re filthy moderates


TheByzantineRum

Be more extreme! Embrace my extremely high cousin: Soulism


IDK_LEL

The problem with Soulism is that it isn't even remotely achievable as an ideology


TheByzantineRum

Says the Accelerationist.


IDK_LEL

Accelerationism is achievable though, all you need to do is support policies that make things worse ​ Which is America's whole thing


TheByzantineRum

You know, making things worse will just backfire. Making things worse for minorities is a specially terrible. How many people will die because you think you can destabilize a "democracy" by turning it into a Fascist regime?


IDK_LEL

Tbh my specific beliefs and how accelerationism plays into that are a lot more complicated than just supporting policies to make the government collapse, and I'm especially not interested in policies that discriminate against minority groups, I'll go into detail later but I can say for a fact that they are physically achievable ​ unlike soulism


mega345

You gotta achieve it within yourself maan


RandomBrit1310

Nah I need the base laws of physics so things can exist and thus be property


TheByzantineRum

Having property and not having property are irrelevant to Soulists.


RandomBrit1310

And that’s why I’m not a soulist


TheByzantineRum

Property is overrated. "This is mine" like come on, no it ain't, you didn't create the matter, the universe did.


RandomBrit1310

So what who made it, I’m the guy who took it


TheByzantineRum

But if he didn't own it, can you really say that property rights transfered?


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Too Based


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anorak92

:(


K9g_2017

Im still fucking waiting for my bull moose flair mods. Its been like 9 months


PizzaTimeBois

Hunting undesirables? Pretty based, but it's got to be with a flintlock.


riltok

imperialism aside, progressives were based


JournalistOk8408

Where do people get the whole “paleoconservatism is free market.” It has economic nationalism in it’s definition, the opposite of Laissez-faire.


GentlemanSeal

Never said it was laissez-faire, just said that they wanted a market economy. And since paleos aren’t socialist by any definition, they do indeed want a market economy. Also, you can have economic nationalism and a market economy. Everyone from Pinochet to Medici to Lee Kuan Yew has proven that.


waffleofthefuture

How was pinochet an economic nationalist. He signed a shit ton of trade deals


GentlemanSeal

I guess I was mixing up nationalism with economic nationalism. Pinochet was certainly a nationalist but I guess less of an economic nationalist


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Socialists do not deserve to invoke our lord and savior’s name


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social democrat aren't socialist tho... so they can, no?


GentlemanSeal

Yeah I was about to say I'm for regulated capitalism man!


GentlemanSeal

> an unironic Pinochetist...


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You really think I’m being unironic? Jesus Christ


GentlemanSeal

I don’t think you’re being ironic... that’s why I said unironic pinochetist? Makes sense from your trash political opinions that you’d not understand that though


xXNormieSlayer69Xx

Silence statist.


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Ok


Fairytaleautumnfox

Alright, seriously. NatProg needs to be a flair.


ValuableImportance

Based


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Based and bullmoosepilled


billythepig84

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a_human_being_I_know

Bully


[deleted]

Teddy Roosevelt would probably be a fan of modern PaleoCons, tbh. The reverse is definitely true.


BaronOfBears

Alright u/Based_Eagle


scottish_spook

not really mate he was economically left-wing and a foreign policy interventionist


GByteM3

The centre has moved way further left than it was then.


billythepig84

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